Should I lease my local website or sell the local leads?

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So I was doing some local lead gen for a few consulting clients and realized I can pretty much rank any site I want locally. Then I came up with the idea of leasing a website or domain to a local business owner. This website will be ranked for 4-5 local keywords in their area on page 1 of Google.

But then I thought I could get a phone number that will drive calls to their phone line and have this number tracked. I would place the number on my site and sell the leads to the local business owner instead of leasing the site.

So my question is:

Is it better for a small business owner to lease a website per month that has 4-5 of it's targeted keywords on the 1st page of Google?

or

Sell them the leads that come in from that site and charge per lead. The calls would be tracked using a phone tracking service. I have one company that I use that does a good job tracking calls, giving you the location of the call and time spent on the call.

or

Anything creative from combining the two services. Interested in knowing your thoughts.

thanks!
#leads #lease #local #sell #website
  • Profile picture of the author rlhurst
    I just set one up yesterday for pest control in my area. I'm having the calls forwarded from the number on the site (I used phone.com) to the pest control service I personally use. They pay $25 per referral (not lead). I called them and explained what I was doing, so when they get a call from someone looking for (website name), they'll understand it's coming from my site.

    I figure I'll track the calls (dates, times, numbers) for a month, see what the company "credits" me with, then decide from there what will be more profitable for me. There's no way, I can see, of knowing exactly how many of those calls end up being customers, so I'll have to make a judgement call at the end of the month whether to continue with that strategy, or move on to a different pest control company and offer to rent the site to them. I'd inform them of the traffic it generated the past month.

    Hey, I don't know exactly what I'm doing, or if it will be effective, but I'm taking ACTION, and that's the important part to me. Tweaking can always be done,.....

    So, I'd say just pick a strategy and try it out. You can always adjust later.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      I am a leads guy, i have been selling leads for more yrs then i can remember.
      so of course, i am going to say. "Sell the leads"

      To me, it is the easiest, faster way to make consistent money,
      and truthfully, selling leads is just like selling crack.

      Once they are hooked, there is no turning back for them,
      and you are in the drivers seat, so you can raise the price per lead,
      get referrals, bonus, pretty much whatever you want.

      Including a % of the sale
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      • Profile picture of the author opiniones
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        I am a leads guy, i have been selling leads for more yrs then i can remember.
        so of course, i am going to say. "Sell the leads"

        To me, it is the easiest, faster way to make consistent money,
        and truthfully, selling leads is just like selling crack.

        Once they are hooked, there is no turning back for them,
        and you are in the drivers seat, so you can raise the price per lead,
        get referrals, bonus, pretty much whatever you want.

        Including a % of the sale
        My question is how do you get paid? Do you write a contract saying that they have to pay you at the end of the month for all the calls they got from your site? Do they pay you on a weekly basis?

        I'm curious about this since it's different from the 1 time monthly payment to rent a site.
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        • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
          Originally Posted by opiniones View Post

          My question is how do you get paid? Do you write a contract saying that they have to pay you at the end of the month for all the calls they got from your site? Do they pay you on a weekly basis?

          I'm curious about this since it's different from the 1 time monthly payment to rent a site.
          Paper leads i get paid the day i bring the leads in. unless i have been doing business with them a long time. then i will let it go a wk max.
          ( if i know them i get a check. if they are new i get cash )

          inbound phone calls are a different beast - they are also the easiest.

          if they are not pre qualified ( ie "he call now for this great deal " ) then
          they get a 800 # and an extension. the extension is the tracker it goes thru a PBX system, and i have real time stats online. costs a bit of $ but is well worth it as it tracks call duration, dis positioning , ect.

          they pay once a wk MAX with a check. per good phone call, or sale.
          depending on the deal i have set up.

          pre qualified in-bounds are even more different. as i have the calls routed to india, they pre-qualify the leads then LIVE transfer them to the buyer

          they pay once a wk Max ( i pay india, once a month )

          there is a saying in this business.

          The check is always good, until the last one.

          it means. you will get burned, its all part of the game. so you have to minimize the amount you lose. also, here in the states the average life span of a telemarketing room is 2.5 yrs.

          Regardless of how much money it produces, or how successful it is.

          If you really want in the leads game. you have to relize that some leads sell for as little .5 and some leads sell for 500.00 and more.

          Its a tough racket. its 1000% about trust. but once you have that trust,
          its all gravy. The way to get the trust, is all about quality of lead.
          and or if you sell exclusive, that you really do sell exclusive.

          Want some easy pickings? go find out about the telemarketing rooms in your area. find them all, find out what they all sell. find out if they use predictive dialers, or they hump the phones manually, try and find out
          how many shifts they run, and approx how many employees.

          next step. look harder at the ones selling the same thing. ( for instance in my area i have 8 rooms selling timeshare resales )

          if you can get leads for that particular niche. goto the SMALLEST of the rooms. make a deal.

          if your leads are good. there room will start producing more money then the larger rooms, sales people will earn more commission. the salespeople from the larger rooms will quit there current job, and goto work were you are selling the leads to. Once that happens. the other rooms will come to you. Its that simple. then you are completely in control.

          Whatever you do. no matter how awesome they make it sound.
          do not, i repeat do not. take a percent of the sale. Do bizz with them a while, see if they are semi trustworthy, see if they play any games
          see if they try to pull any "fast ones" they all do @ some point.

          If you ever want to jump into percentage of the sales. don't do it, unless they will allow you access to the books. whenever you want.
          even then its dicy. you will make plenty of money on a per lead/per call basis. don't get greedy. a lot of those sale people useing your leads now
          will open there own place when the place they are working at folds.
          You do your job properly, they will come to you.


          If you want help i have years of experience in selling leads, and i like helping people out. just send me a PM
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    • Profile picture of the author Traffic_Is_King
      Originally Posted by rlhurst View Post

      I just set one up yesterday for pest control in my area. I'm having the calls forwarded from the number on the site (I used phone.com) to the pest control service I personally use. They pay $25 per referral (not lead). I called them and explained what I was doing, so when they get a call from someone looking for (website name), they'll understand it's coming from my site.

      I figure I'll track the calls (dates, times, numbers) for a month, see what the company "credits" me with, then decide from there what will be more profitable for me. There's no way, I can see, of knowing exactly how many of those calls end up being customers, so I'll have to make a judgement call at the end of the month whether to continue with that strategy, or move on to a different pest control company and offer to rent the site to them. I'd inform them of the traffic it generated the past month.

      Hey, I don't know exactly what I'm doing, or if it will be effective, but I'm taking ACTION, and that's the important part to me. Tweaking can always be done,.....

      So, I'd say just pick a strategy and try it out. You can always adjust later.

      I like your strategy. But like you said it is hard to tell how many of the leads turned to referrals. I would think the business owner would not try to dupe because you are bringing them business but there is no real way to tell if they converted the leads. Thats pretty much out of your control. But you are soo right. Taking action is key. You can always tweak as you go on.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark_Babcock
        Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_King View Post

        I like your strategy. But like you said it is hard to tell how many of the leads turned to referrals. I would think the business owner would not try to dupe because you are bringing them business but there is no real way to tell if they converted the leads. Thats pretty much out of your control. But you are soo right. Taking action is key. You can always tweak as you go on.
        20+ years of experience as an entrepreneur and business owner who's built a number of companies in a diversity of industries represented by nearly $100 million in collective revenues, as many as 200+ concurrent employees, as well a partners, shareholders, investors, venture capitalists and thousands of customers tells me otherwise....

        "Buyers are liars"

        Just give it time, and most of them will "test" you to see if they can get away with not telling you about this lead or another so they don't have to pay...and maybe it starts with an honest mistake - but once they know you don't have any way to keep them honest, it can go downhill fast.

        Don't get me wrong.

        I'm not at all saying you shouldn't trust your customer and they shouldn't trust you - because every relationship is built on trust and to get it, you have to give it (and you definitely want to get it, because they won't do biz with you until they.....know, like and trust you.

        What I am saying is that sometimes the best, most productive, mutually beneficial and trusting relationships are that way because each party knows the measures are in place to "keep them honest."

        "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark_Babcock
    From the perspective of the small business owner:

    I REALLY like @rlhurst's concept because I don't have to spend money until I know I'm going to make money.

    Second to that, my preference would be paying per lead - especially if I can "turn it on and off" (and assuming the leads are quality) because I'm only paying when the phone rings/lead comes in/etc (and I'll pay more if I'm the only one your sending the lead to)>

    My last choice (on the surface anyway) out of the options given would be leasing the site, because I'm going to be paying for it every month whether leads come or not - BUT - if I'm a smart biz owner, this could be my first choice if it's generating a lot of leads and the cost per month works out to be a lower cost per lead (most small biz owners don't think this way though).

    From the perspective of the marketer (you):

    If I rank and lease the site, I know I got a fixed amount of recurring income each and every month. If the first biz I lease the site to opts out...I just find his competition. It's low maintenance and pretty well "hands off" - all you have to do is make sure it stays ranked and check to make sure the payments are coming in.

    If I'm going to sell the leads to a SINGLE biz, it adds a bit of work and customer service to the equation. I now have to track and invoice based on leads provided, handle disputes where the customer said "I never got that lead" or "I'm not paying for it because it wasn't any good," etc, etc. This option has greater monetization potential than the build/lease - but it requires a bit more planning, setup and ongoing maintenance (not terribly difficult to do though).

    You could also offer "shared" leads. For example, sell shared leads for $10 to "not more than 4 competitors" OR sell it exclusively for $30. Again, adds more monetization potential and a bit more planning, setup and maintenance (again, not to difficult).

    And the greatest monetization potential is definitely in @rlhurst's approach - sell "referrals" and not just leads. I don't know a single business owner out there who wouldn't say "YES - I'll pay you for bringing me a CUSTOMER." But again, it requires yet another level of "hands on" participation on your part - not to mention a certain degree of TRUST with your client or a bullet proof system in place that prevents them from being able to "steal" referrals and not pay you either intentionally by saying, "yeah, I talked to that one but they didn't buy" when they really did OR unintentionally in a situation where a customer doesn't buy now...but does in 3 months and is "overlooked."

    And with the "referral" model you could - as @KenMichaels suggested - get a % of the deal and increase your revenue potential even further.

    To take that one step further, you could become an "outside sales agent" for the business as an independent contractor (and could develop it into a full fledged outsourced marketing/sales agency). In this case, you would generate leads, deliver quotes, close deals and "manage" the customer relationship on an ongoing basis. The advantage to this model is you get higher percentages up front (b/c your client has 0 customer acquisition cost) PLUS recurring revenue off each client rather than the one time referral. I haven't really seen a B2C market this would work well in (not enough recurring)...but then I haven't really looked either.

    As far as the client (end user) is concerned, you are their point of contact with the company (your customer). In a previous business I had several "outside" salespeople that worked 2-3 days a week that I was more than happy to pay 6 figures a year.


    So really, they are all great models with the potential of making a nice income. It really comes down to you deciding which approach best fits your objectives.

    If you want a more complex process that makes more money but has greater risk (the trust factor) - referrals (fee and/or %) are the way to go.

    If that doesn't work for you, and if you can invest a little time/effort into setting up, managing, billing and dealing with the occasional disgruntled customer that doesn't want to pay - selling leads is the path to take (shared and/or exclusive).

    And if you want to "set it and forget it" (as a marketer you've got to love Ron Popeil) and just collect recurring monthly payments - then leasing sites is what you want to do.

    From a monetization standpoint, what you can charge your customers for each (monthly lease, lead, referral, %) is going to vary based on the niche, the market size; the average transaction value (theirs); the lifetime value of the customer (again, theirs) AND of course - what a ready, willing and able buyer (yours) will pay.

    I've got folks I work with that use all of the above. It really comes down to you defining your objectives and picking the one that works best for you.

    Sorry to ramble on so long.

    Hope that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author angmoore
    If you are going to do per lead, you have to track and have the leads come to you as well. If you are doing a lot of sites like that, that's a lot of work. I would say better to sell but that's just my humble opinion. I thought about leasing sites but I prefer just to have the business owner hire me and drive traffic to their site.
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  • Profile picture of the author dancorkill
    I have seen a lot of people try it. I am sure it can work. It sounds like an easy sell to business owners. But I think people often find it isn't so easy. I would line up the people you will sell it to first before you do any work.

    If I had a heap of sites ranked for a local market I would lease them to one client (who has the money to spend) as part of a bigger marketing package.
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