Knowing if a company has a mobile website

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Can you confirm how to know FOR SURE if a company has a mobile website or not?

I read that you can use a mobile emulator to see if someone has a website and then a mobile simulator to see how a website looks on a mobile.

I'm a little confused because I'm not certain how you would check if a mobile site exists because they are usually built on a subdomain like www.mobile.mywebsite.com or in folder like www.mywebsite.com/mobile.html. If you only know the main website URL, you would not find their mobile website.

Can anyone clarify exactly how this works? It's best to know ahead of time if a prospect has a mobile website rather than embarrassing yourself.

Also, how can I access an emulator?

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Brendel
    Originally Posted by escribe View Post

    Can you confirm how to know FOR SURE if a company has a mobile website or not?

    I read that you can use a mobile emulator to see if someone has a website and then a mobile simulator to see how a website looks on a mobile.

    I'm a little confused because I'm not certain how you would check if a mobile site exists because they are usually built on a subdomain like www.mobile.mywebsite.com or in folder like www.mywebsite.com/mobile.html. If you only know the main website URL, you would not find their mobile website.

    Can anyone clarify exactly how this works? It's best to know ahead of time if a prospect has a mobile website rather than embarrassing yourself.

    Also, how can I access an emulator?

    Thanks!

    Not sure about the emulator but all you have to do is go to their main website from a mobile device and they "SHOULD" have a script that redirects it to the mobile website. The script has the ability to detect the browser that the visitor is using and serve up the website accordingly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua N. Rabon
    You can use www. google. com/m/. The sites listed with a green phone to the side will have mobile websites and the ones without don't.

    Don't forget to smile real big when you see that only a fraction of a fraction of the sites have mobile websites (kaching $$$) . Sometimes I wish I didn't but damn I love google.
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    • Profile picture of the author escribe
      Thanks Joshua and Tim. Completely understand now.

      Thanks for your input!
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      • Profile picture of the author escribe
        Joshua,

        For some reason I'm not seeing any sites with a green phone to the side on the Google.com/m/ site. I actually tried a business that I know has a mobile site and it still did not show that they had a mobile site. Am I missing something?

        Also, I think the emulator is supposed to pick up the scripts...
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    • Originally Posted by Joshua N. Rabon View Post

      You can use www. google. com/m/. The sites listed with a green phone to the side will have mobile websites and the ones without don't.

      Don't forget to smile real big when you see that only a fraction of a fraction of the sites have mobile websites (kaching $$$) . Sometimes I wish I didn't but damn I love google.

      Hi Joshua,
      I was testing how to tell if a business has mobile ready without using a phone, and
      I'm searching from a pc on www.googlecom/m/ and have not found one link as you describe yet...can someone give me an example what I can see? I have made several searches in mobile search and have not seen a "green phone" yet using this search method...which is surprising yet encouraging...yet curious I'm not seeing anything...I thought I had used this before but did not get this kind of response. Is it this way from a PC search?

      As you say...they may be re-directing differently, and google isn't seeing it?
      Some of these businesses are very high-end. I would be surprised if some were not mobi friendly
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    • Profile picture of the author MSpencer
      Originally Posted by Joshua N. Rabon View Post

      You can use www dot google dot com/m/. The sites listed with a green phone to the side will have mobile websites and the ones without don't.

      Don't forget to smile real big when you see that only a fraction of a fraction of the sites have mobile websites (kaching $$$) . Sometimes I wish I didn't but damn I love google.
      I use this too! It's a really big help for a lot of businesses not just mobile website designers.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoachGC
    I am trying to guess if your question is because that way you'll be looking for prospect you can build a mobile website for.

    If that's the case remember that not all websites redirect to a mobile sub-domain. A lot of websites have plugins that allow them to be viewed on mobile devices.

    So I'd definitely go with Tim's advice, get a mobile device and try accessing a website from there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua N. Rabon
    Escribe, my guess would be that CoachGC's answer might explain why google can't tell if the site has a mobile version.

    I may be wrong but it is my understanding that such plug-ins are just like phones that squeeze regular websites to fit, causing a visitor to zoom in to read when even possible.

    One way to be even more sure would be to go to the site and see if it is a blog, since most wordpress themes are blogs. you can aslo go to the bottom of the page to see if it is a wordpress theme. Of course, this is not 100%.

    Tim's tips would obviously be your best bet but you should be using this version of google in-conjunction. Worst case scenario you call someone, find out you're wrong, say thanks and move on to the next one. Total time wasted 2-10 minutes (depending on how easy it was to get the #).

    They weren't going to buy a mobile site anyway and since sales is a #'s game you will experience rejection.

    If you're not cold calling then it really is a #'s game (email or direct mail) and in that case minor mistakes like this are totally unavoidable & inconsequential.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
    in order for the mobile sites to get the green handset next to the listing, they have to be designed so they properly validate and meet XHTML MP standards - otherwise google will ignore them and rank the site along with all the other regular designed sites - regardless if the site looks great on a phone or not... additionally they will probably have submitted a properly formatted mobile site map

    hope that helps

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    • Profile picture of the author escribe
      Thanks Jay!

      I was actually following the other mobile thread and didn't realize it's turned into a monster.:p

      But I was able to find your answer to another Warrior who asked this very same question (which I did not know prior to writing this). I actually read to the end of that thread yesterday, but it's turned into a ton more pages since then -LOL!

      OK, so just in case anyone else wants to know what you said in the other thread, I'm re-posting it here (if you don't mind ), just to make it a bit easier for everyone. Excellent answer BTW.

      You can find the conversation re: this question here:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...market-19.html

      And thanks again Joshua! Appreciate all of the clarification and feedback!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
    additionally if you dont want to spend money on a real mobile phone emulator/simulator or actually buy a handset you could use the following:

    Install the latest version of firefox from mozilla.org

    Install the user agent switcher plugin found here:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...gent-switcher/

    Install the firesizer plugin found here:
    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...don/firesizer/

    Most sites that detect mobile devices look for two things - screen size or mobile device type, detecting one or the other will typically result in you being redirected to the mobile version of the site....

    You can configure fireresizer to quickly resize your browser screen to replicate dimensions of a smart phone - this should cater to any javascript detection mobile devices based on screen size its very easy to click back and forth between screen sizers

    You will need to use the user agent switch to fake the user agent of your firefox browser - ie make the website you are looking at think firefox is for example the iphone - the user agent switcher did use to have a full list of browsers and mobile devices you can import but i can seem to find that list anymore... you will need to constantly keep clearing your cache as you will find yourself constantly having to go to google mobile or facebook mobile! lol

    There are numerous other open source simulators and emulators too - as well as paid ones also... unless you have a dual screen setup you may find it a bit of pain - i have a tri screen setup basically because i work with different environments both for standard desktop web development and mobile so i sometimes have multiple emulators going on at the same time.

    The emulators i use in addition to the method used above are Keynote MIT (FREE version), and Mobile One Test (Iphone emulator for windows - personally i think this is the best windows one out there but its about $100)

    i also constantly test my sites with ready.mobi and also http://validator.w3.org/mobile/

    I have found most iphone emulators do not replicate all its features properly - the closest has to be Apples own SDK that comes with XCode but you have to be registered as an iOS developer $99/yr

    Best testing tool i have bought to date ... an Apple iTouch you cant beat testing on a real device!

    I also have an iPhone 3GS and an Android Captivate

    Hope that helps

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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    As Jay stated not every mobile redirect script is the same. Some of them will detect the user agent or browser of the mobile device, others will simply detect the screen width of the device. For that reason emulators and simulators won't always work with detecting mobile versions of websites.

    As well as that not every website that has a mobile version will have a green icon next to it in Google Mobile. As Jay also correctly stated for this to happen you need to have coded the site in the correct format and submitted a Google Mobile sitemap so they are aware of those mobile optimized pages.

    The easiest way to tell if a business has a mobile site is simply by using a smartphone. If you don't have the money for a smartphone remember things like the ipod touch will work just the same. But don't be discouraged because as it currently stands, only a tiny percentage of all website (less than 10%) have a mobile optimized version so even if you went at this with your eyes closed, you are a lot more likely to find businesses that have no mobile website than those that do.
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      Wow, lots of good tips here! Thanks Guys/Gals!

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  • Profile picture of the author redlegrich
    Joshua is right, virtually no one actually has a mobile friendly site. Maybe 1 in 10,000 or worse (or better, depending on your point of view). Some display OK, but that's more happenstance than anything planned.
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  • Profile picture of the author CoachMikeH
    I would not worry about those who do. Assume they don't because there are so many that could use one. If they do have a mobile website, then you can offer to help them send promotionals with SMS messages. Don't forget to wow them QR codes. There are plenty of possibilities. Expand your thinking and go for it. I was able to land 4 website clients in 2 weeks just by going into businesses and asking if they needed a website. Most of the business sites around me are terrible. Low hanging fruit!
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    • Profile picture of the author escribe
      Wow! A wealth of information here. Good stuff! Appreciate all the feedback.

      So, I'm guessing these prospects never requested that their mobile site be SEO'd. I guess if someone did ask that you'd say "yes, I can SEO your site." Is that right?

      ... After all, I'd be building the site using keywords, a description etc., (as supplied by Quentin's tutorials). I would actually make sure that those carefully chosen keywords and mobile site descriptions were included when creating their mobile site.

      Have any of you found people asking "how will people find my business on a mobile phone?" or "Can you SEO this mobile site?" What's your answer?

      ... because if I moved to a new town, and wanted to find a locksmith, I'd search for "town + locksmith" or "locksmith + town" and would hope that a nice selection of locksmith companies would come up in my mobile search.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
    @escribe - i recommend you read over this wf thread...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...-websites.html

    hope that helps!

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    • Profile picture of the author escribe
      Thanks Jay!
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
        Originally Posted by escribe View Post

        Thanks Jay!
        feel free to pm me if you have any other questions

        cheers

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        • Profile picture of the author escribe
          Really appreciate it Jay! Warrior's like you make this place rock! Thanks to all the great Warrior's on this thread and others. No other place can you learn so much in so little time, and have a great group of people backing you up.

          Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Moreno
    Originally Posted by slicx View Post

    there are many ways to emulate the website but don't many of companies declare it on their website whether they have a mobile website or not?
    you will be surprised how many don't and just rely on re-direction
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    • Profile picture of the author escribe
      I have to completely agree with Jay. There are a ton of mobile websites that fail to add the fact that they are mobile on their main website. I just realized this while checking out the mobile sites that I have found. I don't know why they fail to do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author UnkleBuck
    I'm trying to do the same thing MoneyMagnetMagnate is, seeing if the emulator, any emulator, reflects the redirect of sites that I know have already been optimized.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Call and ask.

    It's much faster than doing this "research", which is code for "let me figure out how to spend more time avoiding actually talking to people."

    Here. I'll give you what to say:

    "Say, you don't have a mobile website, do you?"

    This is called a negative reversal.

    It allows the prospect to answer either Yes or No, and you don't lose face.

    "Yeah, actually we do."

    "Oh, OK; I thought you would. How's that working for you?"...(maybe they need an upgrade.)

    or

    "No, we don't."

    "Hmm. That surprises me. Why not?"...
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