local business idea & renting lead gen sites

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Hi guys, I was going to add this to an existing discussion but the thread went off topic a fair bit. Anyone have any feedback experience with the following:

1. Buy domain name like newyorkbusiness.com

2. Install wordpress and make the site look like a business directory for the best businesses in the area. For example: most recommended plumber, accountant, dentist etc etc...

3. Install wordpress to a subdomain of newyorkbusiness.com for each type of business. For example: newyorkbusiness.com/newyorkplumber

4. Create content on the subdomain with the idea of ranking the subdomain on page 1 of google and generating leads naturally for the keyword.

5. When the subdomain ranks on page one, offer it to all of the businesses of that type in the area via email with a universal video offering the page for rent to the first business that comes back to you.

I think you could easily setup 10 different business sub domains over a few days. They should rank nicely within 2-4 weeks as the local competition will be low.

Charge $75-£125 dollars minimum cpm per sub domain. You keep ownership of the main domain so if someone stops paying you can just offer it to a competitor.

Thoughts/Advice?
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    Im thinking it would be better to subdomain it this way:
    newyorkplumber.newyorkbusiness.com or with its own domain altogether as far as fast and stable ranking is concern.

    I see this more and more as a business because small businesses just do not want to take the time to build an online presence. I am sort of doing this with real estate in my area but have not worked out the business model 100% yet. I may simply sell agents the analytics data I am collecting from local real estate in general. We'll see. Ranking really fast as most agents have no idea how to IM.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by RentItNow View Post

      Im thinking it would be better to subdomain it this way:
      newyorkplumber.newyorkbusiness.com or with its own domain altogether as far as fast and stable ranking is concern.

      I see this more and more as a business because small businesses just do not want to take the time to build an online presence. I am sort of doing this with real estate in my area but have not worked out the business model 100% yet. I may simply sell agents the analytics data I am collecting from local real estate in general. We'll see. Ranking really fast as most agents have no idea how to IM.
      YES! Yes, I completely agree. That would be the way to do it. Instead of different root domains for each area, this is the smart way of doing things. You will be able to make some pretty easy money like that. Especially with google places for those listed high without a website. So many different angles with this, go for it!
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  • Profile picture of the author sniper34d
    It would be easier to do it on separate domains as I can sell the site very easily if the right price is offered, and like you say it is more stable and of higher value to the customer I'm sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    It is a great method. Personally I just do a new domain per city. It really depends on who you are targeting as well. But I have created a 1 page wp site and already configured it perfectly. Now all I need to do is use my clone script, drag and drop the copy on the new domain I buy, change the email contact form and phone number. And its ready to rent!

    Total time invested = about 10 minutes each new site.

    What I charge: Between $200-$400 per month.

    What it includes:
    1 Page WP Landing Page
    Classified Ad Marketing
    Social Media Marketing
    1min HD Video
    Video Marketing
    Virtual Number with Click to Call

    It does take me a little longer to obviously set up the above. Maybe around 30-45 minutes since I already have the outlines and checklists laid out.

    Business owners are eating these up which is great and I love the monthly payments rolling into my paypal account!
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    • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
      Originally Posted by rockstarinlife View Post

      It is a great method. Personally I just do a new domain per city. It really depends on who you are targeting as well. But I have created a 1 page wp site and already configured it perfectly. Now all I need to do is use my clone script, drag and drop the copy on the new domain I buy, change the email contact form and phone number. And its ready to rent!

      Total time invested = about 10 minutes each new site.

      What I charge: Between $200-$400 per month.

      What it includes:
      1 Page WP Landing Page
      Classified Ad Marketing
      Social Media Marketing
      1min HD Video
      Video Marketing
      Virtual Number with Click to Call

      It does take me a little longer to obviously set up the above. Maybe around 30-45 minutes since I already have the outlines and checklists laid out.

      Business owners are eating these up which is great and I love the monthly payments rolling into my paypal account!
      Hey Dan,

      Are you trying to rank your 1-page WP sites at all? Any SEO?
      I work on a similar project for some industries, but all "marketing" options are only add-ons.

      BTW what do you mean by class-ad marketing? are you just placing ads on class sites?
      The same with social or video. Do you actually try to rank them or just use video directories/sharing sites or fanpages for social?


      Thomas
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

        Hey Dan,

        Are you trying to rank your 1-page WP sites at all? Any SEO?
        I work on a similar project for some industries, but all "marketing" options are only add-ons.

        BTW what do you mean by class-ad marketing? are you just placing ads on class sites?
        The same with social or video. Do you actually try to rank them or just use video directories/sharing sites or fanpages for social?


        Thomas

        Its funny because when I choose the right search phrase (keywords) I usually have that 1 WP page ranked on the first page of Google in about 24-48 hours. With the classified ad marketing I am using clickable image ads I create and rank the sites. With social and video I also rank all of those as well. Its pretty awesome how damn easy it is to use this method.
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    • Profile picture of the author arkhamindustries
      Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

      It is a great method. Personally I just do a new domain per city. It really depends on who you are targeting as well. But I have created a 1 page wp site and already configured it perfectly. Now all I need to do is use my clone script, drag and drop the copy on the new domain I buy, change the email contact form and phone number. And its ready to rent!

      Total time invested = about 10 minutes each new site.

      What I charge: Between $200-$400 per month.

      What it includes:
      1 Page WP Landing Page
      Classified Ad Marketing
      Social Media Marketing
      1min HD Video
      Video Marketing
      Virtual Number with Click to Call

      It does take me a little longer to obviously set up the above. Maybe around 30-45 minutes since I already have the outlines and checklists laid out.

      Business owners are eating these up which is great and I love the monthly payments rolling into my paypal account!
      Hey Dan

      I just bought your google love WSO a week ago and am working on doing SEO for my boddys local auto repair shop.

      What I cant get over is your low pricing for this service. Every other SEO service I have found that "specializes" in small business marketing usually only talks about getting 1 site on the front page of google usually to the tune of 400-500/month. Not many sites like you do
      Why not ask more?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by arkhamindustries View Post

        Hey Dan

        I just bought your google love WSO a week ago and am working on doing SEO for my boddys local auto repair shop.

        What I cant get over is your low pricing for this service. Every other SEO service I have found that "specializes" in small business marketing usually only talks about getting 1 site on the front page of google usually to the tune of 400-500/month. Not many sites like you do
        Why not ask more?
        You can charge anything you like and I have charged more.

        I have alot of clients that pay me between $200-$400 a month and it just really depends on the industry you target.

        The reason I only charged $197 month for my realtors is because I already had a rinse and repeat formula and it didnt take me long to set up each one. So I was making a profit no matter what I charged and it was on auto-pilot.

        Plus I did have to go out and sell those clients since I was getting so many referrals and doing live workshops as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author sniper34d
    OK great stuff. I have never applied seo to a sub domain... does it effect ranking etc at all?

    OK for everyones benefit shall we list some throw away products that can be offered to the client to boost the monthly fee?

    heres a few:
    1. Facebook fanpage setup (as long as they know how to, and use Fb privately already)
    2. "x" amount of tweaks to the site cpm
    3. Additional pages on the site.
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    • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
      Originally Posted by sniper34d View Post

      OK great stuff. I have never applied seo to a sub domain... does it effect ranking etc at all?

      OK for everyones benefit shall we list some throw away products that can be offered to the client to boost the monthly fee?

      heres a few:
      1. Facebook fanpage setup (as long as they know how to, and use Fb privately already)
      2. "x" amount of tweaks to the site cpm
      3. Additional pages on the site.
      4. Install Google Analytics (owners eat the data up)
      5. Setup a google small business listing...instant page 1
      6. Monthly status report that includes suggestions.

      Regarding the subdomains, I am not 100% sure about SEO but i know it has been a bit of a problem in getting some of my adwords stuff approved (even tho some of my clients have no prob with it). It is only $3 for a piece of internet property and well worth the value to a customer if u want to sell it. Think monopoly. Buy everything you land on, add 4 houses and then a hotel.

      Just a note, I do notice the YP commercials on now trying to take a piece out of the local business market.
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  • Profile picture of the author sniper34d
    also... does anyone have an example of the email they would send to the business owners?

    cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
      ELocal is getting rolling these days. They are starting to gain stride, check some of their sites out. They are doing these sites extremely well, and you can tell their SEO is starting to gain momentum. Here are some examples:

      Find Kansas City Roofers | Roofer Kansas City, MO

      Find Chicago Plumbers | Plumber Chicago, IL

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  • Profile picture of the author manjit129
    Wouldn't this be difficult to sell now with the prominence of Google Places? As in how can you rent a website that is ranking #1 on page 1 when there are 7 Google Places listings above them? Is there even much value in it anymore?

    This was a service I was thinking of selling but not sure whether it would work anymore. Would love to hear from Warriors who are still successfully doing this.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by manjit129 View Post

      Wouldn't this be difficult to sell now with the prominence of Google Places? As in how can you rent a website that is ranking #1 on page 1 when there are 7 Google Places listings above them? Is there even much value in it anymore?

      This was a service I was thinking of selling but not sure whether it would work anymore. Would love to hear from Warriors who are still successfully doing this.
      Yes and no... Some sites I have done, are listed above the local listings. What you see as a problem, is a way to make more money. Include google places optimization with what you offer!
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    This can be successful if you target specific professions and actually get a really high ranking. Problem is, most of the high dollar professions have local listings, and the websites have a legit amount of links that cannot be overcome without a lot of link juice...then there's the problem of jumping local results...ask me how I know this

    Also, although it seems like a brilliant idea, selling this to local businesses is a ****load harder than you would think. Better get used to cold calling and being pretty damn good at it because an email just isn't going to get any attention.

    It's one of those ideas that sounds great on paper but in reality is difficult to pull off.
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  • Profile picture of the author sniper34d
    I agree ryanjm, giving buckets of value is going to be the trick I think.

    £100 pcm and as a bonus offer includes google places optimisation plus either a Facebook fanpage setup or a marketing video. Also included could be marketing support and unlimited updates to their site content. Maybe more.. just a few ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author Transcripts
    I'm trying to do something with my suburb, probably will go about it completely wrong. But, there are many businesses here that don't have a site, haven't claimed their google page, don't have a fan page - - yet, they participate in Groupon, and those coupon mailers.

    So, I'm going to try to build a local directory as a way to show the marketing skills I'm soaking up and my brand-new WP skills. I'm trying to determine the best way to lay this thing out; i.e., name a bunch of business categories and each has it's own page with listings, or name businesses with each getting their own page, or just break it down to retail and service as the main categories, etc.

    I'm thinking of getting a local facebook fan page to go with this too.

    Then, I'll find a way to feature some local businesses on my site that I already do business with myself (showing different skills along the way hopefully as well) so that I eventually will be getting paid to provide services here and in the metro area. The site could be a win-win allowing me to learn and serve as a portfolio, while helping local businesses at the same time.
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    • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
      Originally Posted by Transcripts View Post

      I'm trying to do something with my suburb, probably will go about it completely wrong. But, there are many businesses here that don't have a site, haven't claimed their google page, don't have a fan page - - yet, they participate in Groupon, and those coupon mailers.

      So, I'm going to try to build a local directory as a way to show the marketing skills I'm soaking up and my brand-new WP skills. I'm trying to determine the best way to lay this thing out; i.e., name a bunch of business categories and each has it's own page with listings, or name businesses with each getting their own page, or just break it down to retail and service as the main categories, etc.

      I'm thinking of getting a local facebook fan page to go with this too.

      Then, I'll find a way to feature some local businesses on my site that I already do business with myself (showing different skills along the way hopefully as well) so that I eventually will be getting paid to provide services here and in the metro area. The site could be a win-win allowing me to learn and serve as a portfolio, while helping local businesses at the same time.
      Transcipts, you are over thinking this. If you put that much work into it, you are not going to get any return on that time and it will be too hard to maintain. Your customers are also going to want it maintained. Simplify your process.
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  • Profile picture of the author Domainate
    If you go the generic domain route, you're better off using separate domains entirely. If you want everything under one roof and using subdomains, using a nice short brandable (preferably nicely aged for SEO sake) and trying to build an overall directory would be better. I also agree that category.domain.com is better than domain.com/category.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    Just dont spend too much time in the planning stage like most do and then never take any action. Just get the basics and run with it. You will learn as you go.
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  • Profile picture of the author sniper34d
    Yes I have purchased my domain name and installed wp. I have gone for a universal domain name that uses the area name and will cover 4/5 big towns and cities. I want to put 10 business pages up as sub domains and try and rand 6/7 out of the 10 on pg1 at least. Then rent the sites for $150 min pcm
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    They have unrealistic expectations to rank No.1 on Google for all their favourite keywords overnight. To get them to keep paying you while the changes that you made for them kick in, is sometimes challenging to say it mildly.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
      Can anyone with one of these 1 page sites share one with us? I have a few solid domains and am getting ready to start putting the content on them. I am just not 100% sure which stuff to put on there.

      Are you using any generic PLR content or other articles about the niche?

      Any sample sites would be great appreciated.

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by mattbaehr View Post

        Can anyone with one of these 1 page sites share one with us? I have a few solid domains and am getting ready to start putting the content on them. I am just not 100% sure which stuff to put on there.

        Are you using any generic PLR content or other articles about the niche?

        Any sample sites would be great appreciated.

        Thanks!
        I made the mistake of sharing one of my sites that I just set up and was ranking all over the place in less than 48 hours. I mean I had it showing up like 7-11 spots on the first page of Google for many search phrases!

        But even after asking them to now call or email the number provided on the page, many still did? I still get emails from people asking how is it doing etc and calls from people just wanting to hear the voicemail etc. So I cant share the sites I have created. But if I decide to release a "how to" WSO for this model, I might either set one up for someone elses client as an example, or just create a fictitious site which seems like a waste though. Kinda like building a house than someone will never live in.

        But here is an example that Jack Mize shared for one of his programs on the rent a site model: Houston Discount Roofing Contractors - Emergency Roof Repairs 713-242-1651
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        • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
          I totally understand. No worries and I appreciate the link you did include.

          Instead of specifics, maybe we can talk in generalities.

          Do folks like to just put in minimal content plus contact info, or do you like to add supporting articles/pages, have downloadable pdfs, free ebooks, etc?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
            Originally Posted by mattbaehr View Post

            I totally understand. No worries and I appreciate the link you did include.

            Instead of specifics, maybe we can talk in generalities.

            Do folks like to just put in minimal content plus contact info, or do you like to add supporting articles/pages, have downloadable pdfs, free ebooks, etc?
            I usually add a video on the front page and just about 2-3 paragraphs with bullets on the home page. I also add a few testimonials when they give them to me and a click to call feature. Other than that, the example I gave is what my site pretty much looks like.

            You could do a download pdf or ebook for added value if you like. I personally leave that up to the client but would charge more to add it.

            The main reason my site ranks well is because its a wordpress blog and I choose my search phrases wisely (keywords). I dont target high competitive ones that trigger the Google Places all over the page like Denver Painter. I would target something like Denver Discount House Painting which I could probably get the site to rank in 48 hours or less with only 2 minutes of work.
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            • Profile picture of the author BrashImpact
              Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

              I usually add a video on the front page and just about 2-3 paragraphs with bullets on the home page. I also add a few testimonials when they give them to me and a click to call feature. Other than that, the example I gave is what my site pretty much looks like.

              You could do a download pdf or ebook for added value if you like. I personally leave that up to the client but would charge more to add it.

              The main reason my site ranks well is because its a wordpress blog and I choose my search phrases wisely (keywords). I dont target high competitive ones that trigger the Google Places all over the page like Denver Painter. I would target something like Denver Discount House Painting which I could probably get the site to rank in 48 hours or less with only 2 minutes of work.
              LOL, DR. Dan, pm sent Brother, and No Screening Pm's like your Cell Phone Calls. I just bought the domain, AmericasBestHookers.com based on your Input on another Thread.
              J/K Drop me a Line..Hope all is Rockin for Ya.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                Originally Posted by BrashImpact View Post

                LOL, DR. Dan, pm sent Brother, and No Screening Pm's like your Cell Phone Calls. I just bought the domain, AmericasBestHookers.com based on your Input on another Thread.
                J/K Drop me a Line..Hope all is Rockin for Ya.
                Robert
                Awesome and love the domain name! I got your PM and lets connect.
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            • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
              Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

              I dont target high competitive ones that trigger the Google Places all over the page like Denver Painter. I would target something like Denver Discount House Painting which I could probably get the site to rank in 48 hours or less with only 2 minutes of work.
              I don't understand this. That phrase would get almost no traffic, correct? It would be like ranking for "blue widgets with bungholes that fart perfume."
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              • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                Originally Posted by ryanjm View Post

                I don't understand this. That phrase would get almost no traffic, correct? It would be like ranking for "blue widgets with bungholes that fart perfume."
                Thats the problem with most IM'ers that move over the offline marketing. You gotta get off the Google keyword tool crutch!

                As you are starting to see alot of Offline marketing Gurus are talking about of methods of finding keywords to target that Google doesnt show in there keyword tool. You gotta get in the mind of the buyer.

                Just as an example when you are looking for some advice on Youtube marketing. Do you type in the search bar "Youtube marketing"? or specific to what you are looking for? Like "How to rank youtube video #1 on Google"

                You will get better results doing the later.
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            • Profile picture of the author kmalikis
              "The main reason my site ranks well is because its a wordpress blog and I choose my search phrases wisely (keywords). I dont target high competitive ones that trigger the Google Places all over the page like Denver Painter. I would target something like Denver Discount House Painting which I could probably get the site to rank in 48 hours or less with only 2 minutes of work.[/QUOTE]


              Dr.Dan... forgive me...i'm sure your sick of answering this question but i just don't understand....yes you could rank fairly easily for that long tail keyphrase but what good does it do??? i mean if no one searches for that exact phrase (Denver Discount house Painting)...that page won't show up on the first page and no one will see it. Is this not correct? What benefit does the first page rank actually provide in this case? what am i missing?

              It seems to me it's a bit like asking the question... if a tree falls in a forest...does anyone hear it? Yes the tree fell, but no one was around to notice or hear it fall... what impact did it have?

              Could you please clarify or explain this....by the way i bought Dr. Dan's Google Love WSO

              Thanks,

              Kam
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              • Profile picture of the author RRG
                Originally Posted by kmalikis View Post

                "The main reason my site ranks well is because its a wordpress blog and I choose my search phrases wisely (keywords). I dont target high competitive ones that trigger the Google Places all over the page like Denver Painter. I would target something like Denver Discount House Painting which I could probably get the site to rank in 48 hours or less with only 2 minutes of work.



                Dr.Dan... forgive me...i'm sure your sick of answering this question but i just don't understand....yes you could rank fairly easily for that long tail keyphrase but what good does it do??? i mean if no one searches for that exact phrase (Denver Discount house Painting)...that page won't show up on the first page and no one will see it. Is this not correct? What benefit does the first page rank actually provide in this case? what am i missing?

                It seems to me it's a bit like asking the question... if a tree falls in a forest...does anyone hear it? Yes the tree fell, but no one was around to notice or hear it fall... what impact did it have?

                Could you please clarify or explain this....by the way i bought Dr. Dan's Google Love WSO

                Thanks,

                Kam[/QUOTE]

                As a buyer of this WSO, that's a question I have as well.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                Originally Posted by kmalikis View Post

                "The main reason my site ranks well is because its a wordpress blog and I choose my search phrases wisely (keywords). I dont target high competitive ones that trigger the Google Places all over the page like Denver Painter. I would target something like Denver Discount House Painting which I could probably get the site to rank in 48 hours or less with only 2 minutes of work.


                Dr.Dan... forgive me...i'm sure your sick of answering this question but i just don't understand....yes you could rank fairly easily for that long tail keyphrase but what good does it do??? i mean if no one searches for that exact phrase (Denver Discount house Painting)...that page won't show up on the first page and no one will see it. Is this not correct? What benefit does the first page rank actually provide in this case? what am i missing?

                It seems to me it's a bit like asking the question... if a tree falls in a forest...does anyone hear it? Yes the tree fell, but no one was around to notice or hear it fall... what impact did it have?

                Could you please clarify or explain this....by the way i bought Dr. Dan's Google Love WSO

                Thanks,

                Kam

                lol... I do get this question alot and am a little sick on answering it...haha

                I go over this topic on the FAQ page

                But you must me logged in to read it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dark witness
    Great idea. I have been trying to figure out the best way to go about a business model for offline. I have bought a few products to help, but need to refine a process so to speak.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    ^Yeah no doubt long tail is much more commonly searched, it's just that every long tail phrase is so unique that to be ranked for one particular infrequently searched phrase has little value. If you're ranking at the top for like 10-15 of those phrases, that's a different matter.

    Maybe Denver is a big enough city that you can target small phrases like that and still get traffic...tough to say. What I do know is that I've been #1 for "City + roofing" in a smaller city of like 75,000 people and gotten almost no traffic, so it seems unlikely that these smaller phrases can generate any significant amount of traffic on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd love to see a screenshot of someone's analytics showing just how often these long tail phrases actually get searched. I just don't think the traffic is there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by ryanjm View Post

      ^Yeah no doubt long tail is much more commonly searched, it's just that every long tail phrase is so unique that to be ranked for one particular infrequently searched phrase has little value. If you're ranking at the top for like 10-15 of those phrases, that's a different matter.

      Maybe Denver is a big enough city that you can target small phrases like that and still get traffic...tough to say. What I do know is that I've been #1 for "City + roofing" in a smaller city of like 75,000 people and gotten almost no traffic, so it seems unlikely that these smaller phrases can generate any significant amount of traffic on their own. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd love to see a screenshot of someone's analytics showing just how often these long tail phrases actually get searched. I just don't think the traffic is there.
      I do target about 10-15 of these types of phrases and even in the small cities and high ticket sales clients like Realtors and Mortgage brokers I get them around 500-1000+ visits per month for just that 1 city.

      This is what I love about this business right now, that almost no one knows how to use Google searches for there local clients. I have almost zero competition! I only know 1 guy that is about 50 miles from me that is doing something similar and thats it.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
      DrDan - interesting stuff. So are you ranking the same page for 10 keywords, or 10 different pages on their site for one keyword each?

      I guess the question I have is how can you sell it to potential clients when you can't give them traffic estimates? How do you present it to clients to rank for longtail keywords with no numbers?
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by mattbaehr View Post

        DrDan - interesting stuff. So are you ranking the same page for 10 keywords, or 10 different pages on their site for one keyword each?

        I guess the question I have is how can you sell it to potential clients when you can't give them traffic estimates? How do you present it to clients to rank for longtail keywords with no numbers?
        A little of both. Since I am using a combo of methods like social media, social bookmarking, video marketing, classified ad sites, etc, I can rank them for a heck of alot of terms pretty damn easy. People are really wasting alot of time with methods that worked for IM and trying to use them for offline marketing. But there is an easier way, actually I have been testing the same methods I am using with offline marketing for IM and it works pretty much the same! Its pretty awesome!

        I have wrote a few posts and threads on alot of the strategies I am talking about. As far as giving clients the traffic numbers, I dont do this anymore and my business has blown up! Why? because I show them real results and not a number spit out of Google Butt!

        You see... There is way more value for a potential client to see you do a local search and see that your client is in 7-11 first page spots! Way more value than showing them what Google says is being searched for and I can get you some traffic from that.

        Does that make sense?

        The clients are not interested in how much traffic a keyword gets. That is what we have been taught from our IM days. They just want results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by mattbaehr View Post

        DrDan -So are you ranking the same page for 10 keywords, or 10 different pages on their site for one keyword each?
        Sorry I missed this question.

        I dont waste my time building more than 1 page for them. I dont write any articles. I dont follow the same old rules on spinning your content by 30-40% to make it original. I only spend about 1-2 hours setting each client up.

        Now that I have a system I can do it faster if its in the same niche. So for instance I already have a few House Painting sites up, I can set up a new one in each city in about 20-40 minutes usually. (Dont quote me on that since its a guesstimate). But its close to that.
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        • Profile picture of the author rugman
          Been toying around with this also - actually just started with my first site. Seems like lots of the bigger cities are hard to get - like denverplumber. What size cities are most going after?
          I have found some goodies after doing some digging around. My first site I put up I outsourced a nice article - hit page 1 in a few days. Hoping to get it above the local results so I can market it to some "renters".
          BTW Dr Dan - Love the Fiji stuff. I was there in the early 70's on the way to NZ - what a place!
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanjm
    Thanks for the insights Dr Dan (funny to call you that since that's what my dentist calls himself ). I will have to tweak some of my sites to try for these longer tail phrases. Our methods to rank IM sites work well for these 'offline' sites and we are able to overtake PR3-4 lawyer sites for major keywords, so long-tail should be easier.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by rugman View Post

      Been toying around with this also - actually just started with my first site. Seems like lots of the bigger cities are hard to get - like denverplumber. What size cities are most going after?
      I have found some goodies after doing some digging around. My first site I put up I outsourced a nice article - hit page 1 in a few days. Hoping to get it above the local results so I can market it to some "renters".
      BTW Dr Dan - Love the Fiji stuff. I was there in the early 70's on the way to NZ - what a place!
      Its not the big cities are hard to go after, its that the keywords are too competitive and not specific enough. Local searchers do not search for services like that anyways. So let everyone else fight over those keywords.

      Congrats on getting your site on page 1 and Fiji is so amazing! Except the mosquito love my blood for some reason?

      Originally Posted by ryanjm View Post

      Thanks for the insights Dr Dan (funny to call you that since that's what my dentist calls himself ). I will have to tweak some of my sites to try for these longer tail phrases. Our methods to rank IM sites work well for these 'offline' sites and we are able to overtake PR3-4 lawyer sites for major keywords, so long-tail should be easier.
      Long tail is so much easier and better. Because that is how local searches search for services. Just so you dont get us confused maybe you should call me Doc Dan or RockStar Dan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bon508
    I'm interested in the rent-a-site model for local vets. In my general vicinity, there are several who do not have websites -- but because they are listed in Google Places (without any effort on their part), their businesses are showing up on page 1 when someone searches for [City] vet. Their GP listings have their address and phone number, so prospects can easily find/contact them.

    Any advice on how to convince them that having a website is STILL a good idea?
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    • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
      I would try to sell them on needing a website to help rank them for OTHER search terms. Plus professionalism, plus look at their competitor's sites. If you were comparing the two, which would you choose? kind of thing. I would also tout the ability to add things to a website that the places page can't have. Good luck.


      Originally Posted by Bon508 View Post

      I'm interested in the rent-a-site model for local vets. In my general vicinity, there are several who do not have websites -- but because they are listed in Google Places (without any effort on their part), their businesses are showing up on page 1 when someone searches for [City] vet. Their GP listings have their address and phone number, so prospects can easily find/contact them.

      Any advice on how to convince them that having a website is STILL a good idea?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by Bon508 View Post

      I'm interested in the rent-a-site model for local vets. In my general vicinity, there are several who do not have websites -- but because they are listed in Google Places (without any effort on their part), their businesses are showing up on page 1 when someone searches for [City] vet. Their GP listings have their address and phone number, so prospects can easily find/contact them.

      Any advice on how to convince them that having a website is STILL a good idea?
      Hey Bonnie do you mean local veterinarians? or local war vets? jk...

      The big thing that I would show them is how many of the local search terms that people will use to find a local vet wont even trigger the map. Also with GP they only get 1 spot. If you set up a site and throw in some video, press release, classified ad, social media, and social bookmarking marketing. Now you have what i call Google Love! They will own the whole damn city for the searches! Not just 1 little spot in 1-2 search terms.

      Doing this you can pick up 1 vet per a city at $200-$400 per month and the only maintenance required will be around 40 minutes at most per month for all the clients combined!

      I should also mention the only costs involved for the tools I use is around $20 one time. This doesnt include hosting or domain names.

      But I do use a few new tools that speed up my duplicating process for 2-3 hours per site set up to about 20 minutes per site now.

      I also use a free wordpress theme now as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
        Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

        Hey Bonnie do you mean local veterinarians? or local war vets? jk...

        The big thing that I would show them is how many of the local search terms that people will use to find a local vet wont even trigger the map. Also with GP they only get 1 spot. If you set up a site and throw in some video, press release, classified ad, social media, and social bookmarking marketing. Now you have what i call Google Love! They will own the whole damn city for the searches! Not just 1 little spot in 1-2 search terms.

        Doing this you can pick up 1 vet per a city at $200-$400 per month and the only maintenance required will be around 40 minutes at most per month for all the clients combined!

        I should also mention the only costs involved for the tools I use is around $20 one time. This doesnt include hosting or domain names.

        But I do use a few new tools that speed up my duplicating process for 2-3 hours per site set up to about 20 minutes per site now.

        I also use a free wordpress theme now as well.
        Rockstar Dan you have my head spinning with ideas!

        I like the idea of dominating the first page as oppose to having one listing on Google Places. It got me thinking as I have a handyman site and pest control site just sitting outside of page one and I have done NOTHING to them. I have been trying to think of a way to monetize them and I think I have a solution.

        I also have a pest control site for 2 other cities as the guy backed out on me (I lost $650 on the deal) and they are already ranking
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        • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
          Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

          Rockstar Dan you have my head spinning with ideas!

          I like the idea of dominating the first page as oppose to having one listing on Google Places. It got me thinking as I have a handyman site and pest control site just sitting outside of page one and I have done NOTHING to them. I have been trying to think of a way to monetize them and I think I have a solution.

          I also have a pest control site for 2 other cities as the guy backed out on me (I lost $650 on the deal) and they are already ranking
          Awesome and glad I could help.

          I like to rent out my sites before I actually create them so I never lose money or waste time. Its somehting I learned when investing in real estate. Most would buy what they thought was a good deal to flip. But they would spend all this time and money to buy, then fix, then have to find a buyer and pay that mortgage as they waited to get someone to buy.

          What I did was find people that wanted to invest on a good deal, got a deposit and found a property and bought it and then flipped it to them right away! I made between $100k to $500k on each one of those deals!

          Now if I can just figure out a way to flip a site for $500k.... lol..

          Just remember one thing, how can I duplicate this faster? and also how can I re-rent this out fast if someone cancels. Most dont ask these questions and spend too much time setting up the sites and then spending too much time switching renters over. But I set mine up so they can be switched in as little as a few minutes.
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          • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
            I literally have a site ranked #66 with just the EMD and installing wordpress. Haven't added any content or linked to it yet.

            Rinse and repeat.
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            • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
              Originally Posted by mattbaehr View Post

              I literally have a site ranked #66 with just the EMD and installing wordpress. Haven't added any content or linked to it yet.

              Rinse and repeat.
              I made one for my parents (they are selling their house) this past Saturday and it is ranking in at #28 with nothing done. I plan to get it to page one for the keyword (170 exact searches) and help them sell their house. And then I plan on leasing the site to a Realtor or find someone else selling their house and work out a deal where I'll get 2% of the final sale. I think it might just work, I hope.
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              • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
                Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

                I made one for my parents (they are selling their house) this past Saturday and it is ranking in at #28 with nothing done. I plan to get it to page one for the keyword (170 exact searches) and help them sell their house. And then I plan on leasing the site to a Realtor or find someone else selling their house and work out a deal where I'll get 2% of the final sale. I think it might just work, I hope.

                Good luck. Would love to hear how you do with that. As DrDan said, keep us up to date. I will promise to do the same.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

                I made one for my parents (they are selling their house) this past Saturday and it is ranking in at #28 with nothing done. I plan to get it to page one for the keyword (170 exact searches) and help them sell their house. And then I plan on leasing the site to a Realtor or find someone else selling their house and work out a deal where I'll get 2% of the final sale. I think it might just work, I hope.
                Cool! make a video using something like Animoto with pics and you can upload it to youtube and get that ranking in 24 hours on the first pages as well. Also embed it on the site.

                With Animoto you can spin the video as much as you like and upload each one to own all the video spots on Googles pages. I have some clients that had as many as 4 spots on Google first page with just the videos all in 24-48 hours and not spending a dime on backlinking.
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                • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
                  Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

                  Cool! make a video using something like Animoto with pics and you can upload it to youtube and get that ranking in 24 hours on the first pages as well. Also embed it on the site.

                  With Animoto you can spin the video as much as you like and upload each one to own all the video spots on Googles pages. I have some clients that had as many as 4 spots on Google first page with just the videos all in 24-48 hours and not spending a dime on backlinking.
                  DrDan - I love animoto. Any good tips for ranking animoto videos for local search? Just focus the title, description and tags on your keyword?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                    Originally Posted by mattbaehr View Post

                    DrDan - I love animoto. Any good tips for ranking animoto videos for local search? Just focus the title, description and tags on your keyword?
                    yep thats pretty much the secret! Just choose your keywords wisely and dont forget to start the description with the link so it shows without needing to click the drop down. I see so many people messing up on that.

                    I found a better service than animoto but I cant share in the open forum. PM me if you want to know more.
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                    • Profile picture of the author drmaves
                      Dr Dan,

                      I heard from a source that YouTube is filtering Animoto videos made with their free music (that's how they identify them) and not ranking them highly because they assume they contain slide show content rather than true video content. Have you experienced this?

                      Also, I am interested in you Animoto alternative but can't PM you. Can you PM me and let me know what the alternative is?

                      Thanks,

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                  • Profile picture of the author Bon508
                    Hey Bonnie do you mean local veterinarians? or local war vets? jk...

                    The big thing that I would show them is how many of the local search terms that people will use to find a local vet wont even trigger the map. Also with GP they only get 1 spot. If you set up a site and throw in some video, press release, classified ad, social media, and social bookmarking marketing. Now you have what i call Google Love! They will own the whole damn city for the searches! Not just 1 little spot in 1-2 search terms.
                    Thanks, Dr. Dan -- great advice and tips!

                    BTW, "city vet" got more searches than "city veterinarian" when I did my keyword research; that's why I went with that domain name. If war veterans show up on the site, maybe they will like the images so much that they'll adopt puppies and kittens and then become clients for my client!
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                    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                      Originally Posted by Bon508 View Post

                      Thanks, Dr. Dan -- great advice and tips!

                      BTW, "city vet" got more searches than "city veterinarian" when I did my keyword research; that's why I went with that domain name. If war veterans show up on the site, maybe they will like the images so much that they'll adopt puppies and kittens and then become clients for my client!
                      Nice! Your welcome and I hope they do.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
              Originally Posted by mattbaehr View Post

              I literally have a site ranked #66 with just the EMD and installing wordpress. Haven't added any content or linked to it yet.

              Rinse and repeat.
              Nice and be sure to let us know what you do with it. To few people keep us up to date. I know I was guilty of this. I was very active in the forums for a few months while I was learning. Then I got so busy with clients that I didnt have time. But now I have set up everything on auto-pilot so I can make the time
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          • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
            Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

            Awesome and glad I could help.

            I like to rent out my sites before I actually create them so I never lose money or waste time. Its somehting I learned when investing in real estate. Most would buy what they thought was a good deal to flip. But they would spend all this time and money to buy, then fix, then have to find a buyer and pay that mortgage as they waited to get someone to buy.

            What I did was find people that wanted to invest on a good deal, got a deposit and found a property and bought it and then flipped it to them right away! I made between $100k to $500k on each one of those deals!

            Now if I can just figure out a way to flip a site for $500k.... lol..

            Just remember one thing, how can I duplicate this faster? and also how can I re-rent this out fast if someone cancels. Most dont ask these questions and spend too much time setting up the sites and then spending too much time switching renters over. But I set mine up so they can be switched in as little as a few minutes.
            Hey Dan

            Thanks alot for sharing your advice. How do you get clients ready to purchase a lease site when they have never seen it before?
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            • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
              Originally Posted by Vanquish View Post

              Hey Dan

              Thanks alot for sharing your advice. How do you get clients ready to purchase a lease site when they have never seen it before?
              Your welcome.

              I just show them 2-3 examples of what I have done for my other clients in there industry. I then tell them I can do the same for them. Proof is in the pudding.

              Once you have a bunch of clients that are owning Googles first pages, you can pretty much pre-lease or sell them easily. Think about it, if you tell the prospect "hey... here is what I did for your competition over here and this is what I can do for you!" do you think they will pass that up? Because they know that if they dont buy, then there competition will. Not to mention the scarcity of only offering it to one client per city.
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              • Profile picture of the author Vanquish
                Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

                Your welcome.

                I just show them 2-3 examples of what I have done for my other clients in there industry. I then tell them I can do the same for them. Proof is in the pudding.

                Once you have a bunch of clients that are owning Googles first pages, you can pretty much pre-lease or sell them easily. Think about it, if you tell the prospect "hey... here is what I did for your competition over here and this is what I can do for you!" do you think they will pass that up? Because they know that if they dont buy, then there competition will. Not to mention the scarcity of only offering it to one client per city.

                Thanks again Dan! I can see the light now

                What do you do to get the first contact with the client regarding the website? Do you also close over the phone or through e mail?
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                • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                  Originally Posted by Vanquish View Post

                  Thanks again Dan! I can see the light now

                  What do you do to get the first contact with the client regarding the website? Do you also close over the phone or through e mail?
                  I usually do it in person but sometimes on the phone if they are not local to me. I personally do not like using email for contacting clients.

                  That doesnt mean I dont use it, I still use email, but in my experience and after alot of really bad WSO's and offline marketing products claiming you will get success using email to contact prospects etc. I came to realize after around 1,000+ emails sent out I never got even 1 client out of it. This is using many different niches and spread out over a few months.

                  I do still use email as the first point of contact and then I call them in 1 day to follow up with them and mention that I sent an email and wondering if they had any questions etc. Its an ice breaker.

                  All my new clients are coming from referrals and speaking events now since I have positioned myself and the go to expert in the Real Estate industry. This can easily be duplicated in every niche. Heck you dont even have to do a speaking event. Just meet with them 1 on 1.
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              • Profile picture of the author gator93
                Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

                Your welcome.

                I just show them 2-3 examples of what I have done for my other clients in there industry. I then tell them I can do the same for them. Proof is in the pudding.

                Once you have a bunch of clients that are owning Googles first pages, you can pretty much pre-lease or sell them easily. Think about it, if you tell the prospect "hey... here is what I did for your competition over here and this is what I can do for you!" do you think they will pass that up? Because they know that if they dont buy, then there competition will. Not to mention the scarcity of only offering it to one client per city.
                Dr. Dan,

                Thanks for all the tips! Do you ever use the "leads" model where you sell the individual leads to clients instead of renting the site out?

                Thanks!
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                • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
                  Originally Posted by gator93 View Post

                  Dr. Dan,

                  Thanks for all the tips! Do you ever use the "leads" model where you sell the individual leads to clients instead of renting the site out?

                  Thanks!
                  Yep.. I do that all the time ;-)

                  usually sell them anywhere from $500-$1,500 but I always set them up on the monthly google love service still.
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    Dan, if you mainly work with real estate agents, are you experiencing any conflict of interest in the same local area, or are you trying to go nationwide?


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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

      Dan, if you mainly work with real estate agents, are you experiencing any conflict of interest in the same local area, or are you trying to go nationwide?


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      Yes I had to make the rules as I went along. At first I was going to just offer 1 realtor per city. but I got asked to do many events in the same city and had to turn alot of people away because I already had a client there. But then I had decided to offer it this way:

      1 client that targeted Buyers
      1 client that targeted Sellers
      and then I got clients that targeted only specific neighborhoods.

      But I knew this might be a problem in the future by only offering 1 spot per city, so I always made sure to tell them that I only had 2-3 spots per city depending on the city and searches available.

      Because I would never tell someone they will be the only client in that city and then change it on them. I would need to wait until they cancelled before I changed the rules on them.

      But that is just for my monthly clients. I will still do consulting and create a blog site for realtors still.

      I dont want to offer the service nationwide unless I partner up with someone to handle the outsourcers and back-end portion. I love meeting the clients, doing live events, and creating products. So I dont want to take on too many clients by myself.

      My plan is to only speak and do consulting. I am working with the top 3 real estate agency in the US right now on doing workshops and events for all of there offices nationwide.
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

      Dan, if you mainly work with real estate agents, are you experiencing any conflict of interest in the same local area, or are you trying to go nationwide?


      Thomas
      what I would do is go local are first and you can find something taht works, then hit it big time go nationwide adn you are almost guarenteed profits. Smart way to do it in my book.
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  • Profile picture of the author mattbaehr
    It's a week later and that site that was 66 is now 15 after some basic content and backlink building. Just hit it today with an xrumer, so lets see how that does.
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    that name you chose is excellent, I recommend using a good template wordpress
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    • Profile picture of the author easy does it
      Hey Dan,

      Do you mind If I ask what clone script you use?

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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by easy does it View Post

        Hey Dan,

        Do you mind If I ask what clone script you use?

        Tom
        I use Jason's wp twin. Its $97 but sometimes they have a special deal in the wso section for like $77 or something like that. It rocks!
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        • Profile picture of the author Warren Tibbotts
          Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

          I use Jason's wp twin. Its $97 but sometimes they have a special deal in the wso section for like $77 or something like that. It rocks!
          I can definitely agree- that wp twin is awesome, has never failed me, and is easy to use

          Great for backing your sites up too
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  • Profile picture of the author stoaf88
    Hey Dr Dan I bought your WSO and it is really good. Here is what I have done.
    Set up 2 different lead capture sites with the phone numbers. Did the videos for youtube and put them on the sites and kept them simple lead capture sites.

    I did a little bit more SEO work than you usually do and have got the sites ranked with the # in the title all over the first 2 pages of google for a bunch of keywords.

    Some of the keywords my titles are like the only choice in google, so its pretty awesome.

    Here is the thing. I am going to do screenshots of all the rankings and the site itself and go to my print shop and have them make a professional looking packet to hand to the businesses I am targetting.

    Does anyone here have any advice of what to put in the sales copy for this type of packet? I mean the results pretty much speak for themselves, but I need some selling points.

    Any help guys?
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    This is a cool thread I have some experience on the topic with the sites listed in my signature. A good domain is key.
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