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13 years ago

Hey Quentin, sorry I don't have the answers but am asking the same questions!! Hopefully, there will be a lot of clear and complete answers from other members soon.
Will be glad to post here whatever I come across.

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Steve Solem

13 years ago

Quentin,

I just posted this pdf in another thread yesterday - it's a comparison I did last summer when researching some US based SMS providers, so you'll want to double check the companies mentioned and also make sure they service the countries you plan to operate in.

I found a number of providers here in the U.S. with a handful of Google searches and these companies were the top five or so picks I found. Much like choosing a mobile phone plan, you need to be aware of per message costs and/or monthly fees, and consider how often you plan to message your list.

If you plan on developing a huge list that you message every day - for example one "local deal" list that you send an offer from a new business each day - someone that offers unlimited messages for x number of contacts would probably be best. If you're doing a list for one business who might only send one offer a week to a list of a few hundred or thousand, then it's probably better to pay per message sent.

Cheers,

Steve

P.S. All the services I've come across have all been web based and most offer a reseller or affiliate option and give you the option to setup either separate sub-accounts or maintain separate shortcodes or keywords that you can use for different clients.

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bankcardguru 13 years ago

Great info. appreciate it.
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equity9200

13 years ago

Personally I like hosting my own solution. It gives us the greatest control. I am looking to partner up with some warriors. Basically we will handle the backend and technology you sell, sell, sell. I put together a quick demo if you text jv to (727) 456-8880 or scan my profile pic. It will walk you through the demo. There is a quick video. Once done if you want off the list just text back stop and you will be removed. It is only a demo we are not trying to build a list so will not be used for anything else.

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littleangle

13 years ago

Originally Posted by equity9200

Personally I like hosting my own solution. It gives us the greatest control. I am looking to partner up with some warriors. Basically we will handle the backend and technology you sell, sell, sell. I put together a quick demo if you text jv to (727) 456-8880 or scan my profile pic. It will walk you through the demo. There is a quick video. Once done if you want off the list just text back stop and you will be removed. It is only a demo we are not trying to build a list so will not be used for anything else.

Hey Equity9200, just sent the JV text to your long code but never received a response. Checked my out box to make sure i didn't screw it up, I didn't. I do not have enough posts to pm you but would love more info, Thanks

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nctom

13 years ago

You can start your own white label solution with adking.

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frontrunner1

13 years ago

Anyone interested is partnering with me to buy SMS message credits from Trumpia?

If interested please contact me ASAP: rick at frontrunner-enterprises dot com

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iAmNameLess

13 years ago

There is another thread in this forum you might find useful, I commented quite a bit in there. $50 doesn't get you much at all, maybe 2 keywords and a thousand texts. You really get into high profit margins when you have someone willing to create a customized plan... You don't want to pay more than a penny a text. Most services will provide you with an account layout where you can manage each separate client you have signed up.

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TonyPatti

13 years ago

Does anyone have any feedback on AdKing/Brandel which is using the DotGo system? AdKing's been advertising SMS systems for the past few years.

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frontrunner1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TonyPatti

Does anyone have any feedback on AdKing/Brandel which is using the DotGo system? AdKing's been advertising SMS systems for the past few years.

FYI, DotGo does NOT give you access to your list ... meaning that you cannot either view or download the phone numbers ... if you ever want to change SMS providers you lose your list(s) ... IMHO, that's not good

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thehypnoguy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by frontrunner1

FYI, DotGo does NOT give you access to your list ... meaning that you cannot either view or download the phone numbers ... if you ever want to change SMS providers you lose your list(s) ... IMHO, that's not good

That's why you build your own platform and use a seperate providing for the optin lists so you do control the lists. All you want to use the Dotgo system for is the free incoming texting. Send it to your system and you can do many neat things with the engine system.

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littleangle

13 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnoguy

That's why you build your own platform and use a seperate providing for the optin lists so you do control the lists. All you want to use the Dotgo system for is the free incoming texting. Send it to your system and you can do many neat things with the engine system.

Martin

Hey Martin, would you be willing to explain that a little more? I will actually be speaking with Michael Keough with DKtext (Dotgo) tomorrow. That is one of the things I need more info on. And are you a hypnotist? just curious. I love that stuff

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umobie 12 years ago

This is Michael from DKText I don't know what you are doing with your mobile solution now but I would love you to come check out my new product umobie.com. Also I think I may be selling the DKText sourcecode. I found that working with DOTGO was really a failed model though. Please let me know if you have any interest in umobie, if not sorry to bother you.
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philboy uk

13 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnoguy

That's why you build your own platform and use a seperate providing for the optin lists so you do control the lists. All you want to use the Dotgo system for is the free incoming texting. Send it to your system and you can do many neat things with the engine system.

Martin

Hey Martin

I would also appreciate if you give a little more information about building your own platform. I signed up for the dotgo system, before really understanding the limitations with regard to controlling lists.

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thattori

13 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnoguy

That's why you build your own platform and use a seperate providing for the optin lists so you do control the lists. All you want to use the Dotgo system for is the free incoming texting. Send it to your system and you can do many neat things with the engine system.

Martin

Please expand on building your own platform, cost involve, who or how to build your own?
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mflorin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by thehypnoguy

That's why you build your own platform and use a seperate providing for the optin lists so you do control the lists. All you want to use the Dotgo system for is the free incoming texting. Send it to your system and you can do many neat things with the engine system.

Martin

I would also love to hear ideas on how to build our own platform also. I have been researching mobile marketing solutions for weeks and think Dotgo is the best I've found so far -- if I can find a way to collect the phone numbers for myself.

Hope thehypnoguy or someone else might enlighten us all...

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msdobe

13 years ago

I just contacted Qwasi and will be talking to them later today. Will let everyone know what I've found out. I've been looking into SMS services for 3 days and it's mind boggling what's out there. :rolleyes:

Jenny

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adlene

13 years ago

Originally Posted by msdobe

I just contacted Qwasi and will be talking to them later today. Will let everyone know what I've found out. I've been looking into SMS services for 3 days and it's mind boggling what's out there. :rolleyes:

Jenny

waiting for this info

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msdobe

13 years ago

Adlene wrote

waiting for this info

I contacted them but probably won't be receiving anything until tomorrow. I'll post what I receive.

Jenny

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cchipster 13 years ago

I too have contacted them via email. I tried calling but was after hours. BIIIG thanks to 'LEE' for finding Avid was nothing more than a reseller. Could potentially save us BIG TIME! Please thank the man!

Hypno: Please enlighten us on building a platform!

Mflorin: What makes 'Dotgo' the best? Just curious, am new to all this! I was wondering if you can easily rebrand a control panel for a client's use? Such as have them log in and use the texting features? (like a restaurant owner for example)
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adlene

13 years ago

Originally Posted by msdobe

Adlene wroteI contacted them but probably won't be receiving anything until tomorrow. I'll post what I receive.

Jenny

thank you jenny I can't wait to know more about it .

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msdobe

13 years ago

Well, I still haven't heard back from Qwasi (the gentleman I talked to had just gotten a new computer and was working on getting it set up, but said he would send me something today).

I had sent an email earlier to Avid Mobile and just got off the phone with a gentleman and here's the info I got for their reseller program:
Set up fee - $199
$99/mo.
text cost is charged in arrears at $.035/msg
Texting can be bought in blocks at a discount
$6/client
They use SMPP for delivery
You can make mobile websites and apps
Lots of training, powerpoint presentations you can show to clients

The company sounds great. The training sounds phenomenal. I'm going to be shown a demo this afternoon. I really don't know how any company can beat this.

I'll let you know how the demo works out.

Jenny

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cchipster 13 years ago

I know how a company can beat this...the one that signed them up as a reseller...'QWasi'!

Update: Actually talked to 'Qwasi' they cant even beat their resellers price? WOOW?
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hardline

13 years ago

Hey guys/gals,

Currently there's a ton of providers out there but they all have certain
downfalls. For example, you should not be paying a monthly fee for
a mobile service.

Chances are you probably will only use it a couple of times per month.
why pay $49/month when you may use it sparingly. No one likes
to be charged for something they don't use.

We just launched Call Loop and here's what we give you:

• Autoresponders for voice and sms text
• Personalized text messages
• Full email autoresponder integration (iContact, Aweber, GetResponse,
MailChimp, Constant contact, and many more in the works)
• Pay as you go. Just pay for what you use at 5¢ per send.

Full Integration
Aweber, iContact, GetResponse, Constant Contact, MailChimp to
automatically grow their mobile subscriber list as new subscribers
join their list. No more manual importing, we sync it for them behind the
scenes.

Send Automated Followups (autoresponders for voice & text)
Just like an autoresponder users can setup a series of automated voice
and text message followups to work side by side with their followup
process.

Create Integrated & Automated Multi-Channel Marketing Campaigns
Now marketers can add two new automated marketing channels,
voice and text, to their followup campaign. Set it up once, and we'll
deliver their messages as new subscribers join their list.

Already some of the "top" marketers are using it.

You should try it out too...

Call Loop: Easy, Integrated, Automated Voice and SMS Messaging

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whyu76

13 years ago

Hi Chris,

I have tried to register an account but an error come out. Not sure what happened? My register email with call loop is whyu76@gmail.com

Originally Posted by hardline

Hey guys/gals,

Currently there's a ton of providers out there but they all have certain
downfalls. For example, you should not be paying a monthly fee for
a mobile service.

Chances are you probably will only use it a couple of times per month.
why pay $49/month when you may use it sparingly. No one likes
to be charged for something they don't use.

We just launched Call Loop and here's what we give you:

• Autoresponders for voice and sms text
• Personalized text messages
• Full email autoresponder integration (iContact, Aweber, GetResponse,
MailChimp, Constant contact, and many more in the works)
• Pay as you go. Just pay for what you use at 5¢ per send.

Full Integration
Aweber, iContact, GetResponse, Constant Contact, MailChimp to
automatically grow their mobile subscriber list as new subscribers
join their list. No more manual importing, we sync it for them behind the
scenes.

Send Automated Followups (autoresponders for voice & text)
Just like an autoresponder users can setup a series of automated voice
and text message followups to work side by side with their followup
process.

Create Integrated & Automated Multi-Channel Marketing Campaigns
Now marketers can add two new automated marketing channels,
voice and text, to their followup campaign. Set it up once, and we'll
deliver their messages as new subscribers join their list.

Already some of the "top" marketers are using it.

You should try it out too...

Call Loop: Easy, Integrated, Automated Voice and SMS Messaging

Cheers,
Chris

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frontrunner1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by msdobe

Well, I still haven't heard back from Qwasi (the gentleman I talked to had just gotten a new computer and was working on getting it set up, but said he would send me something today).

I had sent an email earlier to Avid Mobile and just got off the phone with a gentleman and here's the info I got for their reseller program:
Set up fee - $199
$99/mo.
text cost is charged in arrears at $.035/msg
Texting can be bought in blocks at a discount
$6/client
They use SMPP for delivery
You can make mobile websites and apps
Lots of training, powerpoint presentations you can show to clients

The company sounds great. The training sounds phenomenal. I'm going to be shown a demo this afternoon. I really don't know how any company can beat this.

I'll let you know how the demo works out.

Jenny

Jenny - I do NOT have enough posts to send PM's ... have some valuable information to share with you re. Avid/Qwasi ... please contact me ASAP at: rick [at] frontrunner-enterprises [dot] com ... thanks!! Rick

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cchipster 13 years ago

Hey Frontrunner, how's it going?

Could you enlighten me too?

I think you still have my email, but if not its: ChipBrault@Gmail.Com
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Steven Carl Kelly

13 years ago

We're using Twilio. Overall they may not be the cheapest, but I can offer each of my clients a dedicated local SMS number rather than a shared short code and I pay only $1.00 per month for that with Twilio.

So far, no one has complained about not having a short code. In fact, having a dedicated number eliminates the problems of limited numbers of keywords. Since I can offer each new client their own local dedicated SMS number, I can allow them to use any keywords they want, for any functions we can program for them. If my clients want a toll-free number, I can get those through Twilio for just $2.00 a month.

Inbound SMS messages are 1 cent each with Twilio, and 2 cents for outbound. Maybe not the cheapest for huge volume of texts, but that price is for any volume, even just one or two messages. Most of my clients don't do huge volumes anyhow, so with my markup, it's still cheap for them.

My programmers found their API very easy to use. We've written full-featured SMS-based interactive apps in just a few hours.

Plus Twilio offers a bunch of other features related to voice calls, and they give out free $30.00 credit.

No, I have no affiliation with Twilio, other than being a very happy customer.

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thattori

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

We're using Twilio. Overall they may not be the cheapest, but I can offer each of my clients a dedicated local SMS number rather than a shared short code and I pay only $1.00 per month for that with Twilio.

So far, no one has complained about not having a short code. In fact, having a dedicated number eliminates the problems of limited numbers of keywords. Since I can offer each new client their own local dedicated SMS number, I can allow them to use any keywords they want, for any functions we can program for them. If my clients want a toll-free number, I can get those through Twilio for just $2.00 a month.

Inbound SMS messages are 1 cent each with Twilio, and 2 cents for outbound. Maybe not the cheapest for huge volume of texts, but that price is for any volume, even just one or two messages. Most of my clients don't do huge volumes anyhow, so with my markup, it's still cheap for them.

My programmers found their API very easy to use. We've written full-featured SMS-based interactive apps in just a few hours.

Plus Twilio offers a bunch of other features related to voice calls, and they give out free $30.00 credit.

No, I have no affiliation with Twilio, other than being a very happy customer.

How is Twillo campaign manager, can it handle several campaign from diff. clients, or are you using your own campaign manager to managing all your clients.
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scotth

13 years ago

Does anyone have feedback on this company avidmobile.com I briefly talked to a guy but will continue conversation tomorrow.

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frontrunner1 13 years ago

Originally Posted by scotth

Does anyone have feedback on this company avidmobile.com I briefly talked to a guy but will continue conversation tomorrow.

Looked at their website ... interesting ... any idea re. costs to get setup and/or cost of SMS message credits?
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  Looked at their website ... interesting ... any idea re. costs to get setup and/or cost of SMS message credits?
  
  No not yet...will be talking to him tomorrow..I will post the info.
  
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Lee M

13 years ago

Originally Posted by scotth

Does anyone have feedback on this company avidmobile.com I briefly talked to a guy but will continue conversation tomorrow.

Here's the inside scoop. Very FEW text message providers that you will look into will be the ACTUAL SOURCE. In most cases, they are simply a reseller, in which case, you don't want to deal with them.

For example, when I look at Avid Mobile, or should I say the screen shot they have on their website under Agencies/Resellers I can tell that it belongs to a company called Qwasi. They have "white label" software. However, you'll have to call them and ask for a "demo" to see it. If you get that far, then you'll see what I mean. i.e. Qwasi is the source. Mobile Marketing, Mobile Commerce & Mobile Consulting by QWASI

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scotth

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lee M

Here's the inside scoop. Very FEW text message providers that you will look into will be the ACTUAL SOURCE. In most cases, they are simply a reseller, in which case, you don't want to deal with them.

For example, when I look at Avid Mobile, or should I say the screen shot they have on their website under Agencies/Resellers I can tell that it belongs to a company called Qwasi. They have "white label" software. However, you'll have to call them and ask for a "demo" to see it. If you get that far, then you'll see what I mean. i.e. Qwasi is the source. Mobile Marketing, Mobile Commerce & Mobile Consulting by QWASI

Thanks for the heads up...its a jungle out there in the SMS world.

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frontrunner1 13 years ago

Originally Posted by scotth

Thanks for the heads up...its a jungle out there in the SMS world.

Scott -

Can't PM anybody (not enough posts) but have a proposal for you re. Trumpia if you would be willing to contact me at: rick at frontrunner-enterprises dot com ... thanks!!!

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frontrunner1

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lee M

Here's the inside scoop. Very FEW text message providers that you will look into will be the ACTUAL SOURCE. In most cases, they are simply a reseller, in which case, you don't want to deal with them.

For example, when I look at Avid Mobile, or should I say the screen shot they have on their website under Agencies/Resellers I can tell that it belongs to a company called Qwasi. They have "white label" software. However, you'll have to call them and ask for a "demo" to see it. If you get that far, then you'll see what I mean. i.e. Qwasi is the source. Mobile Marketing, Mobile Commerce & Mobile Consulting by QWASI

REALLY appreciate the insider info ... in addition to Qwasi, what other "actual sources" that you know about offer "white label" software?

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amulektwo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by scotth

Does anyone have feedback on this company avidmobile.com I briefly talked to a guy but will continue conversation tomorrow.

That is the company that i am using for my sms services...Their platform is so easy to use and they have some really good training...also they have so sales presentations that are proven to work since their salesman are using them themselves...im really happy with them...hope this helps

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BizGrabbers

12 years ago

No one ever talks about the Terms of Service and the Privacy Policies. I recommend you read every word in both of those documents for every provider you are considering.

I thought I had finally found the best provider but when I got ready to move forward with them, I read those docs for them and it was really a big let-down for me. I wouldn't touch their service with a 10 foot pole after reading their Terms and Privacy. It was a bummer for me.

Do your due diligence and don't get started using a provider that could present BIG problems for you in the future.

AND don't just sign the agreement without reading it carefully, too.

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cybernet

12 years ago

can you be more specific? What exactly did you dislike when yo read TOS?

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No one ever talks about the Terms of Service and the Privacy Policies. I recommend you read every word in both of those documents for every provider you are considering.

I thought I had finally found the best provider but when I got ready to move forward with them, I read those docs for them and it was really a big let-down for me. I wouldn't touch their service with a 10 foot pole after reading their Terms and Privacy. It was a bummer for me.

Do your due diligence and don't get started using a provider that could present BIG problems for you in the future.

AND don't just sign the agreement without reading it carefully, too.

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BizGrabbers

12 years ago

Originally Posted by cybernet

can you be more specific? What exactly did you dislike when yo read TOS?

Here are some examples:

During the Term of this Agreement, Partner shall not procure and shall not be provided, directly or indirectly, with products and/or services which are similar to the products and services provided by [the provider] in accordance with this Agreement.

[The Provider] may terminate these Terms of Use or any activity or other use of the services provided by [the provider] under these Terms of Use and through [the provider] website, at will, upon 1 week's written notice. You may terminate the use of the services provided by [the provider] under these Terms of Use at any time upon 1 month's written notice.

By scrapping, updating, creating, uploading, or otherwise submitting any information, data, text, photographs, graphics, messages or other materials ("Your Content"), you grant [the provider] a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and license to use, sell, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display Your Content (in whole or in part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed

The term "powered by [the provider]" will appear prominently on all pages of the sites created and\or operated in accordance with this Agreement. This was even though this was being presented as a white label service.

that [the provider] may disclose the fact that Partner is a customer of [the provider] to its existing and potential customers and in general marketing materials related to the SaaS.

Is that enough?

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Izesta

12 years ago

Originally Posted by BizGrabbers

Here are some examples:

During the Term of this Agreement, Partner shall not procure and shall not be provided, directly or indirectly, with products and/or services which are similar to the products and services provided by [the provider] in accordance with this Agreement.

[The Provider] may terminate these Terms of Use or any activity or other use of the services provided by [the provider] under these Terms of Use and through [the provider] website, at will, upon 1 week's written notice. You may terminate the use of the services provided by [the provider] under these Terms of Use at any time upon 1 month's written notice.

By scrapping, updating, creating, uploading, or otherwise submitting any information, data, text, photographs, graphics, messages or other materials ("Your Content"), you grant [the provider] a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive and fully sub-licensable right and license to use, sell, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, create derivative works from, distribute, perform and display Your Content (in whole or in part) worldwide and/or to incorporate it in other works in any form, media, or technology now known or later developed

The term "powered by [the provider]" will appear prominently on all pages of the sites created andor operated in accordance with this Agreement. This was even though this was being presented as a white label service.

that [the provider] may disclose the fact that Partner is a customer of [the provider] to its existing and potential customers and in general marketing materials related to the SaaS.

Is that enough?

This is repulsive, especially the "powered by" crap. That is a no-no in any situation where you are paying for the service. No more free advertising once people are paying a fair price.

By the way, any reason you can't mention who this is ?

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johnyk 12 years ago

Many providers have such or similar requirements. I also suggest reading TOS completly before signing anything.

Anyway, my experience was great with CS Networks SMS Gateway.

Pricing is fair, quality is good, and support is outstanding. They were helping me configure SMS encoding, and besides of guiding me through everything, support engineer logged in to my server configured everything for me in about 5 minutes.
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BizGrabbers

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

This is repulsive, especially the "powered by" crap. That is a no-no in any situation where you are paying for the service. No more free advertising once people are paying a fair price.

By the way, any reason you can't mention who this is ?

Sorry, I didn't see this post until today.

They have changed "some" of the wording, but here it is as of today (the link to their Terms of Use):

MobeeStudio - Terms of Use - MobeeArt -The Art of Mobile Web!

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13 years ago

I've been grinding through this for a few days...

There's this Reseller SMS | White Label SMS | Wholesale SMS Reseller Pricing that looks like they're based in for Australia

I think Tropo might work well also since you're international and Twilio doesn't currently support international International FAQ | Twilio Cloud Communications but it's not turnkey. I'm really on the fence right now between Trilio and Tropo. I think I'm going with Twilio for now since they have OpenVBX and subaccounts which gives you a good start (have not tried/installed it yet) but I think Tropo is much more robust. If you deal with businesses that use SIP you can integrate that with Tropo but not Twilio (yet)

ref:
Twilio Releases OpenVBX, An Open Source Google Voice For Businesses
Get Satisfaction - People Powered Customer Service
Get Satisfaction - People Powered Customer Service

On a side note, there's also Active Collab which can integrate with OpenVBX (Twilio) which looks awesome

YouTube - ActiveCollab Plugin for OpenVBX

especially if you outsource a lot.

There's also Teleku that Tropo just acquired https://www.tropo.com/telekufaq/home.jsp and they worked on a interface called OpenVoice with Tropo. OpenVoice

Here's a cool example of using Twitter and automatically responding to a user - wicked powerful stuff...
YouTube - voxeovideos's Channel

It's obviously boatloads more work since you have to build it but I think it's a great long-term solution since you can modify it to create something unique if you have to. These are still pretty young solutions (2008/2009) but I've talked to a couple of business owners that are hot about it since they're relatively young and "get" the value of mobile.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Quentin

So I have done a lot with Mobile Websites but now I am finding clients asking about SMS.

I am sure others are starting to see the same so where do you get the best SMS provider or can we develop our own. Where would we get the best wholesale sms.

So many people talking about so much a month but I thought SMS were per unit so if you charge $50 a month how many sms is that.

Can you tell me everything you know about SMS as I am sure it is not write a text message like one of the recent product releases said.

Setting up clients - do you use separate accounts or is there a provider that will let you have different accounts for different customers manageable in one interface.

Is desktop software or web based better?

Lots of questions but not many answers and the answers we are getting are a little strange so we need answers in Laymen's terms.

Articles, videos or just text answers are all appreciated.

Quentin

Here is a PDF I got from avidmobile.com with some good info.

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MarthaD.

13 years ago

Just posted this in another thread but thought I'd repeat it here as well. So far I like EZTexting.com - easy to understand with their video tutorials, "pay & go" option sounds good for any customers who may not yet have a very big data base of phone #'s, has affiliate program and possibly a reseller program. No contracts, can cancel or change plans at anytime, can import and export contacts, uses smtt - all in all, seems like a good fit for me, at least for now.

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13 years ago

Hi Quentin,
if you're looking for an API for Bulk SMS messaging
among other options I can recommend
Clickatell Bulk SMS Gateway

They have been around for years and offer many benefits besides
outbound SMS like two-way etc.
I don't know exactly how the pricing per sent message compares to
other providers but I estimate they are pretty competitive given their size.
You can check out the rates at their site.

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cchipster

13 years ago

.05 a sent text is kinda high tho isnt it? What if I want to white label and give control panels to my clients? That could stack up fast!

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Originally Posted by cchipster

.05 a sent text is kinda high tho isnt it?

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13 years ago

Qwasi is more spendy than the others ... made for a full turnkey system... not for the little guys. Just spoke to them

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I just got an email from Qwasi and they're absolutely out of the ballpark, pricewise. They're for the 'big guys', definitely not me.
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  I just got an email from Qwasi and they're absolutely out of the ballpark, pricewise. They're for the 'big guys', definitely not me.
  
  There are much cheaper, very professional services that are good for 'big guys' and 'little guys'.
  
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- adlene 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by msdobe
  
  I just got an email from Qwasi and they're absolutely out of the ballpark, pricewise. They're for the 'big guys', definitely not me.
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  can you please post their prices ? monthly charges and set up fee ..etc.
  
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  can you please post their prices ? monthly charges and set up fee ..etc.
  
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internetPro 13 years ago

Originally Posted by cchipster

Qwasi is more spendy than the others ... made for a full turnkey system... not for the little guys. Just spoke to them

what is the investment with them or what are they offering
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adlene

13 years ago

SO from what i red here so far the best solution available is with avidmobile . one itchy thing about it some said they are not the source , qwasi is the source and the source prices are not for little guys so avidmobile is the way to go so far .
please share your experience or advice .

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by adlene

SO from what i red here so far the best solution available is with avidmobile . one itchy thing about it some said they are not the source , qwasi is the source and the source prices are not for little guys so avidmobile is the way to go so far .
please share your experience or advice .

Adlene - Think I can shed some light on the confusion ... pls email me at: rick [at] frontrunner-enterprises [dot] com as I do NOT have enough posts to sen PM's ... thanks. Rick

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by frontrunner1

Adlene - Think I can shed some light on the confusion ... pls email me at: rick [at] frontrunner-enterprises [dot] com as I do NOT have enough posts to sen PM's ... thanks. Rick

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littleangle

13 years ago

The plethora of providers has been somewhat overwhelming. I did find TXT180 to have what I personally (with limited knowledge of course) wanted. SMPP, shortcode, EASY Cpanel, tutorials and low costs. worth checking out maybe. Also no contract or commitment so if I don't like it I just move on. Oh, one other thing I really liked was that you can get 500 credits for $9.95 (includes 1 keyword) which like most providers I checked do NOT rollover, however they offer different additional bulk packages that DO roll over just so you can cover yourself....

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by littleangle

The plethora of providers has been somewhat overwhelming. I did find TXT180 to have what I personally (with limited knowledge of course) wanted. SMPP, shortcode, EASY Cpanel, tutorials and low costs. worth checking out maybe. Also no contract or commitment so if I don't like it I just move on. Oh, one other thing I really liked was that you can get 500 credits for $9.95 (includes 1 keyword) which like most providers I checked do NOT rollover, however they offer different additional bulk packages that DO roll over just so you can cover yourself....

just checked TXT180 and they seem very promising need to dig a little more to be sure it's the one.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by adlene

just checked TXT180 and they seem very promising need to dig a little more to be sure it's the one.

I have an ignorant, new-guy question: So the general idea of using a service like txt180 for clients is to basically just use their affiliate program to pull down $50-$100? Or resell the service for more money?

Just curious how this all works....

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by mavericx

I have an ignorant, new-guy question: So the general idea of using a service like txt180 for clients is to basically just use their affiliate program to pull down $50-$100? Or resell the service for more money?

Just curious how this all works....

Well for me I just create and manage clients campaigns using an sms platform like txt180 .we get to go step by step first manage clients thru a sms provider mean while dig for the best reseller and white label program for next step when your business grow you can license and white label and have your own mobile platform and from there take of.

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13 years ago

Actually they will be offering up a reseller program sometime next week. I'll have to go back into my emails but somewhere I signed up for the early notification here on the forum. For now however, I'm using the $9.95 plan w/500 texts and keyword (included) to use with my customers.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by littleangle

Actually they will be offering up a reseller program sometime next week. I'll have to go back into my emails but somewhere I signed up for the early notification here on the forum. For now however, I'm using the $9.95 plan w/500 texts and keyword (included) to use with my customers.

Looks like a nice system - only thing is it does not work with Cricket (too big a company to ignore) - not sure why, but message comes back "Cricket is not participating in this system at this time" mmm.

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13 years ago

I have a PDF titled How to Choose Your SMS Provider that I would be happy to share with anyone if you PM or email me. It has about 15 questions you should have answered before you choose an SMS provider or white label solution. Many times, providers use advertised rates that look great but the fine print reveals additional fees (incoming messages, shared Keywords, premium Keywords, express delivery, API access, etc). Making a fully informed decision is the best thing!

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13 years ago

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I have a PDF titled How to Choose Your SMS Provider that I would be happy to share with anyone if you PM or email me. It has about 15 questions you should have answered before you choose an SMS provider or white label solution. Many times, providers use advertised rates that look great but the fine print reveals additional fees (incoming messages, shared Keywords, premium Keywords, express delivery, API access, etc). Making a fully informed decision is the best thing!

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Pmac721 13 years ago

I would be interested in your pdf report on selecting an SMS provider...I don't have 50 posts so I can't PM you....my email is kiramedia at comcast dot net

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by EatDrinkTextJay

I have a PDF titled How to Choose Your SMS Provider that I would be happy to share with anyone if you PM or email me. It has about 15 questions you should have answered before you choose an SMS provider or white label solution. Many times, providers use advertised rates that look great but the fine print reveals additional fees (incoming messages, shared Keywords, premium Keywords, express delivery, API access, etc). Making a fully informed decision is the best thing!

Hi, I don't have enough posts to PM or use Visitor Msg and I don't see an email listed in your profile, but I would really be grateful if you would send me the report. My email is mandsglobal at g mail dot com.
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12 years ago

Hello guys! I guess I will be the one who is going to restart this topic this 2012, my best SMS provider would be txt180. This is by far the most stable and reliable provider I have come to think about. I have been through several SMS provider but only with txt180 I have establish long term venture. I must say you better check it out to learn for your self how they differ from other providers. Click on my signature to find out.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by James Leutner

Hello guys! I guess I will be the one who is going to restart this topic this 2012, my best SMS provider would be txt180. This is by far the most stable and reliable provider I have come to think about. I have been through several SMS provider but only with txt180 I have establish long term venture. I must say you better check it out to learn for your self how they differ from other providers. Click on my signature to find out.

Wow. First post and you're promoting the affiliate links in your signature. Good job.

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It wasn't my intentions to be honest. It just so happen I bump into this topic on google. I cant create links in the dialog box so I use my signature. Isn't the topic "give me the best sms provider"? I have not violated the forum rule, did I?

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mamiesdalt 10 years ago

Is twillo open source and commercial usage friendly. Can I use it for my clients sites?
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13 years ago

I firmly believe using a campaign manager with Twilio is the way to go. I've been doing it for local businesses for a while, and just recently decided to open up my platform for others to use.

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homesinfo 11 years ago

Please provide us with (the source) of platform that you use. Thank you.
At the end we all want to have our own private label for a reasonable price so we can turn around and provide value services to small business. Can someone please reply with the latest on this subject? I just found it after a search on SMS service provider and realized that this tread is about over 1 year old. I appreciate any replies and feedback. Thanks
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adlene

13 years ago

found this one looks very promising and interesting SMS Reseller | Mobile Marketing Business Opportunity | Text Message Advertising | TextCo Media anyone have experience with them?
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by adlene

found this one looks very promising and interesting SMS Reseller | Mobile Marketing Business Opportunity | Text Message Advertising | TextCo Media anyone have experience with them?
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how much are theyh

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13 years ago

TextCo Media built their own software ... and it's built upon the "DotGo" platform. Kind of like what AdKing did. In fact, at one point, TextCo was a distributor for AdKing.

P.S. I have compiled extensive information on 24 SMS companies offering White Label software. The "obvious" companies like Trumpia, EZTexting, etc., have been mentioned -- however, the great majority of these companies fly under the radar. What you see pop up in a google search for "text messaging companies" only yields the obvious, as well as a lot of resellers.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Lee M

TextCo Media built their own software ... and it's built upon the "DotGo" platform. Kind of like what AdKing did. In fact, at one point, TextCo was a distributor for AdKing.

P.S. I have compiled extensive information on 24 SMS companies offering White Label software. The "obvious" companies like Trumpia, EZTexting, etc., have been mentioned -- however, the great majority of these companies fly under the radar. What you see pop up in a google search for "text messaging companies" only yields the obvious, as well as a lot of resellers.

Could you share your list of 24 SMS companies that you are referring to? Thanks!

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adlene 13 years ago

Originally Posted by internetPro

how much are theyh

wondering about same question seems no body have a clear answer .
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andreib 13 years ago

if anyone is still interested in a full access, white label, sms text messiging reseller account, that has everything from mobile websites to qr codes built in let me know - andrei [at] kayzoe [dot] com
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dlfwarinc 13 years ago

I Looked at the pricing and to be able to capture any leads at all will cost you $150/month, plus most shortcodes that I checked availability for are already taken. Looked pretty good until started really checking into it.
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mouseffects

13 years ago

The problem as I see it with text plans that have a max number of messages per month included in the original fee is that the purpose of selling the plan is to have your customer use it as much as possible. Similar to cellphone plans, if you have an unlimited plan, you'll use the phone. If you get worried about minutes you tend to be hesitant. If customers are like that, they won't use the plan; therefore, won't find it as appealing.

Another pitfall is that if you send one message to 100 subscribers, that equates to 100 messages you pay for or that are subtracted from your monthly allotment; not just one. So, if a customer gets a 300 message account and has 100 subscribers, they can only send messages 3 times per month. Also, as they bring on more subscribers, they can send less messages per month without going over their plan's max which is detrimental to the whole marketing plan.

I've found that customers who use the system a lot tend to stay around. Those who don't, don't. Limiting their ability to message is not a good thing.

Think of email autoresponders. They do not limit the monthly messages. They charge based on the number of subscribers within the system. Why would text messaging be any different?

And, I've found that when you can tell your customer they can send messages any time they want, the perception is that it's worth more per month so we get to charge more per account.

We've built a white label system that I call "generic labeled" and there are a few of us (companies) using the same system for our customers. This way we can pool together and reach higher numbers and obtain discounts that are typically reserved for the "big guys". This allows us NOT to have to spend per message, per customer or per anything else and we can charge what we want to our customers (And, each customer has their own login area and stats).

Some of you may want to consider doing the same thing. Together everyone is stronger (just like this forum). Sharing support is always good too because there's no such thing as a Newbie because we all help one another.

It's not rocket science... it's just good business.

Oh, yeah... one more thing. A SMS system IS a pure text message system. A SMTP system isn't really one.

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FreeBird85

13 years ago

Hey mouseffects I definitely agree with the pricing thing. I charge my customers a flat fee up to 100 subscribers, then an additional charge per customer. What the additional charge covers is 8 texts (an opt-in, a reply, an opt-out, a confirmation opt out message, and average 4 monthly messages, one a week). That's my total estimated cost of a subscriber. I usually end up charging anywhere from 40-50 cents a month extra per subscriber depending on the type of business I'm helping out. So far it seems to be working out very well for me.

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msdobe

13 years ago

Sorry for the delay getting back, but my computer has been down.
Adlene wrote

can you please post their prices ? monthly charges and set up fee ..etc.

regarding Qwasi.

It's thousands of dollars. What they do is set up reselling companies.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by msdobe

Sorry for the delay getting back, but my computer has been down.
Adlene wrote
regarding Qwasi.

It's thousands of dollars. What they do is set up reselling companies.
Jenny

thought so , well i guess admobile is the way to go for white label and txt180 is the ay to go for someone just want to manage his clients him self

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msdobe 13 years ago

I found out Qwasi sells shortcodes, which, of course is very expensive, but they do have a reseller program. Here's the info.

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13 years ago

Fortunately, with Twilio, you don't have to get into the hassle of monthly pricing plans or run into limitations on keywords and the like.

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Quentin

13 years ago

I think I will try Twillo and their Open VBX software and let you know how I go.

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Originally Posted by Quentin

I think I will try Twillo and their Open VBX software and let you know how I go.

Quentin

Hi Quentin.

So how has this been going for you so far?

Also I found this:
why-choose-tropo-over-twili/

(we know that fake reviews out there so I don't know what to make of it, but they do show some comparisons that make you go mmmm)
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Quentin

I think I will try Twillo and their Open VBX software and let you know how I go.

Quentin

Have you had any luck getting this up and running
I am a noobie when it comes to website upload things. I have dl the vbx and I am trying to understand how to make it work , but not much luck
Any help would be appreciated
Rick:confused:

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I have been messing with the VBX for about 3 hours and so far I can't get it do a darn thing. Not much documentation other than the videos on youtube on how to use it.
The install is quite easy really and I built a call flow but can't get it to do anything.

I plan on using Twilio but need a front end and management system. I was hoping to use OpenVBX and still might.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by rickstopfive

Have you had any luck getting this up and running
I am a noobie when it comes to website upload things. I have dl the vbx and I am trying to understand how to make it work , but not much luck
Any help would be appreciated
Rick:confused:

I haven't tried Twilio yet, but I saw videos on Youtube taking you trough the installation process. I would start there.

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13 years ago

Hello all!

My name is Michelle DeForest, and I am Director of Marketing at DOTGO. We came across this forum and thought we'd jump in and see if we can answer any of your questions about DOTGO or SMS in general.

Ask away and we'll do our best to respond!

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TonyPatti

13 years ago

Thanks for stopping by Michelle! I've got quite a few questions for you but I'll start with just a few.

1. Can the new DOTGO Publisher take the place of the interfaces that resellers like Brandel and DKText developed? Not that I don't like or appreciate either reseller's system but I want complete transparency between my digital agency and the vendors I use. I was somewhat turned off of Brandel's offering because they make no effort to disclose they are using DOTGO.

2. For pure SMS messaging - is the Brandel offer of unlimited, un-metered messaging no longer possible or feasible when using DOTGO as the backend provider?

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by TonyPatti

1. Can the new DOTGO Publisher take the place of the interfaces that resellers like Brandel and DKText developed? Not that I don't like or appreciate either reseller's system but I want complete transparency between my digital agency and the vendors I use. I was somewhat turned off of Brandel's offering because they make no effort to disclose they are using DOTGO.

Not yet. We have a new Reseller API that lets you manage accounts, enable and disable services, and soon will even be able to let you launch DOTGO Publisher from your website. But DOTGO Publisher doesn't have any interface for a reseller to manage their accounts, so the code/website for creating accounts and billing users has to be developed by you.

The way we see it though is that even as DOTGO Publisher evolves to provide a reseller interface, there will still be a place for other tools. We think we know how to build a great general-purpose tool, but don't claim to know how to built the best tool for your customers. For example, we have a reseller who has integrated DOTGO into their enterprise CMS for radio stations, and as such their interface is completely different from the one we offer since it is tailored specifically for radio station DJs.

Originally Posted by TonyPatti

2. For pure SMS messaging - is the Brandel offer of unlimited, un-metered messaging no longer possible or feasible when using DOTGO as the backend provider?

"Interactive" messaging (i.e. a user texts to your domain name and gets back an immediate message) is free up to around 1MPS. For broadcasting from your domain we currently offer three messaging plans our website under "Publishers" > "Pricing", and have higher volume plans as well. We do have an unlimited messaging plan, but that really only makes sense if you're pushing millions of messages per month from your domain.

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Izesta

13 years ago

Originally Posted by DOTGO

Hello all!

My name is Michelle DeForest, and I am Director of Marketing at DOTGO. We came across this forum and thought we'd jump in and see if we can answer any of your questions about DOTGO or SMS in general.

Ask away and we'll do our best to respond!

Best,

Michelle

Michelle, as a Dotgo reseller, would we and the client have access to the phone numbers of subscribers? I keep reading that only Dotgo would have access. Hoping that has changed.

As a suggestion, if a reseller needs to have a coder build a back office control panel so that end-user clients can self-manage, perhaps it would behoove Dotgo to be able to refer a source of someone who can build that platform. Would benefit everyone.

What are the reseller costs?

Lastly, what would you say are the real benefits of using Dotgo over the competition?

Thanks Michelle.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

Michelle, as a Dotgo reseller, would we and the client have access to the phone numbers of subscribers? I keep reading that only Dotgo would have access. Hoping that has changed.

Hi Izesta,

DOTGO doesn't pass the phone number in order to prevent spam. If DOTGO did, then a user could opt out from a domain name, but the domain name could continue to send the user messages via another channel. However, DOTGO does allow you to fully track users using "Session Variables," which work like server-side cookies, and we have an concept of "registration" and "following" together with an API so that you can opt-in users and send them messages whenever you need to.

Originally Posted by Izesta

As a suggestion, if a reseller needs to have a coder build a back office control panel so that end-user clients can self-manage, perhaps it would behoove Dotgo to be able to refer a source of someone who can build that platform. Would benefit everyone.

Yes, absolutely. We do have some developers that we can refer you to, but we're also working on forums and a community hub where developers and resellers will be able to communicate with each other. We're also going to be announcing soon the ability to launch our graphical Publisher from your website so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel if you don't want to.

Originally Posted by Izesta

What are the reseller costs?

Our Reseller plan costs $199 a month, which gives you access to our Reseller API and lets you buy messaging plans at 50% retail.

Our current retail plans are:

$9.99/month: Unlimited interactive messaging, up to 1,000 broadcast messages/month
$49.99/month: Unlimited interactive messaging, up to 10,000 broadcast messages/month
$249.99/month: Unlimited interactive messaging, up to 100,000 broadcast messages/month

Interactive messaging means that a users texts you and gets back an immediate response (no opt-in). Broadcast means sending messages to a user who has opted in to your service. So as a reseller you'd be buying these plans at 50% off (e.g. $5 for up to 1000 messages/month), and then reselling them to your clients as you see fit.

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Lastly, what would you say are the real benefits of using Dotgo over the competition?

DOTGO is a better way of implementing text messaging services mainly in three ways:

1. Most importantly, DOTGO maps the first word of any text message sent to the phone number DOTCOM (368266) to the corresponding .com Internet domain name. For example, you can access a site like google.com by texting the word “google” to the phone number DOTCOM (368266). This means all 100 million Internet domain names now have an unambiguous way for their users to text them (as opposed to the random "text 'pizza' to 12345"). Users of .edu, .gov, .net, and .org domains can similarly use the phone numbers DOTEDU (368338), DOTGOV (368468), DOTNET (368638), and DOTORG (368674). This is a very different way to think about text messaging. This means that as a reseller you can go to a business and essentially offer them the ability to "turn on" text messaging for their existing domain name (though some resellers offer their clients sub-keywords on their own domain).

2. DOTGO uses the first and only markup language for text messaging, called CMRL. This makes building engaging and interactive and text messaging text messaging services much easier than what was previously possible. It also makes it easy to integrate with other software. To get a feel for how CMRL works, have a quick look at our document "A Brief Introduction to DOTGO" on dotgo.com under "Support" > "Documentation". And to see some examples, try texting e.g. "wheaties" to DOTCOM (368266) to see a promotion wheaties.com ran, or "foursquare" to DOTCOM (368266) to see an SMS interface to foursquare.com. (And our new DOTGO Publisher makes it easy to create sites graphically without having to learn CMRL).

3. Finally, DOTGO is (by a large factor) much more affordable than any other SMS service.

If you'd like to try out the new DOTGO Publisher or our Reseller API (coming out of private beta in about a week), I can send you (and anyone else on this thread who's interested) a coupon for a free month trial for either of these. Just email me at "m dot deforest at dotgo dot com" for details!

Hope this helps!

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Izesta

13 years ago

Originally Posted by DOTGO

Hi Izesta,

DOTGO doesn't pass the phone number in order to prevent spam. If DOTGO did, then a user could opt out from a domain name, but the domain name could continue to send the user messages via another channel. However, DOTGO does allow you to fully track users using "Session Variables," which work like server-side cookies, and we have an concept of "registration" and "following" together with an API so that you can opt-in users and send them messages whenever you need to.

Yes, absolutely. We do have some developers that we can refer you to, but we're also working on forums and a community hub where developers and resellers will be able to communicate with each other. We're also going to be announcing soon the ability to launch our graphical Publisher from your website so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel if you don't want to.

Our Reseller plan costs $199 a month, which gives you access to our Reseller API and lets you buy messaging plans at 50% retail.

Our current retail plans are:

$9.99/month: Unlimited interactive messaging, up to 1,000 broadcast messages/month
$49.99/month: Unlimited interactive messaging, up to 10,000 broadcast messages/month
$249.99/month: Unlimited interactive messaging, up to 100,000 broadcast messages/month

Interactive messaging means that a users texts you and gets back an immediate response (no opt-in). Broadcast means sending messages to a user who has opted in to your service. So as a reseller you'd be buying these plans at 50% off (e.g. $5 for up to 1000 messages/month), and then reselling them to your clients as you see fit.

DOTGO is a better way of implementing text messaging services mainly in three ways:

1. Most importantly, DOTGO maps the first word of any text message sent to the phone number DOTCOM (368266) to the corresponding .com Internet domain name. For example, you can access a site like google.com by texting the word "google" to the phone number DOTCOM (368266). This means all 100 million Internet domain names now have an unambiguous way for their users to text them (as opposed to the random "text 'pizza' to 12345"). Users of .edu, .gov, .net, and .org domains can similarly use the phone numbers DOTEDU (368338), DOTGOV (368468), DOTNET (368638), and DOTORG (368674). This is a very different way to think about text messaging. This means that as a reseller you can go to a business and essentially offer them the ability to "turn on" text messaging for their existing domain name (though some resellers offer their clients sub-keywords on their own domain).

2. DOTGO uses the first and only markup language for text messaging, called CMRL. This makes building engaging and interactive and text messaging text messaging services much easier than what was previously possible. It also makes it easy to integrate with other software. To get a feel for how CMRL works, have a quick look at our document "A Brief Introduction to DOTGO" on dotgo.com under "Support" > "Documentation". And to see some examples, try texting e.g. "wheaties" to DOTCOM (368266) to see a promotion wheaties.com ran, or "foursquare" to DOTCOM (368266) to see an SMS interface to foursquare.com. (And our new DOTGO Publisher makes it easy to create sites graphically without having to learn CMRL).

3. Finally, DOTGO is (by a large factor) much more affordable than any other SMS service.

If you'd like to try out the new DOTGO Publisher or our Reseller API (coming out of private beta in about a week), I can send you (and anyone else on this thread who's interested) a coupon for a free month trial for either of these. Just email me at "m dot deforest at dotgo dot com" for details!

Hope this helps!

Michelle

Thanks Michelle for that very thorough response.

I like what I have seen with Dotgo. I need/want something "out-of-the-box" so I can focus my time on marketing and getting clients. Not interested in coding and creating and developing as I am not a techie at all. Looking for a reliable white label solution where I can get moving.

You said, "..going to be announcing soon the ability to launch our graphical Publisher from your website so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel if you don't want to." I presume this refers to the graphical publisher interface you now have on the Dotgo site?" How soon do you envision? A nice feature would be the ability to have a demo or trial on my website.

Does the Dotgo TOS agreement clearly state that Dotgo will not use, sell, share the cell phone numbers of my subscribers with any third party - (you know the usual legalese)?

Can the Dotgo system allow a user to schedule SMS messages to be sent at a later date? What about doing polls, contests, etc.?

Thanks again Michelle. I hope you will continue to post Dotgo updates here.

Zesta

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zbw777

13 years ago

Originally Posted by DOTGO

Hi Izesta,

DOTGO doesn't pass the phone number in order to prevent spam. If DOTGO did, then a user could opt out from a domain name, but the domain name could continue to send the user messages via another channel.

While I guess I understand the logic, that seems overly controlling. As someone with extensive email marketing experience I have yet to ever see on reputable email marketing provider not provide the email list as a download option.

Same logic applies that I could use another system to spam the user, but then the onus would be on me as the offender.

In all reality, it seems like a policy created out of fear. Fear that customers will leave your system so you put every barrier in place to prevent that from happening, including the passing of opted-in phone numbers. That protectionist mentality likely turns off many people. I know that I would never work with a provider that would not allow me access to my data.

I'm sure that your system is very nice, but that is a major no go as far as I'm concerned. And I would suggest the same requirement to any marketer evaluating a service.

Just my two cents into the process.

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Izesta

13 years ago

Originally Posted by zbw777

While I guess I understand the logic, that seems overly controlling. As someone with extensive email marketing experience I have yet to ever see on reputable email marketing provider not provide the email list as a download option.

Same logic applies that I could use another system to spam the user, but then the onus would be on me as the offender.

In all reality, it seems like a policy created out of fear. Fear that customers will leave your system so you put every barrier in place to prevent that from happening, including the passing of opted-in phone numbers. That protectionist mentality likely turns off many people. I know that I would never work with a provider that would not allow me access to my data.

I'm sure that your system is very nice, but that is a major no go as far as I'm concerned. And I would suggest the same requirement to any marketer evaluating a service.

Just my two cents into the process.

Good point zbw777.

Opt out is always a voluntary compliance system. Even with email, if someone opts out, theoretically I could send them email from another account/isp and could continue to do that forever because I have their email address in my database.

Not having access to the subscribers is more unfair to the client than me.

It does appear Dotgo is taking a precaution that other major providers are not.

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13 years ago

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DavisDavis

13 years ago

The problem with using Twilio and OpenVBX, is that there is currently no way to schedule a campaign. You must either be at your computer to send the blasts personally every time, or get some sort of iPhone/Android app that you can schedule texts to be sent to your Twilio account that will trigger campaign messages (non of this seems practical or reliable). OpenVBX can do very little on its own as far a text messaging, however there are some plug-ins that can give you the ability to make an auto responder and opt-in op-out lists based on keywords. Unless you are comfortable programming, or can afford to hire somebody, OpenVBX is not accessible enough for the average Offline Marketer IMO.

I'm just using Trumpia for now. The prices are a little higher per text, but I don't think they charge for incoming opt-int or opt-out texts which helps. Also no setup fee, and managing keywords and campaigns is pretty straightforward. They also offer white box options, but I have not looked into it much yet.

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TWalker

13 years ago

I installed OpenVBX without problems. It is no different than a manual install of Wordpress (not fantastico install).

It works great and I believe it will be my platform.

$50 I will do an install provided your hosting account/server is appropriate for Twilio.

Check through all the apps that others have made on Twilio like restaurant seating notifications, the www.fakegirlfriend.co website. Amazing stuff. Actually fakegirlfriend wasn't as amazing as others but it was the one I remembered....

There was a caller ID spoof site that made big money and OpenVBX can do things like that...the skys the limit. Just be creative.

https://www.dinerconnection.com/
http://tablesready.com/
http://reminderwire.com/
http://umake.me/
http://lunchflock.com/

All OpenVBX Twilio apps and dozens more.
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Having said that I wish when people give reviews on really easy 3rd party services they would state whether the customer even gets access to the potential customers phone numbers. Or if the text provider has access.

You may be setting yourself up for a disaster. Why would use a platform which is just harvesting your customers phone numbers for themselves?

This is a very high priority for me to have control over the system.

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SirThomas

13 years ago

Originally Posted by TWalker

Check through all the apps that others have made on Twilio like restaurant seating notifications, the www.fakegirlfriend.co website. Amazing stuff. Actually fakegirlfriend wasn't as amazing as others but it was the one I remembered....

That is funny! Where do you find all the apps created?

Thomas

PS. Do they have an app for client management and scheduler?

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TWalker 13 years ago

Originally Posted by SirThomas

That is funny! Where do you find all the apps created?

Thomas

PS. Do they have an app for client management and scheduler?

Browse Twilio Applications | Twilio Cloud Communications

They let everyone post their apps up so some are not so great. But look through and you can see great ones.

I had often wondered if there was some kind drag and drop interface for say; Iphone apps or Android or even PC apps what I could come up with and this is that type system I imagined because I'm no coder.

I can see making a complete custom business phone answering system before lunch with this.

I guess its the wow factor for your customer when you tell tell them you can create their own custom application for phone/sms promotion.

There are other features in there that I would bet many don't offer. Example: The customer doesn't even need to text: They can simply call the number. It has many voice options since it is originally a voice based system.

Older folks don't text but they understand making a call and maybe getting a text back and reading it or they get a prerecorded message.

We have an older demographic here in the tourist town/real estate town I live in so I wouldn't mind covering all bases.

Client managment: I havn't got that far into it just a couple hours one night.

Client management I think would be done by having a seperate install for each client. Once I did one I could do another install in 30 minutes and then customization...hmmm...same as changing a logo in wordpress maybe.

Scheduler: Good question as someone said above there was no option for sceduling and that you needed to send a text? I don't know but I can't imagine there is not some option for this.

I'm definitely going to check that out because it is important.
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jpeguero

13 years ago

I liked Twilio too... but they don't support international.

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Jay Rhome

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jpeguero

I liked Twilio too... but they don't support international.

thx

Juan

Really? I haven't used them but I had got from their site that we COULD send SMS worldwide...

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DOTGO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

You said, "..going to be announcing soon the ability to launch our graphical Publisher from your website so that you don't have to reinvent the wheel if you don't want to." I presume this refers to the graphical publisher interface you now have on the Dotgo site?" How soon do you envision? A nice feature would be the ability to have a demo or trial on my website.

Yes, you would be able to embed the fully functional DOTGO Publisher. It will most likely be available by the end of May.

Originally Posted by Izesta

Does the Dotgo TOS agreement clearly state that Dotgo will not use, sell, share the cell phone numbers of my subscribers with any third party - (you know the usual legalese)?

Yes, we take security and privacy very seriously, and never reveal the phone numbers to any party.

Originally Posted by Izesta

Can the Dotgo system allow a user to schedule SMS messages to be sent at a later date? What about doing polls, contests, etc.?

With our system it's possible to compose and send a message immediately, or schedule it at any date/time in the future.

And yes, it's possible to author polls and contests with CMRL; people have built them before.

Thanks,

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Izesta

13 years ago

Originally Posted by DOTGO

Yes, you would be able to embed the fully functional DOTGO Publisher. It will most likely be available by the end of May.

Yes, we take security and privacy very seriously, and never reveal the phone numbers to any party.

With our system it's possible to compose and send a message immediately, or schedule it at any date/time in the future.

And yes, it's possible to author polls and contests with CMRL; people have built them before.

Thanks,

Michelle

Michelle, my partner & I are still planning.

The only major downfall I see with Dotgo is the inability to capture cell phone numbers of subscribers. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Without the subscriber data, if Dotgo tanks, me & all my clients tank. Or am I missing something?

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SolidSolutions

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

Michelle, my partner & I are still planning.

The only major downfall I see with Dotgo is the inability to capture cell phone numbers of subscribers. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Without the subscriber data, if Dotgo tanks, me & all my clients tank. Or am I missing something?

I personally DO NOT want the phone number. I DO NOT want my clients having the phone number. This helps take all liability off of me and put it on Dotgo. And, I doubt Dotgo would allow you to get the numbers because that increases their liability.

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manxman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SolidSolutions

I personally DO NOT want the phone number. I DO NOT want my clients having the phone number. This helps take all liability off of me and put it on Dotgo. And, I doubt Dotgo would allow you to get the numbers because that increases their liability.

I suppose there is some truth to this, but it does not answer the question, "What if I become unhappy with a supplier and want to move to a new SMS supplier? I lose ALL my customers."

Not all awesome companies continue to be awesome. DOTGO could be the best in the world today, but competition can change that. DOTGO could be sold to a new owner who just tries to financially gouge the clients that DOTGO carefully nurtured. And so on and so on.

I do not want to feel trapped.

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SolidSolutions

13 years ago

Originally Posted by manxman

I suppose there is some truth to this, but it does not answer the question, "What if I become unhappy with a supplier and want to move to a new SMS supplier? I lose ALL my customers."

Not all awesome companies continue to be awesome. DOTGO could be the best in the world today, but competition can change that. DOTGO could be sold to a new owner who just tries to financially gouge the clients that DOTGO carefully nurtured. And so on and so on.

I do not want to feel trapped.

Your thinking this through great! I actually experienced this exact situation when I went to DOTGO. I was using TextMarks. What we did was send out text messages through Textmarks letting people know to switch to the new code to continue receiving messages. This actually ended up being a benefit for us and the businesses...

There are various reasons as to why it happens, but this helps get your list updated...more accurate...more streamlined for those really wanting to continue getting the messages.

I don't think having the list is the best way to go for some reasons. Not having the list is not the best way to go for some reasons. We found it better not to have the list and we found benefit when it did come time to switch even though there is trade-off.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by SolidSolutions

Your thinking this through great! I actually experienced this exact situation when I went to DOTGO. I was using TextMarks. What we did was send out text messages through Textmarks letting people know to switch to the new code to continue receiving messages.

Dan. Thanks for the comments.

What % of clients actually did the switch?

When I had to do this with an email list, I sent out 2 message broadcasts letting people know we had to switch. Gave them the new signup site. Told them the bbenefits of switching.

10% switched

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SolidSolutions

13 years ago

Originally Posted by manxman

Dan. Thanks for the comments.

What % of clients actually did the switch?

When I had to do this with an email list, I sent out 2 message broadcasts letting people know we had to switch. Gave them the new signup site. Told them the bbenefits of switching.

10% switched

It was over a year ago and I did not record it nor do I remember. Must have been better than 10% though because I know it was a positive thing overall, even though we did end up with fewer subscribers for each business.

I would expect email to be a worse switchover rate though. A lot of it depends on the value of the content they are getting too. We put a lot into educating the businesses on providing "value" (not necessarily always some great offer). If people are getting value, they'll stay with it so long as the hurdles are not too cumbersome and often.

Dan

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TextWizardMarketing 11 years ago

Hi Twilio Expert- I came across your post : I can build a system better than Open VBX, I am a twilio expert and working from 3 years. I can play with twilio for any purpose.

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I am trying to set up a sms marketing business in the UK and would like a system integrated into my wp site whereby my clients would each have their own login and then be able to send & schedule their own messages whilst paying me a monthly subscription which I would use to ensure their was always sms credits available...the reminder would be my business costs/profits - I currently have around 20 clients who all are on various keywords and whom I send the messages out for using several different systems..Can you help with my requirements using twilio and at what cost please? Rodney... info at text wizards dot co dot uk
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TWalker

13 years ago

I forgot about Send Shorty SMS Services for your Business

They did a full Wordpress integration. Very nice work...a complete Open Source solution.

I wouldn't buy from sendshorty because I know how much cheaper I can buy texts. They mark it up 300-600% but nice wordpress solution.

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SirThomas

13 years ago

Do they use Twilio? looks like it...

That's what you want to have. What do you mean by "a complete Open Source"? are you talking about twilio or Send shorty guys?

Thomas

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eyesocialize 13 years ago

Is there a way to integrate email marketing with OpenVBX/twilio? I really want to learn more about using this for SMS etc. Anyone with advice etc. Please show me the way.

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Jay Moreno

13 years ago

am really liking twilio - for developers there is a lot flexibility - you could easily tie it into a wordpress or joomla and drupal

Someone mentioned a scheduler you can code that using php infact you can tie their system into any php source you put together, its much easier to use then some of the other sms gateways i have used before!

the more i read about twilio the more ideas i keep coming up with - what a great resource!

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13 years ago

If you are looking for a SMS platform that is ready to go, economical and easy to use, please check out the site in my signature!

I am also doing JVs / signing up account reps!

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jharr53301

13 years ago

I haven't seen anyone mention Call Fire - they have no minimums, no setup fees and no startup cost with a flat 3 cents per message no matter how few you send. I think I'm going to give them a try.

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TheLocalCoach 13 years ago

We also have a turn-key SMS white label solution that isn't built on top of another platform or gateway. Includes most of the features I see being requested often in Warrior at much lower prices. We have been selling Long Codes for 2 years, one of first in US to do so. Our platform works with both Short and Long Codes too. PM me for more information.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by jharr53301

I haven't seen anyone mention Call Fire - they have no minimums, no setup fees and no startup cost with a flat 3 cents per message no matter how few you send. I think I'm going to give them a try.

I've been using callfire for six years. They support all platforms and carriers nationwide. This is particularly important when you have clients with multiple locations such as fast food chains, franchises, etc and a mobile sales force. They do also have a white label option.

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13 years ago

Warriors...
The simple solution is for SMS is Just around the corner. We have been working on this for 7 plus months... Here is a quick breakdown...

$77 Gets you the Whole Enchilada Mobile Marketing In a Box...

Your own website too upload to your server...
Full Blown Training Site, Videos, Tutorials, Actual Letters Everything we already are using to build a huge client base in the Text arena.

For your initial $77 you will get 2 keywords at a Dedicated Shortcode- THIS IS NOT RESELLER OR WHITE LABEL...We Own the Code and the Platform.

You will get 5000 Texts Per month per Keyword....

All Additional Keywords are $47 per month with 5,000 Texts Overages are at 1.5 Cents per text...

If you are hooking up clients everywhere they have their own interface to log in and send their text messages... Most clients will Not use 5000 per month. You can charge them whatever you want per month..You keep the difference over $47 bucks a month per keyword.

You could have 100 clients that you are charging even 97.00 a month too, and clear 5k a month re-ocurring.

Lots More Bonus's included we are about 3 weeks from Launch...If you want more info, please PM me..

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13 years ago

Robert,

I can't PM yet.

I'm interested, send me details.

Regards.

Originally Posted by BrashImpact

Warriors...
The simple solution is for SMS is Just around the corner. We have been working on this for 7 plus months... Here is a quick breakdown...

$77 Gets you the Whole Enchilada Mobile Marketing In a Box...

Your own website too upload to your server...
Full Blown Training Site, Videos, Tutorials, Actual Letters Everything we already are using to build a huge client base in the Text arena.

For your initial $77 you will get 2 keywords at a Dedicated Shortcode- THIS IS NOT RESELLER OR WHITE LABEL...We Own the Code and the Platform.

You will get 5000 Texts Per month per Keyword....

All Additional Keywords are $47 per month with 5,000 Texts Overages are at 1.5 Cents per text...

If you are hooking up clients everywhere they have their own interface to log in and send their text messages... Most clients will Not use 5000 per month. You can charge them whatever you want per month..You keep the difference over $47 bucks a month per keyword.

You could have 100 clients that you are charging even 97.00 a month too, and clear 5k a month re-ocurring.

Lots More Bonus's included we are about 3 weeks from Launch...If you want more info, please PM me..

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13 years ago

Yes that's a risk of any white label is that dynamics may change over time so you must be diligent in choosing your white label provider. Trumpia tells all of our clients as a reseller you're looking at a minimum of 3-4 year commitment not contractual but simply because you don't want to change your platform, shortcode, etc unless you're absolutely forced to do so.

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10 years ago

Try Wrecking Ball SMS.
Its great. Combination of Long code and short code.
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10 years ago

Originally Posted by azhar

Try Wrecking Ball SMS.
Its great. Combination of Long code and short code.
I hope you will enjoy it.

The only issue with Wrecking Ball SMS is that they offer WAY to many bells and whistles.

Yes, at first glance it seems nice, but most local business owners will never really use half the features and it's pretty confusing trying to learn their platform.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by imsolutionsgroup

The only issue with Wrecking Ball SMS is that they offer WAY to many bells and whistles.

Yes, at first glance it seems nice, but most local business owners will never really use half the features and it's pretty confusing trying to learn their platform.

You don't have to give the client all the bells and whistles. You control what you want to give that client in there own dashboard. So that is not an issue.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by eyesocialize

You don't have to give the client all the bells and whistles. You control what you want to give that client in there own dashboard. So that is not an issue.

Agreed, but you're still paying the $67/month for all those bells and whistles... even if you hide them

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zbw777

13 years ago

While I think you were lucky Dan, I wouldn't make it a practice or strategy to just say, "Well, we can get them to re opt-in."

I would look for a provider that will allow you to export your information, along with time and date of opt-in for your records. That has been a major requirement of mine while searching.

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SolidSolutions

13 years ago

Originally Posted by zbw777

While I think you were lucky Dan, I wouldn't make it a practice or strategy to just say, "Well, we can get them to re opt-in."

I would look for a provider that will allow you to export your information, along with time and date of opt-in for your records. That has been a major requirement of mine while searching.

That's fine for you. If you want that requirement, great.

For me, I do not want the ability to get the information, and although it has drawbacks, they are not greater than the drawbacks of having the information for me. So, I have found benefit in not having the information and working with that...lucky or not.

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Izesta

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SolidSolutions

That's fine for you. If you want that requirement, great.

For me, I do not want the ability to get the information, and although it has drawbacks, they are not greater than the drawbacks of having the information for me. So, I have found benefit in not having the information and working with that...lucky or not.

You seem to place a lot of emphasis and importance on NOT having access to the subscribers.

What are all the benefits of NOT having the list that so outweigh the benefits of having it? I get the feeling I must be missing something big.

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SolidSolutions

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Izesta

You seem to place a lot of emphasis and importance on NOT having access to the subscribers.

What are all the benefits of NOT having the list that so outweigh the benefits of having it? I get the feeling I must be missing something big.

You probably are not missing something big.

I mentioned the liability aspect previously. That sums it up for me. I do not want to be responsible for having and protecting that information.

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SirThomas

13 years ago

Originally Posted by SolidSolutions

You probably are not missing something big.

I mentioned the liability aspect previously. That sums it up for me. I do not want to be responsible for having and protecting that information.

Let me guys tell you something about liability aspect of providing... any service.

I totally respect everyone's choice of action, but just to let you know, your liability might not end only because you choose NOT to have access to people's phone numbers...

A customer doesn't care where you decide to store their phone numbers or who you designate to protect them for you. If anything goes wrong (security breach/stolen data etc), you will more likely get sued right along with that "storage" company... you will be paying your attorneys and probably some more to your clients...

The funny (not really funny) part is, that you might be THE company hit by a lawsuit, not the service provider!

And to recover your losses, you might have to sue the provider yourself. Unfortunately, that's how it very often goes.

However, if your only worry is to have the data secured by a company like DOTGO, because they have better resources than you, then it's a good move. Just don't think that you're no longer liable for your customers' data, because you might be very surprised... just saying

Every time, any of us wants to re-sell some services under our name (white label, private label), we are opening ourselves to possible lawsuits, but that's a part of the game...

If you want to limit (or lower) your liability exposure, become an affiliate instead. Let your clients sign up directly with the service provider. Not perfect, but a little safer.

Thomas

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Actually, large accounts, particularly those with multiple sites, will want to know how well secured is the data.
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13 years ago

Originally Posted by SirThomas

Let me guys tell you something about liability aspect of providing... any service.

I totally respect everyone's choice of action, but just to let you know, your liability might not end only because you choose NOT to have access to people's phone numbers...

A customer doesn't care where you decide to store their phone numbers or who you designate to protect them for you. If anything goes wrong (security breach/stolen data etc), you will more likely get sued right along with that "storage" company... you will be paying your attorneys and probably some more to your clients...

The funny (not really funny) part is, that you might be THE company hit by a lawsuit, not the service provider!

And to recover your losses, you might have to sue the provider yourself. Unfortunately, that's how it very often goes.

However, if your only worry is to have the data secured by a company like DOTGO, because they have better resources than you, then it's a good move. Just don't think that you're no longer liable for your customers' data, because you might be very surprised... just saying

Every time, any of us wants to re-sell some services under our name (white label, private label), we are opening ourselves to possible lawsuits, but that's a part of the game...

If you want to limit (or lower) your liability exposure, become an affiliate instead. Let your clients sign up directly with the service provider. Not perfect, but a little safer.

Thomas

DO I EVER AGREE WITH THIS, never ever start working with a small company who offers cheap rates for txt messaging, yes its attractive but if they only have been doing this for a very short time and don't have a track record of success you can get burned. Per text cost means nothing. I would rather pay 4-5cents a message knowing that the company is trained and are proffessionals at handling their shortcodes, databases, outgoing, incoming messages and more.

Very risky to go with someone who just buys a shortcode slaps on a whitelabel and says... here you go launch your own company.

So many rules and regulations and stuff to look for. Should I buy a shortcode.. sure in the long run it might be cheaper, but I am no expert in shortcodes.. leave that to the company who has huge cashflow and a good standing business and who is well known in the industry.

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rice4u 13 years ago

OP, I suggest you look into iZigg mobile marketing. Their cheapest plan starting at $99/month (2k txt msg a month). If you are selling this plan to your client you will get 25% in commission. No contract, but best of all the short code for this company is 90210 which probably is the most recognizable short code of all sms company. Text "upyoursells" to 90210 and see what happen =)

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by OfflineMan

DO I EVER AGREE WITH THIS, never ever start working with a small company who offers cheap rates for txt messaging, yes its attractive but if they only have been doing this for a very short time and don't have a track record of success you can get burned. Per text cost means nothing. I would rather pay 4-5cents a message knowing that the company is trained and are proffessionals at handling their shortcodes, databases, outgoing, incoming messages and more.

Very risky to go with someone who just buys a shortcode slaps on a whitelabel and says... here you go launch your own company.

So many rules and regulations and stuff to look for. Should I buy a shortcode.. sure in the long run it might be cheaper, but I am no expert in shortcodes.. leave that to the company who has huge cashflow and a good standing business and who is well known in the industry.

My 2 cents...

I wholeheartedly agree (except the part about paying 4-5 cents), and the same applies to providers just recently jumping onto the Long Code bandwagon. I wouldn't want to bet my business on someone who hasn't been in the market and has a successful track record. And definitely a provider that has a complete audit trail and follows the Mobile Marketing Association's Best Practices.

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Izesta

13 years ago

Originally Posted by OfflineMan

DO I EVER AGREE WITH THIS, never ever start working with a small company who offers cheap rates for txt messaging, yes its attractive but if they only have been doing this for a very short time and don't have a track record of success you can get burned. Per text cost means nothing. I would rather pay 4-5cents a message knowing that the company is trained and are proffessionals at handling their shortcodes, databases, outgoing, incoming messages and more.

Very risky to go with someone who just buys a shortcode slaps on a whitelabel and says... here you go launch your own company.

So many rules and regulations and stuff to look for. Should I buy a shortcode.. sure in the long run it might be cheaper, but I am no expert in shortcodes.. leave that to the company who has huge cashflow and a good standing business and who is well known in the industry.

My 2 cents...

Agree OfflineMan.

Choosing a fly-by-night, set up yesterday provider is not for me. Far too much at risk. Not just my business but many others.

But it is a tough decision. So important not to make a bad call.

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13 years ago

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cybernet

13 years ago

i'm looking for sms whitelabel platform that will work in CANADA.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by cybernet

i'm looking for sms whitelabel platform that will work in CANADA.

any recommendations?

For one, check out Offlineman's offering. He posted 3 posts above yours. He lives in Canada as well. His white label is supposed to roll out in Canada any day now.

Another that contacted me was EatDrinkTextJay. (he also has a post not far above yours) He does not live in Canada but looks like he has an offering that covers us.

Also, user zbw777, who has a forum dedicated to mobile. (see his sig block in his post above)

There are others that say their offering will be available to Canadian companies soon.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by manxman

For one, check out Offlineman's offering. He posted 3 posts above yours. He lives in Canada as well. His white label is supposed to roll out in Canada any day now.

Another that contacted me was EatDrinkTextJay. (he also has a post not far above yours) He does not live in Canada but looks like he has an offering that covers us.

Also, user zbw777, who has a forum dedicated to mobile. (see his sig block in his post above)

There are others that say their offering will be available to Canadian companies soon.

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TheLocalCoach 13 years ago

We offer Canadian service at similar rates to US service. Only difference is we charge additional $10 for a one-time set up of Local Number for Canadian accounts. Otherwise, pricing is identical.
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javarog

13 years ago

looks as if with all the providers listed here I guess just pick one and go for it or does the old saying hold true "you get what you pay for" ?

It seems everyone has their favorite source and just a few stand out. At this point maybe I am just a little overwhelmed and my question would be which company would fit in for a newbie to the business and which one would be the least expensive to get started with?

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MarthaD.

13 years ago

Originally Posted by javarog

looks as if with all the providers listed here I guess just pick one and go for it or does the old saying hold true "you get what you pay for" ?

It seems everyone has their favorite source and just a few stand out. At this point maybe I am just a little overwhelmed and my question would be which company would fit in for a newbie to the business and which one would be the least expensive to get started with?

I'm not trying to be flip with this answer but really it's probably going to come down to whichever one you feel you can understand and feel comfortable in explaining to your prospects.
There are so many choices and all probably have some pluses and minuses - I'm still going over a few myself but in the end I think I prefer to just be an affiliate for the time being, maybe charge a set-up fee and let them handle it or give them the option to pay me to handle it for them.
Sorry, probably not the answer you're looking for but it does appear to be one of those things we all have to sort through for ourselves - with the help of this forum of course!

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OfflineMan 13 years ago

The hardest thing in this business is to find a good provider... and getting your own shortcode will cost anywhere from 2500-4000 startup plus 2500$ a month. I have tried many and it's a personal choice... In canada its way more expensive...

Finding the right supplier who is well funded and has been in the business for many years is the real key here. You don't want to have 100 of your clients on a shortcode and something happens to it! Risk is very, very big.. That's why I recommend going with a national well funded company, who tracks all outgoing messages so the code doesn't get banned for spamming or swearing. You need to watch out and take finding the right supplier very seriously.
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SirThomas

13 years ago

Sure, that's why, if you want to have a better security, you have to either invest in it or use a service provider's system.

However, you're still liable for any damages if anything goes wrong... That's all I'm saying.

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13 years ago

There's a lot of variables to factor in when going white label and eventhough most White Label Reseller platforms like Trumpia, do not force you into a contractual length of time for which you must stay with the company, you should anticipate to use the platform for at least 3-4 years.

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jdwolfe

13 years ago

This is a very interesting thread.

However, What I have read so far is that most of you are willing to step over a $100 bill to pick up 4.7 cents.

Sure, this a business and should be treated like one.

You want to save money and make the most profit, right?

Well, once again, stop stepping over $100 bills to pick up 4.7 cents and
begin to TAKE ACTION!

In the end the clients/customer pays...not you.

Just price your clients accordingly.

1) Mom & Pop Place...a certain price
2) Establisments with more customers...a different price

You decide what the price is and what the market will bear.

Remember...YOU are the only and "best text messaging service" in town,
and if you do not believe that...then go to work for McDonalds.

Now, get out there and start your sms texting business!

PS: I apologize in advance if my input offends anyone!

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by jdwolfe

This is a very interesting thread.

However, What I have read so far is that most of you are willing to step over a $100 bill to pick up 4.7 cents.

Sure, this a business and should be treated like one.

You want to save money and make the most profit, right?

Well, once again, stop stepping over $100 bills to pick up 4.7 cents and
begin to TAKE ACTION!

In the end the clients/customer pays...not you.

Just price your clients accordingly.

1) Mom & Pop Place...a certain price
2) Establisments with more customers...a different price

You decide what the price is and what the market will bear.

Remember...YOU are the only and "best text messaging service" in town,
and if you do not believe that...then go to work for McDonalds.

Now, get out there and start your sms texting business!

PS: I apologize in advance if my input offends anyone!

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Mmm - I tried to take action with that one - all I can say is Yikes!! I am glad I did not secure any clients with that system

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scotth

13 years ago

I am using Avidmobile paying $50 per month and 0.029 cents per message that price goes down the more bulk I buy.

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13 years ago

I am also looking for best information on this.

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13 years ago

I am using SMS Marketing Campaigns | Web Based | Mobile Advertising | Bulk SMS. They offer 100 free credits and a keyword as a trial.

Pay as you go at 3 cents, and if you go with one of their packages, you can save even more. So far they have been good to work with.

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13 years ago

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13 years ago

Do you find that business want a special keyword?

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13 years ago

Yes most businesses we will want their own keyword to encourage opt-in.

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Quentin

13 years ago

I ended up going with Yeez as well because they are not just SMS providers but marketers.

If you want to learn more about sms they hold regular tele seminars.

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lifeisgood7

13 years ago

thanks. now i am between dktext and yeez! i like dktext because i really liked the guy on the phone (micheal). he actually gave me some great ideas and he sound slike a great support person. plus dktext is offering me: $100 a month flat rate (resell rights: meaning i can sell their program to business owners) and $35 bucks for 10,000 text messages. i haven't found anything that beats that...
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lifeisgood7

13 years ago

why did you go with yeez at the end of the day?

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lifeisgood7

13 years ago

hmmm i just got their email. they have some awesome text services going on and like u said, they actually implement marketing in their services....

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BuyGiftsItems

13 years ago

There is another thread in this forum you might find useful, I commented quite a bit in there. $50 doesn't get you much at all, maybe 2 keywords and a thousand texts. You really get into high profit margins when you have someone willing to create a customized plan... You don't want to pay more than a penny a text. Most services will provide you with an account layout where you can manage each separate client you have signed up.

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lifeisgood7

13 years ago

ok after all the research... i went with lime celluar

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by lifeisgood7

ok after all the research... i went with lime celluar

Great choice.. their prices cannot be beat and the features are great.. the fact you don't have to pay a license fee every month is huge...

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TheLocalCoach

13 years ago

Lime Cellular is a good company, but its a little misleading to say they don't have a licensing fee. They have a $300/month minimum, whether you buy anything or not. While they don't call it a Licensing Fee, it amounts to the same, at least until you buy $300/month worth of services. We do have a licensing fee ($97/month), but it is offest by some launch bonuses we're running right now. Just want to make sure people understand that Lime has upfront costs for most mobile marketers starting out with SMS, as most don't walk in the door with enough clients to justfy $300/month.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by EatDrinkTextJay

Lime Cellular is a good company, but its a little misleading to say they don't have a licensing fee. They have a $300/month minimum, whether you buy anything or not. While they don't call it a Licensing Fee, it amounts to the same, at least until you buy $300/month worth of services. We do have a licensing fee ($97/month), but it is offest by some launch bonuses we're running right now. Just want to make sure people understand that Lime has upfront costs for most mobile marketers starting out with SMS, as most don't walk in the door with enough clients to justfy $300/month.

I guess it is your personal opinion. I think 300 per month, no upfront fees and true White Label is worth it because you can get 2 customers and already will pay off for the service and you make a profit....

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13 years ago

I've been using Trumpia for the past two month's and I've found their videos and webinars to be extremely helpful!

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TheLocalCoach 13 years ago

There are more than 100 Wireless Carriers in the U.S. alone, and every single Short Code must register and pay to get set up on each one. Most Short Codes ignore the smaller, regional carriers because its too costly and time-consuming (some even ignore huge carriers like Cricket!). In certain parts of the US, small carriers have fairly large market share and so most Short Codes (not all) have deliverability issues. That's why we advise our clients to get their own long code, and supplement with a Shared Short Code only for times when it would become an advantage. In our platform, you can use both Long Codes and Short Codes, but 98% of our small business clients never use Short Codes.
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13 years ago

What about
kannel dot org -Open Source for WAP and SMS Gateway.Or
playsms dot org - playSMS is a flexible Web-based Mobile Portal System that it can be made to fit to various services such as an SMS gateway, bulk SMS tools

Does anyone have experience with these? Feedback woule be appreciated.

Also has anyone thought about having a front end to Google voice. I know there are TOS against commercial use sms but if you have a front end to manage clients you can set each one up with their own Google voice account - may be a work around the TOS

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VirtualName

13 years ago

You can start your own white label solution with adking.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by VirtualName

You can start your own white label solution with adking.

VirtualName,

I looked at Adking's site and was curious about a couple of things. How come I have to use 2 keywords for customers to opt-in instead of just one like most "true" SMS providers.

I was also wondering why at the bottom of there website there is a disclaimer about the SMS might be pulled at anytime. If they do this what happens to the lists we have built up? Do they give us full access to move our lists if they yank the SMS out from under us?

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by zenyatta

VirtualName,

I looked at Adking's site and was curious about a couple of things. How come I have to use 2 keywords for customers to opt-in instead of just one like most "true" SMS providers.

I was also wondering why at the bottom of there website there is a disclaimer about the SMS might be pulled at anytime. If they do this what happens to the lists we have built up? Do they give us full access to move our lists if they yank the SMS out from under us?

Zenyatta, that's because adking is not using a system that they've created, they're using dotgo's system. They have to put that disclaimer in because if dotgo decided to stop their sms service, all of Adking's customers would be left in the dark without service and it would be nothing that Adking could do about it

. Check out dotgo's website at dotgo (.) com. Adking just built an entry system around dotgo. DKTEXT has done exactly the same thing. It's easy to build on top of dotgo. I've built 15 different systems all centered around dotgo's sms service. I've built a Twitter like app, mobile coupons, store locator, jobs, reminders, real estate, movie times, dating, games, etc... Dotgo has all the documentation for building applications with CMRL (Concise Message Routing Language). Check out the per message prices at Dotgo--$9.99 for 1,000 messages, $49.99 for 10,000. Also, look at the Short Codes for Adking and compare them to Dotgo. Short Codes: 368266, 368338, 368468, 368638, 368674. Dotgo charges $199 per month for their white label reseller program. When you sign up, you get all messages at 50% of cost. So those message prices that I quoted above would be cut in half. $125 for 100,000 messages. Oh and the list, the list that you build on their system would exist no more. With dotgo's system, you the publisher or your business customer would never get to see the list of phone numbers that subscribe to your service. The numbers are kept within the system to prevent spamming,at least that's what Dotgo says.

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Magnum1 12 years ago

I have found two providers that for me offer the best overall value/service.

Text180 offers a great white label program, has a nice back-end interface, and informative instructional videos for you and your clients. Their pricing is great at .02 or less per message. Only other fee is $295 per year for white label.

Other option I use is Twilio. Uses a phone number insead of short code number, but does not seem to be an issue. The great thing is that you have unlimited keyword availibility. $1 per month for local phone number and .02 per text.
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13 years ago

@ANS, can you please PM me. I would like to know everything about your white label platform you have. Thanks

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youname

13 years ago

Dear warrior
Could you suggest any way to reseller SMS service from US-Company ( example ) to client out side US .
Or the Text Service only availble within country specific?
I am rather new and some time confuse what the power and limitation of SMS network .

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Rafoel63

12 years ago

Quentin
I have been looking for the right SMS company too. Did you or anyone else here of ivision mobile
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JustinBrooke

12 years ago

IMO there's no better SMS service than CallLoop
they are like Aweber for mobile phones.

If you sync it up with their AutoTeleseminar service
it's like the perfect storm. CallLoop is the only way
to go.

Integrates with Aweber, InfusionSoft, & Nanacast also so you
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BizGrabbers

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JustinBrooke

IMO there's no better SMS service than CallLoop
they are like Aweber for mobile phones.

If you sync it up with their AutoTeleseminar service
it's like the perfect storm. CallLoop is the only way
to go.

Integrates with Aweber, InfusionSoft, & Nanacast also so you
can automate the SMS follow up all the way through the funnel.

Hey Justin,

I just checked out your information and I must say you have some good ideas about how to get offline customers.

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JRG

12 years ago

Originally Posted by JustinBrooke

IMO there's no better SMS service than CallLoop
they are like Aweber for mobile phones.

If you sync it up with their AutoTeleseminar service
it's like the perfect storm. CallLoop is the only way
to go.

Integrates with Aweber, InfusionSoft, & Nanacast also so you
can automate the SMS follow up all the way through the funnel.

I've also heard great things about CallLoop. I am not doing a lot of SMS with my clients but I do like the features CallLoop offers. I've looked at a few others but I'm not sure if they do the auto feature.

How often are you guys setting it up for clients vs. managing it for them?

Thanks

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Daniel Clark

12 years ago

Have you guys not heard of the auto sms system? Got an e-mail bout it today and its like launching end of the month and I'll defo be buying it!
It's desktop based software that'll let me send 50,000 sms a day apparently

Thanks

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jharr53301

12 years ago

We love Call Fire

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Nanaswhimsy

12 years ago

You will find alot of discussion about SMS text marketing under the Mobile catagory.

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Mobileblogger

10 years ago

Hey Quentin,

Great question and my wife owning a small business thriving we are always looking for economical ways to not only grow her business but help other small businesses as well. There is a thread in this same category of offline marketing that is covering the question you had asked with great information that I will be implementing right away. Something that you may see value in as well.

Mike