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FANTASTIC question, and I cannot wait to hear some responses. One thing I love about this forum is the diversity and the variety of people I can interact with. You're the first person I've ever seen from France, and you've set the bar quite high. Thank you for this superb question, worded very well!
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Thank you all...29 pages read and now it's time to get down to work!
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What do you guys think is the best time to call restaurants if we want to offer them a mobile site and be able to talk to the owner and/or person in charge of marketing/advertising?. Also how do you guys respond if the owner asks how much will this be over the phone? Do you give them a quote right on the phone or no discussion of it until the meeting? |
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Reading this entire thread over last 3 hours --- and going to warrior sites who commented --- I have learned more about mobile marketing than ever would on my own. Thank you Scott and Quentin for uber generous gifts of knowledge and for others like Manny and Super John Durham who shared so many fine tips and reality checks. Anyone who drops into this thread today and does not skip back to post #1 misses out on enormous free education --- better than a $10k package of bonuses! Cheers!
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Hi, I wanted to see if I can get any feedback from others about rougly how many hours a week you spend on finding customers? I wanted to get an idea of amount of time needs to be put in each week to result in a few new clients? Thanks for any feedback. |
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If a owner ask me how much I tell them straight up, but I do my best to show the value before giving the price over the phone. Hope this helps, Scotth | |
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Hello, I'd like to know if some of you try to sell videos to your clients after selling them a mobile site? Does it work? And how long are these videos, some short 30 seconds or 1 minute? Thanks. |
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I can vouch that this is definitely a great service for businesses. One of my brick & mortar businesses just had a walk in completely a drive by project because they said -your site was easy - I didn't have to scroll all over to get directions you even had the map - I knew it was good but I had no idea how quickly it brought us a new customer. My own experience as a business owner helps also in talking with other business owners when I show it to them on a phone. I also use Quentin's templates and software and highly recommend them. I'm exploring the SMS possibilities and will get back with you on that once I've got it implemented for a local business. |
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OK Gents. This isn't something that gets done on this forum very often, but lets get down to the nitty gritty. I purchased WillR's WSO (I'll leave you a review - promise) and have been wading through all of the Mobile Website threads on the WF. Great stuff, it would appear. I'm in the process of finishing my own website/mobile site (action is great, but how could you think about selling mobile websites if you don't have a site / mobile site of your own?) and will be moving on next week. So - money talk. The only person I have heard throwing out numbers is Quentin. $100K per year is his goal. Maybe he's on track, maybe not. We've had a ton of people throughout this thread talking about how "I would do this, I would do that, etc." but not so many offering up facts - money wise. Make no mistake. I'm going to give this a go. Told myself, told the wife, etc. That said, I'm curious how folks are doing, specifically with regard to selling mobile websites. I'm sure there are a dozen of you getting rich off of SMS and SEO, and three dozen more who are pretending like it, but what's the take on the mobile stuff? Worth it in the end, or no? I'm not some stay at home mom who would be downright giddy with an extra $300 per week. Getting off the treadmill would be nice, but it takes more than a few nickels to get there. Thoughts, from folks who are doing it? Thanks, Nick |
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Scott im curious if to see if you offer any type of coaching or mentoring in getting started in this business. I own a couple brick and mortar businesses now and now a lot of other business owners. Thanks |
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Hi Fellow Warriors, I've got a Virtual PBX as I'm not going to risk my business by relying solely on a free service such as Google Voice (especially while they have minimal support if someone goes down). My question is, what do you all think about enabling the auto attendant feature and having a welcome message and custom menu when they call? For example, "Hello and thank you for calling (company name). If you are interested in our mobile website development or marketing services, please press 1. Press 2 for graphic design..." and so on... I've got mixed feelings, as 1) it would help me to know ahead of time what they're calling for so I can answer the phone accordingly, 2) it would help me to automate and screen the callers. However, on the other hand I feel that it could turn off clients (especially small mom and pop businesses), because we all hate the prompts when calling a company and not being directed to a human right from the start. What are your thoughts on this? There would only be 1 layer of auto attendant prompts, so once they entered their choice, their call would be connected. Or should I not use auto attendant and just have a professional voice mail if I'm on the line or unavailable? Thanks and have a great day. Best regards, Chris |
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The taking action part is where most people fail and this is NOT something that can be taught to you. Seriously, I've had a lot of my members make money selling these sites and also those who have not. Heck, I've even had people make money the same day they started. I'll give you one guess as to the main difference between those who have been successful and those who have not. Yes. Action. Nothing more. Nothing less. I've said it before and I'll say it again... the harder you try the luckier you get. There's a reason why I keep saying that over and over. Take it from someone (me) who was once a procrastinator wondering why I never made any progress. Another huge misconception with offline marketing is those who think they can go out, talk to a few business owners, and sign them straight up to whatever service they are selling. This is NOT how it works. Sure, you may get lucky and hit jackpot straight up but more than likely it is going to take a number of rejections before you make that first sale. The majority of people get rejected and then assume the problem is with the product or service they are trying to sell. Not the case. Sales is a numbers game at the end of the day. The more people you contact, the better you become at selling and the more sales you will close. | |
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Chris personally I think it is great as long as there are not multiple layers. I have no problems personally when I hear these services as long as they make sense. Quentin |
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I like to take a look at other mobile websites from time to time to get some ideas. Up until now I would search on my iPhone to see what these sites looked like. I just figured out this can be done on the desktop. Here is how to view mobile sites on your desktop via Safari. Open Safari. 1. Settings. 2. Preferences. 3. Advanced. 4. Click box "Show Develop menu in menu bar" 5. Press "Alt" to show menu bar. 6. Select "Develop" > "User Agent" > "Safari - iPhone" from menu bar. |
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There are actually a number of different methods highlighted through this thread - think most people combine a few methods, since the screen with redirection seems popular am also using a screen resizer plugin for firefox too Additionally firefox has some great developer tools too like the firebug plugin Hope that helps | |
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however if you combine it with a user agent switcher as I mentioned above you will have the best of both worlds... I would think most mobile sites user agent detection scripts detect the iPhone and or android at a minimum Hope that helps Jay | |
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Do you think it could lose some of that "personal factor" with clients though and give the client a "corporate" vibe when calling my business? I wouldn't want to lose the personal connection with clients, as that's what so many companies have lost with the implementation of going through 20 prompts and waiting on hold before reaching a human. Granted, I'd only have 1 layer...but don't want to turn clients off. Also, regarding invoices, I'm implementing Nick's idea with printing invoices on carbonless paper, however I got to thinking of other methods which could be more efficient. Has anyone implemented a portable printer setup in their cars to print invoices on the spot? I know a lot of construction companies do this so they can print proposals on the spot. I'm considering a setup with Fresh Books (which makes it easy to keep track of clients, they can view/pay invoices, etc.) and with HP's "ePrint" (or if WiFi wasn't an option than just plugged into the usb port) printers now we could print the invoices right from our smartphone or iPads. Easily go on the FB account on your smartphone/iPad, enter in the data (client info, services, prices, terms, etc.) into Fresh Books with the client, click print, and run out to your car to grab the printed copy on the spot. That way there's only need to print 1 invoice, since you can go in your FB anytime and print out a copy for your own records, and the client has a printed invoice which IMO is much more professional than a hand written one. In addition, you're helping to make things more efficient for yourself, as the client can sign into FB anytime to view, print, and pay their invoice and clients can easily be managed all in 1 account, rather than having paper work everywhere. What's everyone's thoughts on this? Anytime tried it? Have a great day, Chris | |
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I guess with the answering system I would test and see what your customers say. We have one in our store and nobody seems to mind as long as they get to talk to someone and not having to click numerous buttons. As for invoices we have a paperless system policy in our company and all invoices are sent via pdf and the business can print or save. If they want one right away I can log in and create one and email it direct then and there. I use a accounting program called MYOB which is similar to quickbooks. Quentin |
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If it's any help I have been using whmcs.com for my invoicing it's great it allows you to setup a very professional PDF invoicing system, automatically sends invoices to people's emails, allows for multiple payment gateways, ties directly into your hosting so you can control if people's hosting gets suspended or not, fully integrates with paypal. I use it not just for hosting but for all types of billable services, domain lookup and purchase, as well for billable design hours, printing, screen printing, monthly services such as social media management, design retainers, etc let's you do quotes too It also has built in affiliate programs, help desk/support ticket, todo lists, access via mobile and iPad etc Cost me $10 a month through my host servint.com but I believe you can get it free with hostgator vps accounts otherwise it's $15/month. Hope that helps someone Cheers Jay |
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Thanks Scott, Have you seen where Verizon and AT&T are starting to offer these services? Wondering how it will impact the smaller companies just getting into the mix. |
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Using the Firefox emulator you can just choose any phone and it will do all the sizing requests so no need to do anything with your browser. Steps To Emulate A Mobile Web Browser In Firefox Step 1: Download the User Agent Switcher Add-on for Firefox Step 2: Restart Firefox for the add-on change to take place. Step 3: To emulate a mobile web browser, you will need to change the user agent string that is sent out, we recommend finding a appropriate user agent string from this huge list of mobile browser strings. Here is the url in the tutorial http://techpatterns.com/downloads/fi...ntswitcher.xml Q |
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Quentin - the user agent switcher doesnt send screen size at least for me it doesn't so any sites using screen width detection script it won't redirect it as far as I am aware, unless you physically resize your browser and even that doesnt always work, be nice if it did though! |
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Oh yes I am using my hand detection service. Do you have a site using size I can test. Quentin |
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Hi Quentin am same as you i dont use size detection i use user agent detection as well I will have a site for you shortly you can test that uses multi user agent detection and renders differently for smart phones and non smart phones - ie shows menus with icons etc for smartphones, but shows non icons and implements access key menus for non smartphone devices, typically non smartphones dont handle inline graphics to well so it screws up the layout of your menus Additionally multi user agent detection comes in handy so as not to display javascript orientated things that would not be used on a non smartphone and that would normally cause it not to render, additionally it speeds up the overall performance for devices that dont need to load unused features that dont work anyway cheers jay |
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Hi Scott, isn't the mobile version of their site hosted on same server as the customers existing site?
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I have actually started to buy some mobi sites for customers to justify a monthly fee and they don't seem that adverse to it. Quentin |
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Hi Guys, I've finished my mobile website and marketing report and I'm looking for a few people to tell me what they think of it before I use it for clients. Send me a PM. Thank you and have a great day! Best regards, Chris |
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Hey guys - just want to mention something about testing your mobile web sites... its fine an all that if you use these emulators and simulators and stuff but you really don't get a 100% accurate representation unless you test on real handsets. I already test with real devices for android, iTouch, iPhone but today i bought a brand new non-contract blackberry 8530 for $69.99 from Target (Was a Super Target - You have to go in store for it its not on their site, i think they are located all over the US... I'm in Texas) What's cool is you don't need a contract of any kind to get online with it and you don't even need a pay as you go plan either since you simply use your WiFi connection! I also bought a really cheap flip phone for 30 which did include a $10 credit which i will use against its data plan to see how the mobile sites look on that type of phone too. i wanted to test how some of my sites look like on a much smaller phone. The only emulators that i have seen that are really close to how the device works is the iPhone emulator from Apple using xCode (You have to be a registered Apple Developer to get access to the emulator $99/month) and the Windows 7 phone emulator from Microsoft. Incidentally you can get a $5 special AV cable that plugins in to the Samsung Captivate headphone socket that enables you to connect it to your PC and you can record the output and audio of the phone using a special cheap USB convertor (approx $20) so good stuff if you want to do a video presentation! A may work on other androids am not sure? Although a lot of people are targeting just smartphones and in particular the iPhone and android i have actually noticed significant differences on actual handsets when not using a simulator or emulator particular in the Blackberry. I first noticed this when using perfectomobile.com which gives you access to 600 actual phones and basically has webcams pointing at the device screens! lol but its kinda of expensive if your not actually a full on mobile app/web developer. Although that service is great its so much easier just to pick up the actual device and test it in your own hands as you get a better feel for the end user experience and you don't feel like you are rushed because the clock is ticking (perfectmobile.com works on purchasing time slots ie 10hrs approx $180 to access all devices - just playing around with 3 devices easily knocks out 30 minutes well it did for me!) What you got to remember is you can show the business owner the site on your phone or in a screenshot but when he whips out his blackberry or non smartphone you will want to hope it works on that too or at least look presentable - especially if you have no way of testing it out for yourself Hope that helps someone Cheers, Jay |
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I truly believe that if you are going to design for mobile you must own a smartphone. I personally won't work with anyone who is involved with mobile if you don't have a smartphone. I would also recommend that you get an Android or iPhone instead of a Blackberry or other device. The reason being is that statistics show iPhone and Android make up the vast majority of internet traffic for mobile phones. On a side note when I was giving a presentation to a business owner she asked to see my phone. I handed it over and she then told me "Good, if you didn't have an iPhone I wouldn't have let you go any further". I later found out they basically run the whole store on iPads. |
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i totally agree you should prioritize and get yourself some kind of android/ios device first, preferably both! hence why i am using android, iphone, and an itouch as mentioned in my post for testing and only just got a blackberry as a fourth real device to test on i was basically pointing out that the blackberry is super affordable right now for testing purposes and the fact you shouldn't rely on testing your sites just on a simulator/emulator... as a prime example not many simulators properly reproduce the way an iphone/itouch enables full screen browsing and the use of startup screens/web app icons on the device home desktop, other things like click to call don't normally function on an emulator - you have to test that on a real device! lol Mobile video is another area that an emulator/simulator wont work true - with the exception of xCode. @flyinghammer - comscore said that in May 2011 Blackberry although in decline still accounts for around 24% of all smartphones in the US, which is just a few percent behind Apple 26% and obviously a good chunk behind Android devices 38%. Right now they are saying a third of all mobile phone users in the US are smartphone owners... 40% of all mobile phone subscribers in the US actually connect to the web according to the stats they share so thats potentially 10% who are using non smartphones looking at your sites... so breaking that down.... i believe going off the info i have approximately 234 million Americans have a mobile device in the US... thats 70 million with a smartphone and 23 million potentially with a non smartphone thats accessing the web - either way you look at it thats a lot of people and they are growing! PS for our aussie warriors i just found this infograph - not sure if its been shared before not sure of the date before but thought it was still interesting non the less! http://www.mobicity.com.au/marketing...one_usage.html enjoy! jay |
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@jay Looks like you have all your bases covered with mobile devices. Are you a full-time mobile developer? That is a great deal on a Blackberry for a tester phone. I also have one to test mobile sites with but hardly use it. It almost seems like going back in time. haha Here is a chart from the same report that you referenced. |
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@flyinghammer - yeah thats all i am working on is mobile sites/web apps and qr code development, i used to do mobile a while back for wap/wml sites its a lot easier now! lol am doing a local check in mobile web app at the moment for a local client which is pretty cool. yeah i usually get my data from comscore - thats an interesting one from comscore, its good to be able to see who your target audience but looks like they missed out window phones and blackberrys? actually if you add the US numbers up for mobile phones theres approx 30% difference un-accounted for - taking recent numbers i think its safe to say that 30% is made up of the windows phone (6%) and the blackberry (24%) comScore Reports June 2011 U.S. Mobile Subscriber Market Share - comScore, Inc as you can tell i am a bit of stats freak lol |
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Thanks this is all great information for us all. Keep it up. Quentin |
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Anyone have numbers of internet traffic broken down by device for mobile phones only? I know I have seen this before by some of the major mobile ad networks.
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on the link i posted it shows 41% of US subscribers over the age of 13+ access the web with their mobile phones... based on 234 million mobile phones in the US that equates to 93.6million people... that the kind of figure your looking for? whats interesting to see though is that 163million are actively using their phones to send/receive text messages! |
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@Jay I am looking for numbers similar to the chart I posted but with mobile phones only. I would like to see a breakdown by device and OS. |
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The best part about this type of marketing is that the amount of clients is indeed limitless. The longest part of me getting ready to go to market is actually typing in all the different potentials in my spreadsheet!
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@FH are you looking for figures for US stats or elsewhere - i can probably put those together for you for US subscribers. I have a lot of charts, figures, stats, etc Have actually contacted ComScore to find how much it costs to get access to their MobiLens Data - i doubt it will be cheap! lol take a look at this page: http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events...ns_Whitepapers they have some great whitepapers/presentations! |
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Something like the following chart but more recent. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...the-way-up.ars |
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yeah i have those type of stats - i need to get them in a chart format for you, ill see what i can throw together for you tomorrow! actually maybe tuesday - got a lot going on tomorrow! PS I almost forgot you can also check this link out too... has some good stats but the data may not be as broad as comscore so whilst informative these stats may not be showing a true overview of whats happening, its only an indicator of the people using the statcounter analytics service. http://gs.statcounter.com/ hope that helps yall! |
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