GooBingYah

Hey Scott and Quentin,
Just purchased & thanks for the discount.
Thank you both & others in this informative thread as I have learnt a few valuable & time saving tips that I can apply to my business.
I hope this thread keeps going as we can all add to the value of it with what we encounter in the face to face meetings with local business, or what ever method we implement. I have already got value from this thread and hope that we can help each other as well as others yet to discover Scotts helpful attitude as shown here.
Regards
G

10kperday

Scott H Anyone that has read this thread that you created knows that you have done so with a heart of service WITHOUT thought of personal gain.
Your insights have been very helpful and inspiring!
Thank You!

samstephan9

Scotth you have done a great job.

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iSoftware

Interesting. Is this better than just using one of those wordpress plugins that automatically makes a site mobile ready?

scotth

Nice glad your moving forward with mobile design..its for sure some easy money..and nice door opener for up-sales

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iSoftware

Do you work with a lot of clients outside of the US? Just curious if your non-USA clients "get it" more than the USA clients....

scotth

I am only working my local market here in the States.

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msdobe

WillR said
This WSO does look nice, but for myself, I'd much rather pay the extra money and get Quentin's course. There is so much included it's mind boggling, and for me it was an absolute steal!

Thanks, Quentin, for your course and Scott for starting this thread!!
Jenny

scotth

Great Jenny you will love the flexibility you have with this script...you can really come out with custom design for each business.

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Quentin

Hey Jenny

Those sites that WillR mentioned were made by one of my clients using one of my templates which you can pick up in the members area. So of course this is a cheaper alternative but you can do so much more as you know.

Thanks for your great support for my product.

Quentin

mirons

This sounds really exciting! Scott, I went to your site on your signature, I tried to purchase through your "add to cart" button, but it keeps redirecting me to the home page. What can I do to purchase? Thank you for your help. Have a great day!

Take care,
Matt

scotth

clear your cookies and go back and click on the link should be fine.

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WillR

In the interest of transparency, here is a PM I received from Quentin this morning about my posts on this thread. I have nothing to hide as I am sure he doesn't...

And this was my response. I hope YOU all don't mind me trying to help you out for nothing?
Please let me know if I have upset you by doing so.

"Quentin,

First of all, Scott keeps going on and on about starting this thread to 'help' people. That is very questionable in itself. It was only until yesterday that he had two affiliate links stuffed in his signature, one for your course, the other for a mobile redirect service. Oh, and guess what, these happen to be the two products/services he keeps recommending over and over in this thread he started to 'help' people.

After finding the affiliate links I gave Scott a chance to get rid of them and politely reminded him of the Warrior Forum rules twice. He chose to ignore that so I then told admin to do something about it and they did. Only a few hours after being warned he snuck the iframed affiliate link back into his signature. We do not need people like this on the Warrior Forum who clearly have no interest in following the same rules that everyone else does.

In regards to me helping Warriors and giving them information for FREE. Last time I checked this was an Internet Marketing forum designed to help one another - not everything in life is about making money. This thread is not a WSO for you or Scott to try and push your products and affiliate products. If it were you would have paid $40 like everyone else does and it would be listed in the WSO section of this forum.

To have a go at me for offering up my knowledge to other Warriors for free is ridiculous. So it's ok for you and Scott to offer up your teaser knowledge to try and get people interested enough that they will want to buy your course but it's NOT ok for me to tell them everything I know and charge them nothing? How is that?

As for your comment about the graphics I offer, there is plenty of competition out there and I have no problems with that. You will also notice that because I am charging for my CUSTOM graphics I have paid the appropriate fee and put it in the appropriate area of the forum.

Kind Regards,

WILL"

P.S. If you and Scott are truly here to HELP people in this thread, I challenge you to remove your signature from all the posts you have made in this thread. Somehow I don't think that will be happening.

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scotth

Wow some pretty bold statements...When I first started this thread at the end of February I had nothing in my sig file...then I put in a link to TheTeleMarketingForum.com because I felt compelled for people that were struggling with cold calling was a good place for support..I got nothing in monies doing that...Then just recently I did put Q script on my sig. and a link to a redirect company that has been taken off..as far as Q script I have no problem promoting a excellent tool for others to use...I make a commish from it of course..no mystery.

I know my heart is straight.

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10kperday

In the interest of calling BS when I see it WillR you are full of crap.

When I started following this thread, Scotth Had no affiliate link in his signature only excitment that he was making tons of money with Quentins script.

As a matter of fact, I bought Quentins WSO direct from him because ScottH had no link in his signature...

Get your facts straight before throwing someone under the bus as you have clearly done here.

Next time check your self rightous attitude at the door Mate.

WillR

Excuse me but if you read through this thread, especially the last couple of pages, you will see I have done nothing but offer up free and useful information to help people get started with mobile.

In only a few posts I have offered up so much information that Quentin found the need to private message me and have a go at me. I was accused by Quentin of giving away too much information for free and derailing Scott and his thread. Self righteous attitude?

How about we take a look at our post counts/thanks ratio and see who really is helping out people on this forum. I call it as I see it - a lot of people can't handle that especially those who are not playing by the rules. If you break the rules I will have no problem calling you out.

Scott had several affiliate links in his signature promoting the products he has mentioned over and over in this thread and had I not realized and done something about it, they would still be there. The fact he thought he could take them out and then slip it back in without anyone noticing sums up his intentions very clearly.

Your comments about him having nothing in his signature when he started the thread mean nothing to me. This is a common tactic used by people. They will start a thread, wait until it gets active, and then stick the links in their signature.

We have seen it all before.

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scotth

LOL...your paranoid person...this thread has been going on for some time...and your the only one with issues. Yes Willr I am making a killing off my sig...i think i can quit my day job now...lol.

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10kperday

Even when someone calls you out for your crap and proves you were wrong you REFUSE to take accountabilty and apologize.

I give a rats behind how many posts you have Mate or have many times you have been Thanked in a post.

That does not give you permission to throw someone under the bus with your WRONG assumptions.

None of your posts have helped me..not a one.

On the on the hand ScottH has been incredibly helpful and inspiring talking about how he sells mobile websites.

No one wants to learn from someone who does not think they have done any wrong.

If there is any stench coming from this thread it is from your piss poor attitude Mate.

WillR

I'm not going to get into any name calling games with you as it's not an appropriate place to do so and I'm above that. As I said, the only people who get annoyed with hearing the truth are those who have done something wrong or have something to hide.

Need I say more?

End of story. People can make up their own assumptions based on what they read above. I just don't appreciate being PM'ed and told to stop helping people because I am giving away too much information that other people are trying to sell. And I feel other people in this thread have the right to know what these guys intentions really are. If selling more of their stuff had nothing to do with it then they would not have sent me the PM in the first place.

If helping people gives me a piss poor attitude then so be it. But why don't you ask the 4 people who have read this thread and PM'ed me for further help and got it. Ask them how much my attitude stinks... Somehow I don't think you will like the answer.

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10kperday

Did not call you any names Mate.

Just called you out on your BS as what I said it 100% fact and is verifiable.

Another thing that you are wrong about is me not being happy that you were able to help 4 people out on this thread.

I am thrilled you were able to do so...and oh by the way, "telling it like it is" is not justification for "telling it like is is not" and throwing 2 mens reputation under the bus as you clearly have done here in the spirit of "telling it like it is"

Like you,I am done discussing this issue.

Cheers

1fisherman

Time Out Please!

Would like to address a mobile site related issue that came up a while back. That of redirection.

I agree with WillR regarding the issue of javascript not being enabled on some mobile devices. And my problem with the redirection service is, if they go out of business I will have a lot of MAD customers (hopefully thousands).

I can't do this part way for my customers and I can't risk my business and my customer's business on an unknown entity (the redirection service).

Let me be clear. Quentin's WSO is awesome. The teaching style is great. I have learned a lot more from it than I paid.

Scott, your help, advice and openness to share has been top notch. This thread has helped me put the pieces together for what I hope to be a very successful business venture.

Back to the redirection question: With the help of a computer genius, I am working on a PHP script that will use the "useragent" to determine the browser AND determine if javascript is running before it decides whether to direct the user to the regular site or the mobile site.

I am sure that you PHP gurus can get this figured out before me. Here is the twist, look for the browser on the PC. There are only 5 or 6 and the cover 99.5% of all browser usage (hint: ignore the version). If the browser is MSIE, Firefox etc go to the regular site. If not go to the mobile site.

If it can't detect the browser it falls down to the javascript to check screen size.

If all else fails it presents the regular site. Less than 0.5% of the time with any luck.

I hope that makes sense.

Thoughts anyone?

Gregg

ErnieB

I appreciate ALL of the experiences and information shared in this thread, regardless of who was sharing. However, I dont appreciate having to go through over a page of bickering. Lets keep the personal conversation to personal messages as thats what they are for.

So to get things back on track I would like to ask WillR if he has a solution he can share for redirection since the javascipt redirect isnt "the best solution".

I also had a question in regards to images. I actually had bought the wso Will mentioned way before I ever saw this thread. I created a mobile site and it looks great on my ipod touch ( iphone ) but my mobile phone ( non smart phone ) the header image (png) looks like crap, lol. Any suggestions on fixing this problem?

WillR

Agreed.

When you say the image looks like crap what do you mean? The quality of the image or it's getting cropped or what? If it's the quality then it has more to do with the device you are looking at the image on and you can't do much about that. You just need to try and keep your images as simple as possible with no fancy stuff like drop shadows, gradients, etc as they won't render very well on a lot of the older phones. Another reason you want to keep them simple is to keep the file sizes down so they load nice and quickly.

Just keep in mind though that if your images look like crap on your phone then chances are all the images you are looking at on other websites on your phone probably also look like crap.

In regards to the best redirection script, the easiest solution I have come up with is to use the redirection script we have been talking about that determines the width of the screen size, but also add a nonscript code to your page that will display a message to those who don't have javascript enabled. That message will display at the very top of your site and should say something like...
"Your browser does not support Javascript. Click here if you would like to view the mobile version of this website"

I don't think detecting browsers and all that is the best way to do things as the list will constantly need to be updated as more and more devices and browsers are released. This solution is much better for client websites as you can set it up for them once and they will never need to update it again.

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ErnieB

I think my problem has to do with the image being a png with a transparent background. It becomes black and crappy. Im gonna try just making it a jpg with a regular background and see what happens. I think it will work then.

As for the javascript code, I know how to add html links and such but can you share the exact code your using that allows your site to know about their javascipt and choose whether to display that link/message to them or not.

RRigamonti

Thanks for the program, will defiantly use it.

Seo Italia

WillR

Ah yes I didn't see it was a png image. According to the official best practices for mobile websites png images should not be used - it should either be a jpg or gif image. This should get rid of most of the background problem.

Here is the code you need to add above the </head> tag.

You can change 599 to any value you want. This just means any screen with a width less than 599 pixels will be redirected to your mobile website. I find around 500 - 600 works best.

Also make sure you change http://mobilewebsite.com to the actual url of your mobile website you want to redirect users to.

Then place this code right below the <body> tag:

Once again be sure to change http://mobilewebsite.com to the actual url of your mobile optimized website.

You can also go a little extra and style the nonscript message so that it stands out more. If you want to do that then you would instead add something like this before the </head> tag:

Let me know how you go.

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1fisherman

Hey Will,
I see your point. One question. What if javascript is turned off on IE or FireFox? Will the user get a message to go to the mobile version of the site?
I don't know enough about this to understand what will happen.

Gregg

Quentin

Ok Two Questions.

Redirection.

In my course I provide PHP redirection and you can find a few here.

This is probably the most used one Detect Mobile Browsers - Mobile User Agent Detection

Here are some more How to Redirect Mobile Phones and Handhelds to Your Mobile Website*|*StepForth Web Marketing Inc.

I personally use a service and have no problems as I researched the company and they have a good reputation. I also provide alternatives however a professional redirect service in my opinion is what I have chosen.

Another reason we use a service is that they implement a lot of this through their API
Api Kits | Handset Detection

As for phones not reading the script we have not found one yet where the redirect script does not work so this applies to 95% of phones.

If you want to chase after some no name phone that is not redirecting then go for it and let us know your findings.

Graphics

With graphics Ernie I usually make it a little larger than the iphone size which is 350 pixel so I make it about 380 to 400 pixels. Also don't compress it too much.

A PNG can also be PNG 8 or PNG 24 so I would use the later or go JPG.

A non smartphone will always reduce the image quality as it does not have the resolution in the screen to render graphics. Checking the above may improve quality a bit.

Test using this graphic on your mobile and see if it is any better.

http://businessmobilewebsite.com/mobile/header.jpg

Quentin

WillR

See my post just above yours that gives you all the code that will display a message for those people who have javascript turned off.

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ErnieB

Does the "service" based redirection offer analytics that a customer would want that cant be done with google analytics or awstats or similar free stat services? Thats the only thing I'm thinking may make the service desirable but if a free alternative is available that is comparable then I see no point personally. Unless having these analytics is a service that we can market and pass along cost to customer and/or even profit from.

If you dont charge a monthly fee to your client then eventually you will be losing money every month that you dont gain a new customer. I prefer to create a passive income and not have to rely on contstant sales to keep my business in the black.

WillR

You can offer an analytics service to your customers. Just put the Google Analytics code on their main website and you will be able to see how many of the visitors are redirected or click through to the mobile url. You can just send them a screenshot of that every month.

No need for a paid service to do this.

Not sure that many clients would be interested in paying for a service like this though. If you are targeting local businesses then the only thing most of them are going to care about is how much money they are making - most of them wont give a hoot about their analytics because it means nothing to them. They don't want to know why something is bringing them results, they just want to see the results; and results to them is sales.

If you want to setup a residual income then offer them a service that actually adds value to their business like managing their email or sms marketing.

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paulie888

Good to see that you discovered the iframes usage on Weebly mobile websites. If that's the case, I'd avoid using Weebly entirely - it'd be almost as easy just using a Wordpress plug in to create a mobile version of your site.

You have more control over image resolution and file size when using Wordpress or a html site, and I'd stay away from these "website builders" like Weebly as much as I can.

Paul

WillR

Yeah, I never use any of those website builders. I would much rather have control over everything myself. It's so easy to get a nice mobile template designed and coded that you'd be silly not to.

I have one standard template which I just modify to suit the different service providers I approach. They all love it because it looks more like an app than a website.

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scotth

Quentin or anyone know if search results on a smartphone vs on a regular desk top..does Google give preference to a .mobi and or .m?

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Neil B

My understanding is that google does give preference to .mobi and mobile optimised content subject to carrying out some mobile SE optimisation such as mobile sitemap, mobile site submissions etc

WillR

I don't think anyone can say for certain whether or not this is the case... yet. There are simply not enough mobile websites out there and indexed in Google to do any real and conclusive testing on this.

That being said I have no doubt that as more and more websites optimize themselves for mobile viewers, all other things being equal, Google will serve up a mobile site over a regular one.

Googles primary concern has always been to make the end-users experience as quick and easy as possible so serving up content that is optimized for the end-users device only makes sense.

The one thing I can say for certain at the moment is that Google does put a little green phone icon next to those listings in Google mobile that have a mobile optimized version of their website available.

You can see an example in the screenshot attached.

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scotth

I find that real interesting never notice that green phone icon before..What is Google looking at for the icon to show up?

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Neil B

Very well put WillR...It can't hurt to carry out the basic mobile seo just in case ;-)

WillR

Exactly. I think you should do basic SEO on any webpages you put online.

I'm not certain how exactly they determine a website has a mobile version available however I have seen those green phone icons for months now so it isn't just something new.

I saw a recent video from Google themselves, can't remember where it is anymore, but they said it was fine to put the mobile version of your website in a subdomain such as m.mywebsite.com and that they are now advanced enough to know when you have a mobile version and they won't look at it as any kind of duplicate content - they will look at them as separate sites meant for different purposes.

I think they also said it was alright to redirect to a .mobi domain but don't quote me on that. I just follow what the big sites are all doing as Google will have to adjust to them. Most of the big sites like Twitter, Wikipedia, Facebook, ebay, etc all have mobile versions and all have them installed in subdomains or subfolders on the same domain. I think this is probably a better option than putting the mobile site on a separate domain. Keep it all in the one place that way it makes a lot more sense to Google.

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scotth

Here is another question thats been on my mind...I have noticed a few local businesses here are using apps that look like a custom mobile design...they look real nice vs html type mobile site...I was wondering if going the app route with these businesses..any thoughts?

runs on Facebook, iGoogle, Android Apps, embeds, and iPhones, and it brings together everything you do on the web.

I took a look at what it does, and you will see this brings your entire web together in one place, social, blogs, video, products, newsletters. This could be a viable alternative to html mobile sites..

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WillR

I think for a local business just the mobile website is probably a better alternative and a lot easier for them to understand the need for it. As I said earlier, you can design your mobile sites to look more like apps anyway, that's what I do.

I haven't seen the apps you are talking about though.

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Neil B

That sounds really interesting, anything that can pull everything together has to be a good idea...

scotth

I have been talking with Chris Lang a pretty reliable authority on this subject he seems to believe that apps for local businesses is viable market..I want to delve more into this subject as I want to offer whats best for local businesses.

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eyesocialize

I think what WillR has said is the best route for local businesses. Create the mobile site to make it look like an app then if you want to, create a Web app for the business. A Web App does not have to be approved by Iphone or uploaded to the android market. There is a warrior that just came out with a WSO about Web apps. I highly recommend this for you Scott if you are thinking about doing this. Web apps are hottttt Since you don't have to worry about a user base. Iphones and Androids can download it.


Eyesocialize.

philboy uk

With regard to redirects, is it possible to accomplish this through the htaccess file ? Though I seem to remember a problem if the redirect was to a subdomain.

Neil B

Hey scotth I'd be interested to know how you get on with that bud

scotth

With Chris Lang?

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scotth

Here is some compelling information why business owners need to be mobilized....

With the New Year in full swing, so too is the debate about what will be hot and not. To offer my two cents' worth, here's a list of what I predict will be the most significant developments in mobile marketing for 2011 and beyond, all with far reaching implications for retailers and consumers alike.

1. The mobile site will become the new website
Gartner predicts that in three years, more people will access the internet through their mobile phones than through their PCs. More than 50 per cent of consumers are unlikely to return to your site if they have a poor mobile experience, and 40 per cent would go to a competitor’s site instead, according to an October 2009 study of consumers’ mobile web experiences by Equation Research on behalf of Gomez, Inc.
Most retailers are going to be better off focusing on a mobile website first instead of a Smartphone application. A mobile website is well-suited for mobile shopping, is typically less expensive to develop, and can reach more end users with one site than multiple applications.
Gartner estimates that over 85 per cent of handsets shipped globally in 2011 will include a mobile browser. With mobile web traffic having grown 500 per cent in the last two years, according to Google CFO Patrick Pichette, having a mobile site is now a necessity.

2. Shoppers will increasingly favour technology over human interaction
As mobile internet speeds catch up to consumer demand, it will be faster to scan a barcode or check a mobile website for product information than it will be to ask a shop owner. Beyond actually purchasing goods through mobile, studies show that the most popular in-store mobile activities include competitive price shopping, checking inventory, shopping list/basket management, and getting directions to local retailers.

3. Mobile commerce will come of age
Consumers are spending more than five hours a week on the mobile web and companies like Amazon and eBay are generating over $US1 billion in sales through their mobile channels. Reaching customers through traditional channels only is becoming increasingly difficult. Launching a mobile website offers a much higher return on investment than opening a new bricks-and-mortar store with overheads, staff costs and inventory.

4. Mobile coupons will become more relevant
According to an Sterling Commerce and Demandware report released in August 2010, a quarter of shoppers believe that receiving specials and promotions such as coupons would be an important use for their mobile phone when shopping.The future of mobile marketing is all about one-to-one communication and as retailers embrace this more personalised approach, mobile coupons will be viewed less as advertising material and more as a value add to their shopping experience.

5. SMS will go beyond marketing
The use of SMS as a mobile marketing tactic will proliferate further into customer service and customer lifecycle management. This is already evident with companies and organisations using SMS to remind customers in advance of appointments and banks advising customers when they reach their overdraft limits. 2ergo’s clients have also used text messaging to gather instant feedback through SMS surveys, as well as offering self-help menu trees that direct users to the information they need through a few simple SMS Q&As. SMS is often seen as being much less intrusive and more convenient than a phone call.

6. Retailers will capitalise on mobile at every stage of the customer lifecycle
Mobile can be strategically used to acquire new customers, service existing customers, drive repeat business and strengthen customer loyalty. Of course, retail marketers should not think of mobile marketing in a silo. It should be integrated with existing marketing strategies and campaigns.

7. Smartphone apps will enable enhanced location awareness
By the end of 2011, Gartner sees over 75 per cent of devices shipped in mature markets including a GPS, and others using Wi-Fi and cell ID systems to identify location. The widespread use of these location-aware handsets will enable retailers to reap the benefits of tracking and targeting customers based on their locations. More retailers will turn to platform-specific Smartphone apps to deliver enhanced experiences and push marketing communications such as coupons and offers that are based on the customer’s current location and personal preferences.

8. QR codes will make offline marketing mobile
Expect QR (Quick Response) Codes to play a big role in the future of retail, due to the inherent ability to serve up rich content to people on the go. The QR Code is a two-dimensional barcode (readable by QR scanners, mobile phones with cameras and Smartphones) connecting the physical world with digital content. The code can be encoded with a mobile URL, text or any other data or action. QR Codes will increasingly be placed in traditional print advertising, billboards, paper cups, T-shirts, receipts, signs, etc. With the snap of their camera-equipped phone, consumers will connect from an offline medium to a mobile or digital medium such as a mobile site, image or video clip. They can also be encoded to send a coupon or an SMS to your phone.

9. Small retailers will be able to do mobile
Cost-effective “software as a service” mobile marketing tools are coming to market and will bring mobile within reach for the small retailer. Features and programs such as location recognition services, m-commerce and SMS-based couponing will allow small retailers to compete head-to-head with their larger competitors for consumers’ loyalty and wallet.

10. Most effective campaigns will be multi-channel
The word is getting out that multi-channel shoppers tend to purchase more – a factor Adobe Scene 7 Mobile Commerce Survey in April last year revealed. Retailers must engage consumers with consistent, rich experiences across all channels to maintain and grow revenue. For marketers to most effectively discover the key insights into customer behaviour they will need to take into account various elements including web and mobile analytics, customer relationship management, social networks tracking, and e-commerce platforms. So as I get ready to step away from my crystal ball and you look towards the year ahead, if you are to embrace the opportunities that mobile can bring to your overall marketing mix, it is set to be a good year.

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Neil B

With the whole apps idea for local in general really, though I also think the idea of designing mobilised pages that look app-ish is a good idea too

Neil B

EXCELLENT post, great info and right on the button!!!