Has The Internet Killed Cold Calling Forever?

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Does anyone do cold calling anymore? I know telemarketing is still alive and well, with breathing tubes attached. But has eye ball to eye ball cold calling pretty much gone the way of the horse and buggy when it comes to offline marketing?

I can still find books and a few DvD's on cold call prospecting but who does that anymore, it must be someone?
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  • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
    Cold calling is not dead.

    It should be, but it's not dead.

    Cold calling businesses is like trying to unclog a toilet a plunger - it's gross, yucky, and a lot of hard work but at the end of the day it gets the job done.

    If you're just getting started and have zero money then give cold calling a try. There are several ways you can "cold call" without having to cold call but I don't know if anyone is interested in that.

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    • Profile picture of the author johninmn
      Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

      Cold calling is not dead.


      Cold calling businesses is like trying to unclog a toilet a plunger - it's gross, yucky, and a lot of hard work but at the end of the day it gets the job done.

      Tim
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

      Cold calling is not dead.

      It should be, but it's not dead.

      Cold calling businesses is like trying to unclog a toilet a plunger - it's gross, yucky, and a lot of hard work but at the end of the day it gets the job done.

      If you're just getting started and have zero money then give cold calling a try. There are several ways you can "cold call" without having to cold call but I don't know if anyone is interested in that.

      Tim
      Examples please, of ways to cold call without cold calling? You have a way with words.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Does anyone do cold calling anymore? I know telemarketing is still alive and well, with breathing tubes attached. But has eye ball to eye ball cold calling pretty much gone the way of the horse and buggy when it comes to offline marketing?

    I can still find books and a few DvD's on cold call prospecting but who does that anymore, it must be someone?
    WHOOAAA... I dunno about that, I don't think it even has breathing tubes attached. I could spend a week cold calling and make about 2 months income.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      I wasn't really talking about telemarketing per se, I was referring to door to door cold calling being on life support.
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      • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
        ??? What exactly is that?

        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        I wasn't really talking about telemarketing per se, I was referring to door to door cold calling being on life support.
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      • Profile picture of the author DukeNasty
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        I wasn't really talking about telemarketing per se, I was referring to door to door cold calling being on life support.

        Wrong Again! Google Edward Jones. They are a wealth management firm and guess what they start their new financial advisors doing. They have to hoof it door to door every single day knocking on 25 doors and presenting their offer. They aren't closing people on the spot. They are merely generating leads and stuffing the pipeline. But ask yourself, do you actually talk to 25 new people every single day about your offer? Does your website convert 25 people every day? If you did, I bet your earnings would be several times whatever they are right now. Me personally, I would never go door to door. It is too easy for me to put my wireless headset on and start smiling and dialing from the air conditioned splendor of my corner office overlooking the nicest corner in Buckhead in Atlanta.

        If mentally you have convinced yourself that it is on life support, then it will be for you no matter what I say. But, my free spending wife knows that picking up that 800lb phone has provided a good life for our family!
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Tim, I know a business that is bringing in 500k a year cold calling. Mixing that in with email lists(lol which are not opt in) they bring in about 1.5 million.

    Cold calling certainly works, it is just a numbers game. If you need an amount of cash by a certain time, cold call and you will get it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
    Niche Man, congrats on opening up a thread that will get a lot of responses. Ha Ha!

    It's not dead. A lot of people absolutely hate it and won't do it. That's fine and no problem for them or anyone else. There are other ways to market and sell to business owners.

    On the other hand, some weird folks love it because it is the fastest and most efficient way to talk to people who need (and have the means) to buy your service. It's one of the quickest ways to getting a check in hand. Will some people be put off by your call? Yes, a very few. Think of it this way. If you treat people kindly and professionally, they will respond in kind 99% of the time. It's a brief thing. The key is to not take the rejection personally. No one is rejecting you, they are rejecting your offer. It takes a certain mental toughness to make calls and mostly hear no on the other end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    The internet killing cold calling like online dating killed picking up random girls at the bar.

    ~Dexx
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    It's amazing in a way that no method has died out. Cold calling, direct mail, flyers, newspaper ads, facebook, email lists, twitter, mass sending of faxes, now QR codes & SMS... The list of ways keeps piliing on and not one method has died out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Headfirst
    Cold calling is far from dead. I've found that it is not the most efficient way for me to sell, but I have a guy who cold calls for me 5 days a week. It works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Does anyone do cold calling anymore? I know telemarketing is still alive and well, with breathing tubes attached. But has eye ball to eye ball cold calling pretty much gone the way of the horse and buggy when it comes to offline marketing?

    I can still find books and a few DvD's on cold call prospecting but who does that anymore, it must be someone?
    Has the internet killed cold calling? ....got news for ya...the internet isn't nearly as superior as you might think it is.

    The internet ( being on googles front page) is really only effective for nationally sold products and services.

    For businesses with only a local service reach, being on page one of local searches ( google places) only captures the fraction of people who are actually looking for said service.

    ...that leaves 80% of the prospects who are still in the dark....they need the service but just don't know it yet. You'll be waiting another 1 to 5 years to make your sale if you just let those people figure it out on their own. You have to pursue thos people an dplant the seed...enlighten them.

    Cold calling gets to those people first. Direct mail gets to those people first. Face to face meetings get to those peolpe first. Business cards and printed referral systems get to those people first.

    If you have a local business relying solely on the internet for its marketing, its going to find itself at the back of the line real quick.

    Things like direct mail, and cold calling certainly benefit from pro-actively partnering with online mechanisms....and internet venues can benefit from traditional offline processes.
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  • Profile picture of the author sconlinemarketing
    All of my business is from cold calling, and I have hit my income goal every month.
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    • Profile picture of the author Darla Kay
      I received a cold call a couple of days ago. Wanting to promote a "product" I sell online by making it number 1 on the Google Search engines! When I told the person that all sounded fine and dandy, but that I didn't have the bucks to pay for it, he continued on. When I again repeated that the dollar situation is dismal, he then wanted to know how I could even afford my "product". As I have truly struggled hard to make ends meet and have made sacrifices that many wouldn't even consider to keep going, I found the call highly offensive. He must have intuited that he had me riled. I was about to tell him what I thought and he hung up on me! From the conversation, I know that he was targeting people with websites who had similar "products" for sale. What I wonder is how was he planning on putting us all number 1 on Google

      If that cold caller happened to be someone from this group, an different approach might have found things a bit more profitable for him. I COULD have referred him to someone who has recently mentioned that they needed to optimize their website (same "product"). But by trying to cram what he was selling down my throat it made for a rather unpleasant experience. That's the first cold call I've had in a long time and quite honestly, I WILL hang up on the next one.

      As with all products being marketed, if there's no respect for the potential client, eventually that comes back to no respect for the marketer and lost opportunities for future marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    The internet has enhanced cold calling, brought it into the new millenium, made it more sophisticated, and the DNS list has even made it 100 times more civil. Its also more powerful and efficient. The internet enables Telemarketers to use highly targeted call lists and thus be more effective as well as relevant.

    Thats my two monkeys in a barrel... but you can only make $200 a day on the side walk with them, so dont pay any attention to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author yesucandoit
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Does anyone do cold calling anymore? I know telemarketing is still alive and well, with breathing tubes attached. But has eye ball to eye ball cold calling pretty much gone the way of the horse and buggy when it comes to offline marketing?

    I can still find books and a few DvD's on cold call prospecting but who does that anymore, it must be someone?

    No to your questions.

    Go out in the real world not the internet marketing world and you will see traditional ways of doing business.

    I did it for a number of years. It is fun and a way to toughen you up.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    You're barking way way way up the wrong tree by coming in here preaching that new fangled new age selling jibbity jabbity.

    Warrior Forum Offline Subforum is up to about 1978 circa Joe Girardi ' Herb Tarlek Style 101 Sales Training.

    Get your plaid sportcoat on.

    And don't you dare tell them anything else exists or is better. Go for that $300K a year in sales, mom & pop client that everyone else harrangues relentlessly.... and just keep talking until they agree to not go to their timeshare this year and pay you $800 instead. Spend $1500 in time to get that $400 sale. That's the way to do it... money for nothin' and the chick's for free....

    Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

    The internet killing cold calling like online dating killed picking up random girls at the bar.

    ~Dexx
    HAHA!!! AWESOME!!

    Yes, it certainly "gets the job done" if you're desperate.

    But only if you're looking for the same kind of relationship.... masturbating with someone else's body. Bar skanks aren't exactly marriage material...
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  • Profile picture of the author darrin_kuykendall
    I don't know about these people who claim to be doing cold calling & generating an income from it.

    The fact of the matter is, "traditional cold calling" is dead.
    Cold calling in the essence of the term meaning when a business collects leads without permission and randomly calls the leads. This practice is a dead practice and is illegal in the United States. You cannot randomly call people for solicitation - and you must adhere to the Do Not Call list policies & call-time policies. There are people who run webinars who break this all the time. Calling people to "remind" them after 9pm and such.

    However, cold calling from generated leads, collecting a phone number is different - given that you have already received partial permission.

    But these people claiming to make money from leads from cold calling. I'd really like to know what process they are using.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall View Post

      I don't know about these people who claim to be doing cold calling & generating an income from it.

      The fact of the matter is, "traditional cold calling" is dead.
      Cold calling in the essence of the term meaning when a business collects leads without permission and randomly calls the leads. This practice is a dead practice and is illegal in the United States. You cannot randomly call people for solicitation - and you must adhere to the Do Not Call list policies & call-time policies. There are people who run webinars who break this all the time. Calling people to "remind" them after 9pm and such.

      However, cold calling from generated leads, collecting a phone number is different - given that you have already received partial permission.

      But these people claiming to make money from leads from cold calling. I'd really like to know what process they are using.
      Well... if you'd really like to know the process they are using then I would suggest thetelemarketingforum.com

      Im one of those people you refer to here... we dont bite, and we will be joyful to help you learn.
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    • Profile picture of the author scotth
      Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall View Post

      I don't know about these people who claim to be doing cold calling & generating an income from it.

      The fact of the matter is, "traditional cold calling" is dead.
      Cold calling in the essence of the term meaning when a business collects leads without permission and randomly calls the leads. This practice is a dead practice and is illegal in the United States. You cannot randomly call people for solicitation - and you must adhere to the Do Not Call list policies & call-time policies. There are people who run webinars who break this all the time. Calling people to "remind" them after 9pm and such.

      However, cold calling from generated leads, collecting a phone number is different - given that you have already received partial permission.

      But these people claiming to make money from leads from cold calling. I'd really like to know what process they are using.
      4 days week I go to Google Places in my local city and cold call businesses and I am closing business every single week...no email no website...just me and my telephone.
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    • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
      Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall View Post

      I don't know about these people who claim to be doing cold calling & generating an income from it.

      The fact of the matter is, "traditional cold calling" is dead.
      Cold calling in the essence of the term meaning when a business collects leads without permission and randomly calls the leads. This practice is a dead practice and is illegal in the United States. You cannot randomly call people for solicitation - and you must adhere to the Do Not Call list policies & call-time policies. There are people who run webinars who break this all the time. Calling people to "remind" them after 9pm and such.

      However, cold calling from generated leads, collecting a phone number is different - given that you have already received partial permission.

      But these people claiming to make money from leads from cold calling. I'd really like to know what process they are using.
      You're grossly misinformed my friend. It is difficult to telemarket to consumers but not impossible. B-to-B is a whole different story. There is nothing prohibiting you from picking up a phone book and calling every single business in the yellow pages.

      I have four people on staff right now who cold call. Walk in cold to businesses every day. Trust me it works, it works SMASHINGLY. That's a new business venture I'm starting. So far it looks absolutely killer.

      In fact in my B&M we do cold calling every single day. Imagine I own a dry cleaning company(I don't). Every day someone is out in the community talking to area businesses, introducing ourselves. We aim to be belly to belly with around 1,000 area businesses at least every other month. We aim to be belly to belly with 25 businesses a day. So that every sixty days we are in front of that business. My phone staff is one day in the office, one day out. It works, it works REALLY well. We make it a point to get to know the community so that guess what they won't use any other dry cleaner, in fact they'll tell all their friends about us. Two sales a week pays for my "community outreach" program. Although I suppose by the 4th time we've gone to see them it's not really cold calling anymore is it?

      Cold Calling dead. Thank God it's not. I freaking love it.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Clough
        Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

        You're grossly misinformed my friend. It is difficult to telemarket to consumers but not impossible. B-to-B is a whole different story. There is nothing prohibiting you from picking up a phone book and calling every single business in the yellow pages.

        I have four people on staff right now who cold call. Walk in cold to businesses every day. Trust me it works, it works SMASHINGLY. That's a new business venture I'm starting. So far it looks absolutely killer.

        In fact in my B&M we do cold calling every single day. Imagine I own a dry cleaning company(I don't). Every day someone is out in the community talking to area businesses, introducing ourselves. We aim to be belly to belly with around 1,000 area businesses at least every other month. We aim to be belly to belly with 25 businesses a day. So that every sixty days we are in front of that business. My phone staff is one day in the office, one day out. It works, it works REALLY well. We make it a point to get to know the community so that guess what they won't use any other dry cleaner, in fact they'll tell all their friends about us. Two sales a week pays for my "community outreach" program. Although I suppose by the 4th time we've gone to see them it's not really cold calling anymore is it?

        Cold Calling dead. Thank God it's not. I freaking love it.

        Marcos
        "We aim to be belly to belly with around 1,000 area businesses at least every other month. We aim to be belly to belly with 25 businesses a day."

        Marcos.....great to hear. I read a book by Tom Hopkins in the early 90's about Belly to Belly )(.......Haven't heard that in a while, and it sure does work!
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    • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
      Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall View Post

      I don't know about these people who claim to be doing cold calling & generating an income from it.

      The fact of the matter is, "traditional cold calling" is dead.
      Cold calling in the essence of the term meaning when a business collects leads without permission and randomly calls the leads. This practice is a dead practice and is illegal in the United States. You cannot randomly call people for solicitation - and you must adhere to the Do Not Call list policies & call-time policies. There are people who run webinars who break this all the time. Calling people to "remind" them after 9pm and such.

      However, cold calling from generated leads, collecting a phone number is different - given that you have already received partial permission.

      But these people claiming to make money from leads from cold calling. I'd really like to know what process they are using.
      Darrin, you're giving out incorrect information. It's not illegal. You cannot call residential numbers that are registered with the national DNS list. It's also not dead. There are numerous people on this forum and John's that will vouch for it. You absolutely can generate your own call lists. Businesses advertise their number in the yellow pages and elsewhere, INVITING people to call them. Now the nature of the call is not to make a dental appointment, but to sell a website or something. Far as I now you're not going to get in trouble for calling with a reason other than what what the proprietor hoped for.
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    • Profile picture of the author lewiswharf
      Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall View Post

      This practice is a dead practice and is illegal in the United States. You cannot randomly call people for solicitation - and you must adhere to the Do Not Call list policies & call-time policies.
      Please don't post misleading information. If you knew anything about the Do Not Call list, you would know that businesses that conduct telemarketing/cold calling to other businesses are exempt (i.e. business-to-business).
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    • Profile picture of the author DukeNasty
      Originally Posted by darrin_kuykendall View Post

      I don't know about these people who claim to be doing cold calling & generating an income from it.

      The fact of the matter is, "traditional cold calling" is dead.
      Cold calling in the essence of the term meaning when a business collects leads without permission and randomly calls the leads. This practice is a dead practice and is illegal in the United States. You cannot randomly call people for solicitation - and you must adhere to the Do Not Call list policies & call-time policies. There are people who run webinars who break this all the time. Calling people to "remind" them after 9pm and such.

      However, cold calling from generated leads, collecting a phone number is different - given that you have already received partial permission.

      But these people claiming to make money from leads from cold calling. I'd really like to know what process they are using.
      This is so blatantly off base...it almost isn't funny. I've built a nice (really nice actually) wealth management practice with guess what...COLD CALLING. That's right. Picking up the d*mn phone, calling a business owner, and asking them to buy something. The people who say it doesn't work simply are not qualified to say this because they haven't done it long enough. And I don't want to hear about how you've cold called "big time" before because I know it isn't true. I am not talking about calling 50 people per day for a week. I am not talking about calling for a month. I am talking about picking up the phone every single business day for years and to keep doing it until the fruit of your labor pays for someone else who can do it for you. It typically takes three months to fill your pipeline and then closed deals (if you have a halfway decent followup process) start falling out. Being a grunt and pushing that rock up the hill has afforded me a lifestyle that I could only have dreamed of when I was a kid, but it is something that anyone can do. Nothing special about me at all, I simply followed the freaking formula and I can tell it to you until I am blue in the face, but most people simply aren't going to do it because it requires that small element that most people don't want any part of...HARD WORK.

      Seriously though. Here is EXACTLY how I built my practice. I once read that if you present ten people your offer, one out of that ten will buy your offer no matter how good you are. Another one of those ten people won't buy your offer no matter how good you are. The other 8 people are completely up for grabs and you will close a percentage of those 8 people depending on how good you are. So, if I know one in ten are going to buy no matter what, my goal was to see how many multiples of ten people I could talk to in a day. I call it the low hanging fruit strategy.

      So if I talked to 40 to 50 people EVERY DAY (decision makers, not sally gatekeeper), I knew I would destroy everyone else around me because while I was just beginning to break stride, everyone else was throwing their hands up in disgust crying and whining because they didn't get immediate results. We are doing the exact same thing in this space, and we are making significant inroads already and will continue to do because we are employing the exact same strategy we use in the wealth management space.

      Bottomline, cold calling is only the first step in the sales process, but people use cold calling as if it is the entire sales process. This is why they set themselves up for failure from the beginning.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Darrin, John is indeed a great person to learn telemarketing from if you're a noob.

    Despite my chain-pulling rants, it really is a valid means of drumming up business for bootstrapper startups.

    But eventually you have to decide whether or not to cross the line of time/value on your deal sizes and the amount of time it takes to land one by accident vs. developing a strong lead nurturing system that grooms large deals over an extended period of time... and then filling and managing that pipeline.

    John and I debate back and forth all the time on this... but it's really apples and oranges.

    He knows I love him.

    I constantly poke the bear on LinkedIn as well in the selling forums... one of the biggest sales trainer guys on linkedin can't stand me because he runs this telemarketing training service and I am constantly saying "yeah but..."

    He's a good guy too, but far less of a sense of humor than John Durham.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    I just don't understand how anyone can think cold-calling is dead, or even on life support?
    Seems silly.

    Under any conditions, at any time of the year, in any area, any motivated business person can go out, meet potential clients and close deals. I have never failed to derive new business from call calling when I actually try.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by brucerby View Post

      I just don't understand how anyone can think cold-calling is dead, or even on life support?
      Seems silly.

      Under any conditions, at any time of the year, in any area, any motivated business person can go out, meet potential clients and close deals. I have never failed to derive new business from call calling when I actually try.
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      Hey Brucerby. I always get joy whenever I see you post man! Thanks.

      Fads come and go, but principles endure for thousands of years, and the rules of cold calling are based on some of those timeless principles. It is incapable of failing, though HUMANS still are.

      Any marketing tactic based on timeless principles will endure through hundreds of fads. Just like door to door, b2b cold calling will always be here, and it will always work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Drewry_Media
    To be honest, some businesses feel when a person cold calls them and tele-markets to them on the phone, it is a form of panhandling. When you market online and don't ask anybody outright to acquire your products and services, ppl are more likely to give you more business, just because you didn't say anything up front to them. So, it's like a reverse psychology that works, by not saying nothing at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
      Originally Posted by Drewry_Media View Post

      To be honest, some businesses feel when a person cold calls them and tele-markets to them on the phone, it is a form of panhandling. When you market online and don't ask anybody outright to acquire your products and services, ppl are more likely to give you more business, just because you didn't say anything up front to them. So, it's like a reverse psychology that works, by not saying nothing at all.
      Panhandling? I have never heard that. I have however met business people who admire other business people who take the initiative to create their own destiny. You can go onto Amazon and find dozens of books on cold calling. Of these, there are hundreds and hundreds of professionals who are battle tested and have left mostly positive comments about the information in those books. That's a tiny, tiny snippet of the people who are doing it day in and day out but never leave comments on message boards. It seems to me that many people will attempt to discredit what is one of the top ways to solicit new business for a variety of reasons, fear being the main one. Telemarketers don't disagree with post cards, networking, seminars, Craigslist and so on. It's puzzling that so many come out against the telephone. I wish they'd just say 'that's not for me' and leave it at that.
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      • Profile picture of the author yesucandoit
        Originally Posted by Huskerdarren View Post

        Panhandling? I have never heard that. I have however met business people who admire other business people who take the initiative to create their own destiny. You can go onto Amazon and find dozens of books on cold calling. Of these, there are hundreds and hundreds of professionals who are battle tested and have left mostly positive comments about the information in those books. That's a tiny, tiny snippet of the people who are doing it day in and day out but never leave comments on message boards. It seems to me that many people will attempt to discredit what is one of the top ways to solicit new business for a variety of reasons, fear being the main one. Telemarketers don't disagree with post cards, networking, seminars, Craigslist and so on. It's puzzling that so many come out against the telephone. I wish they'd just say 'that's not for me' and leave it at that.
        Yes fear is a big factor that is why those that learn the skill get paid very well.

        Like most things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rita Fourie
    Hello there The Niche Man,

    I've been in a position where I've asked myself the same question.

    I found the following Pro's and Con's - from doing some research and talking to people:

    1. It is time-consuming - you don't always get hold of the prospects; and if you do they often feel pressured, which leads to resistance.
    2. It is a numbers game - often you have to call 15 prospects to make one sale (that is a 7% success ratio)
    3. However - cold calling doesn't require a special skills-set – once you have the information, you can start calling anytime
    4. If a prospect decides to buy from you - success is immediate

    One tip that I came across is that it is better to set up an ‘appointment’ with a prospect to make a follow-up call after giving a brief overview of your product - this way the prospect has some time to consider your offer and you have a better chance of making the sale.

    Lastly, some other methods to cold calling includes: writing articles, public speaking and networking - however, some more skills are required and it will take time to become successful at this. But once you are, you should be getting more returns.
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    Your marketing plan shouldn't rely on only one method.

    I'm not a fan of "cold" calling, as in calling some random person out of the blue and expecting to sell them right there. But using calls as part of an entire campaign can be very effective.

    One of the things I encourage businesses to do is incorporate events into their marketing plan. Business is really about creating relationships and face-to-face is a great way to strengthen connections.

    Most businesses do a crappy job at it though, for a number of reasons.

    However, there is one local business that is doing a *great* job of combining event marketing, calls, and email marketing.

    They were at an event I attended recently. They had a drawing/newsletter signup. The following week, I received a phone call from them saying that they had met me at the event, explained what they did, and then asked for permission to send me some information. The next week, I received another call asking if I had any questions and I've received two more emails.

    I signed up for every newsletter that was available at the event (I like seeing what people are doing,) and with the exception of the timeshare people, they are the only business that was there that has followed up with me in any way.

    That is an example of using calls effectively.
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  • Profile picture of the author cma01
    I wasn't really talking about telemarketing per se, I was referring to door to door cold calling being on life support.
    You know, there is someone I know that in is an industry that as a whole has taken a very heavy hit in the recession. However, when I talked to her at the beginning of last year, she said that they were expecting a 50% increase for last year.

    Now this was pretty unusual to hear. Most people I had been talking to were saying the complete opposite. I asked her what they were doing that was causing them to be so completely out of the norm from all their competitors.

    She said that one of the partners of the company was a "Phonecian" and was going door to door in Libya making cold sales calls. Now THAT is real risk.

    I checked in with her last week, and she said he was able to make it out of the country safely. I'm sure that this will be a set back for their company, but I'm also sure that someone like that will find a new opening and opportunity.
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