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13 years ago

You could always contact paypal and tell them your are planning on having some sales with a new product you are selling. That way they will know what is going on when they see the sudden influx of payments.

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Jimian

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dustin Goode

You could always contact paypal and tell them your are planning on having some sales with a new product you are selling. That way they will know what is going on when they see the sudden influx of payments.

Thanks for reminding me (shows how people like me buy stuff on WF and then don't act on what they buy)

The guy was real nice and polite.....

So I tell the guy I may have an influx of small amounts coming into my account like 5 6 7 8 9 10 bucks at a time...a digital product ....that may total, ohhh i give him a number like 5K.

"Is that going to be a problem?" I ask.

He says "How long have you been selling on Ebay?????

I said, "I don't sell on Ebay"

"Then there shouldn't be any problem" he says.

Makes a notation of what we talked about....

He also mentions that PayPal now has what they call "Micropayments"
for anything under $10.... you get charged a smaller fee for each transaction that happens.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Jimian

Thanks for reminding me (shows how people like me buy stuff on WF and then don't act on what they buy)

The guy was real nice and polite.....

So I tell the guy I may have an influx of small amounts coming into my account like 5 6 7 8 9 10 bucks at a time...a digital product ....that may total, ohhh i give him a number like 5K.

"Is that going to be a problem?" I ask.

He says "How long have you been selling on Ebay?????

I said, "I don't sell on Ebay"

"Then there shouldn't be any problem" he says.

Makes a notation of what we talked about....

He also mentions that PayPal now has what they call "Micropayments"
for anything under $10.... you get charged a smaller fee for each transaction that happens.

Jim

Sorry, but the fact you have talked to Paypal and 'warned' then means absolutely nothing. If your account has any activity or patterns that are suspicious their fraud detection software will still pick it up and take the necessary action such as limiting your account. They take action and ask questions later. You are small fish to them so they do not care.

Think about it. If I were going to run a scam using Paypal I could just as easily call them up, like you did, and warn them I will be getting a lot of small payments also. Paypal are not stupid and so they would take any warning like this with a grain of salt. They will still take any necessary action to protect themselves and so they should.

Having said that, the amount of stories you have heard about people having their Paypal accounts shutdown fail miserably in comparison to the number of other people who are selling WSO's using Paypal and have never had a problem. Don't just assume you are going to have a problem because it is more than likely you will not... if you have put all the correct things into place.

Oh, and don't dream about using any hypey sales copy as that's a surefire way to get your account limited. No false or hypey income claims either and if it is a 'Get Rich Quick' type product, you will always be walking the tight rope because they are against their terms of use. Judging by the brief description of the product you gave it sounds like it may fall under this 'Get Rich Quick' banner.

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Jimian

13 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Sorry, but the fact you have talked to Paypal and 'warned' then means absolutely nothing. If your account has any activity or patterns that are suspicious their fraud detection software will still pick it up and take the necessary action such as limiting your account. They take action and ask questions later. You are small fish to them so they do not care.

Oh, and don't dream about using any hypey sales copy as that's a surefire way to get your account limited. No false or hypey income claims either and if it is a 'Get Rich Quick' type product, you will always be walking the tight rope because they are against their terms of use. Judging by the brief description of the product you gave it sounds like it may fall under this 'Get Rich Quick' banner.

i got ya... no nothing really hypey about it..in fact, i'm removing anything about making money and putting in a DISCLAIMER instead.
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ADHardwick

13 years ago

I have found plimus to be very easy to use.

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KaterSD

13 years ago

why not use google checkout?

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jtlucas2511 13 years ago

Originally Posted by vApor

why not use google checkout?

+1 for Google Checkout, I've switched over and I am never looking back.
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Jimian 13 years ago

Originally Posted by vApor

why not use google checkout?

For a WSO?

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...not-trend.html
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TheKeys

13 years ago

Dont focus on the couple of people who get it shut down compared to the thousands of people who use paypal successfully.

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Quentin

13 years ago

I have pretty big fluctuation in my Paypal account and most of the horror stories you hear about have a reason behind them.

Make sure you have a business account and you should have no problems.

Don't leave huge amounts in your account trying to escape tax.

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Austin357

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Quentin

I have pretty big fluctuation in my Paypal account and most of the horror stories you hear about have a reason behind them.

Make sure you have a business account and you should have no problems.

Don't leave huge amounts in your account trying to escape tax.

Quentin

Good point Quentin! I had some issues when I had a regular Paypal account. I upgraded to the business account and since then had no problems.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Quentin

Don't leave huge amounts in your account trying to escape tax.

But make sure you leave about 30% of the money you receive inside your account. As soon as you don't have enough money to cover any potential refunds or chargebacks, then you become a risk to Paypal. They don't like that. Customers have something like 45 days in which they can still dispute a Paypal transaction so if you don't leave enough money for that period, you are sounding an alarm.

Don't listen to all the people telling you to take your money out of your account as soon as you receive it. Big mistake. Besides, Paypal has the ability to pull money back out from your linked bank account so this solves nothing anyway.

Only businesses with something to hide or something to fear would be pulling their money out as soon as they receive it. Paypal know this. Just act like a normal above-board business and you should be fine.

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Adrian John

13 years ago

Maybe you need money on a weekly basis.Or daily like me ... or maybe next week when you go in holiday ... and it take up to 1week for the money to actually get into my account.
I never had any problem with Paypal withdrawing the same minute i received it.I just did it, several min ago, and several days ago, and the last week ... and so on

I have an business account and never had any refund request. Maybe this counts too.

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But make sure you leave about 30% of the money you receive inside your account. As soon as you don't have enough money to cover any potential refunds or chargebacks, then you become a risk to Paypal. They don't like that. Customers have something like 45 days in which they can still dispute a Paypal transaction so if you don't leave enough money for that period, you are sounding an alarm.

Don't listen to all the people telling you to take your money out of your account as soon as you receive it. Big mistake. Besides, Paypal has the ability to pull money back out from your linked bank account so this solves nothing anyway.

Only businesses with something to hide or something to fear would be pulling their money out as soon as they receive it. Paypal know this. Just act like a normal above-board business and you should be fine.

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WillR

13 years ago

Originally Posted by banditu

Maybe you need money on a weekly basis.Or daily like me ... or maybe next week when you go in holiday ... and it take up to 1week for the money to actually get into my account.
I never had any problem with Paypal withdrawing the same minute i received it.I just did it, several min ago, and several days ago, and the last week ... and so on

I have an business account and never had any refund request. Maybe this counts too.

The one thing you will learn with Paypal is just because something has been ok up until now does not mean it will not cause you a problem in the future. Everyone who has had their account limited or frozen lately had also been conducting business with Paypal for many years and never once had a problem. But it doesn't matter and it doesn't mean you will not have a problem tomorrow.. or the next day.

What we are talking about here is limiting the risk of having your Paypal account frozen or shutdown. Having a business account does not prevent anything. If you are a high risk to Paypal then you have a higher risk of them coming after you. One thing that makes you a high risk is when you withdraw money as soon as it has been paid to you since you have no money left to cover refunds or chargebacks. That's a surefire way to raise a flag.

You can continue to do so and you might be lucky and nothing will happen to your account - fingers crossed. But those who want to keep their accounts intact will take note of the things that are causing the problems and minimize their risk by acting accordingly.

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seo slayer

13 years ago

Funnel your sales through some 3rd party programs like - 2CheckOut, Plimus, E-Junkie, FastSpring etc. You won't be banned

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Michael Daniels

13 years ago

Paypal errrrrrrrr two thumbs down forever! 2 Cents.

Originally Posted by seo slayer

Funnel your sales through some 3rd party programs like - 2CheckOut, Plimus, E-Junkie, FastSpring etc. You won't be banned

Could not agree more - 100% on the Money!

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fitz10

13 years ago

Don't use forced opt-ins, don't make hype-y income claims, don't claim this as a get rich quick or make millions from home opportunity and chances are you'll be fine with a $5,000 influx (or more). I'm not saying that the people who've had their Paypal suspended are scammy people, in fact many people I highly respect have had their accounts suspended, but generally they've done something or another to inadvertently break Paypal's rules. Hundreds of people run WSOs without a problem every month.

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13 years ago

Hey Jim did you buy Jason's new Paypal ebook? If not... get it asap!

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Jimian

13 years ago

Good advice from all.. So I took the plunge. We'll see what happens.

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Super Warrior

13 years ago

There are a lot of other alternatives like Plimus, Google2Checkout and AlertPay.

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fitz10

13 years ago

Jimian, I saw your WSO with its disclaimer. Great idea! I think this is something I might incorporate into future WSOs.

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Jimian 13 years ago

Originally Posted by fitz10

Jimian, I saw your WSO with its disclaimer. Great idea! I think this is something I might incorporate into future WSOs.

Yeah thanks... so far everything is working well here's the disclaimer I used:

EARNINGS DISCLAIMER
EVERY EFFORT HAS BEEN MADE TO ACCURATELY REPRESENT THIS PRODUCT AND IT'S POTENTIAL.
THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU WILL EARN ANY MONEY USING THE TECHNIQUES AND NO
RESULTS ARE GUARANTEED. EXAMPLES IN OUR MATERIAL ARE NOT TO BE INTERPRETED AS A
PROMISE OR GUARANTEE OF RESULTS. RESULTS ARE ENTIRELY DEPENDENT ON THE PERSON USING
OUR PRODUCT, IDEAS AND TECHNIQUES. WE DO NOT PRESENT THIS AS A "GET RICH SCHEME."
YOUR LEVEL OF SUCCESS IN ATTAINING THE RESULTS CLAIMED IN OUR MATERIALS DEPENDS
ONTHE TIME YOU DEVOTE TO THE PROGRAM, IDEAS AND TECHNIQUES MENTIONED, YOUR
FINANCES, KNOWLEDGE AND VARIOUS SKILLS.
SINCE THESE FACTORS DIFFER ACCORDING TO INDIVIDUALS, WE CANNOT GUARANTEE YOUR
SUCCESS. NOR ARE WE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OF YOUR ACTIONS.
BY READING PAST THIS POINT YOU ACCEPT THESE TERMS AND CONDITIONS!

PERSONAL USE ONLY
THEFT & ILLEGAL DISTRIBUTION OF THIS COURSE WITHOUT WRITTEN CONSENT FROM THE AUTHOR IS ILLEGAL!

The following information is to ensure PayPal compliance
© Copyright 2011 Jim Iannelli 12 Alderbrook Dr. Cranston, RI 02920 404-644-0028 Contact Here

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http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...art-phone.html

I also called ahead of time and told them there would be an influx of orders...yada yada yada
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