Selling websites to local businesses

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Has anyone ever done this? I heard from someone that they'll create a website (ex: car repair) and get it to the top of Google for a certain state/town/etc, and then call around to other car places and offer them the site, and say how it gets x amount of views a month and that could result in x amount of extra sales per month. Has anyone ever done this? What's your experience with it? Thanks!

Edit - In case that wasn't clear, get a website like bestdoctorincalifornia.com and get it to page 1 of Google, then sell that to doctors office in CA for $$.
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  • Profile picture of the author mnlewis
    Im not sure about selling, but renting it out. Its called pre-ranked websites or website rentals. You create a website, service + city name and get it ranked in Google to rent out. Call around and find a business to rent it out to and voila you have monthly income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
    Yes, this became popular last year. You can find WSOs about it too. I think they call it website leasing, or some sell the site outright. It's a marketing approach that requires you do the work on the front end yourself, then take the proof of your efforts, the site, and put it out to bid or sale to 10 or 20 competitive businesses in your area. You might have a starting bid price but you let them start a bidding war. The proof is in the pudding, your page one ranking site so it's not a hard sell.
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    • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
      Originally Posted by Creativegirl View Post

      Yes, this became popular last year. You can find WSOs about it too. I think they call it website leasing, or some sell the site outright. It's a marketing approach that requires you do the work on the front end yourself, then take the proof of your efforts, the site, and put it out to bid or sale to 10 or 20 competitive businesses in your area. You might have a starting bid price but you let them start a bidding war. The proof is in the pudding, your page one ranking site so it's not a hard sell.
      Do you have the link to a WSO? Also, do you have any experience with it? I want to jump right in, but not sure what kinda website to make for my first attempt. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
        Originally Posted by LOLRECONLOL View Post

        Do you have the link to a WSO? Also, do you have any experience with it? I want to jump right in, but not sure what kinda website to make for my first attempt. :p

        I have Holly Cutter's WSO - Website Leasing Model - from last year. You really have to do your keyword and competitor analysis to pick a niche and location. Decent search volume and easy to beat competition. I stay pretty busy with my Marketing and Multimedia firms but I'd be open to a JV if you want to PM me.
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        • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
          Thanks everyone!

          Originally Posted by Creativegirl View Post

          I have Holly Cutter's WSO - Website Leasing Model - from last year. You really have to do your keyword and competitor analysis to pick a niche and location. Decent search volume and easy to beat competition. I stay pretty busy with my Marketing and Multimedia firms but I'd be open to a JV if you want to PM me.
          Interested, but can't PM you - not enough posts yet. :p Can you send me a PM with your email or something?
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    You have vast amount of information on this technique if you use the forum's search function. But yes, it's a viable business if you can integrate online + offline. But I can tell you it's a little bit more difficult then I expected.

    Do a search and see the experiences various Warriors have shared last months. That should get you going.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Hi

      I don't know how to put links here so I had a look using the search thingy at the top of the page.

      So do this.

      Click on search tab up the top and click on advanced.

      Then in the name bit on the RHS key in Dr Dan and click on his name.

      Under that click on the show all threads button thing.

      Then choose WSO section in the box under that from the choice of forum bits to look at and you should get one thing showing once you hit search at the bottom.

      It should be Google Love and if you read his sales bit you will see that it covers what you are talking about.

      Sorry for the long winded approach, maybe you know how to search but I want to be sure and as i mentioned I have no idea how to put the link here. Maybe someone competent will do it for you.

      Dan

      PS:I'm not Dr Dan - that would be rather shameless of me.
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  • Profile picture of the author esdavis
    My experience has been that lead-gen websites sell the best when you've pre-ranked them. You can flesh out the website with good content to help in ranking, but having a lead gen component allows you to lease not only a "ranked website" but also a known quantity of leads generated per month.

    Until you're ready to lease out, sell the leads to a broker. Or even better, sell them to one of your prospects. Be sure to get enough for those leads each so that when you're ready to pitch leasing, the cost savings and potential for them is obvious.

    Then when you've got the leads up enough, offer to provide these leads at a lower cost by having them lease the site.

    There's basically 3 ways you can approach pre-ranked sites that I use, depending on the prospects.

    1. Pre-rank and sell the leads one-off at a higher price (you own and keep the domain and they don't have access).
    2. Pre-rank and lease the site for a flat rate or a per-lead rate (flat rate sells better but make sure don't de-value the leads by making the lease too low). You still own the site and can lease to someone else if they stop paying.
    3. Pre-rank it and sell it - similar to flipping a site. Be sure to cover your costs and a good profit. You'll want to value like the flippers do. How much could you have gotten for a consistent amount of leads or a site lease over the course of about 12 months?

    Just my 2 cents worth. Hope you find a nugget or two of use here.

    Others on the post are right - you can find out a lot by searching the forum. And there are good WSOs. I'd advise staying away from the ones with hype claims or odd-sounding reviews and testimonials. There is enough good content out there to be picky and use common sense. Not saying those don't have good content either, but if you have to pick and choose because of your budget, be picky.
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  • Profile picture of the author sprks79
    This is exactly how I started a few years back. Still do it today. The idea is to get it ranked first page and then locate a business on page 3+ and "rent" it to them. I have also gotten the site to first page and then sold it instead. It's a matter of preference. Still works today and will likely work for a long time to come.
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    • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
      Originally Posted by sprks79 View Post

      This is exactly how I started a few years back. Still do it today. The idea is to get it ranked first page and then locate a business on page 3+ and "rent" it to them. I have also gotten the site to first page and then sold it instead. It's a matter of preference. Still works today and will likely work for a long time to come.
      How do you go about choosing what niche/domain to pick? That's my biggest hurdle right now. Also, what kind of prices do you charge when you sell/rent?
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      • Profile picture of the author sprks79
        Originally Posted by LOLRECONLOL View Post

        How do you go about choosing what niche/domain to pick? That's my biggest hurdle right now. Also, what kind of prices do you charge when you sell/rent?

        As far as which niche to pick, it comes with research. I generally choose industries that have long customer retention coupled with high customer value, ie. doctors, dentists, lawyers, surgeons, insurance. These will be the businesses that understand the value of one customer and how hard it is to get leads.

        Pricing is totally different for everyone. I have some sites getting 70 leads a month and charge $350, then again I have a few sites that get 10-25 leads a month and charge $650-$800. It depends on the value of the lead/customer. However when first starting I made it a general rule to charge around $200-$250 per month for each and then as time went on and I understood more I raised my prices.
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        • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
          Originally Posted by sprks79 View Post

          As far as which niche to pick, it comes with research. I generally choose industries that have long customer retention coupled with high customer value, ie. doctors, dentists, lawyers, surgeons, insurance. These will be the businesses that understand the value of one customer and how hard it is to get leads.

          Pricing is totally different for everyone. I have some sites getting 70 leads a month and charge $350, then again I have a few sites that get 10-25 leads a month and charge $650-$800. It depends on the value of the lead/customer. However when first starting I made it a general rule to charge around $200-$250 per month for each and then as time went on and I understood more I raised my prices.
          Thanks! I live in New Jersey, could you give me an example domain? I don't want to make something like 'cheapnjdoctors.com' and end up having a bad domain name. :p How do you go about picking the name?

          Also, how do you go about getting the leads, do you put a contact form that just goes to your email and saves their info until you go to present it? Hopefully someone can shed some light on that area!

          Woops, one more thing - when making the domain, is there any difference between a .info and a .com (besides about $7? ;P)
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    • Profile picture of the author Creativegirl
      Originally Posted by sprks79 View Post

      This is exactly how I started a few years back. Still do it today. The idea is to get it ranked first page and then locate a business on page 3+ and "rent" it to them. I have also gotten the site to first page and then sold it instead. It's a matter of preference. Still works today and will likely work for a long time to come.

      Agree, this will continue to work until we no longer use websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author esdavis
    @sprks79 is right on this. And Holly Cutter's WSO is good. I picked it up too.

    Regarding research, you want to get the best buyer keyword you can come up with. People are kind of shy about email lead-gen these days, so I go with a domain and content designed to reassure them that they are getting high-quality information in return. And have a high-quality piece of content for them for free.

    I agree totally about the high customer lifetime value. These clients are a bit better about knowing the value of a lead. Another big set of industries are subcontractors - painting, roofing, landscaping and other folks who gets over $1,000 a job and see the value of a spending some money to get quality leads.

    Sometimes when I need inspiration, I'll go out and drive around, examining store fronts, signs, and even looking at houses in the neighborhood. I kind of plant the idea in the back of my head asking myself "how much does it cost me if I needed ...?"

    Sometimes sub-niches are less competitive. Not dentists, but endodontists, or not painters but commercial real estate painters. The bigger the price on a single job, the better.

    Regarding the leads tracking, I actually use an auto-responder to capture leads. I have my form email me too, but always capture the leads to a database. As long as it's your site, you own those leads as future prospects, and if you get double-opt-in, you can market to them on related products later down the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
    Great tips, thanks! For my first domain, do I need to have new jersey in the title, or no? This domain is the only thing holding me back from starting right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author rlhurst
      Originally Posted by LOLRECONLOL View Post

      Great tips, thanks! For my first domain, do I need to have new jersey in the title, or no? This domain is the only thing holding me back from starting right now.
      You'll probably find the State/niche. com is already taken. (for the most part) I found mine by targeting large cities within a state. I did a quick search for cities in NJ and came up with a handful of possibilities for you...... I'll PM them to you right away......stay tuned.

      type in JILLIAN1 in the coupon code at Godaddy and you'll get the domain for under 2 bucks!
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      • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
        Originally Posted by rlhurst View Post

        You'll probably find the State/niche. com is already taken. (for the most part) I found mine by targeting large cities within a state. I did a quick search for cities in NJ and came up with a handful of possibilities for you...... I'll PM them to you right away......stay tuned.

        type in JILLIAN1 in the coupon code at Godaddy and you'll get the domain for under 2 bucks!
        Got it, thanks a lot! Would those be relatively easy fields to rank in? Wish I could just PM you back, but I don't have enough posts yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author rlhurst
          Originally Posted by LOLRECONLOL View Post

          Got it, thanks a lot! Would those be relatively easy fields to rank in?
          In my thread here (Dentists/Doctors) I tell how easy it was for me to get on page 1 of Google after just a few days. And this was my first attempt at it.My problem now is I didn't have a plan past just emailing and offering the sites. I'd be sure to have your strategy mapped out before you put those sites up. That way, you're ready when they get a high ranking. I don't know how long they'll stay that highly ranked.
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          • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
            Originally Posted by rlhurst View Post

            In my thread here (Dentists/Doctors) I tell how easy it was for me to get on page 1 of Google after just a few days. And this was my first attempt at it.My problem now is I didn't have a plan past just emailing and offering the sites. I'd be sure to have your strategy mapped out before you put those sites up. That way, you're ready when they get a high ranking. I don't know how long they'll stay that highly ranked.
            Good point! Can you PM me your email address or something?
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            • Profile picture of the author rlhurst
              Originally Posted by LOLRECONLOL View Post

              Good point! Can you PM me your email address or something?
              just did...
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              • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
                Originally Posted by rlhurst View Post

                just did...
                Sent you an email.
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                • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
                  I told you that you would be wanting to shift your thread here.

                  Helpful lot aren't they.

                  Hope it all goes according to plan for you.

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  • Profile picture of the author siwell16
    Thanks for the helpful tips I believe I will try this. I know offline marketing is very hot nowadays
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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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      Businesses don't want "Websites"!....they want LEADS from the internet!

      I learned LOOONGG Ago...."Find Out What People WANT...then SELL It to Them!"

      So....with that in mind....plus...one other thing I learned about building and selling websites..."If you build websites with 3 or more pages of "Stuff" about a business....the business will "eat up LOTS of your time with "Detail after Detail!"

      So....providing "Leads" and a "One-Page" website is what I like to do!

      Now....as an example of what I mean, take a look at this site;
      (removed for privacy)

      What do you see? A ONE-Page site with a "Lead-Capture" form. Simple, to the point with ONE thing in mind...to "Capture" prospects!

      Now...I just checked and found that;
      www.TrentonDiscountRoofing.com is available

      So is, www.NewarkDiscountRoofing.com and....

      www.JerseyCityDiscountRoofing.com

      Now....go GRAB these domains ASAP. Set up a One Page site (with a Phone Number YOU own...that directs to your "Renter's" business phone. So that, if your first renter stops renting, you can rent the site and phone to someone else)

      And...once you get them set up...you could charge at least $500 setup and $500 a month for 3 mos = $2,000 in your pocket.

      Don Alm....hoping the best of success to you
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      • Profile picture of the author rlhurst
        Terrific post! Thanks.
        Do you make these sites up ahead of time, then present them to the businesses in that niche until someone bites?
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      • Profile picture of the author bkat52
        Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

        Businesses don't want "Websites"!....they want LEADS from the internet!

        I learned LOOONGG Ago...."Find Out What People WANT...then SELL It to Them!"

        So....with that in mind....plus...one other thing I learned about building and selling websites..."If you build websites with 3 or more pages of "Stuff" about a business....the business will "eat up LOTS of your time with "Detail after Detail!"

        So....providing "Leads" and a "One-Page" website is what I like to do!

        Now....as an example of what I mean, take a look at this site;
        (removed for privacy)

        What do you see? A ONE-Page site with a "Lead-Capture" form. Simple, to the point with ONE thing in mind...to "Capture" prospects!

        Now...I just checked and found that;
        www.TrentonDiscountRoofing.com is available

        So is, www.NewarkDiscountRoofing.com and....

        www.JerseyCityDiscountRoofing.com

        Now....go GRAB these domains ASAP. Set up a One Page site (with a Phone Number YOU own...that directs to your "Renter's" business phone. So that, if your first renter stops renting, you can rent the site and phone to someone else)

        And...once you get them set up...you could charge at least $500 setup and $500 a month for 3 mos = $2,000 in your pocket.

        Don Alm....hoping the best of success to you
        First of all, awesome post. Very informative and the example site is really helpful. One question - before you get someone to rent the site, what do you do when someone calls your number looking for a quote? My guess is capture their info and tell them someone will contact them later? And then go sell the lead?

        Ok, one more question... any thought on which is better, an 800 number or a local number?
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        • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
          Originally Posted by bkat52 View Post

          First of all, awesome post. Very informative and the example site is really helpful. One question - before you get someone to rent the site, what do you do when someone calls your number looking for a quote? My guess is capture their info and tell them someone will contact them later? And then go sell the lead?

          Ok, one more question... any thought on which is better, an 800 number or a local number?
          Want to know this as well, and what to do if nobody wants to rent yet and you have people calling you like crazy. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author sprks79
          That's exactly what i do with leads that call me or submit info before I have rented it. I save those, and then give them to the renter as soon as he rents to show that it has been producing. Most businesses eat this up. If not, then I can sell them to a local lead broker and let him worry about it.

          As far as the number situation. I have done both, an 800 number and a local number from Google Voice. I have found the 800 number a bit more helpful with all the changes to area codes in most cities.


          Originally Posted by bkat52 View Post

          First of all, awesome post. Very informative and the example site is really helpful. One question - before you get someone to rent the site, what do you do when someone calls your number looking for a quote? My guess is capture their info and tell them someone will contact them later? And then go sell the lead?

          Ok, one more question... any thought on which is better, an 800 number or a local number?
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          • Profile picture of the author Brett2000
            Hi,

            This thread is awesome, thanks for the amazing tips!

            then I can sell them to a local lead broker and let him worry about it.
            How do you locate a local lead broker and how do I determine how much the leads are worth (so I am selling them for what they are worth)?
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            • Profile picture of the author sprks79
              Finding a local lead broker takes a bit of work if you are just starting. Google helps, fortunately I have a buddy who does local lead brokering and it was a bit easier for me. Of course depending on the industry, you could theoretically be your own lead broker.

              Pricing the leads is a whole different matter. The best way to do so is to know the industry in which you have leads in detail. Knowing what a prospective customers value to a business is key. For example, a hair salon with an average customer visit value of $20-$75 and a lifetime value of about 9 months average could be worth $50-$75 per lead, although they are harder to sell. However a cosmetic surgeon, breast surgeon, who has a single visit value of thousands of dollars will likely be worth several hundred dollars per lead. I currently work with a plastic surgeon and the leads he buys from me are between $175 and $400 and he buys them 50 at a time.



              Originally Posted by Brett2000 View Post


              How do you locate a local lead broker and how do I determine how much the leads are worth (so I am selling them for what they are worth)?
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              • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
                Originally Posted by sprks79 View Post

                Finding a local lead broker takes a bit of work if you are just starting. Google helps, fortunately I have a buddy who does local lead brokering and it was a bit easier for me. Of course depending on the industry, you could theoretically be your own lead broker.

                Pricing the leads is a whole different matter. The best way to do so is to know the industry in which you have leads in detail. Knowing what a prospective customers value to a business is key. For example, a hair salon with an average customer visit value of $20-$75 and a lifetime value of about 9 months average could be worth $50-$75 per lead, although they are harder to sell. However a cosmetic surgeon, breast surgeon, who has a single visit value of thousands of dollars will likely be worth several hundred dollars per lead. I currently work with a plastic surgeon and the leads he buys from me are between $175 and $400 and he buys them 50 at a time.
                Could you post an example of your site?
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                • Profile picture of the author sprks79
                  After so many threads and so many messages, I am working on a free WSO that should be available in about a week or so. It will go through the whole process, from conception to renting and will include a working site for the purpose of the WSO. All of my sites are currently rented and modified, and wont give the same feel of a fresh site that just collects leads. Give me a week or so and it will be ready. But definitely keep banging out the questions.

                  Scott
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                  • Profile picture of the author LOLRECONLOL
                    Originally Posted by sprks79 View Post

                    After so many threads and so many messages, I am working on a free WSO that should be available in about a week or so. It will go through the whole process, from conception to renting and will include a working site for the purpose of the WSO. All of my sites are currently rented and modified, and wont give the same feel of a fresh site that just collects leads. Give me a week or so and it will be ready. But definitely keep banging out the questions.

                    Scott
                    Wow, can't wait for this. Keep us updated! Could you post in this thread once it's done, so we don't miss it? :p
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