What Price to Charge For Facebook Custom Business Pages?

by zoro
136 replies
I'm currently setting up my own facebook page to show examples of custom business fan pages.
Since facebook now uses iFrames it means that I will need to host all of my clients fan pages on my sever.
So I'm thinking I should be charging for the hosting on top of my one off price for a custom fan page design.

Here is what I thought I would charge:

$175 - $375 (depending on complexity) for a custom page design.
$10 - $20 per month hosting.

Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?
#business #charge #custom #facebook #pages #price
  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Absolutely charge for the hosting! I don't see this much, but it looks like you are charging that right amount. I think $200-300 is ideal for most, but can go up into 500ish. I don't think you need advice, looks like you have it figured out.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      Absolutely charge for the hosting! I don't see this much, but it looks like you are charging that right amount. I think $200-300 is ideal for most, but can go up into 500ish. I don't think you need advice, looks like you have it figured out.
      Hi iAmNameLess, Thanks for your comments. I will be using Wordpress for the pages as this will allow the client to edit their own content. (I will provide them with dashboard instructions). So from what you are saying you think I'm right on the money/charges, thanks for your imput.
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      • Profile picture of the author Luke Bishop
        Zoro do you mind if I email you, I have a question.

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by Luke Bishop View Post

          Zoro do you mind if I email you, I have a question.

          Thanks
          Hi Luke, sent you a PM
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  • Thats a fair price, I think it depends on the complex of design too though, there is a lot you can do now with custom facebook pages. I think maybe the hosting is quite expensive but its up to you what you charge, good luck with everything!
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    • Profile picture of the author Luke Bishop
      I don't understand what you mean by hosting, can't you just use Photobucket?
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      • Originally Posted by Luke Bishop View Post

        I don't understand what you mean by hosting, can't you just use Photobucket?
        Yeah exactly, there only images, you could use tinypic or photobucket and have the images hosted for free, there servers are really good and I've had images on tinypic for a few years, I think tinypic and and photobucket are the same company or same service at least but yeah I would suggest as Luke did to just host it for free.
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        • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
          Originally Posted by InternetContentCreation View Post

          Yeah exactly, there only images, you could use tinypic or photobucket and have the images hosted for free, there servers are really good and I've had images on tinypic for a few years, I think tinypic and and photobucket are the same company or same service at least but yeah I would suggest as Luke did to just host it for free.
          yep, you can use photobucket to host your images for your FBML fanpage.

          But you may struggle to host your iframes website on photobucket
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by InternetContentCreation View Post

          Yeah exactly, there only images, you could use tinypic or photobucket and have the images hosted for free, there servers are really good and I've had images on tinypic for a few years, I think tinypic and and photobucket are the same company or same service at least but yeah I would suggest as Luke did to just host it for free.
          Yes, that's how it used to be when Facebook only allowed FBML code. Now with the new iFrames its not possible to just host pics on Tinypic etc, you need to host everything on your own sever (your hosting provider).

          Ofcourse if you want to use the old FBML code for Facebook fanpages you still can.
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            • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
              Originally Posted by mileytipton View Post

              I am looking forward for creating FBML pages but as you mention that with the new iframes it is not possible than it actually necessary to understand how it will be created.
              I am not sure it is still possible to use FBML.

              To use IFRAMES, build a html page / website, remembering that maximum width is 520 pixels, and then set up an app, which basically just tells facebook where your webpage is.

              I build my websites using wordpress and the headway theme. There are some plugins that make certain functions easier to use, such as rotating images, embedding videos, rotating images etc.

              I dont believe that FBML has any advantages over iframes, or is easier to use or understand.
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              • Profile picture of the author JerryKuzma
                thanks philboy, you've obviously got some experience doing these. you make it sound easy to do..... jerry
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                • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
                  Originally Posted by JerryKuzma View Post

                  thanks philboy, you've obviously got some experience doing these. you make it sound easy to do..... jerry
                  thanks, I am definitely no coder, so try to find the tools that my life easier. Just need to work on my salemanship skills.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Luke Bishop View Post

        I don't understand what you mean by hosting, can't you just use Photobucket?

        I don't particularly like this idea. You are giving yourself less control. Photobucket can delete or suspend accounts at any time for no reason. Then all your clients pages are gone or showing nasty errors.

        Keep the stuff on your own servers.
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I don't particularly like this idea. You are giving yourself less control. Photobucket can delete or suspend accounts at any time for no reason. Then all your clients pages are gone or showing nasty errors.

          Keep the stuff on your own servers.
          Mike, I agree with your comment, plus it would be almost impossible to host a whole website on photobucket, which is required with the new iFrames.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by InternetContentCreation View Post

      Thats a fair price, I think it depends on the complex of design too though, there is a lot you can do now with custom facebook pages. I think maybe the hosting is quite expensive but its up to you what you charge, good luck with everything!
      Hi, thanks for your comment... much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author LiquidSeo
    Originally Posted by zoro View Post

    I'm currently setting up my own facebook page to show examples of custom business fan pages.
    Since facebook now uses iFrames it means that I will need to host all of my clients fan pages on my sever.
    So I'm thinking I should be charging for the hosting on top of my one off price for a custom fan page design.

    Here is what I thought I would charge:

    $175 - $375 (depending on complexity) for a custom page design.
    $10 - $20 per month hosting.

    Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?
    Hi Zoro,

    I think you are off to a good start, but depending on complexity, you can sometimes go higher than $375. I've talked to numerous people who have sold in the 400-800 range monthly. My typical FB page is $300-500, with the more complex sites going a bit higher.

    I love your addition of hosting - so many people neglect this area.

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by LiquidSeo View Post

      Hi Zoro,

      I think you are off to a good start, but depending on complexity, you can sometimes go higher than $375. I've talked to numerous people who have sold in the 400-800 range monthly. My typical FB page is $300-500, with the more complex sites going a bit higher.

      I love your addition of hosting - so many people neglect this area.

      Brian
      Hi Brian, thanks for adding your comment. Yes, I read somewhere in another post that they actually use the monthly hosting option as an Up-Sell by providing buyer with extra service or support, which they would'nt get if they hosted it themself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh MacDonald
    I say do the whole "contact me" or something, then you can negotiate based on what the business can afford.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by macdonjo View Post

      I say do the whole "contact me" or something, then you can negotiate based on what the business can afford.
      Hi, appreciate your imput and comment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh MacDonald
    Not a problem!
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  • Profile picture of the author hh66
    Originally Posted by zoro View Post

    Here is what I thought I would charge:

    $175 - $375 (depending on complexity) for a custom page design.
    $10 - $20 per month hosting.

    Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?
    I was dissuaded from doing Fan Page design services, as I
    discovered that sites like socialmediasaint.com were offering
    top notch custom pages for just $55.

    I don't know for sure, but I think this particular site operates
    from India. Anyway, it struck me that Fan/Business Page design
    services are (essentially) just design jobs and that there are
    few in the Western world who could compete with the quality
    and pricing that can be found in countries such as India, China,
    Malaysia, etc..

    I don't mean to be harsh, but why would anyone pay $175+ for
    a business page when they can get a fully tricked-out page for
    $55? And some services may be even better and cheaper than
    that...

    Anyway, all the best with your service.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

      I was dissuaded from doing Fan Page design services, as I
      discovered that sites like socialmediasaint.com were offering
      top notch custom pages for just $55.

      I don't know for sure, but I think this particular site operates
      from India. Anyway, it struck me that Fan/Business Page design
      services are (essentially) just design jobs and that there are
      few in the Western world who could compete with the quality
      and pricing that can be found in countries such as India, China,
      Malaysia, etc..

      I don't mean to be harsh, but why would anyone pay $175+ for
      a business page when they can get a fully tricked-out page for
      $55? And some services may be even better and cheaper than
      that...

      Anyway, all the best with your service.

      Good luck
      Hi, thanks for your comments. Yes, there are many other services who can design fan pages for much cheaper, with this I agree. But that goes for any business or service, there's always someone cheaper. What we need to remember is that there is over 700 million facebook users, many of them businesses, that don't have a clue about where or how to get a custom fan page.
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    • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
      Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

      I was dissuaded from doing Fan Page design services, as I
      discovered that sites like socialmediasaint.com were offering
      top notch custom pages for just $55.

      I don't know for sure, but I think this particular site operates
      from India. Anyway, it struck me that Fan/Business Page design
      services are (essentially) just design jobs and that there are
      few in the Western world who could compete with the quality
      and pricing that can be found in countries such as India, China,
      Malaysia, etc..

      I don't mean to be harsh, but why would anyone pay $175+ for
      a business page when they can get a fully tricked-out page for
      $55? And some services may be even better and cheaper than
      that...

      Anyway, all the best with your service.

      Good luck
      Having a successful facebook marketing campaign can be far more than just the facebook page itself. What you can offer clients is a facebook service, in which you get their campaign up and running for monthly on going fees.

      If you are going to get dissuaded everytime you see cheaper services being offered in third world countries, I suggest you will struggle to work within any internet marketing field, especially as the work can be so easily outsourced.

      You have to be aware what your local market is willing to pay, and you may also find that many business owner would look down their noses at very cheap services, believing that they are second rate ( though this may not be the case )
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      • Profile picture of the author hh66
        Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

        You have to be aware what your local market is willing to pay
        I don't doubt that such services could do well if you
        offer them to existing clients. But in the absence of
        a prior vendor/client relationship, the question remains,
        as to why they would want to pay 3 or 4 times as much
        for the service?

        The often-touted idea that "local" businesses don't know
        what they're doing on the web (so you can charge what
        you like) doesn't apply here, although I will accept that
        there is some benefit in being near to (or in the same
        country as) the customer, for trust and access reasons.

        The cheaper services are also very easy to find, and are
        all on Google's first page of results. Will they be found?

        Well, "local" businesses have access to the web too, so
        perhaps they will be found! It is also worth bearing in mind
        that the English-speaking ability of vendors in some of the
        non-Western countries is much better than it used to be.

        Regards,
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        • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
          Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

          I don't doubt that such services could do well if you
          offer them to existing clients. But in the absence of
          a prior vendor/client relationship, the question remains,
          as to why they would want to pay 3 or 4 times as much
          for the service?

          The often-touted idea that "local" businesses don't know
          what they're doing on the web (so you can charge what
          you like) doesn't apply here, although I will accept that
          there is some benefit in being near to (or in the same
          country as) the customer, for trust and access reasons.

          The cheaper services are also very easy to find, and are
          all on Google's first page of results. Will they be found?

          Well, "local" businesses have access to the web too, so
          perhaps they will be found! It is also worth bearing in mind
          that the English-speaking ability of vendors in some of the
          non-Western countries is much better than it used to be.

          Regards,
          If you market yourself as a low end Internet Marketing provider, dont be suprised if you get low end customers.
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        • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
          Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

          I don't doubt that such services could do well if you
          offer them to existing clients. But in the absence of
          a prior vendor/client relationship, the question remains,
          as to why they would want to pay 3 or 4 times as much
          for the service?

          The often-touted idea that "local" businesses don't know
          what they're doing on the web (so you can charge what
          you like) doesn't apply here, although I will accept that
          there is some benefit in being near to (or in the same
          country as) the customer, for trust and access reasons.

          The cheaper services are also very easy to find, and are
          all on Google's first page of results. Will they be found?

          Well, "local" businesses have access to the web too, so
          perhaps they will be found! It is also worth bearing in mind
          that the English-speaking ability of vendors in some of the
          non-Western countries is much better than it used to be.

          Regards,
          So, to start a facebook campaign, business owners just need to
          google facebook, have a facebook page built for $55 and then look through the warrior forum and pick up a couple of WSO's on how to manage the campaign

          next they can look around on the warrior forum and find some competitive website designers

          Next they can find some cheap SEO service providers, get a few more WSOS , find out about wordpress, pay $5 PCM for hosting and wham bam,they have a nice website at the top of the search engines.

          Next they can buy a few more WSOs learn about google places, and then have top google place ranking.

          Next they can google mobile websites, pick up some more WSOs, read some threads and get a mobile website up and running.

          so this is possible for all business owners in your town,but why stop at internet marketing, why not start learning about changing oil filters etc,

          they could save themselves a fortune by doing everything themselves,

          what I have noticed in my town is, despite the abundance of information and cheap services on offer, which you have pointed out, many business have a website that offers no value, are not using facebook, do not have mobile websites, have not even claimed their google place listing, are not using SMS , do not have an optin on their website, have very poor call to action on their website, the list goes on.

          This shows me that business owners are not spending their days looking for the cheapest internet marketing providers, as you suggest.
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          • Profile picture of the author hh66
            Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

            So, to start a facebook campaign, business owners just need to
            google facebook, have a facebook page built for $55 and then look through the warrior forum and pick up a couple of WSO's on how to manage the campaign
            Of course, they do not need to do this :-)

            When they receive an offer to make a Fan Page,
            all they need do is have a quick check on Google
            (using any relevant terms) and they will instantly
            see "the competition".. and the fact that they are
            charging much less for the same thing, or something
            better.

            How long did it take them? About 1 minute.

            Would business owners bother to check? Yes, of
            course they would, and they should. After all, this
            is (as you say) something they probably don't know
            much about.

            Some of your reasoning is a bit daft... e.g. about
            changing Oil Filters.

            No one is saying there isn't a market for services like
            that. Everyone knows there is a "barrier of entry" on
            many services, and the skill & time element (involved
            in rendering the service) is all-important.

            But there is a WORLD of difference between those
            services and offering Fan Pages, where better options
            at a quarter the price (of the pricing structure referred
            to above) can be sourced easily and instantly.

            In the absence of an existing relationship, with the
            business, with Fan Pages you are seen to be offering
            a one-off (technical) item, much like a Chest of Drawers.
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            • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
              [QUOTE=hh66;3745749]Of course, they do not need to do this :-)

              When they receive an offer to make a Fan Page,
              all they need do is have a quick check on Google
              (using any relevant terms) and they will instantly
              see "the competition".. and the fact that they are
              charging much less for the same thing, or something
              better.

              How long did it take them? About 1 minute.

              Would business owners bother to check? Yes, of
              course they would, and they should. After all, this
              is (as you say) something they probably don't know
              much about.

              Some of your reasoning is a bit daft... e.g. about
              changing Oil Filters.

              No one is saying there isn't a market for services like
              that. Everyone knows there is a "barrier of entry" on
              many services, and the skill & time element (involved
              in rendering the service) is all-important.

              But there is a WORLD of difference between those
              services and offering Fan Pages, where better options
              at a quarter the price (of the pricing structure referred
              to above) can be sourced easily and instantly.

              In the absence of an existing relationship, with the
              business, with Fan Pages you are seen to be offering
              a one-off (technical) item, much like a Chest of Drawers.[/QUOTE

              How about this, you sell the fanpages to the businesses that you have relationships with and give them a special price, on the premise that if they are happy, they will give you a testimonial.

              You then show results and testimonials to new clients, justifying your prices, and focusing on ROI and the service you offer. You give the business owner ideas on how to grow the fan page, and offer to help out with implementing strategies, maybe a downloadable report, or showing them the best place to source table tents etc.

              Maybe you can give them other ideas, such as integrating a facebook compaign with SMS, this will work particularly well for bars, nightclubs etc

              will the outsourcer that builds facebook pages offer this service, will they have an understanding of the local market, will they be able to relate to the business owner and build a relationship ?

              For businesses that are used to paying hundreds,thousands, or tens of thousands of month on google adwords, radio stations, yellow pages, I dont believe asking a few hundred dollars, especially if backed up with some justification, is really too difficult to imagine.
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          • Profile picture of the author scarab
            Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

            So, to start a facebook campaign, business owners just need to
            google facebook, have a facebook page built for $55 and then look through the warrior forum and pick up a couple of WSO's on how to manage the campaign

            next they can look around on the warrior forum and find some competitive website designers

            Next they can find some cheap SEO service providers, get a few more WSOS , find out about wordpress, pay $5 PCM for hosting and wham bam,they have a nice website at the top of the search engines.

            Next they can buy a few more WSOs learn about google places, and then have top google place ranking.

            Next they can google mobile websites, pick up some more WSOs, read some threads and get a mobile website up and running.

            so this is possible for all business owners in your town,but why stop at internet marketing, why not start learning about changing oil filters etc,

            they could save themselves a fortune by doing everything themselves,

            what I have noticed in my town is, despite the abundance of information and cheap services on offer, which you have pointed out, many business have a website that offers no value, are not using facebook, do not have mobile websites, have not even claimed their google place listing, are not using SMS , do not have an optin on their website, have very poor call to action on their website, the list goes on.

            This shows me that business owners are not spending their days looking for the cheapest internet marketing providers, as you suggest.
            +1
            Most business owners large and small are too busy running their business to do the research and most don't even know what can be done and shouldn't be done. For really small business people I have seen where the owner ran the business and the significant other was put in charge of the online marketing which is usually even more disastrous in the end.

            These people are very willing to pay any amount within a large range and whatever fits their budget. Again it is the magical price your individual market can bear.
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            • Profile picture of the author hh66
              Originally Posted by scarab View Post

              Most business owners large and small are too busy running their business to do the research
              Sorry, I don't buy it...

              Most businesses are small and/or owner-operated, and
              whilst i'm not saying that a few hundred bucks is a lot
              of money, they still need to ensure they are getting
              value for money.

              And when they do their 1 minute "research" online they'll
              see that the biz who contacted them about the Fan Page
              is not the only game in town and that they can pick from
              the best page designers in the world, at the very best
              prices.

              ..and that may not include the biz that originally contacted
              them.

              But aside from price, there's another important reason for
              them to check:

              The service provider will be representing their business,
              and any business owner who values their biz will at least
              want to become somewhat acquainted with Fan Pages
              and what is possible there.
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              • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
                Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

                Sorry, I don't buy it...

                Most businesses are small and/or owner-operated, and
                whilst i'm not saying that a few hundred bucks is a lot
                of money, they still need to ensure they are getting
                value for money.

                And when they do their 1 minute "research" online they'll
                see that the biz who contacted them about the Fan Page
                is not the only game in town and that they can pick from
                the best page designers in the world, at the very best
                prices.

                ..and that may not include the biz that originally contacted
                them.

                But aside from price, there's another important reason for
                them to check:

                The service provider will be representing their business,
                and any business owner who values their biz will at least
                want to become somewhat acquainted with Fan Pages
                and what is possible there.
                OK , business owners dont pay any more than $55, and after a consultant has visited their establishment, they all contact social media saint and demand a facebook page.... I hope he is not a one man band, he is going to be rushed off his feet.

                I thought I had even seen warriors on the forum using some of the more expensive services, no , must have been my imagination.

                Does this mean you are going to compete with this pricing, or move onto another internet marketing service, but wait, cannot seo, website building, mobile website design all be sourced abroad for low prices

                Better find another industry to work in , close down the warrior forum , turn the lights out, business owners no longer prefer dealing with local businessman, and only deal with cheap foreign labour.

                so HH66,

                you have told us what doesnt work, but what does work ?
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                • Profile picture of the author hh66
                  Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

                  OK , business owners dont pay any more than $55, and after a consultant has visited their establishment, they all contact social media saint and demand a facebook page.... I hope he is not a one man band, he is going to be rushed off his feet.
                  Haha, I love it. Point taken.



                  Originally Posted by Bennette View Post

                  When you sell solely on price, there will always be somebody lower. Look at sites like Fiverr where people offer to create fan pages for $5, which is cheaper than the Warrior selling pages for $55.

                  Yes, this is very true, and you should never compete
                  on price alone. In this particular scenario, PRICE and
                  QUALITY are the main factors to consider...
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          • Profile picture of the author jeffrey73
            LMFAO! Thanks for the good laugh! I thoroughly enjoyed every minute of this entire conversation.

            Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

            So, to start a facebook campaign, business owners just need to
            google facebook, have a facebook page built for $55 and then look through the warrior forum and pick up a couple of WSO's on how to manage the campaign

            next they can look around on the warrior forum and find some competitive website designers

            Next they can find some cheap SEO service providers, get a few more WSOS , find out about wordpress, pay $5 PCM for hosting and wham bam,they have a nice website at the top of the search engines.

            Next they can buy a few more WSOs learn about google places, and then have top google place ranking.

            Next they can google mobile websites, pick up some more WSOs, read some threads and get a mobile website up and running.

            so this is possible for all business owners in your town,but why stop at internet marketing, why not start learning about changing oil filters etc
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          • Profile picture of the author Evan887
            Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

            So, to start a facebook campaign, business owners just need to
            google facebook, have a facebook page built for $55 and then look through the warrior forum and pick up a couple of WSO's on how to manage the campaign

            next they can look around on the warrior forum and find some competitive website designers

            Next they can find some cheap SEO service providers, get a few more WSOS , find out about wordpress, pay $5 PCM for hosting and wham bam,they have a nice website at the top of the search engines.

            Next they can buy a few more WSOs learn about google places, and then have top google place ranking.

            Next they can google mobile websites, pick up some more WSOs, read some threads and get a mobile website up and running.

            so this is possible for all business owners in your town,but why stop at internet marketing, why not start learning about changing oil filters etc,

            they could save themselves a fortune by doing everything themselves,

            what I have noticed in my town is, despite the abundance of information and cheap services on offer, which you have pointed out, many business have a website that offers no value, are not using facebook, do not have mobile websites, have not even claimed their google place listing, are not using SMS , do not have an optin on their website, have very poor call to action on their website, the list goes on.

            This shows me that business owners are not spending their days looking for the cheapest internet marketing providers, as you suggest.
            I totally agree. I've spent hours/days/years to learn about internet marketing and that is worth something. I found that even after I gave specific examples of how of an FB fan page to a client (because they couldn't afford me), they still did it wrong!

            I always think back to a FedEx story I once heard. For those of you my age or older, you know that every FedEx letter and package used to go through Memphis, TN even if it was going across the street. The story goes that the plant in Memphis broke down and all the conveyer belts stopped. They called the repair guy, he came over, looked around, went to a center console and turned a screw 1/4 turn. Everything came back on. He then proceeded to charge FedEx $10,000. When asked for an itemized bill, he wrote:

            $1 - Turning the screw
            $9,999 - Knowing which screw to turn

            That's what we do. We know which screw to turn. How many offline customers have ever heard of this site or of fiverr? Yes, they can do it themselves, but most of them wouldn't know where to start. I even had a client say that she was sitting around bored the day before I met her because she didn't know how to market her business. Frightening, but true.
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            • Profile picture of the author zoro
              Originally Posted by Evan887 View Post

              I totally agree. I've spent hours/days/years to learn about internet marketing and that is worth something. I found that even after I gave specific examples of how of an FB fan page to a client (because they couldn't afford me), they still did it wrong!

              I always think back to a FedEx story I once heard. For those of you my age or older, you know that every FedEx letter and package used to go through Memphis, TN even if it was going across the street. The story goes that the plant in Memphis broke down and all the conveyer belts stopped. They called the repair guy, he came over, looked around, went to a center console and turned a screw 1/4 turn. Everything came back on. He then proceeded to charge FedEx $10,000. When asked for an itemized bill, he wrote:

              $1 - Turning the screw
              $9,999 - Knowing which screw to turn

              That's what we do. We know which screw to turn. How many offline customers have ever heard of this site or of fiverr? Yes, they can do it themselves, but most of them wouldn't know where to start. I even had a client say that she was sitting around bored the day before I met her because she didn't know how to market her business. Frightening, but true.
              Yes, this is my experience too. Business owners will buy from someone they Know, Like, and Trust, and who knows how to do it for them.
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              • Profile picture of the author smartsites
                From my experience business owners aren't on WF looking for deals. They want to deal with someone local and who they know and they will pay $250 and up for a fan page. You need to sell yourself and sell your knowledge. Business people want to know they are dealing with someone that knows what they are doing. As for hosting, since you are doing wordpress sites then yes you can charge for hosting but I would keep it at no more than 7/mo or just let them host it. Most businesses already have hosting and you don't need a domain name so it's not a big deal. I've dealt with some of these India based cheap fan page builders and they do good work but they are very slow and hard to communicate with because of the time difference.
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                • Profile picture of the author zoro
                  Originally Posted by smartsites View Post

                  From my experience business owners aren't on WF looking for deals. They want to deal with someone local and who they know and they will pay $250 and up for a fan page. You need to sell yourself and sell your knowledge. Business people want to know they are dealing with someone that knows what they are doing. As for hosting, since you are doing wordpress sites then yes you can charge for hosting but I would keep it at no more than 7/mo or just let them host it. Most businesses already have hosting and you don't need a domain name so it's not a big deal. I've dealt with some of these India based cheap fan page builders and they do good work but they are very slow and hard to communicate with because of the time difference.
                  Hi smartsites, thanks for your great suggestions.
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            • Profile picture of the author DavidMarsigne
              Originally Posted by Evan887 View Post


              I always think back to a FedEx story I once heard. For those of you my age or older, you know that every FedEx letter and package used to go through Memphis, TN even if it was going across the street. The story goes that the plant in Memphis broke down and all the conveyer belts stopped. They called the repair guy, he came over, looked around, went to a center console and turned a screw 1/4 turn. Everything came back on. He then proceeded to charge FedEx $10,000. When asked for an itemized bill, he wrote:

              $1 - Turning the screw
              $9,999 - Knowing which screw to turn

              That's what we do. We know which screw to turn.
              lol, this was funny and so true. That's why a smart dentist doesn't sell his services at fiverr.
              This has been an interesting thread to read and I learned a few things. I used to restore and sell furniture and my clients never complained about my service. But they spanked me with: Do you mind if I asked you why you selling so cheap? They knew my stuff was good and they were willing to pay more. Some were business owners and reminded me about the unique skills and knowledge I had. But I was somehow afraid to raise my fees until I learned better. There will always be another person selling for less, but my clients returned to me for several reasons, to include the customer service, the quality of the work, and the relationship that was built. I was a local guy and even the local paper published a small article about my service Go Green » A voyage of restoration. So to OP, it's the value you place on your unique skills. It looks like you already have a good idea of the pricing. And may only need a little tweak depending on the local market, but the right person will see the value. If someone can't afford it then it's not for them and should seek elsewhere. My tools were expensive, my knowledge took time to gain, and so forth. I don't think that adjusting your lifestyle to another's budget would be fair for you. We can't all be walmart. You can get coffee for a buck at mcdonald's and yell at starbucks for overpricing coffee. It ain't about the coffee, well maybe for some. Sometimes people just like the experience and shop where they feel comfortable. They might like the personalized service that you can provide right in their face. Oh yeah, I recently spoke with a businessman and he has never been online, yeah, never used the internet and doesn't know how. This wasn't a shocker to me. He was too busy making money with the local crowd. And a couple others just gave me the deer in the headlight look when I mentioned a fanpage. To the right person I'm the expert at what I do and pay accordingly. Don't want to get far off the topic, looks to me like you're on the right path here, good questions and answers too. Thanks to all for sharing their thoughts.
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              • Profile picture of the author zoro
                Originally Posted by DavidMarsigne View Post

                lol, this was funny and so true. That's why a smart dentist doesn't sell his services at fiverr.
                This has been an interesting thread to read and I learned a few things. I used to restore and sell furniture and my clients never complained about my service. But they spanked me with: Do you mind if I asked you why you selling so cheap? They knew my stuff was good and they were willing to pay more. Some were business owners and reminded me about the unique skills and knowledge I had. But I was somehow afraid to raise my fees until I learned better. There will always be another person selling for less, but my clients returned to me for several reasons, to include the customer service, the quality of the work, and the relationship that was built. I was a local guy and even the local paper published a small article about my service Go Green » A voyage of restoration. So to OP, it's the value you place on your unique skills. It looks like you already have a good idea of the pricing. And may only need a little tweak depending on the local market, but the right person will see the value. If someone can't afford it then it's not for them and should seek elsewhere. My tools were expensive, my knowledge took time to gain, and so forth. I don't think that adjusting your lifestyle to another's budget would be fair for you. We can't all be walmart. You can get coffee for a buck at mcdonald's and yell at starbucks for overpricing coffee. It ain't about the coffee, well maybe for some. Sometimes people just like the experience and shop where they feel comfortable. They might like the personalized service that you can provide right in their face. Oh yeah, I recently spoke with a businessman and he has never been online, yeah, never used the internet and doesn't know how. This wasn't a shocker to me. He was too busy making money with the local crowd. And a couple others just gave me the deer in the headlight look when I mentioned a fanpage. To the right person I'm the expert at what I do and pay accordingly. Don't want to get far off the topic, looks to me like you're on the right path here, good questions and answers too. Thanks to all for sharing their thoughts.
                Thanks David, I appreciate your comments. yes, there has been some great info shared in this thread ... I'd like to thank everyone for their valuable input.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bennette
      Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

      I don't mean to be harsh, but why would anyone pay $175+ for
      a business page when they can get a fully tricked-out page for
      $55? And some services may be even better and cheaper than
      that...
      When you sell solely on price, there will always be somebody lower. Look at sites like Fiverr where people offer to create fan pages for $5, which is cheaper than the Warrior selling pages for $55.

      Why do business owners pay thousands of dollars for a website when they can go to a company that allows them to build a site for free? Heck, why do people pay for Wordpress themes when they can get one for free?

      In the offline world you will starve trying to make a living competing on price.

      I think the point should be you charge what you want, doesn't matter what I or the next person thinks. The business owner has to see the value in what your selling.

      Bottom line, the focus should be on how much you can increase their profits, or how establishing relationships with their targeted audience can grow their business or how utilizing a Free platform to brand their company is powerful.

      Stop selling the features and start benefits of what's in it for them (WIFT).

      When I meet with a prospect one of the 1st things I say is, many of the resources available to you are Free. The key is knowing what strategy to use that will work to get the best results for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author edakehurst
        Originally Posted by Bennette View Post


        Bottom line, the focus should be on how much you can increase their profits, or how establishing relationships with their targeted audience can grow their business or how utilizing a Free platform to brand their company is powerful.

        Stop selling the features and start benefits of what's in it for them (WIFT).

        When I meet with a prospect one of the 1st things I say is, many of the resources available to you are Free. The key is knowing what strategy to use that will work to get the best results for you.
        Bingo! Well said!

        When I meet with clients, it makes no difference if I am several hundred dollars higher than the guy who visited them yesterday. I'll get the contract, because I convince them they want to work with ME, not the other guy. I show credibility (I wrote and published a book on SEO, and so can everyone else in this business) and I let them know they are taking on a partner in a project to increase their bottom line, not just hiring a service provider.

        People pay (and pay well) for customer service and attention. In my market, a typical mobile-friendly website is about 200 bux. There are many people selling them. I can get $350-500 every time, even if they know the next guy is less than half the price. The key is to sell yourself and sell the benefits of what you provide and to let them know you offer a complete program (if you do). I always tell people never to be afraid to let them know you're the best.
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by Bennette View Post

        When you sell solely on price, there will always be somebody lower. Look at sites like Fiverr where people offer to create fan pages for $5, which is cheaper than the Warrior selling pages for $55.

        Why do business owners pay thousands of dollars for a website when they can go to a company that allows them to build a site for free? Heck, why do people pay for Wordpress themes when they can get one for free?

        In the offline world you will starve trying to make a living competing on price.

        I think the point should be you charge what you want, doesn't matter what I or the next person thinks. The business owner has to see the value in what your selling.

        Bottom line, the focus should be on how much you can increase their profits, or how establishing relationships with their targeted audience can grow their business or how utilizing a Free platform to brand their company is powerful.

        Stop selling the features and start benefits of what's in it for them (WIFT).

        When I meet with a prospect one of the 1st things I say is, many of the resources available to you are Free. The key is knowing what strategy to use that will work to get the best results for you.
        Hi Bennette, well said, I couldn't agree more. It's clear to me from your post that you understand the fundamentals of sales and marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
        Originally Posted by Bennette View Post

        When you sell solely on price, there will always be somebody lower. Look at sites like Fiverr where people offer to create fan pages for $5, which is cheaper than the Warrior selling pages for $55.

        Why do business owners pay thousands of dollars for a website when they can go to a company that allows them to build a site for free? Heck, why do people pay for Wordpress themes when they can get one for free?

        In the offline world you will starve trying to make a living competing on price.

        I think the point should be you charge what you want, doesn't matter what I or the next person thinks. The business owner has to see the value in what your selling.

        Bottom line, the focus should be on how much you can increase their profits, or how establishing relationships with their targeted audience can grow their business or how utilizing a Free platform to brand their company is powerful.

        Stop selling the features and start benefits of what's in it for them (WIFT).

        When I meet with a prospect one of the 1st things I say is, many of the resources available to you are Free. The key is knowing what strategy to use that will work to get the best results for you.
        Well said!! It is hard to wrap your brain around it at times. I try not to think about it too much, but considering your competition is a part of it. It is like trying to compete with WalMart! HA HA! But, you are right! WIFT!! And not everyone shops at WalMart!
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        • Profile picture of the author johncm
          I'll make this simple. I was a brick and mortor business. Owned a Automotive repair business. Competitive? oh yea! But I started out thinking I had to compete on price. So I did. had a lot of tech and a very busy shop. AND NO $$$$ at the end of the month. I stopped being the low price competitor and learned how to market. Jay Abraham style, wasn't even very good at it, but guess what. My prices went way up, my shop was not as full, let a lot of tech go. all of a sudden, I was making really good money. Lets not forget I no longer had to have to deal with bottom feeding moochers. My life improved like you wouldn't believe.
          My clients new I was more expensive than the shop(s) all around. Get this: THEY DID NOT CARE!! the service, peace of mind and value they were getting was well worth it and I made sure of that.

          Also, as a business owner, I loved to save where I can. thats only good management. I also new how to do a lot of the items I sourced out. BUT did not have the time or the will to do it my self or find the low price leader. Relationships are really important to me and quality is a must. You get that and you had my business. At almost any price.

          here's my point. Some of these businesses out there will know how to do it cheap. Then why have they not done it yet? Find the ones taht want a local personabel pro to help them out and you will win. Show them the money in money out. Why it pays to use you. It's not a cost if done right.

          excuse mthe typo's
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          • Profile picture of the author zoro
            Originally Posted by johncm View Post

            I'll make this simple. I was a brick and mortor business. Owned a Automotive repair business. Competitive? oh yea! But I started out thinking I had to compete on price. So I did. had a lot of tech and a very busy shop. AND NO $$$$ at the end of the month. I stopped being the low price competitor and learned how to market. Jay Abraham style, wasn't even very good at it, but guess what. My prices went way up, my shop was not as full, let a lot of tech go. all of a sudden, I was making really good money. Lets not forget I no longer had to have to deal with bottom feeding moochers. My life improved like you wouldn't believe.
            My clients new I was more expensive than the shop(s) all around. Get this: THEY DID NOT CARE!! the service, peace of mind and value they were getting was well worth it and I made sure of that.

            Also, as a business owner, I loved to save where I can. thats only good management. I also new how to do a lot of the items I sourced out. BUT did not have the time or the will to do it my self or find the low price leader. Relationships are really important to me and quality is a must. You get that and you had my business. At almost any price.

            here's my point. Some of these businesses out there will know how to do it cheap. Then why have they not done it yet? Find the ones taht want a local personabel pro to help them out and you will win. Show them the money in money out. Why it pays to use you. It's not a cost if done right.

            excuse mthe typo's
            Well said Johncm. I see your point and totally get it. Thanks for your great comments.
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    • Profile picture of the author daveman
      Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

      I was dissuaded from doing Fan Page design services, as I
      discovered that sites like socialmediasaint.com were offering
      top notch custom pages for just $55.

      I don't know for sure, but I think this particular site operates
      from India. Anyway, it struck me that Fan/Business Page design
      services are (essentially) just design jobs and that there are
      few in the Western world who could compete with the quality
      and pricing that can be found in countries such as India, China,
      Malaysia, etc..

      I don't mean to be harsh, but why would anyone pay $175+ for
      a business page when they can get a fully tricked-out page for
      $55? And some services may be even better and cheaper than
      that...

      Anyway, all the best with your service.

      Good luck

      I think you are missing the point.

      We all like to pay different prices for goods and services.

      If people only wanted the cheapest, there would be no premium brands or services, we would all buy the cheapest of everything.

      In fact some people will not buy something if it's priced too low because it will seem cheap i.e. lower quality.

      IMO
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      • Profile picture of the author daveman
        I think price depends on your market and your positioning.

        If you target people that are happy to pay $500 then that is what you should charge.
        If you target people that are happy to pay $300 then that is what you should charge.
        If you target people that want to pay $5 then I would have to question your strategy

        Give the choice I think it's probably a better idea to target people that are willing to pay $300 to $500 + rather than people that are looking to pay the lowest price.

        IMO
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  • Originally Posted by zoro View Post

    Here is what I thought I would charge:

    $175 - $375 (depending on complexity) for a custom page design.
    $10 - $20 per month hosting.

    Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?
    Years ago my friend built a business offering $1 websites (with that offer as part of his company name) and built himself a nice hosting business. With the $1 site business model, he easily attracted new clients. He was such an incredible graphics designer that he eventually was snagged up into a corporate job. Okay, now here's the fun part: Years later, the hosting revenue is still comining in. (he hasn't touched the business in many years, other than doing some minor site changes for clients)

    .. > Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?

    So the, based on my knowledge of what my friend built for himself,
    if I myself were doing the facebook iframes pages business,
    I'd position my company as offering Free facebook pages,
    with revenue coming from hosting, and run the marketing in 2 phases:

    Phase 1:

    Objective is to get 20 clients in my portfolio.
    To get there, for the first 20 clients I'd charge $3/month hosting
    for first year, followed by $9/month for subsequent years.

    Phase 2:

    Objective is to build a recurring revenue (approx $10/month.
    To get there, I'd offer the first 3 months of hosting free,
    then their account would convert to $9/month hosting.
    And I'd remove all risk by giving them the opportunity to
    cancel during the free period.

    As an upsell, I'd offer $19/month plans that include
    limited free changes to their facebook iframes page.
    And those on the $9 plan who want some changes,
    would be required to a programming fee of $xx,
    ...or, instead they could convert to $19/month hosting
    and commit to 3 months minimum.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by Your Brand Ebooks View Post

      Years ago my friend built a business offering $1 websites (with that offer as part of his company name) and built himself a nice hosting business. With the $1 site business model, he easily attracted new clients. He was such an incredible graphics designer that he eventually was snagged up into a corporate job. Okay, now here's the fun part: Years later, the hosting revenue is still comining in. (he hasn't touched the business in many years, other than doing some minor site changes for clients)

      .. > Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?

      So the, based on my knowledge of what my friend built for himself,
      if I myself were doing the facebook iframes pages business,
      I'd position my company as offering Free facebook pages,
      with revenue coming from hosting, and run the marketing in 2 phases:

      Phase 1:

      Objective is to get 20 clients in my portfolio.
      To get there, for the first 20 clients I'd charge $3/month hosting
      for first year, followed by $9/month for subsequent years.

      Phase 2:

      Objective is to build a recurring revenue (approx $10/month.
      To get there, I'd offer the first 3 months of hosting free,
      then their account would convert to $9/month hosting.
      And I'd remove all risk by giving them the opportunity to
      cancel during the free period.

      As an upsell, I'd offer $19/month plans that include
      limited free changes to their facebook iframes page.
      And those on the $9 plan who want some changes,
      would be required to a programming fee of ,
      ...or, instead they could convert to $19/month hosting
      and commit to 3 months minimum.
      Hi, you offer some great ideas and food for thought. Appreciate your imput.
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    • Profile picture of the author JerryKuzma
      hey 'your brand ebooks' , that is the most sound advice i've seen on this thread. instead of trying to score big on the front end, your advice would build trust and value on the front and lead to faster sales and more stable recurrent income on the backend. well done....excellent advice....jk
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    • Profile picture of the author hh66
      Originally Posted by shoppingonline View Post

      Hello!
      I'm hacker and seller.
      I have list:

      =====> Cvv
      - US
      (visa,master) = 2$ for 1cc
      (amex,discover) = 4$ for 1cc
      (bin,dob,pass vbv) = 6$ for 1cc

      - UK
      (visa,master) = 5$ for 1cc
      (amex,discover) = 7$ for 1cc
      (bin,dob,pass vbv) = 10$ for 1cc

      - CA
      (visa,master) = 8$ for 1cc
      (amex,discover) = 10$ for 1cc
      (bin,dob,pass vbv) = 12$ for 1cc

      - AU
      (visa,master) = 10$ for 1cc
      (amex,discover) = 12$ for 1cc
      (bin,dob,pass vbv) = 15$ for 1cc

      - Ger, Fr, Eu, Inter, Italia, Spain, Japan...
      (visa,master) = 15$ for 1cc
      (amex,discover) = 17$ for 1cc
      (bin,dob,pass vbv) = 20$ for 1cc

      =====> Paypal account
      - Paypal with pass email = 50 $ for 1
      - Paypal don't have pass email = 30 $ for 1
      - Paypal Veritified with balance 2000$ = 100$ for 1
      - Paypal Veritified with balance 4000$ = 200$ for 1
      - Paypal Veritified with balance 10000$ = 500$ for 1
      - Paypal Veritified with balance 20000$ = 1000$ for 1

      ====>>> Bank login
      - Bank Chase
      - Bank Wachovia
      - Bank Boa
      - Bank Credit Union
      - Bank Hallifax
      - Bank Compass
      - Bank Wellsfargo
      - Bank Abbey
      - Bank in Hsbc
      - Bank Barclays
      - Price 50$ for all bank good banlance.

      ====>>> dumps track 1 & 2
      - Tracks 1&2 US = 50$ for 1
      - Tracks 1&2 UK = 70$ for 1
      - Tracks 1&2 CA,AU = 90$ for 1
      - Tracks 1&2 EU,Ger,Fr... = 100$ for 1
      - Track1=5232556061018719WYATT/ROBERTSON1007101171410000271000000
      - Track2=5232556061018719=10071011000042400000
      - pin: 5678,5432,5187,5505....

      =====> Ship Iphone and Laptop
      - Ship iphone 4g = 100$ for 1
      - Ship iphone 3g = 50$ for 1
      - Ship ipad = 100$ for 1
      - Ship Laptop Vaio = 200$ for 1
      - Ship Laptop Dell = 150$ for 1
      - Ship Laptop HP = 100$ for 1
      - SHIP LAPTOP APPLE = 150$ for 1
      - SHIP LAPTOP HP + DELL = 120$ for 1
      - SHIP LAPTOP TOSHIBA = 80$ for 1
      - SHIP LAPTOP LENOVO = 100$ for 1

      1.I always check cvv good before sending for you.
      2.I will send cvv to you when I receive payment.
      3.I only accept LR and WU.
      4.cc if you buy in bulk discount would.
      5.I want long term business with my clients.
      5.I am very pleased to partner with you.

      Contact me:
      Y!H: shopping.online89
      I doubt you'll find any takers here, but if you contact
      your local police dept, i'm sure they will have an interest
      in your services...
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  • Profile picture of the author elitesoldier
    id suggest 500+ but thats just me
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by elitesoldier View Post

      id suggest 500+ but thats just me
      Hi elitesoldier, thanks for your comment. So you think I'm setting my pricing a bit too low? What about hosting, how much should I charge for that?

      Are you currently selling FB Pages at $500?
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      • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
        Originally Posted by zoro View Post

        Hi elitesoldier, thanks for your comment. So you think I'm setting my pricing a bit too low? What about hosting, how much should I charge for that?

        Are you currently selling FB Pages at $500?
        The only way you are going to know , is to test the market. Do not make the mistake of over thinking everything. Just go out into the real world and find out what businesses are willing to pay.

        Start off low, and then increase prices as your experience and confidence grows.
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

          The only way you are going to know , is to test the market. Do not make the mistake of over thinking everything. Just go out into the real world and find out what businesses are willing to pay.

          Start off low, and then increase prices as your experience and confidence grows.
          Thanks, any ideas re price for hosting ?
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          • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
            Originally Posted by zoro View Post

            Thanks, any ideas re price for hosting ?
            Again, test the market. Price is always negotiable. If I tell you $20, will you turn down a prospect because they are only willing to pay $10 PCM ?

            If I could go back a few years, I would master just one marketing strategy ( at least well enough to talk be able to look knowledgable in front of customers ). then focus purely on sales .

            If you can sell, you are setting yourself up to succeed. My mistake was to spend too much time learning strategies that have made me no actual money.

            Once you start selling, you can adjust your prices and services according to what your local market dictates.

            You will not make any money agonising over the details
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            • Profile picture of the author hh66
              Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

              My mistake was to spend too much time learning strategies that have made me no actual money.
              Hey Phil,

              Do you mean the strategies themselves were ineffective, or are you referring to the act of getting "lost" in the various learning processes; something that is all too easy to do!
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              • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
                Originally Posted by hh66 View Post

                Hey Phil,

                Do you mean the strategies themselves were ineffective, or are you referring to the act of getting "lost" in the various learning processes; something that is all too easy to do!
                What I mean Is that you get tempted by the bright shiney objects, lots of the strategies were OK, but if you are learning, you aint earning
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                • Profile picture of the author MiniBay
                  Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

                  What I mean Is that you get tempted by the bright shiney objects, lots of the strategies were OK, but if you are learning, you aint earning
                  Love this quote -

                  if you are learning, you aint earning.... think iv be learning far to long
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                  • Profile picture of the author zoro
                    Originally Posted by MiniBay View Post

                    Love this quote -

                    if you are learning, you aint earning.... think iv be learning far to long
                    Hi MiniBay, yeah this kinda rings true for me too. Thanks for your comment.
                    PS: I note in your profile title you are Facebook Marketing. Are you selling Fanpages?
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    • Profile picture of the author Saito
      Originally Posted by elitesoldier View Post

      id suggest 500+ but thats just me
      Who would pay that much when you can get one made for $5? And don't tell me "You get what you pay for."
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      • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
        Originally Posted by alan.brymer View Post

        Who would pay that much when you can get one made for $5? And don't tell me "You get what you pay for."
        Hi Alan,

        I would like to take you up on your offer of $5 for a customised facebook page. I would like it to have video, top quality graphics, good sales copy, a strong call to action, stunning phtotos, 5 pages, built on wordpress , html 5 and CSS3 compliant, I want an image rotator, actually a walk on actor will be great but perhaps this would be pushing it for $5. The reveal function goes without saying.

        . Please give me a mock up first of all, and when it is approved, you can go ahead with the final draft. I would like the facebook page to be completely unique , and pass copyscape. With actual design, just let your imagination run riot.

        The facebook page will be designed for my internet marketing consultancy business

        Does the $5 include hosting and please let me know what after service you provide, I would not expect 24/7 for $5, normal working hours will suffice.

        and I am right with you buddy, not one mention of you get what you pay for.

        How long before I see the first draft ?, I can provide further details upon request about my business.

        and if you can provide this in a timely manner, you will receive a huge glowing testimonial from me for your $5 fan page business.

        very much looking forward to your reply. I suspect your $5 fanpage service is going to go viral.

        can you tell me whatever services you offer at this one payment fits all mentality, SEO , website building, SMS ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ARS
    I think it really depends on your target market.
    If you're selling to small local businesses you could easily charge them $500+ because they've got no idea of value, all they know is what you tell them.

    Also you can just add a static FBML tab so you host nothing yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author hh66
      Originally Posted by ARS View Post

      Also you can just add a static FBML tab so you host nothing yourself.
      Can you do an app without hosting it?

      Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

      What I mean Is that you get tempted by the bright shiney objects, lots of the strategies were OK, but if you are learning, you aint earning

      Oh god yes, there's lots of "shiny" on this forum.
      Ideally, it's the unshiny (and possibly downright
      dirty) that i'm after...
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by ARS View Post

      I think it really depends on your target market.
      If you're selling to small local businesses you could easily charge them $500+ because they've got no idea of value, all they know is what you tell them.

      Also you can just add a static FBML tab so you host nothing yourself.
      Hi Ars, thanks for adding your comment. If I understand correctly a FBML tab still requires hosting of the images. But I don't like the limitations of FBML and would rather concentrate on using the new iFrame platform.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Kurt
    Just like with so many other questions out there, the answer really is... "It depends"

    Your background/skills and ability to communicate a clear vision for your client will absolutely help to establish the value proposition that you are putting forth.

    A Fanpage may very well be a loss leader or even a giveaway item for someone (like myself) who is interested in business and marketing consulting.
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    • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
      I am trying this tactic now, I part build a facebook page for a business, hopefully this will attract their attention,
      the next part of the plan is for them to click the like button, which demonstrates the reveal function,and gives me an opportunity to say more about my business.
      At the moment I just have a generic video about google places, but this will
      be replaced by my own video.
      Have been using rotating images for added effect, but these stopped working
      when trying to use peel function ?
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      I shall also stress to business owners the opportunity for cross promotion, and once they have a significant number of followers, this puts them in a great position to do deals with other local businesses.
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

        I am trying this tactic now, I part build a facebook page for a business, hopefully this will attract their attention,
        the next part of the plan is for them to click the like button, which demonstrates the reveal function,and gives me an opportunity to say more about my business.
        At the moment I just have a generic video about google places, but this will
        be replaced by my own video.
        Have been using rotating images for added effect, but these stopped working
        when trying to use peel function ?
        Welcome to Facebook - Log In, Sign Up or Learn More

        I shall also stress to business owners the opportunity for cross promotion, and once they have a significant number of followers, this puts them in a great position to do deals with other local businesses.
        Hi Philboy,

        I like your thinking outside the box. I think your idea should work a treat. Your facebook page looks great and is working fine.
        What prices are you planning to charge and will you charge for hosting?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Tran
      For my area, I charge around 750. But I sell on relationships and offer marketing consultation and advice.

      I find that successful business owners understand the value of focusing on their core business and outsourcing everything else. These are the types of discussions that I have with them.
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  • Profile picture of the author mobetman
    This has been a very interesting thread. One of my favorites. My opinion - Yes many business owners will do some kind of search to make sure they're not being cheated but many won't. It's a numbers game. As one person stated earlier, if price was the only issue, the firm in India would have ALL the business and nobody else would have any.

    Also, when I did a search to find out what Fan Page vendors are charging I only found companies charging between $97 - $799 (I didn't do an exhaustive search). My point is, even though there are cheaper vendors out there, not everyone is or can find them. That's true with any business...like mechanics for changing oil filters, as another poster stated.

    When dealing with offline or even online clients, it boils down to providing value. To determine that, I survey what my competition is charging, as well as, what benefits AND features they offer. I make a complete list of what everyone offers and then make sure I provide at least one more benefit and if possible feature.

    So for the Facebook Fan Pages, I offer this advice to the OP - Don't lower your prices because the market is supporting (at least for now) charging $97 - $799. Instead offer value that justifies your higher price point.

    You don't sell Fanpages, you're selling a marketing channel to generate more leads, sales, customer engagement, etc. And here's how you separate yourself from your competition, provide value, and justify higher price points.

    Identify a specific client(s) and create a Fan Page in advance of meeting them. Add their logo/branding, info from their website, opt-in form with MailChimp (free) and any additional functionality that would help the company (i.e. coupons, survey/polling, etc.). Now here's the key point. Drive fans to the page!! (There are several ways to get fans to a Fan Page. I'll leave that research to you if you don't know how to do it. It's beyond the scope of this thread and answer.)

    Now think about your value proposition, you've premade a branded Fan Page, with industry specific functionality AND given them already subscribed fans on their page. If you call or walk into a business with the above mentioned product, you should be able to easily get the sell and include an ongoing marketing upsell with the package.

    If they don't take the deal, just change the branding to the next business in that industry. So if it's a local restaurant called Joe's, just change it to Bob's and take the same deal to him. The industry specific functionality is the key here.

    Once you get several clients that way, you should be able to start growing your business from referrals and upsells.

    Hope this helps the OP and others.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by mobetman View Post

      This has been a very interesting thread. One of my favorites. My opinion - Yes many business owners will do some kind of search to make sure they're not being cheated but many won't. It's a numbers game. As one person stated earlier, if price was the only issue, the firm in India would have ALL the business and nobody else would have any.

      Also, when I did a search to find out what Fan Page vendors are charging I only found companies charging between $97 - $799 (I didn't do an exhaustive search). My point is, even though there are cheaper vendors out there, not everyone is or can find them. That's true with any business...like mechanics for changing oil filters, as another poster stated.

      When dealing with offline or even online clients, it boils down to providing value. To determine that, I survey what my competition is charging, as well as, what benefits AND features they offer. I make a complete list of what everyone offers and then make sure I provide at least one more benefit and if possible feature.

      So for the Facebook Fan Pages, I offer this advice to the OP - Don't lower your prices because the market is supporting (at least for now) charging $97 - $799. Instead offer value that justifies your higher price point.

      You don't sell Fanpages, you're selling a marketing channel to generate more leads, sales, customer engagement, etc. And here's how you separate yourself from your competition, provide value, and justify higher price points.

      Identify a specific client(s) and create a Fan Page in advance of meeting them. Add their logo/branding, info from their website, opt-in form with MailChimp (free) and any additional functionality that would help the company (i.e. coupons, survey/polling, etc.). Now here's the key point. Drive fans to the page!! (There are several ways to get fans to a Fan Page. I'll leave that research to you if you don't know how to do it. It's beyond the scope of this thread and answer.)

      Now think about your value proposition, you've premade a branded Fan Page, with industry specific functionality AND given them already subscribed fans on their page. If you call or walk into a business with the above mentioned product, you should be able to easily get the sell and include an ongoing marketing upsell with the package.

      If they don't take the deal, just change the branding to the next business in that industry. So if it's a local restaurant called Joe's, just change it to Bob's and take the same deal to him. The industry specific functionality is the key here.

      Once you get several clients that way, you should be able to start growing your business from referrals and upsells.

      Hope this helps the OP and others.
      Hi mobetman, thanks for sharing your thoughts and comments with everyone. You offer some great ideas and advice, much apprciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author sparky2010
    It is a little hard to justify hosting for a Facebook page which is already free for everyone to use.
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    • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
      Originally Posted by sparky2010 View Post

      It is a little hard to justify hosting for a Facebook page which is already free for everyone to use.
      Facebook do not host customised pages, if a business owner wants to take advantage of iframes, the site has to hosted elsewhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by sparky2010 View Post

      It is a little hard to justify hosting for a Facebook page which is already free for everyone to use.
      Hi sparky, the iFrame webpage, contents and images all have to be hosted separately on your own server, (facebook don't do it) that's why I was considering a hosting fee.
      I appreciate your comment, thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Wyteria Jacobo
        Zoro,

        Thanks for bringing this up because I was just wondering the same thing.

        I have a meeting next week and I wanted to mention our Facebook package but wanted to make sure I wasn't selling myself short. (I tend to do that; guess it's just a matter of me increasing my confidence and getting more practice.

        In the end, our clients tend to do what we ask them to do. So if we ask them for lesss than what we're worth, that's what we will receive.
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by Wyteria Jacobo View Post

          Zoro,

          Thanks for bringing this up because I was just wondering the same thing.

          I have a meeting next week and I wanted to mention our Facebook package but wanted to make sure I wasn't selling myself short. (I tend to do that; guess it's just a matter of me increasing my confidence and getting more practice.

          In the end, our clients tend to do what we ask them to do. So if we ask them for lesss than what we're worth, that's what we will receive.
          Hi Wyteria,

          Yes, the bit I'm still not sure about is the hosting. Should I or should I not .. Charge for it?
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  • Profile picture of the author stevejuriburg
    I think it would be like this. I don't particularly like this idea. You are giving yourself less control. Photobucket can delete or suspend accounts at any time for no reason. It is really amazing and outstanding.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by stevejuriburg View Post

      I think it would be like this. I don't particularly like this idea. You are giving yourself less control. Photobucket can delete or suspend accounts at any time for no reason. It is really amazing and outstanding.
      I think you are posting here just to get your post count up?
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      • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
        One of the finest examples of a facebook page that I have seen is by a company that makes sign posts for realtors / estate agents. I think their concept would work well for many businesses, particularly those that do a lot of B2B ( accountants, buisness advisors, corporate lawyers, )

        Login | Facebook

        They provide free marketing help for realtors, in the form of free ebooks, and weekly newsletters. They have over 34,000 people that like their facebook page.

        This concept is very scalable, and great for internet marketers to implement.You could work with different industries, and just rebrand the newsletters, pdf's.

        Is anybody interested in implementing this strategy ?. By a few of us working together, producing ebooks etc, their would be very little work involved, and its also a great way of getting your business in front of other Businesses.
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

          One of the finest examples of a facebook page that I have seen is by a company that makes sign posts for realtors / estate agents. I think their concept would work well for many businesses, particularly those that do a lot of B2B ( accountants, buisness advisors, corporate lawyers, )

          Login | Facebook

          They provide free marketing help for realtors, in the form of free ebooks, and weekly newsletters. They have over 34,000 people that like their facebook page.

          This concept is very scalable, and great for internet marketers to implement.You could work with different industries, and just rebrand the newsletters, pdf's.

          Is anybody interested in implementing this strategy ?. By a few of us working together, producing ebooks etc, their would be very little work involved, and its also a great way of getting your business in front of other Businesses.
          Absolutely brilliant !!! ... I love this idea. Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneyerr
    I think your rates are low. Because the facebook is the most popular social site having GPR10. People can afford even higher prices to place their pages on facebook because they know that they will get a lot of traffic to their website and be helpful in increasing their revenue.
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    • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
      Originally Posted by Moneyerr View Post

      I think your rates are low. Because the facebook is the most popular social site having GPR10. People can afford even higher prices to place their pages on facebook because they know that they will get a lot of traffic to their website and be helpful in increasing their revenue.
      Rates depend on what services you offer, your experience at selling, the clients you are going after ,how well you position yourself and how much a client believes you are worth.

      There is nothing wrong with starting low, getting a few clients to build confidence , and then adjust rates later on.

      Just because a business has a page on facebook does not guarantee traffic, so I cannot see this as justification on its own for charging high prices.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by Moneyerr View Post

      I think your rates are low. Because the facebook is the most popular social site having GPR10. People can afford even higher prices to place their pages on facebook because they know that they will get a lot of traffic to their website and be helpful in increasing their revenue.
      Hi Moneyerr, thanks for your comment. Yes, I guess some can afford higher prices.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Louisa
    Agree with James.

    Sometimes if client signs up with us on-going services, we don't mind giving them free fan page set up. In other instances, when I am building portfolio to include clients from different industry, I may also give away free page set up.

    Your price does look reasonable and if you throw in more features or complexities, you could bump it p to $500 - that seems to be an acceptable amount with custom welcome tab/email opt in forms integration.


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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by Coach Louisa View Post

      Agree with James.

      Sometimes if client signs up with us on-going services, we don't mind giving them free fan page set up. In other instances, when I am building portfolio to include clients from different industry, I may also give away free page set up.

      Your price does look reasonable and if you throw in more features or complexities, you could bump it p to $500 - that seems to be an acceptable amount with custom welcome tab/email opt in forms integration.


      Louisa
      Hi Louisa, I know that by adding on extra features and benefits I could demand a higher price. As I am only just starting out I thought I would keep it simple. I am still not sure if I should be charging for hosting?
      Thanks for sharing your info with us.
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      • Profile picture of the author JerryKuzma
        Originally Posted by zoro View Post

        Hi Louisa, I know that by adding on extra features and benefits I could demand a higher price. As I am only just starting out I thought I would keep it simple. I am still not sure if I should be charging for hosting?
        Thanks for sharing your info with us.
        yes, you absolutely should be charging for hosting---they ought to be paying recurrent fees, as you are offering them a recurring service, ie you are hosting their information. if they stop paying you in month 2, you cut them off. otherwise, you are stuck with hosting their page forever with no income for it. even 10 per month is low, but it is the minimum you should charge..... jerry
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by JerryKuzma View Post

          yes, you absolutely should be charging for hosting---they ought to be paying recurrent fees, as you are offering them a recurring service, ie you are hosting their information. if they stop paying you in month 2, you cut them off. otherwise, you are stuck with hosting their page forever with no income for it. even 10 per month is low, but it is the minimum you should charge..... jerry
          Thanks Jerry, what you say about hosting makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tara
    When you guys are pricing your fan pages do you take into account the graphics you do for the client...as far as the grahics are concerned couldn't we just use the header graphics and photos that they may already have on their website or is this illegal because we really dont want their fan page looking totally diff. from their site for branding purposes?

    I also offer my clients customized video which adds to the value.
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    • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
      Originally Posted by Tara View Post

      When you guys are pricing your fan pages do you take into account the graphics you do for the client...as far as the grahics are concerned couldn't we just use the header graphics and photos that they may already have on their website or is this illegal because we really dont want their fan page looking totally diff. from their site for branding purposes?

      I also offer my clients customized video which adds to the value.
      Hi Tara,

      I have also been wondering the legalities of using images taken from a customers website.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tara
        Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

        Hi Tara,

        I have also been wondering the legalities of using images taken from a customers website.


        Hi Philboy uk

        I do know customized graphics could add to the rate you charge but using their graphics could possibly save us time and the clients money...may be someone else could add something
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  • Profile picture of the author Tina Williams
    Originally Posted by zoro View Post

    I'm currently setting up my own facebook page to show examples of custom business fan pages.
    Since facebook now uses iFrames it means that I will need to host all of my clients fan pages on my sever.
    So I'm thinking I should be charging for the hosting on top of my one off price for a custom fan page design.

    Here is what I thought I would charge:

    $175 - $375 (depending on complexity) for a custom page design.
    $10 - $20 per month hosting.

    Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?
    Hello! I have been doing Facebook Pages for about 2 years now and have escalated from charging $395 to now my bottom line Facebook Page is $1295 and technically, I am not even taking new business.

    I see that you are in Australia right? Base your pricing off what works for you and how you value your own services first, look at what the market in you area can bear, do a great job on those first few out then step it up a notch.

    The hosting part is a good idea and leaves you room and plenty of reason to stay in touch with your clients! You can look to create other services for them including Twitter, additional Facebook accounts (depending on the business needs), contests, sites, seo, etc. etc! Upsell and cross sell services with existing clients is far easier thank bringing in new ones!

    Good luck to you!

    Tina, KLT Coach
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    • Profile picture of the author buckeye04
      Originally Posted by tina0827 View Post

      Hello! I have been doing Facebook Pages for about 2 years now and have escalated from charging $395 to now my bottom line Facebook Page is $1295 and technically, I am not even taking new business.

      I see that you are in Australia right? Base your pricing off what works for you and how you value your own services first, look at what the market in you area can bear, do a great job on those first few out then step it up a notch.

      The hosting part is a good idea and leaves you room and plenty of reason to stay in touch with your clients! You can look to create other services for them including Twitter, additional Facebook accounts (depending on the business needs), contests, sites, seo, etc. etc! Upsell and cross sell services with existing clients is far easier thank bringing in new ones!

      Good luck to you!

      Tina, KLT Coach

      Wow, $1295 per fan page? Just curious as to what all is included in that price and how complex it is? Are we talking 1 page, a 2 page reveal, a mini-site with wordpress or what exactly are they getting? I assume you customize everything?

      Thanks!

      Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by tina0827 View Post

      Hello! I have been doing Facebook Pages for about 2 years now and have escalated from charging $395 to now my bottom line Facebook Page is $1295 and technically, I am not even taking new business.

      I see that you are in Australia right? Base your pricing off what works for you and how you value your own services first, look at what the market in you area can bear, do a great job on those first few out then step it up a notch.

      The hosting part is a good idea and leaves you room and plenty of reason to stay in touch with your clients! You can look to create other services for them including Twitter, additional Facebook accounts (depending on the business needs), contests, sites, seo, etc. etc! Upsell and cross sell services with existing clients is far easier thank bringing in new ones!

      Good luck to you!

      Tina, KLT Coach
      Tina, you offer some great info and tips. Thanks for sharing ... much appreciated.
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    hi friends i am new member here .today i have joined this site it is great site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Riz
    Well, to add to this discussion i charge between £695 to £995 for Facebook fan pages.

    Now i have seen on this thread many are in disbelief that Facebook pages can be charged at high rates when you can simply find alternative sources for a lot cheaper.

    Here are my thoughts on this:

    1) If you are simply selling a 'design' as opposed to a marketing system that will benefit the business owner with increased sales and profits then you are not doing the job of being a consultant very well. You are simply following the herd of designers offering cheap solutions.

    2) When you are able to communicate the benefits of a system to a business owner and relate those benefits to increased sales and profits using their figures then your price becomes a no brainer for the business owner.

    3) Bottom line is it all comes down to how you view your services. If you view them and at at the same time communicate them in terms of real benefits in terms of increased sales and profits to the business owner then you can charge a much higher rate.

    Provide solutions to the problems that business owners are encountering and you will succeed in this business.

    Let me give you an example. We have a client that is a hair designer. By providing them a solution using facebook, ie a marketing and follow up system utilising the power of the reach of Facebook they increased their business by over 50% in a few short months.

    Do you think if they went with a $55 Facebook fan page design service they would have been able to do that? Now our price becomes far lower to them even although their upfront cost is more.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tracy411
      Originally Posted by Riz View Post

      Well, to add to this discussion i charge between £695 to £995 for Facebook fan pages.

      Now i have seen on this thread many are in disbelief that Facebook pages can be charged at high rates when you can simply find alternative sources for a lot cheaper.

      Here are my thoughts on this:

      1) If you are simply selling a 'design' as opposed to a marketing system that will benefit the business owner with increased sales and profits then you are not doing the job of being a consultant very well. You are simply following the herd of designers offering cheap solutions.

      2) When you are able to communicate the benefits of a system to a business owner and relate those benefits to increased sales and profits using their figures then your price becomes a no brainer for the business owner.

      3) Bottom line is it all comes down to how you view your services. If you view them and at at the same time communicate them in terms of real benefits in terms of increased sales and profits to the business owner then you can charge a much higher rate.

      Provide solutions to the problems that business owners are encountering and you will succeed in this business.

      Let me give you an example. We have a client that is a hair designer. By providing them a solution using facebook, ie a marketing and follow up system utilising the power of the reach of Facebook they increased their business by over 50% in a few short months.

      Do you think if they went with a $55 Facebook fan page design service they would have been able to do that? Now our price becomes far lower to them even although their upfront cost is more.

      Riz
      I wanted to offer my 2 cents here.

      I agree with you. What everyone has to remember is that when you, as a marketing consultant, charge for a FB Fan Page, you are not just charging for the FB Fan Page. You are also charging for your marketing expertise. Also, presumably the consultant would give input to the actual Fan Page designer regarding the contents and layout of the Page, with the client's unique marketing needs in mind. The client is paying the price they pay, not only for the Page itself, but for your time and expertise. You, as a consultant, not merely someone who takes an order for a Fan Page, will be concerned with helping that Fan Page grow the amount of money the business makes as a result of having this Facebook presence. In most cases, when someone pays $55 for a Fan Page, they are getting just that: a Fan Page. It might be a very good looking Page, but they do not get the benefit of anything more than having the Page sitting on FB.

      That being said, though we obviously need to have a pricing structure in mind, I think there always needs to be room for flexibility, such as for a client's needs, the complexity of the Page, your time and needs, where you operate out of/live (some places are more expensive to live in and so command higher prices for goods and services), etc.

      As far as hosting, since the Page contents are hosted on your server, I would say it is reasonable to charge for hosting.

      Of course, we are all in offline marketing to make money. I think that as long as we deliver, or rather over-deliver, in value and service, and are confident we are not getting over zealous with our pricing, then there is room for variance in our pricing structure. I don't think there is a one size fits all model here.
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by Tracy411 View Post

        I wanted to offer my 2 cents here.

        I agree with you. What everyone has to remember is that when you, as a marketing consultant, charge for a FB Fan Page, you are not just charging for the FB Fan Page. You are also charging for your marketing expertise. Also, presumably the consultant would give input to the actual Fan Page designer regarding the contents and layout of the Page, with the client's unique marketing needs in mind. The client is paying the price they pay, not only for the Page itself, but for your time and expertise. You, as a consultant, not merely someone who takes an order for a Fan Page, will be concerned with helping that Fan Page grow the amount of money the business makes as a result of having this Facebook presence. In most cases, when someone pays $55 for a Fan Page, they are getting just that: a Fan Page. It might be a very good looking Page, but they do not get the benefit of anything more than having the Page sitting on FB.

        That being said, though we obviously need to have a pricing structure in mind, I think there always needs to be room for flexibility, such as for a client's needs, the complexity of the Page, your time and needs, where you operate out of/live (some places are more expensive to live in and so command higher prices for goods and services), etc.

        As far as hosting, since the Page contents are hosted on your server, I would say it is reasonable to charge for hosting.

        Of course, we are all in offline marketing to make money. I think that as long as we deliver, or rather over-deliver, in value and service, and are confident we are not getting over zealous with our pricing, then there is room for variance in our pricing structure. I don't think there is a one size fits all model here.
        Hi Tracy411, thanks for your comments, they make a lot of sense. I can understand that not one size fits all, but sometimes it's good to be able to offer a price range like say from $197 - $750 depending on complexity etc. What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Saito
    It looks like we're comparing apples and oranges here, as there are many kinds of Fan Pages, budgets, and needs. Not everyone wants or needs all the features you mentioned. More is not always better. If you can do all that and your customers need it and are satisfied, terrific.

    My thoughts about the expression "You get what you pay for"

    My point was that while this is generally true, there are also specific cases where you can get the exact same project completed for a lot less, and I would go for less. And these opportunities DO exist. I know people who have quoted me $1000 or more to build the exact same website as someone just as talented in a different country, in the same time frame, with the same level of professionalism, do it for $150-200. To deny that some people exist out there who are willing to do the same project for less but just as well is an insult to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
      Originally Posted by alan.brymer View Post

      It looks like we're comparing apples and oranges here, as there are many kinds of Fan Pages, budgets, and needs. Not everyone wants or needs all the features you mentioned. More is not always better. If you can do all that and your customers need it and are satisfied, terrific.

      My point was that in cases where you can get the exact same result for a lot less, I would go for less. And these opportunities DO exist. I know people who have quoted me $1000 or more to build the exact same website as someone just as talented overseas, in the same time frame, with the same level of professionalism, do it for $150-200. To deny that there are some people out there willing to do the same project for less but just as well is an insult to them.
      First you questioned why anyone would pay more than $5 for a fanpage and now you believe we are insulting overseas people ?

      I dont see anyone denying that you can get work done overseas for cheaper, and have looked through the thread again, and cannot see even the slightest hint of a slur on foreign workers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Saito
        Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

        First you questioned why anyone would pay more than $5 for a fanpage and now you believe we are insulting overseas people ?

        I dont see anyone denying that you can get work done overseas for cheaper, and have looked through the thread again, and cannot see even the slightest hint of a slur on foreign workers.
        You are correct. No one here is saying that, and I wasn't implying that anyone here has said that.

        In the course of business elsewhere, in several industries, I often hear service providers using the phrase "you get what you pay for" as their go-to phrase to justify higher prices or insinuate that those who charge less are inherently inferior in quality. Or they imply that having a product with all the bells and whistles it could have is obviously better somehow, when "better" is defined in reality by the customer's needs.

        Just venting.
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  • Profile picture of the author VEVO
    ust like with so many other questions out there, the answer really is
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneyerr
    Dear Zoro,
    Frankly speaking, your rates are very high for providing a single page with hosting. In this age of competition, many experienced freelancers are ready to prepare high class whole business website in your rate of one page. As far as the hosting fee of the page is concerned, you can get a new domain registered with unlimited space and unlimited band width in $10 - 20 per month.
    I think you should revise your rates to a reasonable and acceptable range for your customers. Reducing the rates will increase in your sale but in current rate you will get a few clients. Feel the difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulKlein
    I appreciate this thread, and the input from everyone.

    I've been slowly building a local business clientele the past few months, and have been approaching businesses to do FB pages, mobile apps, etc. so this gives me a great idea on how to price my offers.

    Thanks guys!

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  • Profile picture of the author davidlieder
    Originally Posted by zoro View Post

    Here is what I thought I would charge:

    $175 - $375 (depending on complexity) for a custom page design.
    $10 - $20 per month hosting.

    Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?
    That is right on target with what other people are charging. I think that what a business will pay really depends on their budget.

    You also should determine what level of design a business wants before you commit to a certain price. For example, a lawyer will probably want a much higher quality design than a maid service. If you charge too low of a price, it is possible to actually lose money or have the client back out after the work is done, so in my opinion it is better to lean towards a higher price even if it means losing a few potential sales due to the high price. Higher price means more money for less work.

    David
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    • Profile picture of the author jrobconsult
      Lots of great conversation on this subject. Here are my thoughts.

      1. You do not want to deal with the small business owner who is looking for the lowest price. They are head to deal with and will not be satisfied easily.

      2. The key is to show value and how it can add to their profits.Small Business Owners in the US can get free business advice from SCORE. Why do many pay high fees for consulting or to run a promotional sale for their retail business? It's all about value. Besides, you can always package other services to make it harder to compare pricing anyway.

      3. One thing I have found out dealing with small business owners for 8 years is that the small business owner whose business is doing poorly is generally much harder to deal with than one whose business is doing much better. The poor performing business owner often does not take your advice or wants to dilute your programs. The better performing business owner will listen to you and let you do your magic
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      • Profile picture of the author Bennette
        Originally Posted by jrobconsult View Post

        Lots of great conversation on this subject. Here are my thoughts.

        3. One thing I have found out dealing with small business owners for 8 years is that the small business owner whose business is doing poorly is generally much harder to deal with than one whose business is doing much better. The poor performing business owner often does not take your advice or wants to dilute your programs. The better performing business owner will listen to you and let you do your magic
        I agree with you jrobconsult.
        I have experienced the same thing. The owners that are struggling will agree to the suggestions in the beginning until it's time to implement the process and then they won't provide the information you've requested.
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        • Profile picture of the author jrobconsult
          Originally Posted by Bennette View Post

          I agree with you jrobconsult.
          I have experienced the same thing. The owners that are struggling will agree to the suggestions in the beginning until it's time to implement the process and then they won't provide the information you've requested.
          They know their business is hurting, but are unable to let someone else help them. When I first started dealing with small business owners, I thought the ones struggling would listen to anything I suggested. Boy, I was wrong.

          As for business owners doing research on finding the cheapest providers, they rather have someone local and most don't have time now with their current job. If you saw a few of the offices, I have been to, you would understand.
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by jrobconsult View Post

        Lots of great conversation on this subject. Here are my thoughts.

        1. You do not want to deal with the small business owner who is looking for the lowest price. They are head to deal with and will not be satisfied easily.

        2. The key is to show value and how it can add to their profits.Small Business Owners in the US can get free business advice from SCORE. Why do many pay high fees for consulting or to run a promotional sale for their retail business? It's all about value. Besides, you can always package other services to make it harder to compare pricing anyway.

        3. One thing I have found out dealing with small business owners for 8 years is that the small business owner whose business is doing poorly is generally much harder to deal with than one whose business is doing much better. The poor performing business owner often does not take your advice or wants to dilute your programs. The better performing business owner will listen to you and let you do your magic
        I have found the same thing when dealing with small business. Thanks for your great comments.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by davidlieder View Post

      That is right on target with what other people are charging. I think that what a business will pay really depends on their budget.

      You also should determine what level of design a business wants before you commit to a certain price. For example, a lawyer will probably want a much higher quality design than a maid service. If you charge too low of a price, it is possible to actually lose money or have the client back out after the work is done, so in my opinion it is better to lean towards a higher price even if it means losing a few potential sales due to the high price. Higher price means more money for less work.

      David
      David, thanks for your comment and input to this thread. Yes, one must always first find out what the customer requires before commiting to a price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chasedmarketing
    500$ for a facebook fanpage with everything connected.

    If they want me to keep it active then, its 50 a month to create blogs and post on their facebook site to attract fans.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by Chasedmarketing View Post

      500$ for a facebook fanpage with everything connected.

      If they want me to keep it active then, its 50 a month to create blogs and post on their facebook site to attract fans.
      Hi Chasedmarketing, thanks for chiming in here. For $500 do you include unlimited hosting on your server, or do you install on your customers server?
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  • Profile picture of the author Resultz
    So did you start selling this yet?
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by Resultz View Post

      So did you start selling this yet?
      No, currently setting up a Facebook Page to sell these from.
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      • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
        Originally Posted by zoro View Post

        No, currently setting up a Facebook Page to sell these from.

        procrastination is an expensive hobby, I speak from experience
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        • Profile picture of the author mreyn
          Does anyone know if you have to have a reseller account or something typical to be able to host several sites like this?

          IF you are hosting the sites, are they able to login to their individual site to make changes?

          Does anyone care to share the name of an outsourcer they've worked with who can create the pages/sites?

          One thing, probably simple, I don't understand and if someone can explain it to me I would be very greatful! When you have a personal fb profile, and you want to have a business fb page that when you use a place that automatically posts yours updates to all your places at once, would post to your fb business page and not your personal... do you just add a page under your personal one or do you have to get an entirely new fb profile for your business?? So when I blast out updates, I don't want it going to my personal fb profile.

          Thanks!
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          • Profile picture of the author Julie McElroy
            Good questions - I am curious too.

            As far as updates, you don't have to update anything to your personal account. My fan pages are set up so when i post a blog to each of those sites, respectively, they will automatically update.

            Originally Posted by mreyn View Post

            Does anyone know if you have to have a reseller account or something typical to be able to host several sites like this?

            IF you are hosting the sites, are they able to login to their individual site to make changes?

            Does anyone care to share the name of an outsourcer they've worked with who can create the pages/sites?

            One thing, probably simple, I don't understand and if someone can explain it to me I would be very greatful! When you have a personal fb profile, and you want to have a business fb page that when you use a place that automatically posts yours updates to all your places at once, would post to your fb business page and not your personal... do you just add a page under your personal one or do you have to get an entirely new fb profile for your business?? So when I blast out updates, I don't want it going to my personal fb profile.

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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

          procrastination is an expensive hobby, I speak from experience
          Philboy, yeah you're right and yes it can be a problem for me at times. I like to get all the ducks in a row before I start shooting.
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          • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
            Originally Posted by zoro View Post

            Philboy, yeah you're right and yes it can be a problem for me at times. I like to get all the ducks in a row before I start shooting.
            So over the past five weeks, the setting up of a facebook page is posing a bit of a dilemma , I can see a potential problem with your facebook fanpage business.

            is the problem setting up a facebook page, deciding whether to charge $5 or $10 for hosting, or a reluctance to talk with business owners ?

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  • Profile picture of the author KenFighter
    The price calculated on how complex ur code goes + Design..

    Why u dont prepare report how to set up facebook fan page on their own hosting??
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  • Profile picture of the author mreyn
    I wanted to clarify my previous post because I really need the answers before I can move forward. I have a personal fb. Under your personal fb, you have pages. For my offline business, I will be using a somewhat automated system to blast my updates out to several places including fb. I don't want my business blast to be on my personal fb and I don't see how if sign up the place that blasts, it would post to my page only. I'm thinking I would need to have a completely seperate fb profile, but I don't think that's allowed. IF anybody can clear this up, it would be greatly appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
    This is a great tutorial for using the reveal function in facebook

    How to create 'reveal' pages using iframes | Facebook

    - I find it better than using some of the reveal plugins. I create two seperate pages, one for a page that has been liked and one for a page that has not been liked - I just use wordpress for this.

    I then upload a folder to my server containing two files : index.php & facebook.php, the index file has to be customised to include the two urls of the pages created earlier and the app id and secret password.

    if the file uploaded earlier is called myapp, the canvas URL will be
    www.mydomain.com/myapp
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    i have a question:
    unless i am missing something, why do you need hosting for facebook
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    • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      i have a question:
      unless i am missing something, why do you need hosting for facebook

      how are you currently building customised facebook pages without hosting ?
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    • Profile picture of the author joe0074
      Facebook Fanpage is like a one page website, so you need a hosting.

      Thanks,

      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      i have a question:
      unless i am missing something, why do you need hosting for facebook
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      i have a question:
      unless i am missing something, why do you need hosting for facebook
      A Custom Facebook Page is like a mini website that you build within Facebook itself. So you need to host it somewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author alabama
    what is the use of create facebook custom page?.. If use for me, i need low cost budget.. Please suggest me
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark_Saenz
    Z,
    So obviously EVERYONE has a different answer and you are just gonna have to choose what's best for you.

    Quick Story: This weekend went to a nice restaurant and found out they didn't have their website up and running. The waitress told me they were working on their FB page, but it was under construction. I took me all of about 3 minutes online to see this guy was going to need more than FB to help his "family" business. So I explained who I was and what I did and told him I would help him. I am going to build him a nice basic facebook fanpage for FREE....why? Because he needs a few more things that will cost a little more and that have a higher monthly maintenance fee. After the free fan page I am sure he will be more willing to INVEST a little more in his business...he just needs to see some progress and realize he can't do what we can do right?

    Now I have to say, I really enjoyed my meal and his business...so my main goal is to help this guy have a more profiatble "Family business". I am sure this is what is going to put his nice little girls through college or that's their dream at least. And I will help him be more successful...it's my job. So the money I make comes as a result of the great service I will provide...ok I'm off my soap box! (Not even really sure why I felt complelled to add that in...I think it was ZIG that's got me all emotional )

    Now, what if he doesn't take my advice on any of the other services? Well, my meal was about 70 bucks with our bottle of wine and I am sure I will get a free dinner or two the next time my wife and I visit. Not to mention he will probably refer me out to his friends...so we all win anyway.

    Philboy...great clip! I'm ALL kinds of inspired now and it's 2:50AM. I can never get enough of ZIG!

    Anyway, my .2
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark_Saenz
    P.S. I would normally charge $197 to $500 depending on what I am building....

    A full blown fanpage with reveal, lead capture, videos, testimonies, sidebar image, etc...$500

    For me it's all about developing a strategy that me and my new partner (biz owner) thinks will be best for his/her business.
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  • Profile picture of the author honestkr
    Originally Posted by zoro View Post

    I'm currently setting up my own facebook page to show examples of custom business fan pages.
    Since facebook now uses iFrames it means that I will need to host all of my clients fan pages on my sever.
    So I'm thinking I should be charging for the hosting on top of my one off price for a custom fan page design.

    Here is what I thought I would charge:

    $175 - $375 (depending on complexity) for a custom page design.
    $10 - $20 per month hosting.

    Anyone doing this already or got any ideas?
    Can we see example of your works?
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    • Profile picture of the author joefalk
      Originally Posted by honestkr View Post

      Can we see example of your works?
      I would also be interested in seeing them. Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author sadiecopywriter
    Don't forget the SSL certificate. Facebook has postponed that for awhile, but I doubt they're going to change their minds about it.

    Also, for hosting, Have at least 2 hosting packages; 1 for simple hosting and 1 for hosting and a certain amount of changes. Put a time limit on the changes and say unused changes won't rollover. Many companies will buy the big hosting package and make a lot of changes at first, but then they they'll hardly make any and pay the same price.
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  • Profile picture of the author JToneyUK
    This has been a useful topic to go through as it will be a service I will offer to local clients. I think it could be a useful thing to do, and maybe more to budget than a fancy website or mobile site. I think everybody is now aware of the phenom that is Facebook and people know that it is not just a passing craze. If business owners are on it, they will know exactly how people interact, how news feeds work and if they see people becoming fans of shops, artists and sports teams, they should see how it could be free marketing for their business with their own fan page.

    I need to look more into creating pages beyond the simple info page, and I am quite savvy in web design, so it shouldn't be too difficult for me to work things out.

    Just wondered if anyone has offered this service to a company who already has their own basic Facebook page but does not make much use of it? Have you tried to sell them on the things such as "like to reveal" and the ability to post special offers, competitions, coupons etc?
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