Did I Just Stumble Upon The Next Offline Gold Mine?

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WARNING: THE SUBJECT OF THIS POST IS ADULT ORIENTED, IF YOU FEEL OFFENDED BY THESE TOPICS PLEASE STOP READING NOW.

So the other day I was liking my wounds for the ban of one of my oldest Google Adwords accounts and I realize that one of the advertisers they do not accept are related with adult material, then I remembered that craigslist have recently decided to erase their "adult section" so I start wondering if you can find some good local domain names with the word "Escort" around it.... and..

BINGO!!!!!

There were some very good local domain names, high search volume (for an offline business) so I immediately start buying some names, and building some websites, as you can see this can be a very, very lucrative business why?

a) They can't buy advertising via adwords.

b) The space to advertise is very expensive.

c) When I review the competition online I saw I can pass them with the SEO team I have.

What I did was to take action immediately I bought some domain names and start building some interesting websites in order to rent them later, I am going to be posting the updates on this as they are coming, but I wanted to post some questions here to think about it :

a) I am focusing on escort services I know here in Canada they are legal while prostitution is not (I dont know why, but that is beyond the scope of this post) but is legal to promote it over the net?

b) What do you think the best marketing strategy will be to rent the sites? (I am going to use some direct marketing techniques, but I am open to any suggestions)

c) Any other ideas to monetize the sites?

Cheers

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#gold #mine #offline #stumble
  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    To get your foot in the door you could always offer a trade

    lol..

    This would be a very interesting experiment. Kinda like you are an online pimp

    I would assume it is legal since they all have websites already but you would need to talk to an attorney to find the correct answer. Be sure to let us know what the outcome is.
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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    I must say that I am not trying to be a cyber pimp, what I am trying to do is to rent this websites to local escort agencies, because they have few options to buy advertising over the internet, or at least that is what I believe.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

      I must say that I am not trying to be a cyber pimp, what I am trying to do is to rent this websites to local escort agencies, because they have few options to buy advertising over the internet, or at least that is what I believe.
      I know I was just kidding in a good way. Would love to hear your experience after doing it. I do notice that Google wont even give me suggestions for the anything related to escorting services in its search bar.
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      • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
        Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

        I know I was just kidding in a good way. Would love to hear your experience after doing it. I do notice that Google wont even give me suggestions for the anything related to escorting services in its search bar.
        Dr. Dan, I know perfectly that you were kidding lol , but I have had a couple of comments like that before and I just wanted to clear that out.

        You are right Google does not suggest you anything, but if you do keyword research on Google keyword tool, you will see a lot of searches with these terms, besides that once you put one of these specific terms in Google (example Dallas Escorts) you will see that there are results on their local results, but as I said in my first post, their SEO is pretty basic, you can easily pass them and whoever who is in this business knows that the people that are on the top are the ones that are getting all the phone calls, people looking for this solutions does not have patience that is why I think this can be a very profitable niche, do you think they are going to cringe for a $1,000/month rent? I don't think so.... that is why I was wondering if this can be the next offline gold mine, because I have never seen anybody talking about it here, maybe because they are shy... or maybe because they did not know how to do it.

        I will keep you posted
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        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
          You could model this website here in New Zealand.

          here's the results from Alexa Site Information for http://newzealandgirls.co.nz/
          Get Details
          Alexa Traffic Rank: 161,476
          Traffic Rank in NZ: 232

          Shows there is demand for it and you get good money from listing fees.

          I've meet the webmaster for the site.

          Best,
          Ewen
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          • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
            Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

            You could model this website here in New Zealand.

            here's the results from Alexa Site Information for New Zealand Girls - Private Escorts Directory, Working Girls, Sensual Massage Parlours, Best Female Sex Agency, Adult Entertainment
            Get Details
            Alexa Traffic Rank: 161,476
            Traffic Rank in NZ: 232

            Shows there is demand for it and you get good money from listing fees.

            I've meet the webmaster for the site.

            Best,
            Ewen
            Question, Does he rent the site to individual escorts or to companies?
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            • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
              Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

              Question, Does he rent the site to individual escorts or to companies?
              Here's the list of advertising options...Private Escorts
              Sensual Massage
              Therapeutic Massage
              Exclusive Girls / Website Banner Links
              Members Lounge
              Clubs and Agencies
              NEW Diamond Girls

              I met up with the webmaster, not owner, and he showed me the admin side of the website.

              I was fishing around to do a similar one.

              You could buy the script from a UK company for about $2,000 a few years ago.

              I didn't go ahead because NZ GIRLS had already a strong position in the market and has grown much bigger since.

              It has continually added more features like verified photos... private paid access to uncensored photos and videos...live group chat and live private chat.

              It has grown to have a good reputation with both working girls and for the punters.

              It's is a good model to follow if there are no major players in your market.

              Best,
              Ewen
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        • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
          Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

          Dr. Dan, I know perfectly that you were kidding lol , but I have had a couple of comments like that before and I just wanted to clear that out.

          You are right Google does not suggest you anything, but if you do keyword research on Google keyword tool, you will see a lot of searches with these terms, besides that once you put one of these specific terms in Google (example Dallas Escorts) you will see that there are results on their local results.
          Yea I know there are searches and a demand for it. I was just surprised that my Google suggestion tool didnt give me any results.

          If I were you, I would be using classified sites to market your sites as well. I will be releasing a strategy that I am using very successfully with my clients very soon. It involves using classified ad sites, social media, bookmarking, and video marketing. The best part is that it only takes about 20 minutes to set up and gets you all over the first pages of Google in less than 48 hours and you stay there!
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  • Profile picture of the author johnhoefer
    You are a genius. Definitely rent them for trade. Put 30 escorts on the sites and um...one trade per month for the listing. You are pretty much set for life.

    Ok, disclaimer, I wouldn't do this myself and would expect your junk to be a petri dish of bacteria by the end of one month...but a man can dream can't he?
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by johnhoefer View Post

      You are a genius. Definitely rent them for trade. Put 30 escorts on the sites and um...one trade per month for the listing. You are pretty much set for life.

      Ok, disclaimer, I wouldn't do this myself and would expect your junk to be a petri dish of bacteria by the end of one month...but a man can dream can't he?
      Too funny!

      You might need to get a good doctor on a trade as well just to keep yourself healthy. lol..

      I could have fun with creating a company name for marketing to this indusrty. Something like "I market your hoes for less!" or "I dont get paid until they get laid!" or "discount ho marketing".

      Sorry I couldnt resist. But I would come up with a separate name and a site to promote as your marketing services. I have done this in the Real Estate Industry very successfully because it makes you stand out like the go-to expert for that industry!

      You could use "affordable escort marketing services".
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
    I just had another idea for you.

    1. Set up a basic wordpress site and model it after another escort service
    2. Put some quick content with your kw in it
    3. Get it ranked
    4. Use classified ad, video, social media, social bookmarketing.

    Now you can go to classified ad sites that have escort sections like craigslist and call each one and rent out the site to 3-4 independent escorts that offer different services. Like 1 asian girl, 1 blonde, 1 burnette, 1 red hair etc.

    Now you have 4-5 people paying you $400-$1000 per month.

    Just make sure to cover your butt with legalities etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Toby Couchman
    Awesome tip. I just bagged one in a local aussie town. I'll keep you posted on the results.
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  • Profile picture of the author TWalker
    Just interested in how you expect to beat the local places in Google search?
    You mean do better SEO within local searches with your own local listing?

    I had a hard time just getting a local business to list in there and gave up. It was a ballroom dance studio and the big G kept asking for more confirmation on whether it actually existed etc. It was a 10 year old business for goodness sake.

    Don't know the you Google places guys do it.

    I just checked a local big city for "MyLocalCity Escorts" and it was a lot of Google places and not a single local domain really just big name generic escorts and bigcityname.backpage.com lisitng.


    So I see the potential but I wouldn't expect to do well in Google places myself.

    I think if just owning the domain with "escorts" and "bigcityname" in it might be very useful in getting ranked though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by TWalker View Post

      Just interested in how you expect to beat the local places in Google search?
      You mean do better SEO within local searches with your own local listing?
      If you choose your search phrases correctly then you wont even see much of Google Places popping up on the screen. Most of my clients own the entire first page of Google (7-11 results). With only about 5 minutes of backlinking / bookmarking.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    Wow!

    Great idea! I am in Las Vegas and what better city to do this then this one. The competition is fierce, but I think I could get a site ranking on the first page with some SEO. About 18k exact searches so even ranking near the bottom would bring me some decent traffic.

    Also, there are 5,400 mobile searches a month and would love to put a mobile directory together.

    My head is spinning with ideas
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    • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      Wow!

      Great idea! I am in Las Vegas and what better city to do this then this one. The competition is fierce, but I think I could get a site ranking on the first page with some SEO. About 18k exact searches so even ranking near the bottom would bring me some decent traffic.

      Also, there are 5,400 mobile searches a month and would love to put a mobile directory together.

      My head is spinning with ideas
      Men, you are in a great city, if you dont mind share how you are going to attack this market that I will do the same.

      Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Just make sure to get a good virus scanner before you start...

    Cheers,

    ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

      Just make sure to get a good virus scanner before you start...

      Cheers,

      ~Dexx
      Good idea Dexx

      This is what I use when searching the Exotic Service sections on Craigslist.



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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Bill
    You guys are killing me. Good idea for virus protection Dan. I would listen to him guys after all he's a Dr.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I do like the idea...but have this odd feeling that there will be a high turnover on the monthly ads. I also doubt you could get $400 per month. I may be wrong but there are sites out there like TER that have a monopoly on this industry.
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    • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
      Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur View Post

      I do like the idea...but have this odd feeling that there will be a high turnover on the monthly ads. I also doubt you could get $400 per month. I may be wrong but there are sites out there like TER that have a monopoly on this industry.
      what if you rent the site to a company instead that sell individual ads to each escort?

      Or what if you just rent to one escort each domain name?

      How can somebody have a monopoly over the first 10 spots on local markets? if you do a better seo you will out rank them even if they own all the other domain names.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rsberg
      Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur View Post

      I also doubt you could get $400 per month. I may be wrong but there are sites out there like TER that have a monopoly on this industry.
      I agree...I do think it might be possible to get $99 a month but even as low ass $77 a month could be good if you were to get enough search volume/traffic to merit having 20 or 30 "escorts" listed on your site (maybe more depending on the area).

      You could make it like the Yelp.com of hookerdom. Give them single page listings with a template to fill in their info for a reasonable monthly fee, allow them to upload pictures, accept messages from "members" who get to sign up for free...etc...lots of options you could offer and fairly easy to set up I would think.
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      • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
        Originally Posted by TWalker View Post

        But as we all know these are nice women but I have heard ocassionaly one of them does more than just escort...maybe 1% .

        If ya got one of these 1% and she got in trouble do ya think just maybe they might look up the owner of her site?

        Is so do ya think maybe they might charge the owner with conspiracy to commit a crime?

        I'm being a little facetious and just lightly touching on legalities here so we can get a dialogue on it.

        If your gonna talk about the good stuff, lets talk about the downside seriously because I know everyone who reads this thread has that in the back of there minds right now.

        We can take the discussion off of here but I want in on it.
        This is the kind of stuff I wanted to talk about indeed, the thing I don't understand is the logic behind this... so you own a gun, somebody takes your gun and kill somebody and you are charge with conspiracy? why? if the one that is doing wrong is the murder? or in this case the escort... I dont know if you have been here in Canada, but the escorts have entire sections in the free newspapers I will bet actually that this newspapers live on the escorts advertising, I was reading and there was an entire debate about this because as you point out "some" of them do something else and here prostitution is illegal but they defend the advertising side saying that it is part of the freedom of speech (part of one of the charts of the rights and freedoms we have), but thanks for the warning any way.

        Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

        Be careful. I don't know about Canada, but web sites here in the US have been charged with felonies for allowing escorts to advertise their services, even though the sites themselves were not involved in providing any services. The escorts get busted for prostitution, and then the sites get busted for pandering because the ads for the escorts are on the sites.
        Thanks for the warning and I explain a little bit about this on the upper comment.

        Originally Posted by Anthony Marshall View Post

        The OLYMPICS is NEXT YEAR and the Escort business is seriously picking up over here to make way for all the big players from abroad.
        Great tip!!! Thanks, but remember that my sites are local sites to Canada

        Originally Posted by Rsberg View Post

        You could make it like the Yelp.com of hookerdom. Give them single page listings with a template to fill in their info for a reasonable monthly fee, allow them to upload pictures, accept messages from "members" who get to sign up for free...etc...lots of options you could offer and fairly easy to set up I would think.
        Yes, this is the kind of stuff I was thinking, I will keep you posted with the results.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bobster0007
          Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

          This is the kind of stuff I wanted to talk about indeed, the thing I don't understand is the logic behind this... so you own a gun, somebody takes your gun and kill somebody and you are charge with conspiracy? why? if the one that is doing wrong is the murder? or in this case the escort... I dont know if you have been here in Canada, but the escorts have entire sections in the free newspapers I will bet actually that this newspapers live on the escorts advertising, I was reading and there was an entire debate about this because as you point out "some" of them do something else and here prostitution is illegal but they defend the advertising side saying that it is part of the freedom of speech (part of one of the charts of the rights and freedoms we have), but thanks for the warning any way.







          Yes, this is the kind of stuff I was thinking, I will keep you posted with the results.
          I dont understand the logic either because there is none. But here in the USA, our lawmakers and lawmaking system has been going down hill. The lawyers write their own laws and people here are the most sue happy in the world. You can sue for anything here. Go to any large city and look in the yellowpages etc... there are more lawyers than any other business. That will amaze you. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author TWalker
    Its a great market more than likely and I don't want to spoil the fun because I would love to do this.

    In a different life many years ago I was in an offline position to work with escorts...long story.

    But as we all know these are nice women but I have heard ocassionaly one of them does more than just escort...maybe 1% .

    If ya got one of these 1% and she got in trouble do ya think just maybe they might look up the owner of her site?

    Is so do ya think maybe they might charge the owner with conspiracy to commit a crime?

    I'm being a little facetious and just lightly touching on legalities here so we can get a dialogue on it.

    If your gonna talk about the good stuff, lets talk about the downside seriously because I know everyone who reads this thread has that in the back of there minds right now.

    We can take the discussion off of here but I want in on it.
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  • Be careful. I don't know about Canada, but web sites here in the US have been charged with felonies for allowing escorts to advertise their services, even though the sites themselves were not involved in providing any services. The escorts get busted for prostitution, and then the sites get busted for pandering because the ads for the escorts are on the sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ant Marshall
    Dude. Scrap the other countries for now.

    Head this towards the UK.

    The OLYMPICS is NEXT YEAR and the Escort business is seriously picking up over here to make way for all the big players from abroad.
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  • Profile picture of the author TSDMike
    Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

    So the other day I was liking my wounds for the ban of one of my oldest Google Adwords accounts and I realize that one of the advertisers they do not accept are related with adult material, then I remembered that craigslist have recently decided to erase their "adult section" so I start wondering if you can find some good local domain names with the word "Escort" around it.... and...
    There's a reason Craigslist permanently removed their Adult Services section. They were under tremendous pressure from the justice department and facing potential charges of facilitating child prostitution. See this article:
    Craigslist censored: Adult section removed | Technically Incorrect - CNET News

    There are obviously legal work-arounds, like using the word 'escort' instead of 'hooker' and 'agency' instead of 'pimp', but the underlying hassles will surely await anyone on the US who pursues this - sooner or later.

    If you own a website, you are responsible for the consequences of any illegal activity that occurs as a result of the content on that site. It isn't much different than anything else really.
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  • Profile picture of the author kennygoodman
    Just contact xxx sites and offer them advertising. Also there are affiliate companies that deal with xxx so just hook up a deal with them


    Kenny
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  • Profile picture of the author jsherloc
    Are there any major players doing this in the Vegas/nevada area here in the U.S. that anyone knows of? I would have to think these types of escort sites would be HUGE there, being the only place this sort of thing is regulated.

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  • Profile picture of the author attorneydavid
    pat, you're going to be running a serious risk doing this. That post about conspiracy is no joke. A hardass DA tracks you down you could be in trouble. Do you really want to be a test case?

    If an escort get's busted, you really think she's not going to offer to rat you out and given the evidence necessary for intent?

    If I was doing something like this it'd be on the real down low.
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    • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
      Originally Posted by attorneydavid View Post

      pat, you're going to be running a serious risk doing this. That post about conspiracy is no joke. A hardass DA tracks you down you could be in trouble. Do you really want to be a test case?

      If an escort get's busted, you really think she's not going to offer to rat you out and given the evidence necessary for intent?

      If I was doing something like this it'd be on the real down low.
      AttorneyDavid thank you very much for your kind words I understand your concern but I think I have not made myself clear, my main goal is to rank on the firs google page and rent the site to another business, more like a B2B transactions more than selling the advertising to individual escorts or even working as a "virtual pimp".

      1 UPDATE: I made a little bit of legal research and all the escort services I have been offering the "leasing" of my site just offer that (On the front of course) Escort services, companionship services, nothing about prostitution, all of them make me very clear that, off the record they told me as well that those kind of arrangements are done by each escort by themselves, but they do not encourage the behaviour "openly".

      So it seems like the legal issue has been answered, they just offer companionship for events, any other extra "service" is arranged by the escort herself.

      I will keep you posted and I really appreciate your kind words.
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  • Profile picture of the author phillipthorne
    Seems like a good idea, but has anyone actually contacted the owners of these agencies and found them receptive to the idea? I would assume they would be hesitant in dealing with us, as cautious as they are with law enforcement and the like.
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  • Profile picture of the author redcell1
    So I read this thread and starting calling up all local escort companies, after about 15 calls and not one meeting I finally came across someone a "owner" who was willing to meet.

    Here is what he told me (point blank)
    Their clients usually find them on different sites that are more "known" in the industry that have reviews,memberships etc.

    Most of the time since the clients have are members of the site the girls can check the client's previous encounters with other girls and they feel more comfortable doing so.

    He did say that while getting all those monthly searches was great, the girls like to fly under the radar and they are doing fine with what they have already.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheConfidenceMan
    it is legal to market "escort services" or "companionship" however if your ads or website suggest an exchange of sex for money or anything of value, or if you are aware that the advertisers or employees are offering prostitution, then you the website owner can be responsible for "profiting off prostitution". another example is, if you rent an apartment to a person, and you become aware the person is offering prostitution in that apartment, you could be convicted for "profiting" as well.
    so to cover your butt you need a signed contract by the providers or advertisers that
    they are not offering anything illegal, and have not been convicted of offering it in the past.

    There are several ways to monetize the site; SEO it and flip it, add cams and other personal site affiliate programs on the site, rent it on a per day, per month or per weekly basis forwarding all the calls to 1 agency or 1 provider (or many -- depending on how many calls you can generate) or take a per call commision or per phone call price, sell ad space on the site to independent providers and agencies.

    If they can see a ROI they will continue to pay you. One model is to give a free trial and set it up on a continuity if you're going the "local directory" approach. the real money is in the global directory, having a few advertisers/providers in each state/city around the world paying you a few bucks per month.

    good luck.
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