Mobile Website Design big business in our local market!

sb · 19th May 2011, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by ukescuba

it will be much more useful and easier if they are on the screen long enough so as you got time to pull out your phone and scan them though! lol

although personally if i am watching tv - i dont think i would be bothered unless there is some decent call to action or whats in it to for me bargaining power...

Obviously.

GerryLee · 19th May 2011, 03:00 PM

Hi everyone/Anyone,

GerryLee here...kind of a newbie...but a little less of one every passing day as I study all the different topics, thread, member contributions in the various WF forums...totally awesome!

This thread, in particular, I've read from start to present and I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger on Quentin's script and course, etc. Then I plan on "hittin' the bricks" to promote this thing shortly thereafter.

In preparation though, before I receive the the course, I need a couple questions answered. Again, I've read this thread thoroughly, but would someone mind recapping a couple of things for me:

1) Will a totally new domain have to be registered and hosted for the new mobile site (or) is it just set as a sub-directory under the client's current site?

2) Does the redirect code redirect to a new domain, a new sub-domain, or just a new sub-directory under the current site's domain?

3) Since this is a redirect from the current "traditional" site, does the new mobile ready site benefit from any SEO done for the original site, or are separate SEO efforts required for the mobile site?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out with this...I'm under a little pressure, time-wise to get these questions answered so that I can proceed with my advance work and also respond with accurate answers to questions I've already received from a couple of current clients.

Thanks again, GerryLee

rideotm · 19th May 2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by ukescuba

it will be much more useful and easier if they are on the screen long enough so as you got time to pull out your phone and scan them though! lol

although personally if i am watching tv - i dont think i would be bothered unless there is some decent call to action or whats in it to for me bargaining power...

I agree. We spoke today and I told him essentially the same things. His rationale is, by adding the QR, which will not cost him anymore money, he will create brand awareness and a little buzz by having people say "Did you see the car commercial with that Q something thingy'? (his words) He knows few will scan but more people will be talking about him which is what he ultimately wants

Luke Bishop · 19th May 2011, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by scotth

What happen with your spypig?

Hi Scott, Localseoentrepreneur,

Yeah Local I would say so, my gmail just won't have a bar of it.

Scott, spypig works when its wants too, hah.

Luke Bishop · 19th May 2011, 06:09 PM

Sorry to be pessimistic ...I would say realist.

I think one of my main concerns for the future is what happens if say the redirection company that Quentin uses goes bankrupt and ceasees to exist?

That would be alot of sites to modify, let alone finding another website that offers the same services.

lol

Luke Bishop · 19th May 2011, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by ukescuba

it will be much more useful and easier if they are on the screen long enough so as you got time to pull out your phone and scan them though! lol

although personally if i am watching tv - i dont think i would be bothered unless there is some decent call to action or whats in it to for me bargaining power...

I don't know if you have the iphones "Bump" app?
Basically if both devices have the app it can aquire data from other devices just by "bumping" them together.
Wouldn't it be cool if they had TV's with this software running in the background.
Just say you would like more info on an advert, all you would do is "bump" your phone next to the screen ...Bam! You have the option to visit their site, coupons, buy products & services etc.

sb · 19th May 2011, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Luke Bishop

I don't know if you have the iphones "Bump" app?
Basically if your device has the app it can aquire data from one another device just by "bumping" them together.
Wouldn't it be cool if they had TV's with this software running in the background...
Just say you would like more info on an advert, all you would do is "bump" your phone next to the screen ...Bam! You have the option to visit their site, coupons, buy products & services etc.

Or if I could bump it against my head to increase my IQ. Of course, probably any bump on my head would do that.

danielkanuck · 19th May 2011, 06:48 PM

I'm glad cold calling worked for you. I'm much too shy to do cold calling. I'd rather send them a direct mail piece in an awkward looking box to get their attention. But good stuff tho.

krzysiek · 19th May 2011, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by GerryLee

Hi everyone/Anyone,

GerryLee here...kind of a newbie...but a little less of one every passing day as I study all the different topics, thread, member contributions in the various WF forums...totally awesome!

This thread, in particular, I've read from start to present and I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger on Quentin's script and course, etc. Then I plan on "hittin' the bricks" to promote this thing shortly thereafter.

In preparation though, before I receive the the course, I need a couple questions answered. Again, I've read this thread thoroughly, but would someone mind recapping a couple of things for me:

1) Will a totally new domain have to be registered and hosted for the new mobile site (or) is it just set as a sub-directory under the client's current site?

2) Does the redirect code redirect to a new domain, a new sub-domain, or just a new sub-directory under the current site's domain?

3) Since this is a redirect from the current "traditional" site, does the new mobile ready site benefit from any SEO done for the original site, or are separate SEO efforts required for the mobile site?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out with this...I'm under a little pressure, time-wise to get these questions answered so that I can proceed with my advance work and also respond with accurate answers to questions I've already received from a couple of current clients.

Thanks again, GerryLee

Hi Gerry,

1) You keep the same/existing domain, but you add a sub-domain to it, such as www.m.yoursite.com

2) When a user go to your www.yoursite.com (normal PC version) on their mobile, the script will re-direct them to your mobile website at www.m.yoursite.com

3) I would say that the original site *does* benefit from SEO. If someone is on their mobile and does a search and the main site appears first, they will click it and before they know it are re-directed to the mobile version. So yes, I do think it is good. However, this is assuming that Google does not currently (I don't think they do) put emphasis on which sites are mobile-ready? But in either case, I think it will be good to have the main site pumped up with good SEO.

krzysiek · 19th May 2011, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by danielkanuck

I'm glad cold calling worked for you. I'm much too shy to do cold calling. I'd rather send them a direct mail piece in an awkward looking box to get their attention. But good stuff tho.

Hi Daniel,

You sound a little like me. If you've got the funds, hire a cold caller on oDesk for a few dollars and hour, put them on for a week or so and it probably won't cost you more than $ 100 or so.

I did that, and although I cannot say I had huge success.. I did get one website client (normal website) for $400 which I am done with now and will be having a meeting shortly because they asked me to come in as they are interested in other services (I did not even pitch them for other services).

So really, do the cold calling - get yourself 1 or maybe 2 if possible clients, please them with results and you should have more work from them - if not, ask them kindly for some referrals and you probably won't need to do cold calling again for while!

javarog · 19th May 2011, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by danielkanuck

I'm glad cold calling worked for you. I'm much too shy to do cold calling. I'd rather send them a direct mail piece in an awkward looking box to get their attention. But good stuff tho.

I love cold calling,, in my book its a great experience,, when you cold call and get to the owner,, ( mostly by luck, but not always) you have a chance to see and analyze their facial expressions and body language which is a good indicator of how you need to change or adapt your sales methods with that client, the main idea is to make them feel comfortable so the guard goes down,, and once that happens you got em.

Quentin · 19th May 2011, 07:12 PM

Hey Luke

With the redirection service it is like hosting which could also go down at any time.

The thing is to pick solid companies etc and I have talked with the owner many times and they seem genuine and thats why I go with them.

It is all based on a program called wurfl so if you know how to set it up you could run your own service.

WURFL

And Gerry I think your question has been answered.

Quentin

GerryLee · 19th May 2011, 07:29 PM

Hey Krzysiek, Thanks for the response!
You confirmed what I thought I'd read with your answers for items #1 and #2...thanks!

As to #3, I must not have posed the question clearly (entirely possible, eh?). What I was hoping to find out was just about the opposite....if the regular "PC" site is being SEO'd well, does the new mobile site share in the benefits from that optimization or does the mobile site need to be optimized separately? Any ideas about that would surely be welcomed.

Thanks again "K",

GerryLee

krzysiek · 19th May 2011, 07:32 PM

Oh & Gerry, I think I forgot to say in my reply to you: get off that fence and buy Quentin's WSO because it is definitely worth it (and pretty much the only reason I even have WSO up right now). It has pretty much anything/everything you need in there and I am confident you will not be disappointed.

krzysiek · 19th May 2011, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by GerryLee

Hey Krzysiek, Thanks for the response!
You confirmed what I thought I'd read with your answers for items #1 and #2...thanks!

As to #3, I must not have posed the question clearly (entirely possible, eh?). What I was hoping to find out was just about the opposite....if the regular "PC" site is being SEO'd well, does the new mobile site share in the benefits from that optimization or does the mobile site need to be optimized separately? Any ideas about that would surely be welcomed.

Thanks again "K",

GerryLee

Hi Gerry,

I think I am still a little confused about the last point, but I will try my best. I think that, you could get away without optimising the mobile site - because if the main PC site is optimised already, then that will be fetching the traffic so your mobile site (I think) would not need to be well optimised because the traffic would be coming anyway.

But to be honest, I think you should at least put the keywords you're targetting within the content on the mobile site for good measure!

PS: I am not an expert in the SEO / mobile design section so I really don't know how Google looks at mobile websites with SEO work done on them or not. I am a bit more savvy with normal SEO.

GerryLee · 19th May 2011, 08:31 PM

Hey again Krzysiek,

I'm not on the fence at all...things are really tight and I'm sweating out a check!

That's why I'm exicted about all of this...I think this is entirely doable, and I'm hoping that this will help turn things around for us after a really rough three years. Trying to reinvent myself at 61 (former cabinetmaker). Anyhow thanks for your help...your last P.S. is exactly what I was wondering about...new "rules" for mobile SEO.

Thanks Brother

Quentin....I was just groping for some clarification... this is all pretty new to me.

krzysiek · 19th May 2011, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by GerryLee

Hey again Krzysiek,

I'm not on the fence at all...things are really tight and I'm sweating out a check!

That's why I'm exicted about all of this...I think this is entirely doable, and I'm hoping that this will help turn things around for us after a really rough three years. Trying to reinvent myself at 61 (former cabinetmaker). Anyhow thanks for your help...your last P.S. is exactly what I was wondering about...new "rules" for mobile SEO.

Thanks Brother

Quentin....I was just groping for some clarification... this is all pretty new to me.

Yep, I understand. Hope it all works out well for you, I think you can do it if you put your mind to it. Will need to sit down and learn it all when you end up getting the course, but I think it is possible!

krzysiek · 19th May 2011, 10:48 PM

Hi guys, going to keep this one very short because I don't want to hi-jack, but I have a WSO for some website templates on sale but it is moving slowly, probably because there are no reviews.

So I want to give a few people a free copy to review, but hoping for them to be established here with a bit of rep, so that the reviews hold some weight. So if you would be interested, first check my WSO if you like it, then PM me and we will work something out hopefully. Sorry Scott to hi-jack temporarily.

WillR · 19th May 2011, 10:55 PM

Originally Posted by Quentin

Hey Luke

With the redirection service it is like hosting which could also go down at any time.

The thing is to pick solid companies etc and I have talked with the owner many times and they seem genuine and thats why I go with them.

Exactly. Hosting, domains, autoresponders... it could all go down any day and we'd all be left up the creek without a paddle. That's not a reason not to use services like that.

The main reason I stay away from redirection services as such is just because I really never found a need for them. I just have a standard simple code that I slot into all the sites and I don't think twice about it and I don't have to worry about coming back and updating anything when new devices and mobile browsers are released.

I just like a set and forget solution and it seems to work well.

Quentin · 20th May 2011, 04:58 AM

Hi Gerry

Mobile websites should have their own seo because Google now has a mobile website search engine. This is another reason to use one separate to a lot of the wordpress plugins around.

Also Matt Cutts from Google suggests adding your mobile website to a sub domain m.yourdomain.com to avoid any duplicate content penalty.

So mobile website seo is very similar to desktop websites.

A good title
A good discription
Some good keywords.
Good content.

Here is a pretty good article to get you started

Mobile SEO Best Practices | mobiThinking

Quentin

Quentin · 20th May 2011, 05:04 AM

Hey Will that should be your WSO

After creating over 200 mobile websites I have not found one redirection script that fits all.

Wordpress, Joomla, custom CMS, flash, html and then you have different htaccess configurations not to mention different server combinations.

On top of that you have php, html and asp sites.

If you have one script that fits all I will buy it and send you lots of customers.

Please do it!!!!!!

Quentin

WillR · 20th May 2011, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Quentin

Wordpress, Joomla, custom CMS, flash, html and then you have different htaccess configurations not to mention different server combinations.

On top of that you have php, html and asp sites.

I have found all of those don't really matter. All you need is the screen width script with a little tweaking and it will cover 99% of phones - those with and without javascript are catered for as well by that code. You can stick this code very easily into any type of setup whether it be wordpress or any other cms system. It's just a basic script at the end of the day.

Adrian John · 20th May 2011, 05:27 AM

To understand better what a mobile website looks like take a look at some of my examples here: Custome Mobile Designs - photo sharing with PhotoOnWeb by ObviousIdea
Also check this site on your PC: http://affordablehomedesigner.com/
and check it from your smartphone too.
You'll see the difference.
I also find difficult to find a script that works for all mobile devices.
I am working on every site until the redirection is done.(Double check on several smartphones)

Originally Posted by WeBJamming

Congratulations on making some money in your local area building websites. Just one question, what exactly do you mean by 'mobile' website design? Do you go to their place of business to actually build the site?
Jus' trying to understand.

Patrice

Luke Bishop · 20th May 2011, 06:21 AM

I tried cold calling a few businesses and it didn't go so well for me today... i felt a disheatened... Just had a good read of Willr's ebook and I feel motivated again.

Jay Moreno · 20th May 2011, 06:35 AM

missed your WSO Will will check it out later this afternoon!

Nail Yener · 20th May 2011, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by Luke Bishop

I tried cold calling a few businesses and it didn't go so well for me today... i felt a disheatened... Just had a good read of Willr's ebook and I feel motivated again.

Yeah, that was a really nice read. Will has done a great job with his WSO.

I have been sending emails (because cold calling is just not my thing) and I added a twist to it after Dave's post. I already have one very interested person and I hope to close a deal with her soon.

I guess I really like composing and reading emails and fine-tuning them based on the response.

scotth · 20th May 2011, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Luke Bishop

Hi Scott, Localseoentrepreneur,

Yeah Local I would say so, my gmail just won't have a bar of it.

Scott, spypig works when its wants too, hah.

sorry about that on spypig...I know from my emails I sent I was notified by spypig when they open it and most of my emails I send are either a domain email or gmail.

JohnQuiet · 20th May 2011, 08:56 AM

Scott or Quentin ,

Is there any secret to handling SEO so the mobile site is listed there also?

Or does it just it just follow the ranking of the main site?

Does the script do any SEO magic?

Thanks for a great post!

JohnQuiet

Nail Yener · 20th May 2011, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by JohnQuiet

Scott or Quentin ,

Is there any secret to handling SEO so the mobile site is listed there also?

Or does it just it just follow the ranking of the main site?

Does the script do any SEO magic?

Thanks for a great post!

JohnQuiet

Until Google and other search engines clearly separate desktop results and mobile results (and I am not sure if this will ever happen) I will not worry much about mobile SEO. But I would be happy to hear what others think about that as well.

GerryLee · 20th May 2011, 10:32 AM

Hello Quentin, thanks very much for your answers to my questions...helped a lot to clarify those points in my little "pea brain".

Coincidence: I happened to be reading through the very same web page (Mobi Thinking) that you kindly sent me the link for...Quazy, huh! This article raised another question.

The author recommends using a separate domain for mobile using "yourdomain.mobi". He maintains that greater name/domain recognition (mobi) by both humans and search engine robots would be a boost to SEO for the mobile site.

Matt Cutts's recommendation, as stated by you, is to go with the sub-domain "m.your domain.com" His reasoning regarding duplicate content issues is pretty clear. Wondered if you would mind expanding a bit on your preference for the sub-domain route as well.

Both you and Matt have established unquestioned credibility, so I'm certainly not looking to be sold...I'm with you guys all the way already! It would, however be very useful for me to understand this from your point of view since I'm about to purchase your WSO.

I can definitely see running into that prospective client who may have been extra diligent in their research. If asked to explain why we go the sub-domain as opposed to the mobi one, I'd like to have a response other than.....Huhhh! This may be helpful to others as well. Sorry to run so long...promise to not make a habit of it.

GerryLee · 20th May 2011, 10:56 AM

Krzysiek,

I just wanted to thank you again for your thoughtful responses to some of my questions.

Also...I received some info overnight that blew me away. This was right along the lines of one of the things we were kicking back and forth...wanted to run this by you.

I'm apparently unable to send PM's at will, and I not sure of the WF policy regarding posting my email on the Forum (or of the advisability of it, for that matter).

Wondered if you would PM me your email, so that I can pass along some thoughts...see what you think? Would greatly appreciate your input on this matter.

Thanks, GerryLee

P.S.....I promise to respect and protect your privacy as if it were my own

scotth · 20th May 2011, 11:17 AM

Getting spidered and indexed by mobile search engines
If you want mobile search engines to spider and index your site, they must know about it first. Submit your site to major mobile search engines for quick spidering.

Yahoo Mobile Site Submit

Google Sitemap Generator

This link has some good info Mobile Search Marketing - Mobile SEO Guide

Not sure when it was last updated but there are some good nuggets there.

krzysiek · 20th May 2011, 08:09 PM

Damn, forgot about the PM restrictions. Sent you a PM now

Originally Posted by GerryLee

Krzysiek,

I just wanted to thank you again for your thoughtful responses to some of my questions.

Also...I received some info overnight that blew me away. This was right along the lines of one of the things we were kicking back and forth...wanted to run this by you.

I'm apparently unable to send PM's at will, and I not sure of the WF policy regarding posting my email on the Forum (or of the advisability of it, for that matter).

Wondered if you would PM me your email, so that I can pass along some thoughts...see what you think? Would greatly appreciate your input on this matter.

Thanks, GerryLee

P.S.....I promise to respect and protect your privacy as if it were my own

zoro · 23rd May 2011, 12:13 AM

I've scrolled the posts but can't find this info. What is the going prices to charge a client for one of these mobile website?

Luke Bishop · 23rd May 2011, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by zoro

I've scrolled the posts but can't find this info. What is the going prices to charge a client for one of these mobile website?

depends, $250-350 on fairly small sites.

$350-450 for medium

etc

zoro · 23rd May 2011, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Luke Bishop

depends, $250-350 on fairly small sites.

$350-450 for medium

etc

Thanks Mate. That gives an idea. How's it going for ya ... selling plenty I hope?

It's nearly dinner time here in eastern state (I know you're in WA ... lol) so I'll be loging off soon.

Luke Bishop · 23rd May 2011, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by zoro

Thanks Mate. That gives an idea. How's it going for ya ... selling plenty I hope?

It's nearly dinner time here in eastern state (I know you're in WA ... lol) so I'll be loging off soon.

Hey brother,
Yeah not bad, I have my day job so its hard to find time after work and call clients... buts its all good, just need to micro manage. :p

Quentin · 23rd May 2011, 06:07 AM

Gerry re sub domain.

I do not really have a point of view just do what I am told. If Matt says Google will not penalize me for duplicate content if I put my mobile site in a m.domain.com then I figure he knows a lot better than me.

I learnt a long time ago to go to the source rather than listen to what people thought they knew about a subject.

Also if something works then go with it even if it goes against the norm.

At one stage every one was telling me to go .mobi which is fine but extra expense

Quentin

GerryLee · 23rd May 2011, 08:08 AM

Hey Quentin,
I hear what you're saying about .m. vs .mobi...I was just interested in your thoughts on the "whys and wherefores". Like I said, I'm going the .m. route that you and Matt suggest anyway...just thought I might learn a little something extra.

Thanks, by the way, for your quick response to my little login issue. The info in your 2nd email did the trick...all is well. Every thing looks awesome...can't wait to turn out my 1st mobile ready site!

Thanks again, GerryLee

Profolegy · 23rd May 2011, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by GerryLee

Hey again Krzysiek,

I'm not on the fence at all...things are really tight and I'm sweating out a check!

That's why I'm exicted about all of this...I think this is entirely doable, and I'm hoping that this will help turn things around for us after a really rough three years. Trying to reinvent myself at 61 (former cabinetmaker). Anyhow thanks for your help...your last P.S. is exactly what I was wondering about...new "rules" for mobile SEO.

Thanks Brother

Quentin....I was just groping for some clarification... this is all pretty new to me.

I know how you feel. I am an ex cabinetmaker ex business owner 63 y/o reinventing myself as well doing internet marketing by default. Long as we have breath in us we will
keep on going.
All the best Bruce Stewart..

scotth · 23rd May 2011, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by zoro

I've scrolled the posts but can't find this info. What is the going prices to charge a client for one of these mobile website?

I charge $397 up to 5 pages. I get half up front the other half on delivery.

zoro · 23rd May 2011, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by scotth

I charge $397 up to 5 pages. I get half up front the other half on delivery.

Thanks Mate, I'm gathering lots of info from this thread ... it's awesome!!

Luke Bishop · 25th May 2011, 03:48 AM

So I email potential clients showing them 2 iphones side by side, one with the traditional site and the other with the mob site.

Thing is, i just don't have the time to do this for each prospect.

Can anyone enlighten on some other email techniques to gain clients?
Do you use html or basic text, pdf or attatch an image?

I need to work smart and not get tied up creating mock sites.

Adrian John · 25th May 2011, 05:04 AM

You could do an mobile version of your website and show it to them to see the differences + some of your portfolio + some mobile trends.
I am going to send several email later too and see how it goes.I already have around 200 emails gathered for a niche in a specific town.I will see how it goes and will report back

Luke Bishop · 25th May 2011, 05:41 AM

Yes please do

allegrity · 25th May 2011, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by Luke Bishop

Yes please do

I haven't made any sales so far but I have been doing the same thing you are with the side by side phone examples. I have been trying this new approach starting yesterday and actually finally getting a responses by e-mailing prospects something like:

"I was trying to view your website on my phone but I had some problems with it. There is something you could do regarding my problems to bring in more customers and more sales every month. I made a short report for your business to show you exactly what I mean.

I was just wondering who would be the best person to e-mail the report to?"

With the subject "[Business Name] Website Inquiry".

That way you only have to make sample sites for the people that are interested and respond back.

Doing this I have sent out around 20 emails yesterday and by later in the night I got around 10 responses saying to send them the report.

Hope this helps.

Nail Yener · 25th May 2011, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by allegrity

I haven't made any sales so far but I have been doing the same thing you are with the side by side phone examples. I have been trying this new approach starting yesterday and actually finally getting a responses by e-mailing prospects something like:

"I was trying to view your website on my phone but I had some problems with it. There is something you could do regarding my problems to bring in more customers and more sales every month. I made a short report for your business to show you exactly what I mean.

I was just wondering who would be the best person to e-mail the report to?"

With the subject "[Business Name] Website Inquiry".

That way you only have to make sample sites for the people that are interested and respond back.

Doing this I have sent out around 20 emails yesterday and by later in the night I got around 10 responses saying to send them the report.

Hope this helps.

10 responses in 20 emails is a great response rate. I have been doing something similar and got only one person interested up to now. Maybe I need to try some different niches.

Adrian John · 25th May 2011, 08:03 AM

That's exactly how i will do it

Same idea only i will do mock-ups for those who reply.

Originally Posted by allegrity

I haven't made any sales so far but I have been doing the same thing you are with the side by side phone examples. I have been trying this new approach starting yesterday and actually finally getting a responses by e-mailing prospects something like:

"I was trying to view your website on my phone but I had some problems with it. There is something you could do regarding my problems to bring in more customers and more sales every month. I made a short report for your business to show you exactly what I mean.

I was just wondering who would be the best person to e-mail the report to?"

With the subject "[Business Name] Website Inquiry".

That way you only have to make sample sites for the people that are interested and respond back.

Doing this I have sent out around 20 emails yesterday and by later in the night I got around 10 responses saying to send them the report.

Hope this helps.

scotth · 25th May 2011, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Luke Bishop

So I email potential clients showing them 2 iphones side by side, one with the traditional site and the other with the mob site.

Thing is, i just don't have the time to do this for each prospect.

Can anyone enlighten on some other email techniques to gain clients?
Do you use html or basic text, pdf or attatch an image?

I need to work smart and not get tied up creating mock sites.

I use just a regular email with a small paragraph and a link to a jing video...you can construct the video in such a way that you will only need to make one video and send it to all possible prospects in a niche. That way your not creating a separate one for each prospect. In the video you show a competitors site that is mobile..its pretty compelling still to the business owner. All your doing is just sending out emails with the same Jing video in its numbers..that should make your time little more efficient.

mancmusicman · 25th May 2011, 08:47 AM

Im really struggling on how to pitch this to businesses.

I have tried a days worth of cold calling targetting 100 odd businesses - restaurants and letting agents and none of them seem to be interested.

how has anyone had any success and how did you word it?

19th May 2011, 03:00 PM	#952
GerryLee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 63 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design & Mobile SEO Share on: Hi everyone/Anyone, GerryLee here...kind of a newbie...but a little less of one every passing day as I study all the different topics, thread, member contributions in the various WF forums...totally awesome! This thread, in particular, I've read from start to present and I'm on the verge of pulling the trigger on Quentin's script and course, etc. Then I plan on "hittin' the bricks" to promote this thing shortly thereafter. In preparation though, before I receive the the course, I need a couple questions answered. Again, I've read this thread thoroughly, but would someone mind recapping a couple of things for me: 1) Will a totally new domain have to be registered and hosted for the new mobile site (or) is it just set as a sub-directory under the client's current site? 2) Does the redirect code redirect to a new domain, a new sub-domain, or just a new sub-directory under the current site's domain? 3) Since this is a redirect from the current "traditional" site, does the new mobile ready site benefit from any SEO done for the original site, or are separate SEO efforts required for the mobile site? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out with this...I'm under a little pressure, time-wise to get these questions answered so that I can proceed with my advance work and also respond with accurate answers to questions I've already received from a couple of current clients. Thanks again, GerryLee

19th May 2011, 06:09 PM	#955
Luke Bishop Focus on the objective Join Date: 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Thanks: 31 Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Sorry to be pessimistic ...I would say realist. I think one of my main concerns for the future is what happens if say the redirection company that Quentin uses goes bankrupt and ceasees to exist? That would be alot of sites to modify, let alone finding another website that offers the same services. lol

19th May 2011, 06:48 PM	#958
danielkanuck Daniel Kanuck Join Date: 2011 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 528 Thanks: 44 Thanked 45 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I'm glad cold calling worked for you. I'm much too shy to do cold calling. I'd rather send them a direct mail piece in an awkward looking box to get their attention. But good stuff tho.

19th May 2011, 07:12 PM	#962
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,895 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Hey Luke With the redirection service it is like hosting which could also go down at any time. The thing is to pick solid companies etc and I have talked with the owner many times and they seem genuine and thats why I go with them. It is all based on a program called wurfl so if you know how to set it up you could run your own service. WURFL And Gerry I think your question has been answered. Quentin
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19th May 2011, 07:29 PM	#963
GerryLee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 63 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design & Mobile SEO Share on: Hey Krzysiek, Thanks for the response! You confirmed what I thought I'd read with your answers for items #1 and #2...thanks! As to #3, I must not have posed the question clearly (entirely possible, eh?). What I was hoping to find out was just about the opposite....if the regular "PC" site is being SEO'd well, does the new mobile site share in the benefits from that optimization or does the mobile site need to be optimized separately? Any ideas about that would surely be welcomed. Thanks again "K", GerryLee

19th May 2011, 07:32 PM	#964
krzysiek Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 535 Thanks: 177 Thanked 94 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Oh & Gerry, I think I forgot to say in my reply to you: get off that fence and buy Quentin's WSO because it is definitely worth it (and pretty much the only reason I even have WSO up right now). It has pretty much anything/everything you need in there and I am confident you will not be disappointed.

19th May 2011, 08:31 PM	#966
GerryLee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 63 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design & Mobile SEO Share on: Hey again Krzysiek, I'm not on the fence at all...things are really tight and I'm sweating out a check! That's why I'm exicted about all of this...I think this is entirely doable, and I'm hoping that this will help turn things around for us after a really rough three years. Trying to reinvent myself at 61 (former cabinetmaker). Anyhow thanks for your help...your last P.S. is exactly what I was wondering about...new "rules" for mobile SEO. Thanks Brother Quentin....I was just groping for some clarification... this is all pretty new to me.

19th May 2011, 10:48 PM	#968
krzysiek Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 535 Thanks: 177 Thanked 94 Times in 61 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Hi guys, going to keep this one very short because I don't want to hi-jack, but I have a WSO for some website templates on sale but it is moving slowly, probably because there are no reviews. So I want to give a few people a free copy to review, but hoping for them to be established here with a bit of rep, so that the reviews hold some weight. So if you would be interested, first check my WSO if you like it, then PM me and we will work something out hopefully. Sorry Scott to hi-jack temporarily.

20th May 2011, 04:58 AM	#970
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,895 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Hi Gerry Mobile websites should have their own seo because Google now has a mobile website search engine. This is another reason to use one separate to a lot of the wordpress plugins around. Also Matt Cutts from Google suggests adding your mobile website to a sub domain m.yourdomain.com to avoid any duplicate content penalty. So mobile website seo is very similar to desktop websites. A good title A good discription Some good keywords. Good content. Here is a pretty good article to get you started Mobile SEO Best Practices \| mobiThinking Quentin
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20th May 2011, 05:04 AM	#971
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,895 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Hey Will that should be your WSO After creating over 200 mobile websites I have not found one redirection script that fits all. Wordpress, Joomla, custom CMS, flash, html and then you have different htaccess configurations not to mention different server combinations. On top of that you have php, html and asp sites. If you have one script that fits all I will buy it and send you lots of customers. Please do it!!!!!! Quentin
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20th May 2011, 06:21 AM	#974
Luke Bishop Focus on the objective Join Date: 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Thanks: 31 Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I tried cold calling a few businesses and it didn't go so well for me today... i felt a disheatened... Just had a good read of Willr's ebook and I feel motivated again.

20th May 2011, 06:35 AM	#975
Jay Moreno Mobile+WP = JumpMobi.com War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 1,270 Thanks: 301 Thanked 449 Times in 309 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: missed your WSO Will will check it out later this afternoon!

20th May 2011, 08:56 AM	#978
JohnQuiet HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 124 Thanks: 21 Thanked 29 Times in 18 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Scott or Quentin , Is there any secret to handling SEO so the mobile site is listed there also? Or does it just it just follow the ranking of the main site? Does the script do any SEO magic? Thanks for a great post! JohnQuiet
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20th May 2011, 10:32 AM	#980
GerryLee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 63 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Hello Quentin, thanks very much for your answers to my questions...helped a lot to clarify those points in my little "pea brain". Coincidence: I happened to be reading through the very same web page (Mobi Thinking) that you kindly sent me the link for...Quazy, huh! This article raised another question. The author recommends using a separate domain for mobile using "yourdomain.mobi". He maintains that greater name/domain recognition (mobi) by both humans and search engine robots would be a boost to SEO for the mobile site. Matt Cutts's recommendation, as stated by you, is to go with the sub-domain "m.your domain.com" His reasoning regarding duplicate content issues is pretty clear. Wondered if you would mind expanding a bit on your preference for the sub-domain route as well. Both you and Matt have established unquestioned credibility, so I'm certainly not looking to be sold...I'm with you guys all the way already! It would, however be very useful for me to understand this from your point of view since I'm about to purchase your WSO. I can definitely see running into that prospective client who may have been extra diligent in their research. If asked to explain why we go the sub-domain as opposed to the mobi one, I'd like to have a response other than.....Huhhh! This may be helpful to others as well. Sorry to run so long...promise to not make a habit of it.

20th May 2011, 10:56 AM	#981
GerryLee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 63 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design & Mobile SEO Share on: Krzysiek, I just wanted to thank you again for your thoughtful responses to some of my questions. Also...I received some info overnight that blew me away. This was right along the lines of one of the things we were kicking back and forth...wanted to run this by you. I'm apparently unable to send PM's at will, and I not sure of the WF policy regarding posting my email on the Forum (or of the advisability of it, for that matter). Wondered if you would PM me your email, so that I can pass along some thoughts...see what you think? Would greatly appreciate your input on this matter. Thanks, GerryLee P.S.....I promise to respect and protect your privacy as if it were my own

20th May 2011, 11:17 AM	#982
scotth HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: Costa Rica Posts: 325 Thanks: 9 Thanked 203 Times in 81 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Getting spidered and indexed by mobile search engines If you want mobile search engines to spider and index your site, they must know about it first. Submit your site to major mobile search engines for quick spidering. Yahoo Mobile Site Submit Google Sitemap Generator This link has some good info Mobile Search Marketing - Mobile SEO Guide Not sure when it was last updated but there are some good nuggets there.
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23rd May 2011, 12:13 AM	#984
zoro Online for Offline War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Qld. Australia. Posts: 1,628 Thanks: 351 Thanked 222 Times in 191 Posts Blog Entries: 4	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: I've scrolled the posts but can't find this info. What is the going prices to charge a client for one of these mobile website?

23rd May 2011, 06:07 AM	#988
Quentin Web Marketing For Profit War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Brisbane Posts: 2,895 Thanks: 8 Thanked 1,162 Times in 528 Posts Blog Entries: 10	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Gerry re sub domain. I do not really have a point of view just do what I am told. If Matt says Google will not penalize me for duplicate content if I put my mobile site in a m.domain.com then I figure he knows a lot better than me. I learnt a long time ago to go to the source rather than listen to what people thought they knew about a subject. Also if something works then go with it even if it goes against the norm. At one stage every one was telling me to go .mobi which is fine but extra expense Quentin
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23rd May 2011, 08:08 AM	#989
GerryLee Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 63 Thanks: 31 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Quentin...re sub-domain Share on: Hey Quentin, I hear what you're saying about .m. vs .mobi...I was just interested in your thoughts on the "whys and wherefores". Like I said, I'm going the .m. route that you and Matt suggest anyway...just thought I might learn a little something extra. Thanks, by the way, for your quick response to my little login issue. The info in your 2nd email did the trick...all is well. Every thing looks awesome...can't wait to turn out my 1st mobile ready site! Thanks again, GerryLee

25th May 2011, 03:48 AM	#993
Luke Bishop Focus on the objective Join Date: 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Thanks: 31 Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: So I email potential clients showing them 2 iphones side by side, one with the traditional site and the other with the mob site. Thing is, i just don't have the time to do this for each prospect. Can anyone enlighten on some other email techniques to gain clients? Do you use html or basic text, pdf or attatch an image? I need to work smart and not get tied up creating mock sites.

25th May 2011, 05:04 AM	#994
Adrian John Mobile Website Designer War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 529 Thanks: 611 Thanked 119 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: You could do an mobile version of your website and show it to them to see the differences + some of your portfolio + some mobile trends. I am going to send several email later too and see how it goes.I already have around 200 emails gathered for a niche in a specific town.I will see how it goes and will report back
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25th May 2011, 05:41 AM	#995
Luke Bishop Focus on the objective Join Date: 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 184 Thanks: 31 Thanked 32 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Yes please do

25th May 2011, 08:47 AM	#1000
mancmusicman HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 119 Thanks: 17 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Mobile Website Design big business in our local market! Share on: Im really struggling on how to pitch this to businesses. I have tried a days worth of cold calling targetting 100 odd businesses - restaurants and letting agents and none of them seem to be interested. how has anyone had any success and how did you word it?