Outsourcing SEO work - how to make sure your workers are working? Screenshot software?

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Hi guys,

I have outsourced before for some SEO work, and while work was definitely done - a lot of the time I felt like I was not getting the work done as promised by the worker. They said they would spend X amount of hours working per day, which we both agreed to - but when the reports came, I felt like they were spending about 1/5th of what they said they would.

I know Odesk has the automatic screenshot software, but I want to hire someone full time from the Philippines and not through Odesk (I don't want to keep paying their fees). I have had a look at some screenshot software and I guess I could just ask the employee to set it to take screenshots every X minutes and at the end of the working day, zip them all up and upload them online and give me the link to it - so I can check over it.

Do you think this would work? How do you guys ensure that the people you hire and working as promised?

When I actually outsourced, I had a worker of mine working for me full time apply for another position I put up and he didn't even know it was me. That tells me he must have been applying like crazy for any SEO jobs put online... that's not what I want! And coincidentally, this is the one who was providing me with what seemed to be like 1hrs worth of work instead of 5, every day.

Any ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author redcell1
    Use people who charge a fee instead of paying hourly?
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Well, that would work but I want to hire them full time to work, ie - 9AM to 5PM every day and so they can be told to work on more than just one project. Usually if they give a fee, then they want more of a fee for a second or third project, etc - whereas I want to hire a full time employee.
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    • Profile picture of the author eddywebs
      Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

      Well, that would work but I want to hire them full time to work, ie - 9AM to 5PM every day and so they can be told to work on more than just one project. Usually if they give a fee, then they want more of a fee for a second or third project, etc - whereas I want to hire a full time employee.
      Hi @krzysiek , well putting up conditions like X amount of money for 1st postion might sound unfair since nobody cant promise it unless you do hit and trial on various techniques.

      Yeh surely paying for tasks and results is surely the way to go however keep results like report delivery on the various tasks performed.

      What I would suggest is study and research on variou SEO techniques like scraboxing , social bookmark submissions , link wheels etc and pay per task on the tasks and techniques.

      Know what you want to done ,and maybe find the right warrior or the hire the right person to do the task.

      Cheers;
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  • Profile picture of the author robertwin45
    You can sometimes ask them to turn on Team Viewer tool so you can watch their work remotely. Then you can let them know your assessment of their work speed and results.
    Anyway, you should reach to reliable and reputable SEO company to hire full time/part time VAs for your work. In fact, you will have to pay them a bit more than a freelancer but it's worthwhile I believe.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    Instead of paying based on their time, which you can't control at all....pay based on tasks and results.

    Line out specific tasks for them to perform and pay a flat rate for the tasks.
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Thanks Daniel, but wouldn't that be too hard to dictate? Like, I could say I will pay X for a 1st page ranking for this and this KW but what if Google is slow to update etc and the worker does not think it is worth their effort to keep working if it takes too long etc? Have you had much success using this type of method?
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    • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
      Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

      Thanks Daniel, but wouldn't that be too hard to dictate? Like, I could say I will pay X for a 1st page ranking for this and this KW but what if Google is slow to update etc and the worker does not think it is worth their effort to keep working if it takes too long etc? Have you had much success using this type of method?
      Is that what you are hiring for? "Get this site to page 1 for this keyword" and you don't care the process?

      Hmm...I don't get it. If I am having SEO work done, I know I want X number of backlinks from X type of places. I will pay X dollars to do that. Are you not dictating what is occurring? Not saying you are wrong...just a different perspective than mine.

      In my opinion...you should always know EXACTLY what you are paying for and make sure you get EXACTLY that. No room for guessing with my money.

      You could ask upfront what they will charge you for the number 1 ranking for that site and keyword. Pay half upfront and half when it reaches number 1.

      That being said...I would never do that because I am very specific with the people I hire. I almost never pay by the hour for contract labor. Accountants, consultants, laborers, programmers etc etc etc...we agree on a price schedule and that is what I follow.

      Pay people fairly...but don't waste even one dollar on unproductive time.
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      • Profile picture of the author mike106
        Hi Daniel,
        I'm looking to hire my 1st Outsourcer, what type of fees are expected for backlink building, forum post, etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Hi guys,

    Thanks again for your answers and support. I believe I did not include some vital information upfront which left you guys guessing as to how I would intend to run the operation.

    When I hired my last guy for SEO, I did tell him the work I wanted. I would specify blog links, profile links, etc. So that each day they would know what they needed to work on (I didn't leave the SEO strategy up to them but rather the work)

    So I want to hire a full time SEO worker again, this time I want to do it right though. Because last time, I would say, spend all of today doing X, but then at the end of the day, performance was low. So they did as I said, they did spend the day doing X but they did definitely not spend all of that time actually doing the work (they probably are doing work for other people too).

    Since I will maybe have around 2-3-4 projects coming up, I want to hire one guy who is overall good with everything (writing, link building, etc) to work on all of those projects. As such, I want to make sure that when I tell him to do so and so on Monday and so and so on Tuesday, that he is actually working for me as intended and not for someone else. I will still be dictating the work that should be done.

    I just want to be sure that they are working and not on FB or whatever else they might be doing, as my last guy certainly was not providing the amount of work as to be expected for 5 hours a day of work. Hope this clears up my issue!
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    • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
      You are far more trusting than I am.

      It is human nature to do the minimum work for the maximum benefit.

      Imagine if you had two ways to make $10,000. One required writing a simple 500 word article and the other was digging a 500 foot trench by hand. Which would you pick?

      That is essentially what you are telling your workers. "I am going to pay you $50 for today." They know they can build 100 backlinks for $50 or they can do 50 backlinks for $50...their output makes no difference.

      As for me...go ahead...play on Facebook if you want...but you only get $50 when my 150 .edu backlinks have been completed.

      Always pay for output...never time. Results matter. Nothing else does.
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    I see, well that definitely puts a good perspective on it. But then that begs the question, how do you know what amount to pay for X amount of work?

    I mean, you can hire someone for $400 a month full time and tell them to build links all day for example, but if you're doing it by job to job - it becomes a bit harder to price it?
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    • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
      A couple of options.

      Competition. Look at other people who are providing the service you want and price it that way.

      Ask them for a quote and agree on a price.

      If you have five projects for them to work on....and each project needs 100 links...and you will pay $50 for each 100...then agree on $500.

      Go into the warrior marketplace. Every SEO task you could ever imagine is in there with prices listed. That is a good place to start. If the warriors have good reviews...why go to odesk instead of hiring them here?

      If you want to go to odesk...use the prices here as a guide.
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Thanks for that, and all the other info here guys I will be putting it to good use!

    EDIT: So it seems a lot of you pay by the job, instead of hiring a full time employee to do whatever you tell him to do?
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  • Profile picture of the author mel guard
    I run 5 full time outsoursers and dont have a worry about what they do we have 30 sites all on page 1 and their pages to and most of them are in top position with out them these sites would not be their and the revenue covers there wages easily the best thing is they know how our business works and they are always their when you want them the key is to train them and get to know them
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Thanks Mel, but how do you actually ensure they do their work? Maybe I just had bad luck with my first hire... and i guess in your case the evidence is in the rankings, but do you do anything specific to ensure they don't go off working for 2-3-4 other people?
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  • Profile picture of the author hallpart
    That tells me he must have been applying like crazy
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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Well he applied to my new job for a new hire within 2 hours... so he must have been spending a bit of time looking at news jobs instead of working, haha.
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  • Profile picture of the author martinkrag
    Use rentacoder to hire people.
    Agree with winner coder about deadline and require each day reporting
    If he will not meet deadline you can use arbitration to get funds back and look for new coder
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  • Profile picture of the author dezchamps
    One of the questions was about screen cap software .. leaving it up to them to do the screen caps is no better than leaving it up to them to do the work. They'll screen cap when they want? bah Most of these outsourcers work so cheap that of course they're working other jobs too. They can do the repetitious work for 3 clients at a time as easily as 1. Time management on their part I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author srizer
    Hi

    I will suggest you to go for Odesk here screen showt of user screen will autometicallly get upaloaded to server it also track web cam and mouse clicks to, you need to manage payment through odesk
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  • Profile picture of the author cashmagnet
    I have been outsourcing for years the best and only way is to compare them to.what you can do! I can do everything and more than any of my staff so I instantly know if they are not performing, also some out sourcers work upto 60 hours a week so it may be in some cases natural for them to apply to other posts, in your case it may have been a bad egg.

    Pm me lets see if we can work together.
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