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Web Rental - How I Land Clients

by EmmaPowell
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Hiya Offline Warrior

I just started renting out web space and it as been no problem at all. My site as ranked very well top 3 positions for the keywords I target. I pick business to call 3 ways

1) On page 3 or worse on google
2) Advertising on adwords but not organically
3) Advertising in yellow pages (big glossy ads) but websites not ranking organically in first 2 pages

The second 2 are usually very interested because they are already spending money. Me and my husband have tried scripts but what seems to work best is a natural conversation, but you keep the control by asking leading questions. Also business owners love talking about themselves or rather their business and how to get more customers, so that is always the main focus! You must emphasis THEIR business and WIIFM (what in it for me)

If the business owner does not seem chatty then send them and email and/or a letter. Screen shot your ranking vs screen shot their current ranking and add a catchy headline "Need more customers? Call me to skyrocket your sales - no risk!" Then email or post or both. I always put on their that I will call them on a particular day and I do it!


Another point is lead capture..... if they are not interested now then at least get them on your list so you can continue to market to them. Create a product to give away in exchange for their email. It does not need to be anything too flash but it must focus on their business and the internet. Include some facts and figures then some tips. You want it to sound like you know what you are talking about here and position yourself as an authority in all things IM. What I have done is set up a squeeze page specifically for this with just an opt in form and a title ... from memory its something like "Claim your FREE ebook 27 Internet Marketing Must Haves For Your Business" Then I just send them the link to that page in my email.

I hope this helps some warriors. I KNOW this works, this is exactly what I do and it works a treat!

Emma
#clients #land #offline #rental #web
  • Profile picture of the author J-Co
    Hi Rande,

    Great post, thanks for the tips. Seems like the things that work are the most common sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author SBCopywritingGuy
      Originally Posted by J-Co View Post

      Hi Rande,

      Great post, thanks for the tips. Seems like the things that work are the most common sense.
      I agree. Sometimes the easiest things are the most effective things.
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
    Yeah it is all pretty straight forward and really easy to do.

    My first webrental cost me $10 for my domain and I rent out 5 pages for $100 each so ROI is rockin'
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Makarski
      Originally Posted by Rande View Post

      Yeah it is all pretty straight forward and really easy to do.

      My first webrental cost me $10 for my domain and I rent out 5 pages for $100 each so ROI is rockin'
      Do you tie them up with a contract for a certain period, like a year, or do you go month by month?
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    • Profile picture of the author RRG
      Originally Posted by Rande View Post

      Yeah it is all pretty straight forward and really easy to do.

      My first webrental cost me $10 for my domain and I rent out 5 pages for $100 each so ROI is rockin'
      Can you clarify this? Do you mean 5 domains that you are renting?

      What niches do you target?
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    • Profile picture of the author Suze Thomas
      Originally Posted by Rande View Post

      Yeah it is all pretty straight forward and really easy to do.

      My first webrental cost me $10 for my domain and I rent out 5 pages for $100 each so ROI is rockin'
      Just thinking out loud, have you tried testing higher price points? I'm just asking because I know someone who is renting very simple sites out for more than twice that.
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by Suze Thomas View Post

        Just thinking out loud, have you tried testing higher price points? I'm just asking because I know someone who is renting very simple sites out for more than twice that.
        Hiya!

        Have not really thought about it, $500 per website per month that cost me $10 to set up, I am VERY happy with

        Its also a quick turnaround and really very easy to sell to businesses so I don't waste time calling businesses trying to sell. I feel it is a really good offer that will bring a business money, they will continue to keep the service and hopefully when they want something else done they will come to me for that too

        BUT...... your point is valid, I should test and measure price points, it is good business practice, thanks

        Emma
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    • Profile picture of the author TheAttraction
      Hey! great tips! thanks for sharing...could you explain a little more about what you mean? for example, you are building out a 5 page website? and you charge 100 per page per month? or are these wordpress sites? or like some kind of best of site where you feature businesses on that page?thanks! Dave
      Originally Posted by Rande View Post

      Yeah it is all pretty straight forward and really easy to do.

      My first webrental cost me $10 for my domain and I rent out 5 pages for $100 each so ROI is rockin'
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    • Profile picture of the author noxid101
      Wow this is great what did you do to rank the rental sites?
      How long did it take to get them ranked?
      Cost?

      Thanks,
      Dylan
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Wilhite
    Originally Posted by Rande View Post

    1) On page 3 or worse on google
    2) Advertising on adwords but not organically
    3) Advertising in yellow pages (big glossy ads) but websites not ranking organically in first 2 pages
    Good solid strategy to get offline clients.

    This here is also applicable when you want to provide other services like SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by Alex Makarski View Post

      Do you tie them up with a contract for a certain period, like a year, or do you go month by month?
      I do month by month, I do get them to sign a contract that asks that they give me 30 days notice to end the contract. I feel giving business owners this flexibility is a really good selling point

      Originally Posted by RRG View Post

      Can you clarify this? Do you mean 5 domains that you are renting?
      I have 5-7 page website. The front page has the service that I am targeting and then surrounding it is buttons for 5 more targeted areas in my town. Each button goes to its page (this is the page that is for rent) it is highly optimised and this is the page that is ranked in the SE.

      I also rank the front page with the KW + Larger city area . This page is more difficult to rank as it is a broader area but it drives traffic to the more specific areas/other pages very well and well well worth the effort

      What niches do you target?[/quote]
      Any service or trade that is in demand. It works for all types but it works particularly well for tradies

      Originally Posted by Mary Wilhite View Post

      Good solid strategy to get offline clients.

      This here is also applicable when you want to provide other services like SEO.
      Thank you and yes it is a really good way to become the "go to person" when you have already proven yourself and your skills. Its a minimal outlay for a business and I have found they feel comfortable then coming to me with more work

      Hope this helps

      Emma
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      • Profile picture of the author RRG
        Originally Posted by Rande View Post

        I do month by month, I do get them to sign a contract that asks that they give me 30 days notice to end the contract. I feel giving business owners this flexibility is a really good selling point



        I have 5-7 page website. The front page has the service that I am targeting and then surrounding it is buttons for 5 more targeted areas in my town. Each button goes to its page (this is the page that is for rent) it is highly optimised and this is the page that is ranked in the SE.

        I also rank the front page with the KW + Larger city area . This page is more difficult to rank as it is a broader area but it drives traffic to the more specific areas/other pages very well and well well worth the effort

        What niches do you target?
        Any service or trade that is in demand. It works for all types but it works particularly well for tradies[/QUOTE]


        So I hope I'm understanding you correctly: you're renting 5-7 different pages within the same domain?

        For example, the home page is "ChicagoPlumbers.com" and then you have pages such as ChicagoPlumbers.com/downtown, ChicagoPlumbers.com/LincolnPark, ChicagoPlumbers.com/WestSide, ChicagoPlumbers.com/Wrigleyville, etc.

        Or is it Downtown.ChicagoPlumbers.com?

        And you're able to rent each page?

        This is different than others I've seen here talking about the leasing model.

        Any challenges getting the .downtown or /downtown ranked as opposed to the root domain?


        Thanks,

        RRG

        P.S. I agree: month-to-month is the way to go.
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by RRG View Post

          Any service or trade that is in demand. It works for all types but it works particularly well for tradies


          So I hope I'm understanding you correctly: you're renting 5-7 different pages within the same domain?

          For example, the home page is "ChicagoPlumbers.com" and then you have pages such as ChicagoPlumbers.com/downtown, ChicagoPlumbers.com/LincolnPark, ChicagoPlumbers.com/WestSide, ChicagoPlumbers.com/Wrigleyville, etc.

          Or is it Downtown.ChicagoPlumbers.com?

          And you're able to rent each page?

          This is different than others I've seen here talking about the leasing model.

          Any challenges getting the .downtown or /downtown ranked as opposed to the root domain?


          Thanks,

          RRG

          P.S. I agree: month-to-month is the way to go.
          Hiya RRG,

          What you said below here in quotes

          "For example, the home page is "ChicagoPlumbers.com" and then you have pages such as ChicagoPlumbers.com/downtown,"

          That is exactly what I do. I rank the landing page and then all the pages that are smaller suburbs as well.

          Its actually really easy ranking the pages

          Emma
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          • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
            Originally Posted by EmmaPowell View Post

            Hiya RRG,

            Its actually really easy ranking the pages

            Emma
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      • Profile picture of the author rlenthe
        Emma,

        Do you offer a course/info on how to set all this up?

        Thanks,

        Rob (rlenthe at yahoo dot com)
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexBroom
    Good work Rande, you're great

    Can i see same example of your work?

    Thank you
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    • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
      One thing you should experiment with is getting long term lease agreements. I used to do month to month agreements, but then I found there was a lot more power with longer term agreements. My typical web lease agreement is 5 years.

      So let's say I get a lease agreement for five years at $500. That has some value to it. For instance I sold some payments from a few lease agreements and bought a car cash. I found someone to pay me 90% on the dollar on some agreements that were aged(meaning they had paid already for 6-12 months). So I sold off 2 years of my lease payments which will now be paid directly to the factor.

      I'm buying some real estate and selling off some lease payments and paying cash for the real estate. I'm buying a house for $30k that needs $8,700 worth of work. So I'll have to sell around $45k worth of payments to make that work. Then the house will go into the Section 8 program and it will bring in $1,200 a month in rent. I'll then get a mortgage on the property and take my cash back out. And now I have $30-50k in cash and I'm still generating a cash flow of $700-800/mo. Fun stuff buddy!

      You can also do fun stuff like create the websites under your roth IRA. I have some websites that are under my roth, some that are under my wife's and my children each have websites under their educational IRA's. I love seeing my two year old's education IRA have over $10k in it already and growing by an average of $7k a year. And then I can take that money that's in the IRA and buy other websites and such.

      You can upsell your clients as well by helping them use YOUR website to get tied into Google Maps as well. Once you get that done, man they NEVER want to leave. That's the best part finding clients who will pay you religiously every single month. I love it.

      Marcos
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      • Profile picture of the author RRG
        Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

        One thing you should experiment with is getting long term lease agreements. I used to do month to month agreements, but then I found there was a lot more power with longer term agreements. My typical web lease agreement is 5 years.

        So let's say I get a lease agreement for five years at $500. That has some value to it. For instance I sold some payments from a few lease agreements and bought a car cash. I found someone to pay me 90% on the dollar on some agreements that were aged(meaning they had paid already for 6-12 months). So I sold off 2 years of my lease payments which will now be paid directly to the factor.

        I'm buying some real estate and selling off some lease payments and paying cash for the real estate. I'm buying a house for $30k that needs $8,700 worth of work. So I'll have to sell around $45k worth of payments to make that work. Then the house will go into the Section 8 program and it will bring in $1,200 a month in rent. I'll then get a mortgage on the property and take my cash back out. And now I have $30-50k in cash and I'm still generating a cash flow of $700-800/mo. Fun stuff buddy!

        You can also do fun stuff like create the websites under your roth IRA. I have some websites that are under my roth, some that are under my wife's and my children each have websites under their educational IRA's. I love seeing my two year old's education IRA have over $10k in it already and growing by an average of $7k a year. And then I can take that money that's in the IRA and buy other websites and such.

        You can upsell your clients as well by helping them use YOUR website to get tied into Google Maps as well. Once you get that done, man they NEVER want to leave. That's the best part finding clients who will pay you religiously every single month. I love it.

        Marcos
        Marcos,

        Are you saying you lease them for $500 a year for five years?

        If so, I see a couple problems with that:

        One, $60 a month is not a lot for a website that is presumably generating leads.

        Two, a five-year lease commitment for say, an office space, sure. But for a web property? That sounds like a tough sell.

        One reason for the month-to-month model is risk reversal. It's easier for a prospect to say yes if they perceive the proposition as low- or no-risk.

        Your thoughts?
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        • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
          No, no, no most of my properties rent for between $250-1.5k a month.

          I rent in smaller cities less than 1M in population. And do lead-gen in larger cities.

          I've always felt it made more sense to rent for a longer term. But I also do everything I can to tie them into the new website. For instance let's say I do a moving company in Daytona Beach. I'll get them on the maps. I'll have my phone number that I control on the website. I'll order them business cards with the new website on them. I'll do some press releases with the new site, etc, etc. I also have other avenues of traffic for the website. Like let's say I'm working in Daytona Beach. I won't just do the moving company, I'll usually create around 200 different websites across surrounding communities and other niches. So that it's possible that they are getting not just traffic from the moving website, but also getting traffic from a realtors site, and a furniture rental site, and whatever. Make sense?

          I also build email lists that get a done for them newsletter once a month. It lists the different companies and their contact information on each newsletter. That in and of itself is very valuable. My rental clients also get a bi-weekly marketing newsletter from me that is usually the first time they've heard some of this stuff(Dan Kennedy, Jay Abraham, etc). I've had clients tell me the site is just icing on the cake and the newsletter I send them is worth every bit of money they spend on the rental.

          It's all about adding on value. Creating SOOOOO much value. And once you show that value, you ask them how long would you like to lock into this agreement so your competitors can't get access to it? Also I have access to the clients, so imagine if they decide to bail out a year from now. I have the leads captured for the last year which makes it even more valuable to rent it out to the next guy.

          Of course I've been doing this for a while so I have video testimonials on my DVD where I've got clients who swear they are getting a 10-20x return on investment for their website and that they love not having to worry about it or deal with it that it's just done for them.

          I guess the truth is I don't really rent websites. I license complete internet marketing packages that have everything included. I tend to get top dollar and I tend to do it long term. I want to sell it once and be done with it.

          How do you know you can't rent long term if you haven't tried? Put together your own system and ask for a long term commitment, you'll be surprised at how many will jump on it.

          Marcos
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          • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
            Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

            I also have other avenues of traffic for the website. Like let's say I'm working in Daytona Beach. I won't just do the moving company, I'll usually create around 200 different websites across surrounding communities and other niches. So that it's possible that they are getting not just traffic from the moving website, but also getting traffic from a realtors site, and a furniture rental site, and whatever. Make sense?
            Hi Marcos, is it 200 sites or 20? I think you mentioned last year about 20-25 sites where you own the domains plus some free social sites like blogs etc...
            Just making sure :-)


            Thomas
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            • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
              Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

              Hi Marcos, is it 200 sites or 20? I think you mentioned last year about 20-25 sites where you own the domains plus some free social sites like blogs etc...
              Just making sure :-)


              Thomas
              It's all complicated within all the different posts and different methods I use. But I have closer to 40 niches I'm working now, and am going with some lower competition/income phrases that are super easy to rank for easy income. And then what I typically do is work a market like Seattle. I'll do lead gen in my most traffic intensive/cash intensive niches. And then in the surrounding communities I'll do the site rentals. So for instance I might have sites in Redmond, Belleview, Tacoma, etc. And then I'm in 40 niches in those areas for rentals. So it ends up being 200 sites in the Seattle area, or Dallas or Miami.

              So the answer is it's kind of both. 20-25(now 40 sometimes) sites for Tacoma but 200 different sites in the Seattle area. We don't get all of them rented but enough to where we definitely make some coin. I'm pretty sure I talked about this before but I can't really recall to be honest. We aim for 1 city a quarter.

              Make sense?

              Marcos
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        • Profile picture of the author shockwave
          Originally Posted by RRG View Post

          Marcos,

          Two, a five-year lease commitment for say, an office space, sure. But for a web property? That sounds like a tough sell.

          One reason for the month-to-month model is risk reversal. It's easier for a prospect to say yes if they perceive the proposition as low- or no-risk.

          Your thoughts?
          I'm gonna have to agree with RRG here. Not saying it can't be done though. I would have to think that what MRomeo is describing is probably one of those opportunities that comes along every once in a while and is probably not the norm.

          The part I'm curious about is whether or not anyone has ever backed out of one of these contracts? It seems that if someone did, the easier route would be to just lease all the established properties to a competitor rather than to try to collect.

          But hey, if you can find a niche like that - go for it! Good stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

        One thing you should experiment with is getting long term lease agreements. I used to do month to month agreements, but then I found there was a lot more power with longer term agreements. My typical web lease agreement is 5 years.

        So let's say I get a lease agreement for five years at $500. That has some value to it. For instance I sold some payments from a few lease agreements and bought a car cash. I found someone to pay me 90% on the dollar on some agreements that were aged(meaning they had paid already for 6-12 months). So I sold off 2 years of my lease payments which will now be paid directly to the factor.

        I'm buying some real estate and selling off some lease payments and paying cash for the real estate. I'm buying a house for $30k that needs $8,700 worth of work. So I'll have to sell around $45k worth of payments to make that work. Then the house will go into the Section 8 program and it will bring in $1,200 a month in rent. I'll then get a mortgage on the property and take my cash back out. And now I have $30-50k in cash and I'm still generating a cash flow of $700-800/mo. Fun stuff buddy!

        You can also do fun stuff like create the websites under your roth IRA. I have some websites that are under my roth, some that are under my wife's and my children each have websites under their educational IRA's. I love seeing my two year old's education IRA have over $10k in it already and growing by an average of $7k a year. And then I can take that money that's in the IRA and buy other websites and such.

        You can upsell your clients as well by helping them use YOUR website to get tied into Google Maps as well. Once you get that done, man they NEVER want to leave. That's the best part finding clients who will pay you religiously every single month. I love it.

        Marcos
        This does not fit my model, a 5 year lease is far to long, especially in this economic climate. But hey, if you can make it work thats fantastic

        Part of the appeal for my web renatls is that it is already ranking and there is no fixed term, this removes the barriers or blockers and overcomes objections with ease

        Originally Posted by mrmatt View Post

        Bob,

        A few phone calls a month could be just fine depending on the business. It's always about the ROI. If they only get a few phone calls but each phone call is potentially worth thousands of dollars of income it would be worth it.

        I have a client that is paying me $200 a month. Only gets 1 to 2 calls a month. But each phone call is worth $20,000+. Even if he only got one new customer in a year he is getting a 10 to 1 ROI.

        By the way he is stoked with those numbers. He was running a 1/4 page ad in the classified ad paper and had not received a call in a year and a half. The first month the site was up he received 3 phone calls.
        Yep, I have experienced similar results with clients too

        Originally Posted by dtaylor View Post

        Rande,
        Thanks for sharing such valuable information.

        Do you use Wordpress or html sites? I'm assuming html but just wondering.

        Thanks,
        DTaylor
        I love wordpress, but that's just me! I am not overly technical. I can build websites no prob, but when I want a really sharp/hot looking site I pop on over to fiverr and get someone more specialised to customise my site to the way I want it to look
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        • Profile picture of the author breathclean
          Any experience using lead tracking phone numbers or other ways to verify leads sent? or just hope the client sees value and tracks on their own?
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          • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
            Originally Posted by breathclean View Post

            Any experience using lead tracking phone numbers or other ways to verify leads sent? or just hope the client sees value and tracks on their own?

            I have not used lead tracking phone numbers - The page they rent is decked out with their logo and blurb - but that is def food for thought - thanks

            I have google analytics installed so I can see the hits it is getting, if the page is getting hits but no calls something is amiss and investigation is warranted
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            • Profile picture of the author breathclean
              would be really interested to hear your backlinking strategies. pm me if you feel like sharing
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              • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
                Originally Posted by breathclean View Post

                would be really interested to hear your backlinking strategies. pm me if you feel like sharing
                Hey, its not problem at all! There is no backlinking miracle..... in fact my newest web rental project is on page 1 position 1 in yahoo for my 5 keywords that I have targeted - Trade + Location

                Here is a screenshot of my new rankings on a site that has 0 backlinks

                New Web Rental Project

                I will start backlinking to see improvements in google and then my offer to potential clients is irresistible.
                When I do backlink I either outsource to someone here on warrior and or fiverr OR I do it myself.

                If I do it myself (which is rare these days) I social bookmark and article market, and do some forum posting. I randomize my links to the 5 KWS.

                I did blot out my site and also the KWs but you can do this with any trade or service. Here is an example

                Main KW - Tiler Brisbane
                the pages would be ......
                Tiler Redlands
                Tiler Bayside
                Tiler Caboolture
                etc etc

                FYI - I also acheived this with a .org domain name, I have also found hyphens in domain name makes no difference, and also adding another word to the end of the domain name seems to have no effect eg: Brisbanetilersonline.org

                So get out there and make this happen! Its is really easy

                Emma
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      • Profile picture of the author umarwaqas789
        drives traffic to the more specific areas/other pages very well and well well worth the effort
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  • Profile picture of the author RRG
    So you're getting people to agree to a 60-month lease where they are legally bound to pay you $15,000 to $90,000?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMac
      Marcos,

      You need to come out with a WSO on this...

      John
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      • Profile picture of the author RRG
        Originally Posted by JohnMac View Post

        Marcos,

        You need to come out with a WSO on this...

        John
        Forget that.

        Assuming he wanted to share his method, a high-dollar info product and coaching program would be the way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob Montgomery
    I like the web site rental model and have been working at it for some time. I've put together a number of WP blog sites that have first page (1, 2 or 3) rankings. These are showing up mostly in smaller cities with under 100,000 population and some with under 10,000 population. However, I've been a bit disappointed with the response (phone calls by prospective clients-I do legal work so I was testing this with my own services first). My pages are in the legal arena and my intent was to get feedback or a feel for the type of response a web customer who rents my site could expect with respect to phone calls and contacts coming from the site. I thought that would make a good selling point.

    However, as stated above, I'm only getting a few sporadic phone calls from my good ranking sites. A few sporadic calls would likely not be too exciting to a prospective web customer and I doubt they would stay with the web rental too long without better results.

    So I'm wondering what type of results are realistic to expect in the form of calls or contacts from end customers with top of the page Google rankings. (I 'm sure this depends a lot on the niche and the keywords, etc.)

    In addition, I'm wondering what people are doing to make their WP pages (which, as you all know, are good for SEO and rankings but maybe not as customer friendly as other web pages) more enticing to attract the end cusomers. Without the end cutomers calling or contacting us, its hard to satisfy the web customers who rent the sites. Afterall, its results (calls and contacts from potential customers) that web rental customers are after.

    Hope I'm not rambling too much but I assume there are a lot of other people out there with similar questions.

    Any helpful comments or suggestions would be much appreciated!

    Thanks - Bob M
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    • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
      For smaller cities you have to pay more attention to the search volume. I have sites in Idaho where I only get 20 or so visitors a month. In cases like that I usually try to sell the site to someone that does not have a website or a Google Places listing, then they get instant first page. If a business buys a website that is already ranking and gets a few good leads a month they should be happy.

      Renting those same sites can be problematic.

      This is a great thread with a ton of great, actionable information.

      DTaylor

      Originally Posted by Bob Montgomery View Post

      I like the web site rental model and have been working at it for some time. I've put together a number of WP blog sites that have first page (1, 2 or 3) rankings. These are showing up mostly in smaller cities with under 100,000 population and some with under 10,000 population. However, I've been a bit disappointed with the response (phone calls by prospective clients-I do legal work so I was testing this with my own services first). My pages are in the legal arena and my intent was to get feedback or a feel for the type of response a web customer who rents my site could expect with respect to phone calls and contacts coming from the site. I thought that would make a good selling point.

      However, as stated above, I'm only getting a few sporadic phone calls from my good ranking sites. A few sporadic calls would likely not be too exciting to a prospective web customer and I doubt they would stay with the web rental too long without better results.

      So I'm wondering what type of results are realistic to expect in the form of calls or contacts from end customers with top of the page Google rankings. (I 'm sure this depends a lot on the niche and the keywords, etc.)

      In addition, I'm wondering what people are doing to make their WP pages (which, as you all know, are good for SEO and rankings but maybe not as customer friendly as other web pages) more enticing to attract the end cusomers. Without the end cutomers calling or contacting us, its hard to satisfy the web customers who rent the sites. Afterall, its results (calls and contacts from potential customers) that web rental customers are after.

      Hope I'm not rambling too much but I assume there are a lot of other people out there with similar questions.

      Any helpful comments or suggestions would be much appreciated!

      Thanks - Bob M
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by Bob Montgomery View Post

      I like the web site rental model and have been working at it for some time. I've put together a number of WP blog sites that have first page (1, 2 or 3) rankings. These are showing up mostly in smaller cities with under 100,000 population and some with under 10,000 population. However, I've been a bit disappointed with the response (phone calls by prospective clients-I do legal work so I was testing this with my own services first). My pages are in the legal arena and my intent was to get feedback or a feel for the type of response a web customer who rents my site could expect with respect to phone calls and contacts coming from the site. I thought that would make a good selling point.

      However, as stated above, I'm only getting a few sporadic phone calls from my good ranking sites. A few sporadic calls would likely not be too exciting to a prospective web customer and I doubt they would stay with the web rental too long without better results.

      So I'm wondering what type of results are realistic to expect in the form of calls or contacts from end customers with top of the page Google rankings. (I 'm sure this depends a lot on the niche and the keywords, etc.)

      In addition, I'm wondering what people are doing to make their WP pages (which, as you all know, are good for SEO and rankings but maybe not as customer friendly as other web pages) more enticing to attract the end cusomers. Without the end cutomers calling or contacting us, its hard to satisfy the web customers who rent the sites. Afterall, its results (calls and contacts from potential customers) that web rental customers are after.

      Hope I'm not rambling too much but I assume there are a lot of other people out there with similar questions.

      Any helpful comments or suggestions would be much appreciated!

      Thanks - Bob M
      I'm in the same situation and have these two concerns as well. I ave a "dentist city" domain and it is ranking #1 for that term and 1st page ranking for "dentist in city" and "city dentist" as well.

      What I did as a test to see how many people would actually call the dentist is I signed up to a forwarding number and picked a dentist that was doing adwords, but not ranking on the first page for "dentist city". I put general content on the homepage and then put an image of dentist and contact info on the site to make seem it was the actual dentist's site when ppl landed on it. I put the forwarding number on the page which when people call would forward to dentist's actual number and I could monitor to see exactly the number of calls they would get in a month.

      After a month or so the site was getting roughly 50-60 unique visitors a month from various keyword combinations, but only 5-6 calls were actually made.

      Is this good enough to now contact that actual dentist and see if he wants to rent it by showing him that the site was generating 5-6 new leads a month? If they decline I can take his info off and offer it to another dentist and see if they would be interested.

      My other question would be how do we setup the site to increase the conversions so that more people will call? I know how to get content on the page to help with SEO, but what about the time when we need to get conversions?

      Anyone have any good insights on the dentist niche or any service niche for that matter when doing this rental model to get higher conversions of ppl calling when coming thru the website?
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      One of my customers, a mortgage broker, got 3 phone calls and 2 emails from my website the first month. One of those 3 ended up taking out a mortgage. My customer made $10,200. I charged $500.

      Usually, his company makes between $2,000 and $7,000, $4,000 on average, so I lucked out that the first deal was $10,200. However, even if I had gotten him a low end deal, there would have been value to him.

      The keywords he uses, according to Google, cost, on average between $5.95 to $10.50 a pop. His site converts a bit below 1%. He needs 110-115 unique visitors to make a sale. He'd need more than $500 with adwords to make a sale.

      My point is: what are the results you deliver and what are their other options? (Sometimes, usually, it's not just about money. In a business I used to run till 2009, I had clients who were willing to pay full price but annoyed the hell out of me or, in one way or another, took more resources than the full price entitled them. At the same time, I had clients who wanted often a 10% discount, but were easy to work with.

      I ended up firing some of my full-price clients.)

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      Originally Posted by Bob Montgomery View Post

      I like the web site rental model and have been working at it for some time. I've put together a number of WP blog sites that have first page (1, 2 or 3) rankings. These are showing up mostly in smaller cities with under 100,000 population and some with under 10,000 population. However, I've been a bit disappointed with the response (phone calls by prospective clients-I do legal work so I was testing this with my own services first). My pages are in the legal arena and my intent was to get feedback or a feel for the type of response a web customer who rents my site could expect with respect to phone calls and contacts coming from the site. I thought that would make a good selling point.

      However, as stated above, I'm only getting a few sporadic phone calls from my good ranking sites. A few sporadic calls would likely not be too exciting to a prospective web customer and I doubt they would stay with the web rental too long without better results.

      So I'm wondering what type of results are realistic to expect in the form of calls or contacts from end customers with top of the page Google rankings. (I 'm sure this depends a lot on the niche and the keywords, etc.)

      In addition, I'm wondering what people are doing to make their WP pages (which, as you all know, are good for SEO and rankings but maybe not as customer friendly as other web pages) more enticing to attract the end cusomers. Without the end cutomers calling or contacting us, its hard to satisfy the web customers who rent the sites. Afterall, its results (calls and contacts from potential customers) that web rental customers are after.

      Hope I'm not rambling too much but I assume there are a lot of other people out there with similar questions.

      Any helpful comments or suggestions would be much appreciated!

      Thanks - Bob M
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      • Profile picture of the author Ardoris
        How do you know...

        got 3 phone calls and 2 emails from my website the first month. One of those 3 ended up taking out a mortgage.

        You are just taking their word for it or do you have any tracking?

        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        One of my customers, a mortgage broker, got 3 phone calls and 2 emails from my website the first month. One of those 3 ended up taking out a mortgage. My customer made $10,200. I charged $500.

        Usually, his company makes between $2,000 and $7,000, $4,000 on average, so I lucked out that the first deal was $10,200. However, even if I had gotten him a low end deal, there would have been value to him.

        The keywords he uses, according to Google, cost, on average between $5.95 to $10.50 a pop. His site converts a bit below 1%. He needs 110-115 unique visitors to make a sale. He'd need more than $500 with adwords to make a sale.

        My point is: what are the results you deliver and what are their other options? (Sometimes, usually, it's not just about money. In a business I used to run till 2009, I had clients who were willing to pay full price but annoyed the hell out of me or, in one way or another, took more resources than the full price entitled them. At the same time, I had clients who wanted often a 10% discount, but were easy to work with.

        I ended up firing some of my full-price clients.)

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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          I did not track the phone calls. I took their word for it. The emails were sent from a form on the site that sends me a copy.

          Originally Posted by Ardoris View Post

          How do you know...

          got 3 phone calls and 2 emails from my website the first month. One of those 3 ended up taking out a mortgage.

          You are just taking their word for it or do you have any tracking?
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          • Profile picture of the author TheCG
            But if you wanted to track calls you could just buy a number or use Google Voice and forward to their number, correct?


            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

            I did not track the phone calls. I took their word for it. The emails were sent from a form on the site that sends me a copy.
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              Yes, I could have gotten a phone number I was in charge of. But I did not have reason to doubt.

              In another case, I did not believe. The client complained that nobody contacted him. Turned out, his people did not track where they were getting calls from, if the emails came from the form on the site.



              Originally Posted by TheCG View Post

              But if you wanted to track calls you could just buy a number or use Google Voice and forward to their number, correct?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    Bob,

    A few phone calls a month could be just fine depending on the business. It's always about the ROI. If they only get a few phone calls but each phone call is potentially worth thousands of dollars of income it would be worth it.

    I have a client that is paying me $200 a month. Only gets 1 to 2 calls a month. But each phone call is worth $20,000+. Even if he only got one new customer in a year he is getting a 10 to 1 ROI.

    By the way he is stoked with those numbers. He was running a 1/4 page ad in the classified ad paper and had not received a call in a year and a half. The first month the site was up he received 3 phone calls.
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    • Profile picture of the author RRG
      Originally Posted by mrmatt View Post

      Bob,

      A few phone calls a month could be just fine depending on the business. It's always about the ROI. If they only get a few phone calls but each phone call is potentially worth thousands of dollars of income it would be worth it.

      I have a client that is paying me $200 a month. Only gets 1 to 2 calls a month. But each phone call is worth $20,000+. Even if he only got one new customer in a year he is getting a 10 to 1 ROI.

      By the way he is stoked with those numbers. He was running a 1/4 page ad in the classified ad paper and had not received a call in a year and a half. The first month the site was up he received 3 phone calls.
      Amen, Matt.

      It's always about ROI.

      That's why it makes sense not to have set prices. Instead of being a salesman, be a consultant. How can you help them invest in marketing that returns a profit?
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      • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
        No I have no intentions of doing a WSO on how I rent/lead-gen my sites, nor do I plan on doing a coaching plan. If I follow my usual trend, I'll probably hang out here for a few weeks and then get busy and forget to come back for a few months.

        As far as whether it works for month-to-month or long term contracts. You have to realize YOU are the leader here. YOU set the price. YOU set the terms. YOU set the value. I'm open to the idea that I could possibly be precluding some people from signing who would be inclined to sign a shorter term deal.

        But the way I price my deals is that they are getting at a minimum 10x the ROI from what I'm charging. Let me ask you, if I could charge you $100 and give you back $1,000 how long would you like to do that? Do you want to do that one month, or would you like me to do it for you every month for the next five years? I think many people here don't really know how to actually provide ROI to people. I'm not talking about getting to #1. But I'm talking about feet in the door and phones ringing, and checks written ROI. When you CAN deliver that, not a hope and a prayer that I put a site on page 1 and I hope it pays off for you, the conversation is very different.

        Let me be clear as well, I don't "rent websites". I license web marketing systems. This is important, let me say it again. I don't "rent websites". I license web marketing systems. When you license a proven system of money making, you can charge much more than someone going in and saying I have this website it's pretty and it's on the first page of google and I think it will be good for you. It's a totally different conversation you're having.

        I think a lot of pricing has to do with mindset(and I believe this issue is a pricing/value issue). I've gone round and round with John Durham about his low prices. If you BELIEVE you can only sign clients month-to-month that's all in your head, not mine. If you BELIEVE you can only sell a website for $400 that's in YOUR head. When someone sees my marketing system I only offer it on a five year basis. It's not like they have much choice. If I've proven my value, and I have overwhelming proof that I do it's a no brainer.

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        • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
          Rande,
          Thanks for sharing such valuable information.

          Do you use Wordpress or html sites? I'm assuming html but just wondering.

          Thanks,
          DTaylor
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        • Profile picture of the author DABK
          I have to agree. I've found out I can get whatever I ask for as long as I can say it with a straight face, with confidence.

          I got into helping offline businesses 11 months ago. For my first client (an seo job), I was advised (another forum) to charge at least $500 and nobody thought I could get more than $700.

          I charged $$2,569. I did it because they were buying ads in local papers and getting nothing. Because their website was 3.5 years old and had produced them nothing. I told them that not only will I get them visitors but some of those visitors will buy (but I'd have to make changes to his site).

          I also told him, I'll give him all his money back, no questions asked, if after 4 months he's not happy with the results. But, if he does, I'll restore his old site.

          I was very sure I could get him enough clients.

          At the time he hired me, he was getting 20 new clients a month. Turns out, the site as changed and seo'd by me, gets him 3-4 new clients a month.

          Also, it turns out, he's not happy with 3-4 new client a month. He keeps complaining about how come he doesn't get 20.

          And I point out to him that with his current set up, he's at capacity with what he gets. If he got more, right now, he'd provide such lousy service, his reputation will be ruined, he'll be out of business.

          And, I'm charging 4-5 times more than the people who advised me and getting it, just because I asked for it with confidence. And I asked with confidence because I knew what I could do and what that would mean to the prospect.


          Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

          No I have no intentions of doing a WSO on how I rent/lead-gen my sites, nor do I plan on doing a coaching plan. If I follow my usual trend, I'll probably hang out here for a few weeks and then get busy and forget to come back for a few months.

          As far as whether it works for month-to-month or long term contracts. You have to realize YOU are the leader here. YOU set the price. YOU set the terms. YOU set the value. I'm open to the idea that I could possibly be precluding some people from signing who would be inclined to sign a shorter term deal.

          But the way I price my deals is that they are getting at a minimum 10x the ROI from what I'm charging. Let me ask you, if I could charge you $100 and give you back $1,000 how long would you like to do that? Do you want to do that one month, or would you like me to do it for you every month for the next five years? I think many people here don't really know how to actually provide ROI to people. I'm not talking about getting to #1. But I'm talking about feet in the door and phones ringing, and checks written ROI. When you CAN deliver that, not a hope and a prayer that I put a site on page 1 and I hope it pays off for you, the conversation is very different.

          Let me be clear as well, I don't "rent websites". I license web marketing systems. This is important, let me say it again. I don't "rent websites". I license web marketing systems. When you license a proven system of money making, you can charge much more than someone going in and saying I have this website it's pretty and it's on the first page of google and I think it will be good for you. It's a totally different conversation you're having.

          I think a lot of pricing has to do with mindset(and I believe this issue is a pricing/value issue). I've gone round and round with John Durham about his low prices. If you BELIEVE you can only sign clients month-to-month that's all in your head, not mine. If you BELIEVE you can only sell a website for $400 that's in YOUR head. When someone sees my marketing system I only offer it on a five year basis. It's not like they have much choice. If I've proven my value, and I have overwhelming proof that I do it's a no brainer.

          Marcos
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          • Profile picture of the author golf69
            I'd like to chime in and say that Rande really knows her stuff...she was also nice enough to give me some advice on skype how to rent one of my websites...and her advice helped me land the deal. This stuff works...
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          • Profile picture of the author ivanela33
            Originally Posted by DABK View Post

            I have to agree. I've found out I can get whatever I ask for as long as I can say it with a straight face, with confidence.

            I got into helping offline businesses 11 months ago. For my first client (an seo job), I was advised (another forum) to charge at least $500 and nobody thought I could get more than $700.

            I charged $$2,569. I did it because they were buying ads in local papers and getting nothing. Because their website was 3.5 years old and had produced them nothing. I told them that not only will I get them visitors but some of those visitors will buy (but I'd have to make changes to his site).

            I also told him, I'll give him all his money back, no questions asked, if after 4 months he's not happy with the results. But, if he does, I'll restore his old site.

            I was very sure I could get him enough clients.

            At the time he hired me, he was getting 20 new clients a month. Turns out, the site as changed and seo'd by me, gets him 3-4 new clients a month.

            Also, it turns out, he's not happy with 3-4 new client a month. He keeps complaining about how come he doesn't get 20.

            And I point out to him that with his current set up, he's at capacity with what he gets. If he got more, right now, he'd provide such lousy service, his reputation will be ruined, he'll be out of business.

            And, I'm charging 4-5 times more than the people who advised me and getting it, just because I asked for it with confidence. And I asked with confidence because I knew what I could do and what that would mean to the prospect.
            Am I understanding you correctly? You're telling the business owner that it's okay to get less clients than before because according to you, his business will suffer if he gets more than 4 to 5 new clients per month? If this is how I'm perceiving it, you'll probably going to have a hard time keeping this client for the long term
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              No. He used to have 20 new clients. Now he has the 20 he used to do on his own + the ones that come from his site. So he's ahead significantly, 20-25% more business.

              However, he did ask me how come he's not getting 20 new clients off the internet, so he'd have 40 altogether. And that he cannot handle. He's a capacity with 24-25. And, according to him, it takes 1 year to get someone new fully trained.

              I told him to start training. As of yet, he's not hired anyone new. Would like to have double the business without making any changes to it. So, he's dreaming. Didn't tell him that. He knows it.

              I could double his business, there's room for that. But he'd have to do things he's said he doesn't want to.

              So, the short of it, I pointed out to him that if he gets more than he gets now he has to be ready.

              A
              Originally Posted by ivanela33 View Post

              Am I understanding you correctly? You're telling the business owner that it's okay to get less clients than before because according to you, his business will suffer if he gets more than 4 to 5 new clients per month? If this is how I'm perceiving it, you'll probably going to have a hard time keeping this client for the long term
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        • Profile picture of the author deckman
          Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

          No I have no intentions of doing a WSO on how I rent/lead-gen my sites, nor do I plan on doing a coaching plan. If I follow my usual trend, I'll probably hang out here for a few weeks and then get busy and forget to come back for a few months.

          As far as whether it works for month-to-month or long term contracts. You have to realize YOU are the leader here. YOU set the price. YOU set the terms. YOU set the value. I'm open to the idea that I could possibly be precluding some people from signing who would be inclined to sign a shorter term deal.

          But the way I price my deals is that they are getting at a minimum 10x the ROI from what I'm charging. Let me ask you, if I could charge you $100 and give you back $1,000 how long would you like to do that? Do you want to do that one month, or would you like me to do it for you every month for the next five years? I think many people here don't really know how to actually provide ROI to people. I'm not talking about getting to #1. But I'm talking about feet in the door and phones ringing, and checks written ROI. When you CAN deliver that, not a hope and a prayer that I put a site on page 1 and I hope it pays off for you, the conversation is very different.

          Let me be clear as well, I don't "rent websites". I license web marketing systems. This is important, let me say it again. I don't "rent websites". I license web marketing systems. When you license a proven system of money making, you can charge much more than someone going in and saying I have this website it's pretty and it's on the first page of google and I think it will be good for you. It's a totally different conversation you're having.

          I think a lot of pricing has to do with mindset(and I believe this issue is a pricing/value issue). I've gone round and round with John Durham about his low prices. If you BELIEVE you can only sign clients month-to-month that's all in your head, not mine. If you BELIEVE you can only sell a website for $400 that's in YOUR head. When someone sees my marketing system I only offer it on a five year basis. It's not like they have much choice. If I've proven my value, and I have overwhelming proof that I do it's a no brainer.

          Marcos
          Marcos,

          i just wanted to drop in here and thank you for this post. I am being tutored by a great warrior found here on WF regarding lead gen sites. I actually have a couple up and working them to the point that I can either rent/lease or sell the leads. I am really liking your way of working this.

          Dont be calling me a stalker or anything like that but i may be following you around here and reading your post my friend. Good S*** here! Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author ezbiz
    Very good post here. I've been in advertising for many years and I can say that you are taking a correct approach. For those prospects that don't seem to chatty as you mentioned, a way around that is to ask a few questions that gets them talking about their business and when they start talking/bragging, just let em keep talking and don't interrupt. Once a business owners opens up to you talking about their business you get on their good side.
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  • Profile picture of the author dberry
    Hello Rande, Great post!! I am just getting into local marketing and although my main focus was not to rent sites, I did buy dr. dans wso last week so this is another path I may take. My question is would you (or any other warriors here) mind putting up a link to one of your sites?

    I would love to see some real life examples not just samples in a wso.

    Thanks in advance.
    Dwayne
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  • Profile picture of the author Sky Writer
    Marcos,

    I am starting to make website investments with my Roth IRA.

    Do you have any tips about agreements that work within the Roth rules and working with your custodian?

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author the lord
    so making money on the website not only from adsense or affiliate product sales, but they can in a way that you use also.

    imagine if you have 3 websites in that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author link82
    Super interesting post. As someone about to set off into offline marketing, this is supremely helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoro
    Hi Rande,
    Thanks for sharing your info with us.
    A couple of questions:
    a) Do you use Wordpress for this?
    b) Are you using any special custom SEO plugin to rank the other pages?
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    Thank you, Marcos! I've got more questions :-)

    Do you link those sites in Bellevue, Tacoma to the main Seattle site or between each other? Do you even build a site for Seattle?

    Are those niches related or whatever brings easier and more money? And do you get domains for all of those 200 sites?

    Thomas
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    • Profile picture of the author Dhira
      Originally Posted by Bob Montgomery View Post

      I like the web site rental model and have been working at it for some time. I've put together a number of WP blog sites that have first page (1, 2 or 3) rankings. These are showing up mostly in smaller cities with under 100,000 population and some with under 10,000 population. However, I've been a bit disappointed with the response (phone calls by prospective clients-I do legal work so I was testing this with my own services first). My pages are in the legal arena and my intent was to get feedback or a feel for the type of response a web customer who rents my site could expect with respect to phone calls and contacts coming from the site. I thought that would make a good selling point.

      However, as stated above, I'm only getting a few sporadic phone calls from my good ranking sites. A few sporadic calls would likely not be too exciting to a prospective web customer and I doubt they would stay with the web rental too long without better results.

      - Bob M
      That is the thousand dollar question lol...

      Originally Posted by dtaylor View Post

      For smaller cities you have to pay more attention to the search volume. I have sites in Idaho where I only get 20 or so visitors a month. In cases like that I usually try to sell the site to someone that does not have a website or a Google Places listing, then they get instant first page. If a business buys a website that is already ranking and gets a few good leads a month they should be happy.

      Renting those same sites can be problematic.

      This is a great thread with a ton of great, actionable information.

      DTaylor
      I'm starting to think selling as opposed to renting might be better especially in these cases.... UNLESS it's a client who has never had a website at all.
      Originally Posted by mrmatt View Post

      Bob,

      A few phone calls a month could be just fine depending on the business. It's always about the ROI. If they only get a few phone calls but each phone call is potentially worth thousands of dollars of income it would be worth it.

      I have a client that is paying me $200 a month. Only gets 1 to 2 calls a month. But each phone call is worth $20,000+. Even if he only got one new customer in a year he is getting a 10 to 1 ROI.

      By the way he is stoked with those numbers. He was running a 1/4 page ad in the classified ad paper and had not received a call in a year and a half. The first month the site was up he received 3 phone calls.
      How may I ask, did you find this client - did he already have a site beforeyou contacted him?
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
    Wow, I just finished moving house and got my internet switched on - thank god I could get emails on my mobile!!!

    I see there are a number of questions and I will do my best to answer them.

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  • Profile picture of the author danielkanuck
    Hey Rande, these are some solid strategies, and are things that i currently use in my business. Thanks for the post. Good tips and reinforcements even for experts.
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    • Profile picture of the author imarketingfanatic
      I understand that this is a very lucrative system.

      But i would like to know how long does it take to actually get the customer to pay you for the rental?

      I have a few sites that im working on but i know the task of getting the customer is where the money is made...
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by imarketingfanatic View Post

        I understand that this is a very lucrative system.

        But i would like to know how long does it take to actually get the customer to pay you for the rental?

        I have a few sites that im working on but i know the task of getting the customer is where the money is made...

        If you are strapped for cash you could market this right now for a lower monthly return then continue to backlink and improve the search engine rankings then advise of a price rise, if your client is getting calls they will stay as long as you charge them a reasonable rate and they can make money from the leads.

        I usually wait 1-3 months when my rankings are HOT it usually takes no more than 5 calls to make a sale

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        • Profile picture of the author breathclean
          Rande,
          thanks for sharing. I suppose my issue is i originally wanted to rank them in 4-6 weeks which i don't think is impossible, but is nothing you can count on happening. i am also trying to rank them for 4-6 different keywords so the traffic is up there. i am on the front page for them and climbing, but i am 2-3 months in on the sites. i imagine they will push past places for multiple keywords in the next 3-4 weeks. my fear is always throwing too many links at them to begin with. also i fear focusing on one keyword based on insufficient keyword data will result in no traffic. so i go slow and vary my anchor text. i think it will payoff in the long run but i am growing eager/desperate.
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          • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
            Originally Posted by breathclean View Post

            Rande,
            thanks for sharing. I suppose my issue is i originally wanted to rank them in 4-6 weeks which i don't think is impossible, but is nothing you can count on happening. i am also trying to rank them for 4-6 different keywords so the traffic is up there. i am on the front page for them and climbing, but i am 2-3 months in on the sites. i imagine they will push past places for multiple keywords in the next 3-4 weeks. my fear is always throwing too many links at them to begin with. also i fear focusing on one keyword based on insufficient keyword data will result in no traffic. so i go slow and vary my anchor text. i think it will payoff in the long run but i am growing eager/desperate.
            I target 5 keywords for 1 page and always diversify my links. I dont worry too much about how many links I create at first because they usually get indexed at different times.

            But..... keep a diary of exactly what you are doing so that you can be sure what actions result in what outcome. If it was a good outcome rinse and repeat if not find out why
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            • Profile picture of the author Jordan J Caron
              Very nice strategy Rande and Marcos. I have been looking at selling SEO services to targeted professionals but this almost seems like a better strategy. This way you are saying "Hey, the site I want to rent you is ranked #3 on google where as yours is #30."

              This seems much easier to sell to clients as you have already proven that they'll be at our near the top based on the site you are renting out to them.
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              • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
                Yes indeed it is an easy sell..... that's because the OFFER is soooooo good and risk free (results already made) so you instantly remove those barriers.

                I also sell SEO services - this too is lucrative. I sell directly to business and also to some web designers so they on sell too

                Originally Posted by Golf Instruction Guy View Post

                Very nice strategy Rande and Marcos. I have been looking at selling SEO services to targeted professionals but this almost seems like a better strategy. This way you are saying "Hey, the site I want to rent you is ranked #3 on google where as yours is #30."

                This seems much easier to sell to clients as you have already proven that they'll be at our near the top based on the site you are renting out to them.
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            • Profile picture of the author AussieT
              Originally Posted by Rande View Post

              I target 5 keywords for 1 page and always diversify my links. I dont worry too much about how many links I create at first because they usually get indexed at different times.

              But..... keep a diary of exactly what you are doing so that you can be sure what actions result in what outcome. If it was a good outcome rinse and repeat if not find out why

              Emma when you say you target 5 keywords dor one page do you mean you target
              keyword1 + town1
              keyword1 + town2
              keyword1 + town3
              keyword1 + town4
              keyword1 + town5

              or
              keyword1 + town1
              keyword2 + town1
              keyword3 + town1
              keyword4 + town1
              keyword5 + town1

              Thanks

              Tom
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              • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
                Originally Posted by AussieT View Post

                Emma when you say you target 5 keywords dor one page do you mean you target
                keyword1 + town1
                keyword1 + town2
                keyword1 + town3
                keyword1 + town4
                keyword1 + town5

                or
                keyword1 + town1
                keyword2 + town1
                keyword3 + town1
                keyword4 + town1
                keyword5 + town1

                Thanks

                Tom

                Ok, I do have a couple of different ways - it does depend on the niche that I target but the way I have described here is I target TRADE KW + BIG TOWN NAME then on that same page I break it town into suburbs in that larger town or city to make it more specific so then that page then has

                TRADE KW + BIG TOWN NAME
                TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA
                TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA
                TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA
                TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA

                Does that help?

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                • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
                  Originally Posted by Rande View Post

                  Ok, I do have a couple of different ways - it does depend on the niche that I target but the way I have described here is I target TRADE KW + BIG TOWN NAME then on that same page I break it town into suburbs in that larger town or city to make it more specific so then that page then has

                  TRADE KW + BIG TOWN NAME
                  TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA
                  TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA
                  TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA
                  TRADE KW + SMALLER MORE SPECIFIC AREA

                  Does that help?

                  Emma
                  I think what the person meant was when you setup an internal with a suburb of the main city so for example the internal page is targeting "dentist fort worth" do you then try to rank that page for 5 keywords like "dentist fort worth, dentist in fort worth, fort worth dentist, dentists fort worth, dentists in forth
                  worth"?

                  Or do you just focus on the 5 main keywords that is a page for each city so "dentist big city" then internal pages "dentist small city1, dentist small city2,....dentist small city4" and just SEO each page for just its main 1 keyword?
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                • Profile picture of the author stephen620924
                  Hi Emma!
                  I sent u a PM - did u get it?
                  regards
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                  • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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                    Emma....how are you "collecting" your Monthly Fees from your "renters"?

                    Thanks,
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                    • Profile picture of the author somacorellc
                      I can't speak for Emma, but I collect all my payments through Freshbooks invoicing. Very convenient and easy.

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                      Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

                      Emma....how are you "collecting" your Monthly Fees from your "renters"?

                      Thanks,
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                    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
                      Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

                      Emma....how are you "collecting" your Monthly Fees from your "renters"?

                      Thanks,
                      Don Alm
                      Hey Don,

                      I use MYOB online - super easy very similar to freshbooks. You can also give your bookkeeper log in authority do keep your books up to date

                      I set up an email just for my receipts - I scan them then email to that email so I have a 3 copies of all receipts.

                      There is one that I used and is very good and best of all FREE - wave accounting - it is something I highly recommend when starting out

                      Wave Accounting - totally free accounting

                      Enjoy

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                      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
                        Originally Posted by usfemail View Post

                        I sent you a pm
                        Originally Posted by stephen620924 View Post

                        Hi Emma!
                        I sent u a PM - did u get it?
                        regards
                        Stephen
                        I apologise for not being able to reply - I have been busy with clients I have a few pms that I need to get to, I promise I will reply to each of you, it will probably be latter on today or maybe early in the morning tomorrow.

                        Thank you so so so very much

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                • Profile picture of the author Blindbiz
                  We do it the same way using videos, articles and web pages on the site. There has to be an easier way!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by imarketingfanatic View Post

        I understand that this is a very lucrative system.

        But i would like to know how long does it take to actually get the customer to pay you for the rental?

        I have a few sites that im working on but i know the task of getting the customer is where the money is made...
        I get paid before I even have the site started most of the time.

        Step 1: set up 1-2 sites in the niche you want to target

        Step 2: get it ranking all over the place

        Step 3: Take screenshots of the rankings and use that to get clients in every single city.

        After having 1 or 2 sites that rank in that niche, I just use those as samples of what I can do for them in the city they want to dominate.

        Now I get paid to set up the sites by just copy and pasting.

        Also I will only offer them 2-3 options to pay at most.

        Option 1 prepay for 12 months
        Option 2 prepay 6 months
        Option 3 month to month

        I usually offer them either 1 month free or a discount if they prepay. But no matter what I set it up in paypal for them to get charged monthly after they prepay is up. Never get into the collecting payments business. Invoicing sucks!

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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by Dr Dan View Post

          I get paid before I even have the site started most of the time.

          Step 1: set up 1-2 sites in the niche you want to target

          Step 2: get it ranking all over the place

          Step 3: Take screenshots of the rankings and use that to get clients in every single city.

          After having 1 or 2 sites that rank in that niche, I just use those as samples of what I can do for them in the city they want to dominate.

          Now I get paid to set up the sites by just copy and pasting.

          Also I will only offer them 2-3 options to pay at most.

          Option 1 prepay for 12 months
          Option 2 prepay 6 months
          Option 3 month to month

          I usually offer them either 1 month free or a discount if they prepay. But no matter what I set it up in paypal for them to get charged monthly after they prepay is up. Never get into the collecting payments business. Invoicing sucks!

          Hey,

          Def PREPAY ALL THE WAY paypal is great to set up reoccurring payments, they send reminders when payments are missed as to alert you when clients are falling behind.

          I also find that it is not uncommon for a customer to what to outright buy the website, so remember to put a price on that. The thing to remember is this is the opportunity to earn passive income so dont under estimate that, don't be afraid to put a BIG price tag on it

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          • Profile picture of the author sjohn
            Hi Emma,
            Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge in this area of marketing and congratulation on your success in doing so.
            Like many of us reading through this thread, I would also like to see an example of the layout that you use on your sites. Also the way you lay it out to maximise conversions.
            Thanks
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    SEO services will help in a big way in promoting websites, right? But, sometimes they are regarded as spam. How can it be prevented?
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Originally Posted by Rande View Post

    Hiya Offline Warrior

    I just started renting out web space and it as been no problem at all. My site as ranked very well top 3 positions for the keywords I target. I pick business to call 3 ways

    1) On page 3 or worse on google
    2) Advertising on adwords but not organically
    3) Advertising in yellow pages (big glossy ads) but websites not ranking organically in first 2 pages

    The second 2 are usually very interested because they are already spending money. Me and my husband have tried scripts but what seems to work best is a natural conversation, but you keep the control by asking leading questions. Also business owners love talking about themselves or rather their business and how to get more customers, so that is always the main focus! You must emphasis THEIR business and WIIFM (what in it for me)

    If the business owner does not seem chatty then send them and email and/or a letter. Screen shot your ranking vs screen shot their current ranking and add a catchy headline "Need more customers? Call me to skyrocket your sales - no risk!" Then email or post or both. I always put on their that I will call them on a particular day and I do it!


    Another point is lead capture..... if they are not interested now then at least get them on your list so you can continue to market to them. Create a product to give away in exchange for their email. It does not need to be anything too flash but it must focus on their business and the internet. Include some facts and figures then some tips. You want it to sound like you know what you are talking about here and position yourself as an authority in all things IM. What I have done is set up a squeeze page specifically for this with just an opt in form and a title ... from memory its something like "Claim your FREE ebook 27 Internet Marketing Must Haves For Your Business" Then I just send them the link to that page in my email.

    I hope this helps some warriors. I KNOW this works, this is exactly what I do and it works a treat!

    Emma
    Are you monitoring the leads that the clients are getting when they rent the page? Are they getting calls from those that land on that page? Is there something you do with your WordPress setup and the content that put there with the clients info that makes people call the client more often?
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      Are you monitoring the leads that the clients are getting when they rent the page? Are they getting calls from those that land on that page? Is there something you do with your WordPress setup and the content that put there with the clients info that makes people call the client more often?
      Hey!

      No once its rented I don't monitor the calls that they get - I do suggest that the business put an opt in form on their page (well I add it for them) that says " enter your phone number and I will call you back within x hours BUT the business must have access to their email on a regular basis.... in these times of iphones etc most business owners do, and of course depends on the niche, some niches customers urgently need something and others are just gathering need quotes etc
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by Rande View Post

        Hey!

        No once its rented I don't monitor the calls that they get - I do suggest that the business put an opt in form on their page (well I add it for them) that says " enter your phone number and I will call you back within x hours BUT the business must have access to their email on a regular basis.... in these times of iphones etc most business owners do, and of course depends on the niche, some niches customers urgently need something and others are just gathering need quotes etc
        Did you monitor the leads before renting to see if the site actually gets conversions before renting it out? Its all good to rank high and get some decent traffic like 75 visitors a month to the site, but if the people don't call or email to inquire then the client will see no return on their rental.

        Is there anything else you do that would help with the client getting more leads? Did you in any way test how the site would convert before renting?
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          Did you monitor the leads before renting to see if the site actually gets conversions before renting it out? Its all good to rank high and get some decent traffic like 75 visitors a month to the site, but if the people don't call or email to inquire then the client will see no return on their rental.

          Is there anything else you do that would help with the client getting more leads? Did you in any way test how the site would convert before renting?

          I have Google analytics installed to see what type of traffic the pages/site is getting - this is definalty in my pitch to the client - "The site is getting x hits every week, if you can convert 1 of thoes clients then what would that mean for your business?"

          You need to put it to the business owner that they are missing out on this business (which they truly are) and then you need to help they justify the payment ..... help them with the math of it, make it an unbelievable deal foer them that offers sooooo much value. Eg: If you can convert 1 new customer per week how much on average would that bring into your business? I know from experience my husband is a tiler, each job he does is $1000 - $3000 so if he could convert 1 new customer per week from my website then that could mean $4000 - $12000 EXTRA revenue per month, all from this $100 renter and if he wants to expand and take over all the pages for all the areas then maybe rent them for $400 total
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          • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
            Originally Posted by Rande View Post

            I have Google analytics installed to see what type of traffic the pages/site is getting - this is definalty in my pitch to the client - "The site is getting x hits every week, if you can convert 1 of thoes clients then what would that mean for your business?"

            You need to put it to the business owner that they are missing out on this business (which they truly are) and then you need to help they justify the payment ..... help them with the math of it, make it an unbelievable deal foer them that offers sooooo much value. Eg: If you can convert 1 new customer per week how much on average would that bring into your business? I know from experience my husband is a tiler, each job he does is $1000 - $3000 so if he could convert 1 new customer per week from my website then that could mean $4000 - $12000 EXTRA revenue per month, all from this $100 renter and if he wants to expand and take over all the pages for all the areas then maybe rent them for $400 total
            Thanks that clears it up for me.

            My next question would be is OK you can let the client know about the potential if they convert 1 a week so then do you setup the site in a way to get those conversions? How do you make sure that say 10 visits to the page will convert like 1-2? Do you optimize or setup the page in a way to increase a call for action by the visitor? Do you just have general content regarding the niche using the city name as well and have the client's picture and contact info only or do you do more in a way to increase the call for action?
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            • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
              Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

              Thanks that clears it up for me.

              My next question would be is OK you can let the client know about the potential if they convert 1 a week so then do you setup the site in a way to get those conversions? How do you make sure that say 10 visits to the page will convert like 1-2? Do you optimize or setup the page in a way to increase a call for action by the visitor? Do you just have general content regarding the niche using the city name as well and have the client's picture and contact info only or do you do more in a way to increase the call for action?
              As a business owner they will know what their conversions are like - they understand some customers are browsing for a quote and other need things done yesterday!

              Call to action is the entire purpose of the website (if you ask me) It has to scream the call to action AND there should be a great offer or unique selling position or something awesome to make the customer pick up the phone. Its the same challenge for any website really

              Now..... have you made a website yet? I think I have given you enough info to go and make one now and then land a client .... If you need help come back to the thread and I will help you along. But don't get stuck in this stage.... go and do some KW research and build a website!!!!!!
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              • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
                Originally Posted by Rande View Post

                As a business owner they will know what their conversions are like - they understand some customers are browsing for a quote and other need things done yesterday!

                Call to action is the entire purpose of the website (if you ask me) It has to scream the call to action AND there should be a great offer or unique selling position or something awesome to make the customer pick up the phone. Its the same challenge for any website really

                Now..... have you made a website yet? I think I have given you enough info to go and make one now and then land a client .... If you need help come back to the thread and I will help you along. But don't get stuck in this stage.... go and do some KW research and build a website!!!!!!
                I do have a website and ranking #1 for "dentist city" and on first page (after the merged listings) for "city dentist" and "dentist in city". Based on Google Keyword Tool those 3 keywords combine for 700 searches a month (exact match). The site has been getting around 50-60 unique visitors a month from a variety of keywords.

                I setup a forwarding number on that site and used the contact info of a dentist that was on page 3, but doing Adwords. I did this at first without contacting the dentist to see how many leads that dentist could actually get from rental on the site for my own knowledge. So far it's been up and down each month but anywhere from 3-5 calls a month is generated when I check my forwarding number details.

                The site has header on top with the denitst name on one side and his contact info on the other side. Below that is a picture rotater that rotates the images from his office and next to that a image of model smiling with the dentist's phone number and call now text above it. Next section under that is general info on "city dentist" where I wrote for SEO purposes and I have a picture of the dentist embedded in the content. To the right of this is a contact us form that if people fill out comes to me.

                So based on your experience what sort of call to action message needs to be there to increase the calls? Maybe advertise FREE EXAM to new patients, free teeth cleaning with first visit, etc.? But then I would first have to get the dentist on board and renting since I can't put that info there and they don't offer that promo. On his Adwords ad he has special price of "$XX for exam and xrays for new patients". You think that might work as well if I have that same type of info there on the site?
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    Emma, this inspiring to me! Your twist on the local rental model is something I really have to look in to.
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    Hi Emma,

    I had mentioned in an earlier post how inspiring this is to me, and I will re-read everything to see how to best incorporate the way you do things. I know you can only divulge so much information though, so as not to spoil things for your system. I would love to see an example, even if you could pm me a sample of something that looks "similar" to what you are doing site-wise - it doesn't have to be yours.

    The reason it inspires me though, is that several of us warriors (about 50) bought into a local site method wso earlier this year. We backlinked our little hearts out, got most of the sites on page one - most in the top three for the keywords too. But the system was completely dependent on the wso poster's "team" to get the sites main ad block sold, and/or sites rented. It all made perfect sense originally, and we all thought for sure it would work, but not one site got rented. No one made a dime. We all just lost a lot of money.

    I think having no control over the actual site rental process is where it fell apart - and was the most frustrating. We are about to have all the domains ownership handed to us to do with what we will. That means I will have some first page sites to work with out of the gate, so I'm just trying to decide how best to go about monetizing them. I was originally thinking more directory-type, but your method seems more intriguing.

    I will have to read through again to make sure I understand better, but if I were to use Driving Schools Albuquerque as an example, I don't quite understand which business would get the home page, page one, two, etc. In other words, how the site would get structured so that clients would actually "want" to be on the site. Forgive me if I'm overlooking something simple - or as is often the case with me, over-thinking it ;-)

    -Michael
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    • Profile picture of the author gabluesky
      Hi Emma,

      What kind of content do you put on each page to get them ranked before you have a renter? Do you write a unique article for each KW + city? Thanks for your great post and continued help.
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      • Profile picture of the author alanjai
        Hi Emma.
        As the previous poster above who said we bought into a WSO...about 50 of us....I am also one of those 50...am I correct in that you said you only target Tradies....Plumbers, Dentists, etc.

        Great thread by the way...well done.

        Alan.
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by Michael Hackett View Post

          Hi Emma,

          I had mentioned in an earlier post how inspiring this is to me, and I will re-read everything to see how to best incorporate the way you do things. I know you can only divulge so much information though, so as not to spoil things for your system. I would love to see an example, even if you could pm me a sample of something that looks "similar" to what you are doing site-wise - it doesn't have to be yours.

          The reason it inspires me though, is that several of us warriors (about 50) bought into a local site method wso earlier this year. We backlinked our little hearts out, got most of the sites on page one - most in the top three for the keywords too. But the system was completely dependent on the wso poster's "team" to get the sites main ad block sold, and/or sites rented. It all made perfect sense originally, and we all thought for sure it would work, but not one site got rented. No one made a dime. We all just lost a lot of money.

          I think having no control over the actual site rental process is where it fell apart - and was the most frustrating. We are about to have all the domains ownership handed to us to do with what we will. That means I will have some first page sites to work with out of the gate, so I'm just trying to decide how best to go about monetizing them. I was originally thinking more directory-type, but your method seems more intriguing.

          I will have to read through again to make sure I understand better, but if I were to use Driving Schools Albuquerque as an example, I don't quite understand which business would get the home page, page one, two, etc. In other words, how the site would get structured so that clients would actually "want" to be on the site. Forgive me if I'm overlooking something simple - or as is often the case with me, over-thinking it ;-)

          -Michael
          Hey!

          Ok since I have no idea of the US I just looked up Albuquerque so using the method that I have been speaking about on this thread the home page gets set up as a landing page and this would be Driving Schools Albuquerque.

          Now..... I would have a big text in the middle of the website saying Driving Schools in Albuquerque click the closest area to you. Now round this font you have buttons (that will link to internal ranking pages) on throes pages it is targeted to smaller more localised areas eg:North Vally or South Vally?

          So that front page is landing/lead gen

          If you can find a business that targets that entire area they can rent out both pages for a discount to save you from going to a competitor :p

          If you were going to charge $200 per month each page then you would say maybe $300 for the 2 pages - But this is totally up to you

          Something tells me I am going to have to set up a test page to show you all here!

          Originally Posted by gabluesky View Post

          Hi Emma,

          What kind of content do you put on each page to get them ranked before you have a renter? Do you write a unique article for each KW + city? Thanks for your great post and continued help.
          Just write an article that is very generalised in that niche eg: If you were doing a driving school maybe write an article "10 things you need to know before choosing a Driving school in *City" Just write about checking with friends, social media, google places review etc etc

          Optimise the pictures, title, description and meta tags for your KWs on each page - VERY IMPORTANT!!!!

          Originally Posted by alanjai View Post

          Hi Emma.
          As the previous poster above who said we bought into a WSO...about 50 of us....I am also one of those 50...am I correct in that you said you only target Tradies....Plumbers, Dentists, etc.

          Great thread by the way...well done.

          Alan.
          Thanks Alan! I target which ever niche I can think of! When I am watching TV I am thinking of niches to target. I always think "How much would a customer spend on that?" this applies to a once off purchase or a returning time and time again purchase - this is a VITAL factor in choosing a niche

          Here are 3 example of niches you may not have thought about

          1) Water tank installers (they are BIG in Australia)
          2) Dozer hire - cost a fortune to hire
          3) Lawn mowing - need weekly/fn so have high customer value

          Just 3 to get you thinking
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          • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
            Originally Posted by Rande View Post


            Something tells me I am going to have to set up a test page to show you all here!
            I think that would be very helpful to many of us here to see some sort of example. If you can make the time to post something that would be great.
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            • Profile picture of the author stephen620924
              Hi
              I agree! I am very grateful to Emma for all her info thus far but I would really appreciate it if I could see a living example of her method
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    Thanks for an interesting post!
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    • Profile picture of the author neoo28
      Thank you very much to share your information. I have a question. How do you choose keywords to buy domain name. I mean how many maximum web sites competition you choose if to look in quotes keyword.

      And it will be very kind of you to show us an example of site.

      thanks again
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  • Profile picture of the author JToneyUK
    This is an interesting topic and I can think of a few issues to question :-)

    1. Whilst I do understand that prospective clients will be excited about the opportunity to be found on a site near the top of Google (where they currently don't rank anywhere near), but do they have any issues that other companies, namely their rivals, are also featured on the site also?

    2. With the structure you have in place:

    Keyword 1 Big town
    Keyword 1 suburb 1 of big town
    Keyword 1 suburb 2 of big town
    etc etc

    What if more than 1 of the interested clients reside in the same suburb and so would want to lease that page? And alternatively, what if you don't get any takers on certain suburbs?

    3. Are clients not too fussed that they don't get listed on the home/main page of the site? I know you can give them this option for a higher fee, but some people expect somethin for nothin.

    4. What's stopping the home/front page targetting "Keyword 1 Big Town" just being a directory like page with all the businesses listed on there?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Hackett
    Thanks Emma! While a visual would be helpful of course, your explanation helps a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author 9999
    Wondering if you would get better results if you had the domain:

    - city keyword
    - keyword city
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by 9999 View Post

      Wondering if you would get better results if you had the domain:

      - city keyword
      - keyword city
      Just KW research to pick your domain name

      Pick an exact match domain name
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      • Profile picture of the author EMaria
        I have been interested in this business model for quite awhile myself.

        The thing is ... in several of the niches (12) to be exact, that I researched, the ppc results in addition to the places pages results, dominated the first 1-8 or more results, which leaves the organic search results way down on the page, where people might never see YOUR site.

        I don't know of a way around this except to get top quality content and backlinks on the site. That is very time consuming and okay if you arent in hurry to start generating income.

        Personally, I don't want to wait 4 to 6 months (or longer) waiting for a site to get to page one. It's not as easy getting a site ranked locally on the first page of Google AND in the first 1-3 or 5 results as some people seem to believe. This is only my opinion.

        Perhaps I need to investigate other niches, but after the results returned on the 12 that I have researched, I decided to put this business model on the backburner.

        I'm not trying to make a kajillion dollars in 15 minutes, but I do tend to prefer a business model where I can generate some decent income within a month or so.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dhira
    Ellen, in those cases, what is to stop you form offering Google Places to those clients?
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrian John
    I have an website too which i bought and built some time ago and it ranks on first page for his keyword.
    For some reason Google showed me around 500 exact searches per month but my site doesn't get any visitors. I only got 1 lead once and i tried to offer it for free, but no one seem interested at that time.
    I am doing little research to find some close keywords to rank to get some traffic and leads.
    The thing is how you close the clients, what do you say over the phone, how do you engage them?
    I live in Europe and they are in US? this can be done right?

    Thanks for all the ideas in this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by EMaria View Post

      I have been interested in this business model for quite awhile myself.

      The thing is ... in several of the niches (12) to be exact, that I researched, the ppc results in addition to the places pages results, dominated the first 1-8 or more results, which leaves the organic search results way down on the page, where people might never see YOUR site.

      I don't know of a way around this except to get top quality content and backlinks on the site. That is very time consuming and okay if you arent in hurry to start generating income.

      Personally, I don't want to wait 4 to 6 months (or longer) waiting for a site to get to page one. It's not as easy getting a site ranked locally on the first page of Google AND in the first 1-3 or 5 results as some people seem to believe. This is only my opinion.

      Perhaps I need to investigate other niches, but after the results returned on the 12 that I have researched, I decided to put this business model on the backburner.

      I'm not trying to make a kajillion dollars in 15 minutes, but I do tend to prefer a business model where I can generate some decent income within a month or so.

      Ellen
      There are seriously LOADS of niches that do not have google places....
      Just gotta think outside the box as far as niches are concerned

      And .... as far as ranking above google places, this CAN be done, on page optimisation needs to be spot on and build backlinks

      When calling businesses let them know that you have a long term link strategy in place and will be pushing the site up the ranks, once your site ranks above google places you will be renting out for much more, but as a loyalty bonus if they sign up before then you will not increase the rent

      Originally Posted by Dhira View Post

      Ellen, in those cases, what is to stop you form offering Google Places to those clients?
      Perfect service to compliment renting webistes - love it!

      Originally Posted by banditu View Post

      I have an website too which i bought and built some time ago and it ranks on first page for his keyword.
      For some reason Google showed me around 500 exact searches per month but my site doesn't get any visitors. I only got 1 lead once and i tried to offer it for free, but no one seem interested at that time.
      I am doing little research to find some close keywords to rank to get some traffic and leads.
      The thing is how you close the clients, what do you say over the phone, how do you engage them?
      I live in Europe and they are in US? this can be done right?

      Thanks for all the ideas in this thread.
      First thing - where did you get your stats from? Was this broad or exact searches?
      And, where on page 1 are you. You really want to be in position 1-3, but in saying that if no one is searching for that term it doesn't really matter where you are!
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    Any other layouts that is working for you guys that you could share?
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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
      Banned
      Here's a Sample Site that Jack Mize uses to exhibit his "1-page Rental Sites";

      http://houstondiscountroofing.com/

      Notice there are no Google Places! I haven't check the hits but....a site like this....can bring in "INSTANT CASH" because you are appealing to "EGO" and "Competitiveness" of businesses in the Same Category.

      I call this; "Website On Spec"!

      Create the site....then send an email to 5 or 6 competing businesses....1st one that pays for it....gets it.

      In a big Town like Houston though....you could use this as the Main Site and have Links to Pages in outlying areas and charge them the Monthly Page Rate...which....imo should be at least $250/mo ea...rather than $100 ea....because just ONE Roofing job can pay for a few yrs listing.

      Don Alm
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

        Here's a Sample Site that Jack Mize uses to exhibit his "1-page Rental Sites";

        http://houstondiscountroofing.com/

        Notice there are no Google Places! I haven't check the hits but....a site like this....can bring in "INSTANT CASH" because you are appealing to "EGO" and "Competitiveness" of businesses in the Same Category.

        I call this; "Website On Spec"!

        Create the site....then send an email to 5 or 6 competing businesses....1st one that pays for it....gets it.

        In a big Town like Houston though....you could use this as the Main Site and have Links to Pages in outlying areas and charge them the Monthly Page Rate...which....imo should be at least $250/mo ea...rather than $100 ea....because just ONE Roofing job can pay for a few yrs listing.

        Don Alm

        Thanks for sharing Don - this is great!

        140 exact searches pm - no google places - low competition

        Personally, I think the site can be "prettied" up but it serves its purpose
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      • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
        Originally Posted by midasman09 View Post

        Here's a Sample Site that Jack Mize uses to exhibit his "1-page Rental Sites";

        http://houstondiscountroofing.com/

        Don Alm
        Hi,

        I have been following this thread with fascination. It never occurred to me that you could 'rent' out websites.

        May I ask a technical question please? That contact form you have on the right of the screen - are you using a simple autoresponder to create the custom fields? I am assuming it then sends an email to the owner of the site so that they can contact the prospective client?

        Thanks
        Di
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

          Hi,

          I have been following this thread with fascination. It never occurred to me that you could 'rent' out websites.

          May I ask a technical question please? That contact form you have on the right of the screen - are you using a simple autoresponder to create the custom fields? I am assuming it then sends an email to the owner of the site so that they can contact the prospective client?

          Thanks
          Di

          I personally use contact form 7 (wordpress plug in) - as this site will be rented you can specify where the email will be sent.

          Its not an auto responder as such - its a form asking for a call back or a quote or something like that
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          • Profile picture of the author gecko1
            Hi Rande,

            Thanks for all the info, it looks like it's a simple system.
            Is there a sample site you can share or something similar to
            what your sites look like?
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          • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
            Originally Posted by Rande View Post

            I personally use contact form 7 (wordpress plug in) - as this site will be rented you can specify where the email will be sent.

            Its not an auto responder as such - its a form asking for a call back or a quote or something like that
            Contact Form 7 is the best when using it on the sidebar of a wordpress blog.

            This is what both Jack Mize and I use for our sites
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        • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
          Out of all the clients you've called have you ever been asked to meet with them (for lunch or whatever)? I'd imagine many small business owners would want to see your face before engaging in any sort of business relationship.

          From the perspective of the IMer it would be inconvenient to have to meet with every business owner you're trying to rent your site to. But I'm afraid that some people, especially those who don't fully grasp the convenience and ingenuity of the internet, may try to make your life more difficult.

          I'm actually using a similar model to yours but rather than rent out the entire site I'm renting out ad space on a website with an EMD. I've been emailing prospect but no response so far. I'd imagine I'd get a better response with calling but unfortunately that isn't my forte and may resort to hiring a sales person to do it (but then I would have to split the profit ).
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      • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
        How would you go about doing SEO for a one-page rental site?
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
    Hiya!

    Thought I would pop back for an update.....

    My husband used to be a Tiler, his site was the first one that I ever built, not the most flash but it gets the job done!!! I never even added pictures into the gallery!

    The website is Tilers Brisbane

    It cost me $10 to build - $5 for the header and $5 for the customization on the theme....

    $10 in $5000 out
    OR
    $200pm passively for as long as I rank

    Now that is what I call SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The google places listing when searching for the KW - Tilers Brisbane or Brisbane Tiler. Page 1 position 1 for those juicy KWs - which is where the true action is

    We have moved from Brisbane now and still get calls for this business, so I decided to rent it out..... I had to call 4 Tilers before I landed 1 who was KEEN AS to take it on!

    I have decided to rent it out for the next 3 weeks free of charge so that the Tiler can see first hand the searches and calls he will get, then he has the option to buy for $5000 or rent for $200 pm.

    I think I am a little personally attached to this site and niche as this was our business and not one of my normal web rentals......

    Thought you guys who were following this thread may have liked the update

    Emma
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    Need more customers as subject sound spammy to me even i need more customers.
    But i will likely to ignore those subject which earn big money , earn more money , get more traffic and so on .
    Because i think it need something to prove rather than show the result in subjects.
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by JerrickYeoh View Post

      Need more customers as subject sound spammy to me even i need more customers.
      But i will likely to ignore those subject which earn big money , earn more money , get more traffic and so on .
      Because i think it need something to prove rather than show the result in subjects.
      Tested and measured..... works like a treat

      Oh!

      In business the only thing that matters is RESULTS

      Although you can reach results in a variety of ways, always maintain integrity. Integrity with results, now that's a killer combo
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    Years ago, when lead generation companies (construction) started to pop up here in the great Northwest (US), they had a simple and very successful opening line. Something like this:

    "Hey Tom, you're a tile setter right? We have jobs for you. Are you interested in more work?"

    Then, they'd invite you to their office to "explain" how it works... The point I'm trying to make is that "language matters".

    If you don't like "more customers", try something else like "potential project for a tile setter..." or "potential bid request", "tile work available", "potential tile project"

    Try to approach this from what the service is about, rather than "growing business or customers'. It's all about opening initial email.

    Hope this helps,

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  • Profile picture of the author shockwave
    Hey All,

    Not trying to jack this thread from Rande, just wanted to share my recent experience.

    So, I finally landed my first web rental client. My expertise is in SEO and Video Marketing, so I thought this might be a good route for some residual income. Since I've never done this before, I decided to start small just to see if I could make it work. So, here are some insights and take-aways.

    1. Keyword research: I decided to start with a local niche {keyword phrase + city}. The primary keyword only has 36 Exact Matches searches/month and the other 4 secondary keywords get less than that.

    2. Domain: Bought the ".net" version of my Exact Match Domain

    3. Website: Think leadgen website. I used the Twenty-Ten WP theme and threw up 5 pages of relevant content - which I literally copied/pasted from other websites....(Yes, besides plagiarism, I would call that duplicate content, wouldn't you?) Lesson: Don't believe everything you read about "duplicate content" b.s. - Listen, if it's RELEVANT, then it's all good.

    4. Once content was on each page along with proper optimization of Title and H1/H2 tags, I decided to use the right sidebar area for the "call to action". I put the call tracking phone number at the top, and used a Wufoo form for the contact/leadgen submission. In the Wufoo form, I required name, address, phone, "commercial" or "residential", and also required the prospective clients to check at least one type of service (within this specific niche). Now I can see how many calls and how many leads this site gets for future purposes.

    That's it for on-page stuff. Now, let's take a look at off-page:

    1. Created image, video, and picture sitemaps using some wp plugins.

    2. Submitted these sitemaps to Google webmaster tools.

    3. Created some videos and optimized them. Specifically, these videos were all the same. Basically, I took a single image and added some music. The reason for the single image is because it allows me to control the thumbnail that appears in Google SERPS (it's always the same eye-catching image). Then I optimized each video title for each of the five main keywords I wanted to target and then started to focus on other cities in the surround area. I think I have about 28 videos now. They all look the same, they are just optimized for different cities and are all just different lengths (I add 1 second to each video still - that's how I can upload the same video over and over)

    4. Hopped on over to fiverr, and grabbed a few gigs for backlinks. I recommend you grab a few that give you 100-200 backlinks to high from High PR websites. Focus on QUALITY not quantity. And point them to every page on your site - not just the home page. Also, throw some gigs at your videos.

    5. Less than 2 weeks, my site and videos are now ranking on 1st page of Google.

    So, how did I get a client?

    1. I first made a video using screen-o-matic outlining the ranking results and the benefits to potential clients who would want to rent the site.

    2. Then I put up an ad on Craigslist....actually, it took about 2 weeks of ads on Craigslist (believe me, it was a chore).

    Finally someone called. I ended up meeting at a StarSchmucks to close the client. Got them on a 4 month contract at $99/month. Oh and when I asked the client HOW he found me, it was from YouTube. He said my videos because he was looking at his competition. I had an overlay on my video that said: "Attn: {contractor niche} - Rent this video listing for YOUR business and get more customers!"

    Take Aways:

    1. Don't go for seasonal niches. Next time, I'm going for something that's gonna be paying me year round. True, at the end of the contract I could simply sell this client the website or just wait till next year and rent it out again.

    2. Understand the cost-per-client for the niche you want to work. After I put in some work on the site/videos I discovered that these particular type of contractors prefer commercial work (most of the time) rather than residential customers.

    3. I practically GAVE this site away for only $99/month. I probably put a total of 10 hrs of work into this so far. But, I have to chalk it up as a learning experience. And who knows, once it prooves itself, I will better able to determine the real value.

    So that's it. Good luck!

    - Shockwave
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
    Awesome Shockwave!!!!!!

    Thanks for sharing - web rentals is def a great way to earn passive income while continuing to grow your online business
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    • Profile picture of the author shockwave
      Originally Posted by Rande View Post

      Awesome Shockwave!!!!!!

      Thanks for sharing - web rentals is def a great way to earn passive income while continuing to grow your online business
      Thanks Rande. I like the idea of a reoccuring income stream. If someone wanted to dumb it down even more, you can certainly do the same things with videos alone (rank them, then rent them).

      Of course, there are WSO's all over the place on how to do the web-rental or video rental model, but IMHO, it's never an issue of ranking the website or video, the REAL challenge is finding someone willing to rent it. They have to understand the value. How's the saying go? "It's only worth what someone is willing to pay."
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      • Profile picture of the author gecko1
        I totally agree with you. The client getting part is the hardest!

        I took me about 2 months to rent out a site, this site is a lead generation site with a video addressing the pain the target prospect if going thru. So the site
        has a video on it with a google voice number and a capture form for email addresses. (oh and a call to action of course)

        The video and the site rank on page #1 for the target kw! awesome value for
        the client. So I get voice mssgs and emails of prospects and it works like a charm!

        To rent it out I told the client that I created this site as a test and that I'm getting leads every week, that I did not want the leads to go to waste and I wanted the leads to be well taken care off. So I had them on for 2 months so they could see first. The signed up after they saw the benefit.

        I just think this is really a long way of getting clients.
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        • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
          There are some real nuggets if you DIG into this post.

          First off, yes renting the sites for the first few you do is really hard. But after a while it becomes much easier. It helps if you already have testimonials of happy clients.

          It's like anything, if you want to succeed you have to have a plan. What does your marketing plan consist of? Are you just sending an email and giving up, or do you have a multi-step process in place to make sure that you are doing everything you can to make this happen? I have sometimes contacted a client 15 times before they signed up, email, walking in cold, phone messages, postcards, etc.

          Also one of the things I noticed from Rande is the tiling website. It's much easier to rent in a niche if you can talk the talk and walk the walk. Specialize in ONE field and get to know how they work. Get to know the language of the customer base so that you can talk the way they talk, so you know what makes them tick. If you can do that, you're going to be much more successful in getting your clients to stick around for the long-haul. You're speaking THEIR language, not your language and that is SOOOO much more effective.

          Just sayin'

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          • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
            Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

            There are some real nuggets if you DIG into this post.

            First off, yes renting the sites for the first few you do is really hard. But after a while it becomes much easier. It helps if you already have testimonials of happy clients.

            It's like anything, if you want to succeed you have to have a plan. What does your marketing plan consist of? Are you just sending an email and giving up, or do you have a multi-step process in place to make sure that you are doing everything you can to make this happen? I have sometimes contacted a client 15 times before they signed up, email, walking in cold, phone messages, postcards, etc.

            Also one of the things I noticed from Rande is the tiling website. It's much easier to rent in a niche if you can talk the talk and walk the walk. Specialize in ONE field and get to know how they work. Get to know the language of the customer base so that you can talk the way they talk, so you know what makes them tick. If you can do that, you're going to be much more successful in getting your clients to stick around for the long-haul. You're speaking THEIR language, not your language and that is SOOOO much more effective.

            Just sayin'

            Marcos

            Thanks Marcos,

            I think my comment about my tiling website has been deleted!!

            Basically I was posting to let everyone know that I rented another site..... I called 4 business owners and was shot down, then on the 5 he was soooo happy, signed up right away, and has already had leads from the site - mission successful!

            I think the key is approach the sale from a "you" perspective. Don't talk about yourself and what you have.... rather what they will get from it. Everytime you want to say "I" try and change it around to say "you" this helps you turn the conversation around

            Em
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          • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
            This thread has more training than a lot of WSOs I have purchased.

            Thanks to all of your for sharing as I have learned a lot about tweaking my sites to make them better.

            I am motivated to set up another dozen or so before the new year!

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  • Profile picture of the author linebelowdigital
    This sounds like a great strategy. I never considered renting individual pages since I usually build an entire site around 1 location based search term. I'll definitely give this a try. Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
    Owning a phone number is good so that when you backlink, post in classifieds or video market you can include the phone number in the title so that the phone number comes up in the searches so that even if a customer doesn't open your site they can see the number ..... afterall the most important component of these types of websites is a clear CALL TO ACTION!!

    If you own the number even when clients leave you, all your BL remain the same, all your efforts still remain, client after client....
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    • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
      Originally Posted by Rande View Post

      Owning a phone number is good so that when you backlink, post in classifieds or video market you can include the phone number in the title so that the phone number comes up in the searches so that even if a customer doesn't open your site they can see the number ..... afterall the most important component of these types of websites is a clear CALL TO ACTION!!

      If you own the number even when clients leave you, all your BL remain the same, all your efforts still remain, client after client....


      What do you do with emails/phone calls that come in before you get a renter?
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  • Profile picture of the author dms321
    Very interesting discussion.

    I have not done web rental myself the way OP describes but need to try it with some of offline clients...

    Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author SpiralX
    This is so perfect... I am just getting into this field as part of my offline strategy! Picked up the idea from not one but a few WSOs. I'm just working on laying it out now. I also have a similar method of deciding who to contact... PPC, Yellow pages (spending money), and/or not on the first page.

    Love the thread, thanks. Hope I can pop in with some questions in the next few days.
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  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Awesome tips. A. find people who need what your selling B. are already spending money C. come up with some type of continuity so you can get paid longer.
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  • Profile picture of the author cuppatea78
    Originally Posted by Rande View Post

    Hiya Offline Warrior

    I just started renting out web space and it as been no problem at all. My site as ranked very well top 3 positions for the keywords I target. I pick business to call 3 ways

    1) On page 3 or worse on google
    2) Advertising on adwords but not organically
    3) Advertising in yellow pages (big glossy ads) but websites not ranking organically in first 2 pages

    The second 2 are usually very interested because they are already spending money. Me and my husband have tried scripts but what seems to work best is a natural conversation, but you keep the control by asking leading questions. Also business owners love talking about themselves or rather their business and how to get more customers, so that is always the main focus! You must emphasis THEIR business and WIIFM (what in it for me)

    If the business owner does not seem chatty then send them and email and/or a letter. Screen shot your ranking vs screen shot their current ranking and add a catchy headline "Need more customers? Call me to skyrocket your sales - no risk!" Then email or post or both. I always put on their that I will call them on a particular day and I do it!


    Another point is lead capture..... if they are not interested now then at least get them on your list so you can continue to market to them. Create a product to give away in exchange for their email. It does not need to be anything too flash but it must focus on their business and the internet. Include some facts and figures then some tips. You want it to sound like you know what you are talking about here and position yourself as an authority in all things IM. What I have done is set up a squeeze page specifically for this with just an opt in form and a title ... from memory its something like "Claim your FREE ebook 27 Internet Marketing Must Haves For Your Business" Then I just send them the link to that page in my email.

    I hope this helps some warriors. I KNOW this works, this is exactly what I do and it works a treat!

    Emma
    This is a good solid method that works. All business owners want more business so if you can show them that you can provide them with the opportunity to get more clients then they will be all ears!

    This is one of the methods we have used for ages and it works. Once you have your approach down solid you will find that getting business is the least of your worries, keeping up with the work becomes the problem!
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
    Yep, it totally works and as I keep saying, its passive income

    I started off making websites for offliners and also offering SEO .... but web rentals is a far better business model to get into!
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    • Profile picture of the author gecko1
      Rande,
      thanks for sharing your model.
      I have a question for you if you don't mind, on each of the 5 pages do you post a graph ad for the client? or how do you place their info on the page they rent?
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    Anyone have a recommendation for WP themes used in these types of sites?

    thanks!
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      Kosmo101,
      I can't pm yet shoot me your question at
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
    Lots of good info here! I like the idea of renting out pages.

    Rande, have you tried any pricing based on how much a lead could make them? Have you tried renting to multiple businesses on the same page?
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    • Profile picture of the author troybh
      So your actual website would be like.
      tilersbrisbane dot com
      tilersbrisbane dot com/local city1
      tilersbrisbane dot com/local city2
      etc...

      What if your were to build a website that ranked #1 for tilers. Where can you go from here?
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by troybh View Post

        So your actual website would be like.
        tilersbrisbane dot com
        tilersbrisbane dot com/local city1
        tilersbrisbane dot com/local city2
        etc...

        What if your were to build a website that ranked #1 for tilers. Where can you go from here?
        Well that particular site that you are referring to is in position 1 google maps - we used to be able to employe 1 full time tiler plus laborers and sometimes other tilers as needed.
        At one stage we landed a contract for 50 units
        So there is quite alot of business to be had!!!!

        I rent it for $250 per month.... I think I could rent it for $500 plus, but you know what??? I am happy with $250, the guy that rents from me is happy and I am particularly happy with my passive $250 each and every month for what I see as free
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        • Profile picture of the author frankhill
          Rande,

          Out of curiosity, are all of your clients in Australia?

          Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author gecko1
            Right now I am doing the calls to rent out an ad space on a local
            site I own for accountants. It's ranking on page one for the laser
            targeted search term.
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            • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
              Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post

              What do you do with emails/phone calls that come in before you get a renter?
              You can sell to business owners per lead/call that comes in

              You could advise that you are a marketer looking to rent this space and if they can tell the next plumber/doctor/accountant they call that they called me first and to pass on my number ...... if they sign up offer to pay that customer who called $100!! How is that for an incentive!!!

              Don't advertise a number or have an opt in form but instead place adsense on the site until it is rented

              Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post

              Lots of good info here! I like the idea of renting out pages.

              Rande, have you tried any pricing based on how much a lead could make them? Have you tried renting to multiple businesses on the same page?
              Yeah, I have tried several price points and personally I dont want to sell per lead, i like income every month for doing nothing

              Originally Posted by fuzzycorleone View Post

              Out of all the clients you've called have you ever been asked to meet with them (for lunch or whatever)? I'd imagine many small business owners would want to see your face before engaging in any sort of business relationship.

              From the perspective of the IMer it would be inconvenient to have to meet with every business owner you're trying to rent your site to. But I'm afraid that some people, especially those who don't fully grasp the convenience and ingenuity of the internet, may try to make your life more difficult.

              I'm actually using a similar model to yours but rather than rent out the entire site I'm renting out ad space on a website with an EMD. I've been emailing prospect but no response so far. I'd imagine I'd get a better response with calling but unfortunately that isn't my forte and may resort to hiring a sales person to do it (but then I would have to split the profit ).
              Yes, I have had some business owners want to meet, depends on the location and availability if I do. But as a general rule for the rental model not too many owners do, I find more of my SEO clients want to meet face to face, this is why I have turned my business focus to rental because I find SEO clients are high maintenance

              Originally Posted by frankhill View Post

              Rande,

              Out of curiosity, are all of your clients in Australia?

              Frank
              Nope...... and none of them live in the place where I do..... I live in a town of 3000 (including the surrounding areas)

              I like to live in the bush

              Originally Posted by gecko1 View Post

              Right now I am doing the calls to rent out an ad space on a local
              site I own for accountants. It's ranking on page one for the laser
              targeted search term.
              Wicked!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author tigerbait
    this is great stuff!
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    Has anyone attempted this using LPN?
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      Originally Posted by tigerbait View Post

      Has anyone attempted this using LPN?
      and what is LPN?
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      • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
        Originally Posted by Christopher Towers View Post

        and what is LPN?
        I think he meant VPN?
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    landing page ninja
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  • Profile picture of the author thefsboking
    I am in the process of creating some local lead generation sites. I now have a concern for what kind of traffic I may get if my sites sit below 3 paid ads and then 7 Google Places.
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    how do you find out which businesses are advertising on adwords? Except the ads that we see on google search, is there any other way to find out? thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
    I've been looking at sites in my local area and there are more than a few of these type of sites being rented out. The thing I noticed is that the ones that are in the top position are owned by the more well known companies. I've seen it on about 8 sites now.

    Does that mean that the bigger guys just want to maintain their dominance or that they are just easier to sell to?
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  • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
    Okay. I have my site set up and I have my first client already. I'm actually selling him all the leads off the site for the first month. It's performance based, so I'm getting paid for each lead I deliver. He knows that as the ranking goes up I'll be selling individual pages but this way I earn something while I optimize the page and get it out there.

    I'm doing a 4 page site for my region, there are only 3 major areas here and my site name covers this entire region. I'm seoing each page for its location and then I'm selling a Featured Listing on the front page as well. I'm doing some video marketing to help promote the page, I set up a google places, a youtube channel and a facebook fan page with 10 fans already. I plan on spending the next few weeks pushing it online with seo, video marketing and facebook marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
      Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post

      Okay. I have my site set up and I have my first client already. I'm actually selling him all the leads off the site for the first month. It's performance based, so I'm getting paid for each lead I deliver. He knows that as the ranking goes up I'll be selling individual pages but this way I earn something while I optimize the page and get it out there.

      I'm doing a 4 page site for my region, there are only 3 major areas here and my site name covers this entire region. I'm seoing each page for its location and then I'm selling a Featured Listing on the front page as well. I'm doing some video marketing to help promote the page, I set up a google places, a youtube channel and a facebook fan page with 10 fans already. I plan on spending the next few weeks pushing it online with seo, video marketing and facebook marketing.
      How did you manage to get a client before ranking the site? I'd imagine it would be a hard sell.
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      • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
        Originally Posted by fuzzycorleone View Post

        How did you manage to get a client before ranking the site? I'd imagine it would be a hard sell.
        Actually it was pretty easy as I work with him. We are old friends and he's not making any money in this area of his business as of the last two years so he's willing to take a chance. I told him what I was doing and if he wanted in on it. He did so he agreed to buy the leads until I sold my pages. Also this market is getting ready to be busy so it's a great time to lay the ground work as people will be searching for it by January and it will be very hot from February through the end of summer.

        One of the things fellow warrior shared with me was to get the client first and then build the lead generation system. I figured I'd split the difference and see how it goes. I'll give him the leads until I get to page one, then I'll offer him first dibs on our area page or on the featured page and lease the rest.

        Good news. I just put up my site, seo'd it and submitted it. I set up my twitter account and linked it to the facebook and website. I made a quick video, then seo'd my video put it on my site and on facebook and twitter

        My website is on page 18 for my main keyword, my client is on page 16 and my video is on page 27 in the standard google search. This is as of day 1. In the google videos search I'm ranking number 1 for 2 of my areas and number 3 in the third. Tomorrow I'll start boosting my video with a few techniques and getting some backlinks and likes and start building up my other keywords where I'm a bit lower in the rankings. This is fun.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
          Originally Posted by swilliams09 View Post

          One of the things fellow warrior shared with me was to get the client first and then build the lead generation system.
          Congrats on your new client and great advice!
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      • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
        Originally Posted by fuzzycorleone View Post

        How did you manage to get a client before ranking the site? I'd imagine it would be a hard sell.
        Its really an easy sale once you have a few sites you already ranked and can show them either with screenshots or live searches.

        I do this all the time

        Personally I will not even create a new site unless I have a renter for it already.

        I only created 1-2 sites when I started this method and those are the only ones I set up before I had a paying client.

        Think of it like this.

        If you were investing in properties to rent out. Would it be better to first get a renter before you close escrow or wait until after you closed on the house and then have to carry the first months mortgage with no rental income?


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  • Profile picture of the author blaugrana
    hi i have a questions for y'all :

    i have a website that ranked on page one google.com, but when i try to search with google USA, it doesn't have a good rank. why it happens ? the keyword is (city)attorney. and how i can land a client but i live outside us ? thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Dr Dan
      Originally Posted by blaugrana View Post

      hi i have a questions for y'all :

      i have a website that ranked on page one google.com, but when i try to search with google USA, it doesn't have a good rank. why it happens ? the keyword is (city)attorney. and how i can land a client but i live outside us ? thanks
      You might need to log out of your google account.

      Also I sometimes use another browser and clear everything (cookies, cache, etc) before using it.
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  • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
    What is a good script to use? I too believe that a natural conversation works best but my telemarketer insists that I use a script.
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  • Profile picture of the author natas105
    Hey Emma,
    I would like to start a business just like yours in the near future. The one thing that's holding me back is the fact that i'm from the netherlands and calling prospects is difficult due to the time difference. I know how to get websites ranked on the first page of google, but my fear is that potential clients will not pay me $100 a site without even speaking to me first. Do you think it can be done by just emailing the pot. client or am i right and should I consider a different kind of business?
    I would love to hear your thoughts about this.
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    • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
      Originally Posted by natas105 View Post

      Hey Emma,
      I would like to start a business just like yours in the near future. The one thing that's holding me back is the fact that i'm from the netherlands and calling prospects is difficult due to the time difference. I know how to get websites ranked on the first page of google, but my fear is that potential clients will not pay me $100 a site without even speaking to me first. Do you think it can be done by just emailing the pot. client or am i right and should I consider a different kind of business?
      I would love to hear your thoughts about this.
      I don't think emailing would be effective. The read rate of email is like 5% and the response rate is like 1-2%. You're better off cold calling or doing face-to-face.

      If you're from the Netherlands then just outsource cold calling to a US-based telemarketer. Make sure he or she thoroughly understands your product and how to communicate its benefits to prospective business owners.
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      • Profile picture of the author natas105
        thanks fuzzy corleone.....that's what i was afraid of. I have thought about outsourcing. will think it through.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
      Originally Posted by natas105 View Post

      Hey Emma,
      I would like to start a business just like yours in the near future. The one thing that's holding me back is the fact that i'm from the netherlands and calling prospects is difficult due to the time difference. I know how to get websites ranked on the first page of google, but my fear is that potential clients will not pay me $100 a site without even speaking to me first. Do you think it can be done by just emailing the pot. client or am i right and should I consider a different kind of business?
      I would love to hear your thoughts about this.
      Why don't you target your local area first?
      I'm from the UK and I live in Brazil

      That's a tough one, but I'm managing and have my first two local directory sites slowly beginning to make me money.

      It's probably the case that competition is a bit less in the NL than Stateside and you might be surprised how well you do and how easy it is to mae the system work.

      I actually flew into Amstedam last year. It was my first visit back to Europe in two years, and I was amazed that everybody on the train into the city was playing on their iPhone.
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  • Profile picture of the author GClark22
    can anyone recommend or share some information on the contract they are using for the rental agreement? I am at the point where i am approaching clients and have a couple of 2nd phone appointments that seem promising. when i get the deal, i have no idea or contract to offer to solidify the deal.
    Any suggestions??
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  • Profile picture of the author Cat in Oz
    Hi Emma,

    I'm new to this forum. I found your post through Google and was both inspired and proud of the Aussie doing well :-)

    You're clearly a talented marketer, but I am however a bit confused. Are your pages really that easy to rent?

    I was so impressed with your posts and curious about your site that I followed the link to your Facebook page and there found a link to your business page and so found your business site still with the dummy WP data only.

    Your business FB page had a post on the page for your web rental site and also a link to it. When I looked at your rental site (with .org and layout as mentioned in your posts) I discovered that none of the 5 pages are currently rented.

    I've also found the tiling site that you mentioned was the first site you set up for your husband which is now being rented out, but I notice that your husbands name is still on the site. Googling the mobile number on the site comes up with his business listing in local directories.

    Googling the rental site shows a bunch of press releases for November 2011. Were these to boost rankings or to replace rental clients?

    You started this thread in September 2011 and last posted in December, so I'm curious to know what happened to your renters between then and now. Likewise with the tiler page. Is it something to do with the holiday period? or has the pay by the month model turned out to be not as good as planned?

    I hope you get those pages rented quickly with the new year - you really have inspired me with your posts, so I'm hoping you're as good as you say you are! :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by natas105 View Post

      Hey Emma,
      I would like to start a business just like yours in the near future. The one thing that's holding me back is the fact that i'm from the netherlands and calling prospects is difficult due to the time difference. I know how to get websites ranked on the first page of google, but my fear is that potential clients will not pay me $100 a site without even speaking to me first. Do you think it can be done by just emailing the pot. client or am i right and should I consider a different kind of business?
      I would love to hear your thoughts about this.
      Hey,

      I think that you really need to call a potential customer first, I would not send a email without calling first - its a bit spammy.

      It does get a bit tricky with time differences, but if you have a well ranked site then it should not take that long to secure a renter

      Originally Posted by GClark22 View Post

      can anyone recommend or share some information on the contract they are using for the rental agreement? I am at the point where i am approaching clients and have a couple of 2nd phone appointments that seem promising. when i get the deal, i have no idea or contract to offer to solidify the deal.
      Any suggestions??
      Originally Posted by Cat in Oz View Post

      Hi Emma,

      I'm new to this forum. I found your post through Google and was both inspired and proud of the Aussie doing well :-)

      You're clearly a talented marketer, but I am however a bit confused. Are your pages really that easy to rent?

      I was so impressed with your posts and curious about your site that I followed the link to your Facebook page and there found a link to your business page and so found your business site still with the dummy WP data only.

      Your business FB page had a post on the page for your web rental site and also a link to it. When I looked at your rental site (with .org and layout as mentioned in your posts) I discovered that none of the 5 pages are currently rented.

      I've also found the tiling site that you mentioned was the first site you set up for your husband which is now being rented out, but I notice that your husbands name is still on the site. Googling the mobile number on the site comes up with his business listing in local directories.

      Googling the rental site shows a bunch of press releases for November 2011. Were these to boost rankings or to replace rental clients?

      You started this thread in September 2011 and last posted in December, so I'm curious to know what happened to your renters between then and now. Likewise with the tiler page. Is it something to do with the holiday period? or has the pay by the month model turned out to be not as good as planned?

      I hope you get those pages rented quickly with the new year - you really have inspired me with your posts, so I'm hoping you're as good as you say you are! :-)

      Hey!

      To answer your questions.....

      Re; Tiling site/GP everything including the number is still my husbands..... like I mentioned this was our actual business so yes it is listed in directories etc as we operated for years :p. It was also the first ever rental that we did, we text all leads to the renters atm. As you can imagine we have alot of previous clients who still have Ryans number and we get leads not only from GP but also word of mouth and repeat work so the leads come from multiple sources, for this reason Ryan likes to keep his finger on the pulse so to speak as his reputation is also being "rented out"
      That particular site/GP is up for rent atm, the previous Tiler got too overwhelmed with work - he prob got about $40K of work to quote in 1 month, I know that sounds too good to be true but its also a lot of work to float - glue, grout, silicon and labour. So, to answer your question the tiling is a little special and will always have Ryans name and number on it

      Re: emergency plumbers - I have not done anything to that site since I created it...... it ranks for multiple words, really need to pull my finger out. I created a FB page for it as I was experimenting with ranking ranking FB fanpages since I noticed that fanpages were ranking in the search engines.
      I also have refined the way I make the site a little more now, its the same principle though
      Since there has been so much interest maybe I could use emergency plumbers as a bit of a case study with ranking and renting a site? From memory the site is about 6 months old, its not particularly pretty and needs some work but the foundation is there..... thoughts and input from warriors would be good here?? What would you like to see?

      I hope that cleared up your questions..... if you want to know anything else just drop back here.......

      Love Em

      P.S Sorry for late reply we were on holidays.... ahhhhhh bliss, now back to reality
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        Hey Emma,
        That would be great to see a simple case study of the plumber site! Thanks for starting this thread and sharing information that is useful. I look forward to seeing your process.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zen Warrior
      Originally Posted by Cat in Oz View Post

      Hi Emma,

      I'm new to this forum. I found your post through Google and was both inspired and proud of the Aussie doing well :-)

      You're clearly a talented marketer, but I am however a bit confused. Are your pages really that easy to rent?

      I was so impressed with your posts and curious about your site that I followed the link to your Facebook page and there found a link to your business page and so found your business site still with the dummy WP data only.

      Your business FB page had a post on the page for your web rental site and also a link to it. When I looked at your rental site (with .org and layout as mentioned in your posts) I discovered that none of the 5 pages are currently rented.

      I've also found the tiling site that you mentioned was the first site you set up for your husband which is now being rented out, but I notice that your husbands name is still on the site. Googling the mobile number on the site comes up with his business listing in local directories.

      Googling the rental site shows a bunch of press releases for November 2011. Were these to boost rankings or to replace rental clients?

      You started this thread in September 2011 and last posted in December, so I'm curious to know what happened to your renters between then and now. Likewise with the tiler page. Is it something to do with the holiday period? or has the pay by the month model turned out to be not as good as planned?

      I hope you get those pages rented quickly with the new year - you really have inspired me with your posts, so I'm hoping you're as good as you say you are! :-)
      Very popular thread here. I am like the poster above...I'm a little skeptical about your claims Emma. Your info is good, basic, but basic/simple is good, no need to make it more complicated than it is....your free eBook is very basic info, but it's ok.

      The info is nothing most people who have bought a few WSO's wouldn't know...so, hmmm...your site for plumbers in Brisbane isn't ranking or rented...

      And your offer to build a blog that ranks on the 1rst pg of G for KW's with a minimum of 3000 EXACT MATCH searches for the keyword...well, I am no expert, but aren't keywords with exact match traffic of 3k + fairly competitive? And if you indeed get sites ranking for these great KW's, why would you sell them so cheap if they are going to be making $$?

      This thread introduced me to Marcos, so I thank you for that, but while it may be true--your story here--and it does have some good info here an there and makes for good reading....I am just a bit skeptical.

      ~Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by Zen Warrior View Post

        Very popular thread here. I am like the poster above...I'm a little skeptical about your claims Emma. Your info is good, basic, but basic/simple is good, no need to make it more complicated than it is....your free eBook is very basic info, but it's ok.

        The info is nothing most people who have bought a few WSO's wouldn't know...so, hmmm...your site for plumbers in Brisbane isn't ranking or rented...

        And your offer to build a blog that ranks on the 1rst pg of G for KW's with a minimum of 3000 EXACT MATCH searches for the keyword...well, I am no expert, but aren't keywords with exact match traffic of 3k + fairly competitive? And if you indeed get sites ranking for these great KW's, why would you sell them so cheap if they are going to be making $$?

        This thread introduced me to Marcos, so I thank you for that, but while it may be true--your story here--and it does have some good info here an there and makes for good reading....I am just a bit skeptical.

        ~Mike

        Hiya!

        Yes the ebook is an outline, I was getting swapped with emails, skype and fb so I decided to put some info down (most of it is found in the thread) but at least this way it is all in one place.

        I started this thread when I first started renting websites the plumbers site was literally the first site I built, left and it ranked well with no work. It has not been worked on or rented. The theory has evolved a fair bit since the first site, I have refined how I build and rank the sites.

        I have brought WSOs on this niche and there is more information on this thread than in those ebooks IMHO

        Yes, my and my husband build blogs with guaranteed rankings, we have well over 80 niche blogs ourselves and a few dozen rentals aswell. We love everything to do with offline and building websites, it consumes us. Building websites to rent to local businesses is a way that we can combine the two loves.

        Building websites to sell is fast cash for us, simple as that

        I dont claim to be a millionaire from my IM ventures but I make money everyday and I am happy to share what I know and warriorland is the place to do that, is it not?

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  • Profile picture of the author menumba1
    Just wondering, how do you rent out the space? do you just put a banner up or do you actually change the page content? like how big of a banner do you give them?
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  • Profile picture of the author gecko1
    a case study wold be great Emma!
    thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author crayzmedia
      Is it possible to outrank Google Places listings when trying to rank for niche professions in cities? e.g. Boston Dentists

      Has anyone had success with it? It'd be great if someone could outline the best practices to achieve this.
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by crayzmedia View Post

        Is it possible to outrank Google Places listings when trying to rank for niche professions in cities? e.g. Boston Dentists

        Has anyone had success with it? It'd be great if someone could outline the best practices to achieve this.

        yes & yes

        stick with the proven link building strategy - high PR, relevent backlinks ..... lots and lots and lots of them
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        • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
          Originally Posted by Rande View Post

          yes & yes

          stick with the proven link building strategy - high PR, relevent backlinks ..... lots and lots and lots of them
          Which fiverr gigs would you recommend to get your site ranked quickly?
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          • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
            Originally Posted by fuzzycorleone View Post

            Which fiverr gigs would you recommend to get your site ranked quickly?
            LOL, I will inbox you

            But again the key is def high PR and relevant, there are lots of different ways but the underlying theory is always the same

            Getting my butt into gear to do a demo site for you warriors, will prob do it over the weekend, so subscribe to this thread and follow along.

            I am also totally open to networking and learning, I by no means claim to know it all, so am welcoming all suggestions and also experiences you may have had.

            This is a system that is scalable and will never get saturated, there are too many combinations of trades and city's and countries
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            • Profile picture of the author gecko1
              Hi Rande,
              well, I started to build a site like you mentioned here.
              It has about 6 areas under the main city I'm targeting.

              I sent you a link via pm so you can check it out.

              It's not finished but it's already on top of pg 4 in google
              for the main city kw.

              Let me know what you think, thanks again!
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            • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
              Originally Posted by Rande View Post

              LOL, I will inbox you

              But again the key is def high PR and relevant, there are lots of different ways but the underlying theory is always the same

              Getting my butt into gear to do a demo site for you warriors, will prob do it over the weekend, so subscribe to this thread and follow along.

              I am also totally open to networking and learning, I by no means claim to know it all, so am welcoming all suggestions and also experiences you may have had.

              This is a system that is scalable and will never get saturated, there are too many combinations of trades and city's and countries
              Any update on how the demo site is coming along? That would definitely help many of us here. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author bonvideo
    Well done, thinking outside the box is always the best way to increase your sales. something that you could try as well is adding to your client pages, some social media links and buttons so they can like and share their own pages with friends and colleagues and your site at the same time!

    Enjoy!

    Originally Posted by Rande View Post

    Hiya Offline Warrior

    I just started renting out web space and it as been no problem at all. My site as ranked very well top 3 positions for the keywords I target. I pick business to call 3 ways

    1) On page 3 or worse on google
    2) Advertising on adwords but not organically
    3) Advertising in yellow pages (big glossy ads) but websites not ranking organically in first 2 pages

    The second 2 are usually very interested because they are already spending money. Me and my husband have tried scripts but what seems to work best is a natural conversation, but you keep the control by asking leading questions. Also business owners love talking about themselves or rather their business and how to get more customers, so that is always the main focus! You must emphasis THEIR business and WIIFM (what in it for me)

    If the business owner does not seem chatty then send them and email and/or a letter. Screen shot your ranking vs screen shot their current ranking and add a catchy headline "Need more customers? Call me to skyrocket your sales - no risk!" Then email or post or both. I always put on their that I will call them on a particular day and I do it!


    Another point is lead capture..... if they are not interested now then at least get them on your list so you can continue to market to them. Create a product to give away in exchange for their email. It does not need to be anything too flash but it must focus on their business and the internet. Include some facts and figures then some tips. You want it to sound like you know what you are talking about here and position yourself as an authority in all things IM. What I have done is set up a squeeze page specifically for this with just an opt in form and a title ... from memory its something like "Claim your FREE ebook 27 Internet Marketing Must Haves For Your Business" Then I just send them the link to that page in my email.

    I hope this helps some warriors. I KNOW this works, this is exactly what I do and it works a treat!

    Emma
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  • Profile picture of the author link82
    Great thread here, like Marcos, only a bit less complicated

    About ten days ago, I purchased 13-15 exact match domains. Some of them are .coms, some are .orgs and a couple are .nets. Most are for dentists, though three are for electricians.

    It's been about 10 days and now they are all indexed in Google (just manually checked Not ranking, mind you, because I like to give it 2-3 weeks before I start backlinking.

    I do think (& hope!) that having these sites ranked on the first page alone will get me a good response when I approach prospects in February. These exact match domains include dentist + city and electrician + city (I am targeting multiple cities).

    I think having something to show your client that is already ranking higher than their site will make them believe in what you can do for them. THe deal is right there anyway

    Thanks for such a helpful thread
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    • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
      Originally Posted by link82 View Post

      Great thread here, like Marcos, only a bit less complicated

      About ten days ago, I purchased 13-15 exact match domains. Some of them are .coms, some are .orgs and a couple are .nets. Most are for dentists, though three are for electricians.

      It's been about 10 days and now they are all indexed in Google (just manually checked Not ranking, mind you, because I like to give it 2-3 weeks before I start backlinking.

      I do think (& hope!) that having these sites ranked on the first page alone will get me a good response when I approach prospects in February. These exact match domains include dentist + city and electrician + city (I am targeting multiple cities).

      I think having something to show your client that is already ranking higher than their site will make them believe in what you can do for them. THe deal is right there anyway

      Thanks for such a helpful thread
      Hey I resent that. My thread isn't that complicated.

      Plus we're really talking about two different things here. I believe I posted on this thread when Rande first posted it. I don't specifically have a Rental Site thread mostly just replies to others questions and such.

      Marcos
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      • Profile picture of the author epark732
        Emma,

        Sent you a PM.

        Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author link82
        Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

        Hey I resent that. My thread isn't that complicated.

        Plus we're really talking about two different things here. I believe I posted on this thread when Rande first posted it. I don't specifically have a Rental Site thread mostly just replies to others questions and such.

        Marcos
        Hey Marcos, don't resent it!! I love your Local SEO Empire post. I understand what you say in that post--just execution wise, it becomes a bit overwhelming (for me). And you're right, that post is about building your own SEO empire so you can rank sites easily. I hope to learn (& execute) a lot more from you.

        This one is specifically about renting sites. This one can help us in the short term.

        In January, I posted this:

        Originally Posted by link82 View Post

        Great thread here, like Marcos, only a bit less complicated

        About ten days ago, I purchased 13-15 exact match domains. Some of them are .coms, some are .orgs and a couple are .nets. Most are for dentists, though three are for electricians.

        It's been about 10 days and now they are all indexed in Google (just manually checked Not ranking, mind you, because I like to give it 2-3 weeks before I start backlinking.

        I do think (& hope!) that having these sites ranked on the first page alone will get me a good response when I approach prospects in February. These exact match domains include dentist + city and electrician + city (I am targeting multiple cities).

        I think having something to show your client that is already ranking higher than their site will make them believe in what you can do for them. THe deal is right there anyway

        Thanks for such a helpful thread
        Well, it's February 10th and I have one domain ranking on bottom of page 1 and a handful on page 2. I have began backlinking for these domains and am looking forward to seeing them on the first page so I can start renting these babies. Sucks to wait on updates sometimes
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by link82 View Post

          In January, I posted this:

          Well, it's February 10th and I have one domain ranking on bottom of page 1 and a handful on page 2. I have began backlinking for these domains and am looking forward to seeing them on the first page so I can start renting these babies. Sucks to wait on updates sometimes
          Thats the name of the game baby!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Spock1
    Hi Rande,

    Those are terrific ideas for us newbies to marketing. Persistence and a quality product with great value.

    Best,
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  • Profile picture of the author fontaval
    Hello guys,
    Just went through this thread from first page and sounds really intereting and motivating. Thanks Emma for this, i am a newbie and just tired of this damn WSO's always offering the moon with all the fake promises. (No more buying of WSOs )

    (1) What is the best place to start learning SEO and what are the best tools to help..?:confused: .
    (2)How long if everything is properly done wil take to get a new site on google 1st page.

    If i was using all the money i have spent on WSO's to get websites and rank them i would done so much but hey they say its never too late...!. Thanks for the advice guys i was begining to lose hope till i bumped into this thread
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    • Profile picture of the author Teez
      Originally Posted by fontaval View Post

      Hello guys,
      Just went through this thread from first page and sounds really intereting and motivating. Thanks Emma for this, i am a newbie and just tired of this damn WSO's always offering the moon with all the fake promises. (No more buying of WSOs )

      (1) What is the best place to start learning SEO and what are the best tools to help..?:confused: .
      (2)How long if everything is properly done wil take to get a new site on google 1st page.

      If i was using all the money i have spent on WSO's to get websites and rank them i would done so much but hey they say its never too late...!. Thanks for the advice guys i was begining to lose hope till i bumped into this thread

      Hey man try this SEO: The Free Beginner?s Guide From SEOmoz

      I came across it earlier today by chance guess it was cos u might need it.

      By the way if you want to learn a lot on SEO WF search is easily an excellent place to start.

      I would use this approach
      1.Use the search function and google to know the basics
      2.Then use specific keywords in the WF keyword search and then google eg after youve learnt genreal info about ''key word research'' and ''traffic'' then use the WF Search and google search to zero in on that specific subject and so on.
      3. Then when you fairly knowledgeable on those specific things move on to the next subject.
      4.Along the way you'll see what WSOs are the best to go with. TBH all the info is on WF and Google free its just searching and IMHO you should always go for free soak up all the info the find the best cheap option
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  • Profile picture of the author epark732
    Emma,
    I have a bunch of rental sites in a great niche. Some are ranking on page 1 right now for great keywords and the rest will be soon. Would you have any interest in landing the clients for them for a recurring income on each one? You obviously have experience and are comfortable on the phone and that is what I really need. PM me for specific details if this is something you may be interested in.

    Thanks,

    Eric
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by epark732 View Post

      Emma,
      I have a bunch of rental sites in a great niche. Some are ranking on page 1 right now for great keywords and the rest will be soon. Would you have any interest in landing the clients for them for a recurring income on each one? You obviously have experience and are comfortable on the phone and that is what I really need. PM me for specific details if this is something you may be interested in.

      Thanks,

      Eric
      Yes would def be keen! If you have them ranked
      I will PM you

      Originally Posted by fontaval View Post

      Hello guys,
      Just went through this thread from first page and sounds really intereting and motivating. Thanks Emma for this, i am a newbie and just tired of this damn WSO's always offering the moon with all the fake promises. (No more buying of WSOs )

      (1) What is the best place to start learning SEO and what are the best tools to help..?:confused: .
      (2)How long if everything is properly done wil take to get a new site on google 1st page.

      If i was using all the money i have spent on WSO's to get websites and rank them i would done so much but hey they say its never too late...!. Thanks for the advice guys i was begining to lose hope till i bumped into this thread
      To answer Question 1: Read everything you can find on the net about SEO follow blogs and test and measure yourself - Always keep a diary and track the changes if any after your actions. Dont spend too much on WSOs some are very good but give yourself a budget and stick to it

      2) Impossible to answer! Far too many factors to even try to answer, but if you pick a good niche with searches and low comp then it can take a week BUT this is only in some specific conditions

      Hope that helps


      Originally Posted by noxid101 View Post

      Wow this is great what did you do to rank the rental sites?
      How long did it take to get them ranked?
      Cost?

      Thanks,
      Dylan
      Hi Dylan,

      Again totally impossible to answer! It can take anywhere from 1 week - 6 months!
      Depends on your onpage SEO, competition levels and back linking strategy and lastly what GOOGLE decides to update!!!

      Hope that helps

      I did mention that I was going to put together an example.... I would really like to do this but at the moment I cant commit totally, but I will in coming weeks I PROMISE
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    Awesome information. thanks!
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    Thanks. That were good tips. You have just given me more ideas to work on
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    • Profile picture of the author gecko1
      Just wanted to chime in here and
      give an update on using Rande's method:

      What I have:
      Have a site in the heating and air conditioning niche.

      I have the main city home page and a page for about 5 areas around
      the main city for the niche. (I don't have content on al the area pages yet,
      just created the pages as place holders).

      I have content on the home page
      (this takes longer to rank but I'm in the middle of pg 2 and climbing.

      I have content on the NORTH area page which is already on pg one bouncing
      in between spots 1 and 5.

      I have content on the DOWNTOWN area which is already on pg two bouncing
      in between spots 1 and 5 as well.

      ----
      Results so far:
      Rented the North area page for 99/mo! I am currently getting about 12 visitors to that page a day so it does get traffic.

      what I'm going to do now is take the first month's rent and use it all to create
      content for the rest of the pages and bring them up to pg 1.

      Hope this helps anyone looking in to this model.

      Just do it!
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by gecko1 View Post

        Results so far:
        Rented the North area page for 99/mo! I am currently getting about 12 visitors to that page a day so it does get traffic.
        That page that you have rented are getting 12 visitors a day what did the Google Keyword Tool show as far as monthly searches for that keyword (exact and broad matches)? Are you getting 12 visitors from a combination of keywords for that page or mostly from that main keyword for that page?

        Can you let us know if the keyword you are ranking for the internal page is in the format of "city niche", "niche in city" , "niche city", etc.?

        By the way how did you contact the businesses to land a client for that page..email...cold call...direct mail..etc.?
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by gecko1 View Post

          Just wanted to chime in here and
          give an update on using Rande's method:

          What I have:
          Have a site in the heating and air conditioning niche.

          I have the main city home page and a page for about 5 areas around
          the main city for the niche. (I don't have content on al the area pages yet,
          just created the pages as place holders).

          I have content on the home page
          (this takes longer to rank but I'm in the middle of pg 2 and climbing.

          I have content on the NORTH area page which is already on pg one bouncing
          in between spots 1 and 5.

          I have content on the DOWNTOWN area which is already on pg two bouncing
          in between spots 1 and 5 as well.

          ----
          Results so far:
          Rented the North area page for 99/mo! I am currently getting about 12 visitors to that page a day so it does get traffic.

          what I'm going to do now is take the first month's rent and use it all to create
          content for the rest of the pages and bring them up to pg 1.

          Hope this helps anyone looking in to this model.

          Just do it!
          I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HAPPY FOR YOU

          This is GREAT news and reinforces that this system works! You took an idea, made it happen and now you have cash in your bank every month!!!!

          Ok, scaling time! Good to see you have a strategy in place to rank more pages, then more sites .... you will have cash rolling in every month!!!!

          Originally Posted by legrandbagley View Post

          I think a lot of this is personality. It can be hard to get in the door, but if you are friendly it is much easier.
          Yes, I have 2 daughters and one of their favorite movies is "Mega Mind" well there is a line in it and I think it is fitting here....

          http://youtu.be/ErY6CwsV2Ow

          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          That page that you have rented are getting 12 visitors a day what did the Google Keyword Tool show as far as monthly searches for that keyword (exact and broad matches)? Are you getting 12 visitors from a combination of keywords for that page or mostly from that main keyword for that page?

          Can you let us know if the keyword you are ranking for the internal page is in the format of "city niche", "niche in city" , "niche city", etc.?

          By the way how did you contact the businesses to land a client for that page..email...cold call...direct mail..etc.?
          I rent a page that has 0 searches in GKT it gets about 20-50 hits per month its ultra laser targeted Town + Trade

          GKT is great but its not gospel
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        • Profile picture of the author gecko1
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          That page that you have rented are getting 12 visitors a day what did the Google Keyword Tool show as far as monthly searches for that keyword (exact and broad matches)? Are you getting 12 visitors from a combination of keywords for that page or mostly from that main keyword for that page?

          Can you let us know if the keyword you are ranking for the internal page is in the format of "city niche", "niche in city" , "niche city", etc.?

          By the way how did you contact the businesses to land a client for that page..email...cold call...direct mail..etc.?
          mrtrance

          Google KW tool shows "Zero" searches. Going by experience with other rental sites I have, having Zero searches means nothing. I use it as a base then I see what google suggest when I type searches.

          Visitors are landing on that page that is ranking spot #1 right now.

          The page is not the home page, but a page about the north area of the major city I'm targeting. so it's "north"+"city"+niche

          I landed the client by calling and showing.

          hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author enavagate
    Originally Posted by Rande View Post

    Hiya Offline Warrior

    I just started renting out web space and it as been no problem at all. My site as ranked very well top 3 positions for the keywords I target. I pick business to call 3 ways

    1) On page 3 or worse on google
    2) Advertising on adwords but not organically
    3) Advertising in yellow pages (big glossy ads) but websites not ranking organically in first 2 pages

    The second 2 are usually very interested because they are already spending money. Me and my husband have tried scripts but what seems to work best is a natural conversation, but you keep the control by asking leading questions. Also business owners love talking about themselves or rather their business and how to get more customers, so that is always the main focus! You must emphasis THEIR business and WIIFM (what in it for me)

    If the business owner does not seem chatty then send them and email and/or a letter. Screen shot your ranking vs screen shot their current ranking and add a catchy headline "Need more customers? Call me to skyrocket your sales - no risk!" Then email or post or both. I always put on their that I will call them on a particular day and I do it!


    Another point is lead capture..... if they are not interested now then at least get them on your list so you can continue to market to them. Create a product to give away in exchange for their email. It does not need to be anything too flash but it must focus on their business and the internet. Include some facts and figures then some tips. You want it to sound like you know what you are talking about here and position yourself as an authority in all things IM. What I have done is set up a squeeze page specifically for this with just an opt in form and a title ... from memory its something like "Claim your FREE ebook 27 Internet Marketing Must Haves For Your Business" Then I just send them the link to that page in my email.

    I hope this helps some warriors. I KNOW this works, this is exactly what I do and it works a treat!

    Emma
    Great advice, I really like the idea that you have a site you already got ranked and can compare it to!
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  • Profile picture of the author legrandbagley
    I think a lot of this is personality. It can be hard to get in the door, but if you are friendly it is much easier.
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    Thanks for the tips ;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnRaja
    You need to search a good company for it.. Research over Internet and find out the comments about the company before hiring.. Also show how much satisfied clients it has and what feedbacks and testimonials different individuals has gave it..
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    • Profile picture of the author dic
      I have nothing to add other than thank you for all the ideas, Rande & everyone else! I'll start doing this ASAP and get back to you with my results
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  • Profile picture of the author ahakh
    Hey. I've decided to do a rent a page for my area. I've been researching varoius trade niches but i've come across this problem

    For the keyword {big city+ niche}-- there are a lot of google places to compete with
    for the keyword {smaller city+niche}--the competition is was easier but there are still about 3-6 google places

    I want some suggestions. Should I still go for it? Is there a chance that I can out do these google places?

    I was also thinking of putting my website on "google places"
    my idea is registering a local number that I can forward the calls to the client, and use my house as an address...what do you think? is it feasible?

    I was also thinking of doing google places, as I see alot of companies don't have them. Can someone point me to a place I can learn exactly how to do it. What rates do you guys normally charge for google places ?
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  • Profile picture of the author maricelu
    Nice discussion going on here. I have an idea and I'll make sure to implement it asap. I think to make a lead gen site ranking for a keyword like keyword+keyword+city (i.e. "emergency vat london" or whatever) and then to start getting email leads. As soon as I'll get an email I'll call out businesses to ask if they're interested in a free lead. They should be crazy not to accept my proposal and if they'll convert this lead I'm going to propose them a monthly subscription for my site. I will charge depending of the value of lead and niche. I donno if this was shared here already but I think it sounds good, let's try.
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    • Profile picture of the author gecko1
      maricelu

      that is how I was able to rent a site to an attorney. Gave them about 3 or 4 phone/email leads so they could try the quality of the leads.

      That way they knew what they were getting so it was an easy sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Austin357
    Rande,

    Very nice post with some helpful information.

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    AWESOME thread Rande. This is one of those strategies that really anybody can do and the best part is that if you set up a good system, you can really leverage the heck out of it.

    Thanks for the awesome share!
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by Blindbiz View Post

      We do it the same way using videos, articles and web pages on the site. There has to be an easier way!

      What do you mean - This is easy!

      Originally Posted by ahakh View Post

      Hey. I've decided to do a rent a page for my area. I've been researching varoius trade niches but i've come across this problem

      For the keyword {big city+ niche}-- there are a lot of google places to compete with
      for the keyword {smaller city+niche}--the competition is was easier but there are still about 3-6 google places

      I want some suggestions. Should I still go for it? Is there a chance that I can out do these google places?

      I was also thinking of putting my website on "google places"
      my idea is registering a local number that I can forward the calls to the client, and use my house as an address...what do you think? is it feasible?

      I was also thinking of doing google places, as I see alot of companies don't have them. Can someone point me to a place I can learn exactly how to do it. What rates do you guys normally charge for google places ?
      Not sure of the legalities of mass renting google places, you will need to research, but that would be MEGA easy to rent out

      It is def possible to outrank google places, just convince the search engines that your site is highly relevant. I have seen all sorts of crazy google places and websites ranking before and in ht middle of a google places pack. Anyone who says its not possible is lying or dont know otherwise.

      EXAMPLE OF WEBSITES OUTRANKING GP

      Originally Posted by maricelu View Post

      Nice discussion going on here. I have an idea and I'll make sure to implement it asap. I think to make a lead gen site ranking for a keyword like keyword+keyword+city (i.e. "emergency vat london" or whatever) and then to start getting email leads. As soon as I'll get an email I'll call out businesses to ask if they're interested in a free lead. They should be crazy not to accept my proposal and if they'll convert this lead I'm going to propose them a monthly subscription for my site. I will charge depending of the value of lead and niche. I donno if this was shared here already but I think it sounds good, let's try.
      That is exactly what this thread is about

      Originally Posted by gecko1 View Post

      maricelu

      that is how I was able to rent a site to an attorney. Gave them about 3 or 4 phone/email leads so they could try the quality of the leads.

      That way they knew what they were getting so it was an easy sell.


      Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

      AWESOME thread Rande. This is one of those strategies that really anybody can do and the best part is that if you set up a good system, you can really leverage the heck out of it.

      Thanks for the awesome share!
      You are most welcome Kenster
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    With so many people searching for a magic bullet for instant success it's refreshing to know that working at something simple and smart still works just fine. Thanks for your informative post. Here's to your continued success...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mirnes
    Great thread Emma. I downloaded your free ebok and some great info in there as well.
    One question. What do you do with content if you are targeting for example plumbers in a few different cities. Do you have unique content for each city/site?

    Also, what about other pages on same site? Unique content on all sites and pages?

    Thanks
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    Hi Rande

    What Terms and Conditions/ Privacy policies are used, or is there a template that can I find for using the renting business model.
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by Mirnes View Post

      One question. What do you do with content if you are targeting for example plumbers in a few different cities. Do you have unique content for each city/site?

      Also, what about other pages on same site? Unique content on all sites and pages?

      Thanks
      Hey! I have tried have unique and dup content on my sites and had different results.

      Target different towns and use unique content. You can pick up articles for $3 here on warrior, get some rewritten and then ask them to rewrite them aswell, that way you are purposing the articles to the max!

      Originally Posted by Teez View Post

      Hi Rande

      What Terms and Conditions/ Privacy policies are used, or is there a template that can I find for using the renting business model.
      Yes there is a plug in (for WP) for that, actually there are multiple
      here is a link....

      Privacy policy for word press

      Check that it meets your requirements before using it, but there are more choices available if you look here

      Loads of FREE plug-ins

      Take care

      Emma
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      • Profile picture of the author Teez
        Originally Posted by Rande View Post

        Hey! I have tried have unique and dup content on my sites and had different results.

        Target different towns and use unique content. You can pick up articles for $3 here on warrior, get some rewritten and then ask them to rewrite them aswell, that way you are purposing the articles to the max!



        Yes there is a plug in (for WP) for that, actually there are multiple
        here is a link....

        Privacy policy for word press

        Check that it meets your requirements before using it, but there are more choices available if you look here

        Loads of FREE plug-ins

        Take care

        Emma


        Hi Emma thanks for that muchos gracias.

        I actually meant as in the terms conditions/ policy including stuff about the banners intellectual property provided to you i.e. a licence given to you by the ''tenant'' to use their pics (if and when you use them)

        How you structure termination I know from your blueprint you say termination is 30 days notice etc.

        I googled ad space terms so I have an idea but I wanted to know if you had any templates in particular you started off with or always use that sort of thing
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    • Profile picture of the author llb157
      Hello Emma, this is a great thread and i'm currently in the process of ranking a few websites for rental within Australia. I find the whole thing very exciting!

      I have a few questions which i hope you could answer.

      I have a website which is named trade+major city.

      1. I always get 0 serach results when using GKWT for 'exact' when looking for trade+larger suburb within city. i try many different combinations of suburbs but can't find anything.

      Would you suggest just selecting a 4-5 larger suburbs within a city and using them as the pages on the website even though GKWT says 0 searchs per month?

      2. For websites within australia (which is what i'm focusing on) do you use .com.au or just .com

      3. what backlinking services do you use (you could PM if you don't want to display it publicly)

      Thanks.
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        I just started using Rockstar Adi which was recommend by Emma. So far so good. U should go check him out!
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by khengo View Post

          Hi Emma,

          Would you wait for ur website to be on the first page before renting it out or could you generate calls to ur number by placing on classifieds etc and start get leads and passing them through to potential businesses while waiting for ur rankings to go up?

          What do u think?

          Thanks
          Kheng
          Absolutely! Or rank a video? Get qualified traffic and by diversifying you are setting up a really solid lead structure

          Originally Posted by llb157 View Post

          Hello Emma, this is a great thread and i'm currently in the process of ranking a few websites for rental within Australia. I find the whole thing very exciting!

          I have a few questions which i hope you could answer.

          I have a website which is named trade+major city.

          1. I always get 0 serach results when using GKWT for 'exact' when looking for trade+larger suburb within city. i try many different combinations of suburbs but can't find anything.

          Would you suggest just selecting a 4-5 larger suburbs within a city and using them as the pages on the website even though GKWT says 0 searchs per month?

          2. For websites within australia (which is what i'm focusing on) do you use .com.au or just .com

          3. what backlinking services do you use (you could PM if you don't want to display it publicly)

          Thanks.
          Hiya!

          When using GKWT it normally has searches only for the city plus service/trade, the other surrounding areas very rarely show up. But experience tells me that the really tappered down searches are where the buyers are. So I always target the big city because it gets the searches and then the smaller towns surrounding it

          Where ever I can get an EMD I will buy or as close to as possible - so if .com .net or .org are avaialble I buy but it has 0 effect on ranking in .com.au

          I have a firm page 1 position 1 for a .org in google.com.au

          Rock Star Adi is fantastic - good results and good customer service

          I have just started a trial with SEOlink shark (just testing on 1 site to see results) here on warrior, he has good prices, just waiting to see the deliverables and results (I am sure they will come)

          Originally Posted by khengo View Post

          I just started using Rockstar Adi which was recommend by Emma. So far so good. U should go check him out!
          Good to know - He is really top notch IMHO
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    Great job Emma i am always excite to see warriors taking all of this information that we learn and put it into action. Keep up the good work..
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    Great post Emma,
    Grabbed the eBook, but to be honest I've already pasted a lot of this thread into a pdf file of my own for reference.

    A couple of quick things.
    First off how do you compete and feature against Google Places listings.
    From my experience it can be tricky getting above the Magic 7 box and that seems to be where most of the action is.

    I tend to go for your model - directories, listing a limited number of firms, usually a maximum of 2 for each district of a town or city. Much as you have outlined above.

    So what I'll typically do while I'm building the site and getting it ranked, is offer it to a local business with absolutely zero online presence, and throw in a Google Places listing for free.

    You see where I'm going with this?

    The business owner gets a really good bump into the local online world, and my site, that I'll ultimately be opening up for rent, gets a matching Google Places listing.

    Most of the time I'll get their Google Places into the top 3 results, which they love and I'm totally open about this with the owner.

    Once I begin adding more businesses I'll give my pioneer owner a featured page or free site wide ad as a thank you amd to keep them sweet.
    At this point, and this is a real kicker, I then offer my delighted pioneer a website of their own, complete with hosting and maintenance
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  • Profile picture of the author phaproduction
    What sort of volume of Keywords do you aim for? I ranked for "Local Lawyer" and I am waitig for a few more backlinks to get indexed before I rent it out. I want to rent it out to a couple specialized firms, depending on the Law Niche [i.e. Criminal, Divorce etc.].

    Regarding the Keyword volume, right now Ive been searching for other "City Lawyer" or "Lawyer City" for quite high population cities [about 200,000] and I am getting very low exact search results. I understand that a lead is worth X,XXX for the lawyer, but even if I go for Dentist, the search numbers seem surprisingly too low. Anyone got any tips on the keyword research?
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      Originally Posted by PeckhamPirate View Post

      Great post Emma,
      Grabbed the eBook, but to be honest I've already pasted a lot of this thread into a pdf file of my own for reference.

      A couple of quick things.
      First off how do you compete and feature against Google Places listings.
      From my experience it can be tricky getting above the Magic 7 box and that seems to be where most of the action is.

      I tend to go for your model - directories, listing a limited number of firms, usually a maximum of 2 for each district of a town or city. Much as you have outlined above.

      So what I'll typically do while I'm building the site and getting it ranked, is offer it to a local business with absolutely zero online presence, and throw in a Google Places listing for free.

      You see where I'm going with this?

      The business owner gets a really good bump into the local online world, and my site, that I'll ultimately be opening up for rent, gets a matching Google Places listing.

      Most of the time I'll get their Google Places into the top 3 results, which they love and I'm totally open about this with the owner.

      Once I begin adding more businesses I'll give my pioneer owner a featured page or free site wide ad as a thank you amd to keep them sweet.
      At this point, and this is a real kicker, I then offer my delighted pioneer a website of their own, complete with hosting and maintenance
      Lovin' It
      I agree with what you are saying about GP that's where the love is, the top 3 positions on any web search is GOLD

      It is totally possible to get above GP, in this thread I showed an example of it. Its the same recipe as BL, just make sure they are relevant and include loads of directory listings.

      I would def be trying to get the website to outrank GP make this a priority, that way your real estate is optimally placed and your tenant will not want to move!!

      Emma

      Originally Posted by phaproduction View Post

      What sort of volume of Keywords do you aim for? I ranked for "Local Lawyer" and I am waitig for a few more backlinks to get indexed before I rent it out. I want to rent it out to a couple specialized firms, depending on the Law Niche [i.e. Criminal, Divorce etc.].

      Regarding the Keyword volume, right now Ive been searching for other "City Lawyer" or "Lawyer City" for quite high population cities [about 200,000] and I am getting very low exact search results. I understand that a lead is worth X,XXX for the lawyer, but even if I go for Dentist, the search numbers seem surprisingly too low. Anyone got any tips on the keyword research?
      Try searching like this (big town) + niche make sure you are looking for exact matches. Very low searches in local is still good as it is sooooo laser targeted, these people know what they want and they know where they want to find it!

      I rented a site and the page that was getting loads of traffic did not even register on GKWT so although it helps its not gospel

      Em
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  • Profile picture of the author phaproduction
    Interesting...what sort of numbers do u look for then in GAdwords Keyword Tool? If the competition is superlow, then it would make sense just to buy ads on the front page?
    Low competition means easily on the 1st page, BUT there is always Google places and Yelp...

    Thanks for your input
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  • Profile picture of the author link82
    This question is for Emma or anyone who has succeeded in renting out a couple of sites. Since I am putting together the steps to do this, I can see some common objections being put forth. Now, keep in mind, the ultimate goal is to rent out the site. Can I include it in a package in which their site is promoted as well? Yes, but main goal is just get the site rented.

    I will attempt to answer these myself but would love for someone more experienced to answer them as well.

    1. Why should I rent from you? Why can't you work on my site? [Why shouldn't I invest in my own site for a [$1k/month | whatever you are charging] instead of yours?

    Frankly, your website is on page _. [Alternatively, you don't have a website & I can add the upfront fee of $4k-6k of development]. Ranking a site on page one for your intended keyphrases could take easily anywhere from 3-6 months or more depending on the competition.

    This site is already on page 1 for several keyphrases which means your business will receive exposure from the moment you rent it from us. You don't have to wait 3-6 months to get those new clients.

    2. How many new clients a month do you guarantee?

    I can't make any guarantees. If anyone does, be cautious because no one can guarantee where on page 1 there site will land, how many people will visit the site that day and how many will end up calling you.

    The idea is simple: we do the hard work of ranking the site. The site will be on page 1 of Google (and usually we can get the site in top 2 results but no guarantees) for keyphrases that people are using to find services like yours. When someone looks for a service like yours, they will be able to see the site.

    But if you're not on page 1, they don't know that your business even exists!

    3. Why should I rent from you without a guarantee?

    Because anyone offering you a guarantee is just doing so for their interest of getting a cheque from you. I don't own Google so I can't guarantee how their updates will affect my sites (negative or positive). But we do our best to get you the exposure in Google (& other search engines) because you are on a monthly contract with us. We know that if we don't deliver, you can walk away any time. However, if we deliver (and we know we can , we know we are helping you get clients and you will stay with us.


    I like to be prepared so if you have come across any other objections, I'd love to hear them. I don't want my answers to be sales-man-sy [no offense] so please critique and give pointers. I'll be happy to take 'em.

    And this thread rocks... Thanks Emma.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mirnes
      Originally Posted by link82 View Post

      This question is for Emma or anyone who has succeeded in renting out a couple of sites. Since I am putting together the steps to do this, I can see some common objections being put forth. Now, keep in mind, the ultimate goal is to rent out the site. Can I include it in a package in which their site is promoted as well? Yes, but main goal is just get the site rented.

      I will attempt to answer these myself but would love for someone more experienced to answer them as well.

      1. Why should I rent from you? Why can't you work on my site? [Why shouldn't I invest in my own site for a [$1k/month | whatever you are charging] instead of yours?

      Frankly, your website is on page _. [Alternatively, you don't have a website & I can add the upfront fee of $4k-6k of development]. Ranking a site on page one for your intended keyphrases could take easily anywhere from 3-6 months or more depending on the competition.

      This site is already on page 1 for several keyphrases which means your business will receive exposure from the moment you rent it from us. You don't have to wait 3-6 months to get those new clients.

      2. How many new clients a month do you guarantee?

      I can't make any guarantees. If anyone does, be cautious because no one can guarantee where on page 1 there site will land, how many people will visit the site that day and how many will end up calling you.

      The idea is simple: we do the hard work of ranking the site. The site will be on page 1 of Google (and usually we can get the site in top 2 results but no guarantees) for keyphrases that people are using to find services like yours. When someone looks for a service like yours, they will be able to see the site.

      But if you're not on page 1, they don't know that your business even exists!

      3. Why should I rent from you without a guarantee?

      Because anyone offering you a guarantee is just doing so for their interest of getting a cheque from you. I don't own Google so I can't guarantee how their updates will affect my sites (negative or positive). But we do our best to get you the exposure in Google (& other search engines) because you are on a monthly contract with us. We know that if we don't deliver, you can walk away any time. However, if we deliver (and we know we can , we know we are helping you get clients and you will stay with us.


      I like to be prepared so if you have come across any other objections, I'd love to hear them. I don't want my answers to be sales-man-sy [no offense] so please critique and give pointers. I'll be happy to take 'em.

      And this thread rocks... Thanks Emma.
      Those answers are good and can be used when trying to sell them on SEO. Also, if they say why not spend money on their site then certainly do so and also offer them your site for a discounted price so they get instant results while their site climbs up the ranks.

      Explain to them that this way they will have two spots on Google and will increase their chances of potential client calling them.
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    • Profile picture of the author gecko1
      This counters are great and right on!

      What you are doing here is managing expectations.

      I have done some free sites for customers and tell them that it is a free 3 page 4 picture website. It will be clean and very modern and professional. Then they want all the bells and whistles, when you mention the additional costs they go back to your original offer.

      On the sites that I rent out, I never tell them that they got "X" amount of calls or this or that.
      I do show them the traffic of unique visitors and the position on the search engines. Even when my rentals are not spot #1 they still get calls. So just manage expectations and you will be happy because your customer will be happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author kls1
    Hi Emma

    I have been reading your thread for a while now and i have just read your PDF on web rentals.
    I think this is really great info and i am about to take action and jump in to try this myself.I have a couple of questions which i hope you will answer for me regarding,

    1- Do you rent out ALL of the site to 1 renter, or do you build them to rent out each page to a different local business, as the PDF talks about renting each site for the example price of 250 per month but the Warrior thread talks about you renting out 5-7 pages for about 100 dollars per page, or do you do both,if both which do think is easier to do for a noonbie to this.

    2-Regarding the video that you put on all pages of the site, is this a video about generic Plumbing tips for example or is a video more specific to the renter of that pages businesses.
    Do you optimise the video and add it to You Tube or just have it located on the renters page.

    3- Call to action how many do you have on a page and are they the usual call this number, email us now. Also do you offer any incentive to email us ie, email us to get your Free Plumbing ebook etc..

    4- Do you offer any call me back later type features on your sites so the Plumber can call the customer back later.

    5-Is there a generic page layout that works for most trades ie, Plumbers, Roofers etc or is it test, test, test. What is your favourite page layout.

    6-What info do you capture using the Contact us form 7 ie name ,email, phone number, what their problem is that they need a quote for.

    7- On each renters page do you have navigation links to the other renters pages on the same site or just have a link to the home page on each page.

    Sorry there are so many questions.
    Thanks in advance and keep up the good work

    KLS1
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  • Profile picture of the author K Kumar
    Is anyone using a terms of agreement form? NOT a contract, just a document that says things like "No guarantee of rankings" etc.

    I think it'd be best have the client sign some kind of form so we'll be protected legally. Lets not forget this is a very sue happy country...

    Does anyone here use such a document?
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    • Profile picture of the author link82
      Originally Posted by Superman1 View Post

      Is anyone using a terms of agreement form? NOT a contract, just a document that says things like "No guarantee of rankings" etc.

      I think it'd be best have the client sign some kind of form so we'll be protected legally. Lets not forget this is a very sue happy country...

      Does anyone here use such a document?
      Some sort of contract would be good to have. I like to cover my butt. So yeah, does anyone have one they can share?

      Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
        Originally Posted by link82 View Post

        Some sort of contract would be good to have. I like to cover my butt. So yeah, does anyone have one they can share?

        Thanks.
        I don't do SEO, but in my lead generation business I simply state that I don't guarantee results (as you said) I don't have a contract, just a basic Statement of Services form (received it from a wso.) You just basically go over the services you will be providing, any refund policies, etc..

        As long as you have it in writing in some form you should be fine. Just make sure they know that you don't guarantee results and keep a copy for yourself so they can't come back later and say you said something that you didn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author K Kumar
          Originally Posted by Deidra Renee View Post

          I don't do SEO, but in my lead generation business I simply state that I don't guarantee results (as you said) I don't have a contract, just a basic Statement of Services form (received it from a wso.) You just basically go over the services you will be providing, any refund policies, etc..

          As long as you have it in writing in some form you should be fine. Just make sure they know that you don't guarantee results and keep a copy for yourself so they can't come back later and say you said something that you didn't.
          Do you have a link to that WSO?

          I'm not a legal expert so this stuff is new to me - if I create my own form in word and have that signed by the client, is it a "legally valid/real document"?
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          • Profile picture of the author Teez
            Originally Posted by Superman1 View Post

            Do you have a link to that WSO?

            I'm not a legal expert so this stuff is new to me - if I create my own form in word and have that signed by the client, is it a "legally valid/real document"?
            Yes a contract between you and customer or a terms of agreements you have created is binding.

            I believe You can add in an email by signing up to my www.rentedsite.com you agree to these terms of service and hyper link the Terms and Services so it goes to the page on you site about the terms and services.
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      Originally Posted by Superman1 View Post

      Is anyone using a terms of agreement form? NOT a contract, just a document that says things like "No guarantee of rankings" etc.

      I think it'd be best have the client sign some kind of form so we'll be protected legally. Lets not forget this is a very sue happy country...

      Does anyone here use such a document?
      I too was after bthis but I think the solution is to google templates or sample terms and services and tweak them appropriately
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    Someone writed in another thread, that he is speaking with prospect about his theme, describing all bell and whistles, and it may convert to sale, because prospect see your professionalism.
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by phaproduction View Post

      Interesting...what sort of numbers do u look for then in GAdwords Keyword Tool? If the competition is superlow, then it would make sense just to buy ads on the front page?
      Low competition means easily on the 1st page, BUT there is always Google places and Yelp...

      Thanks for your input
      Yes, GP and Yelp are normally always on page 1 - Optimising your website onpage and offpage make this a non-issue.

      Most GP are not optimised correctly and you can def rank above them

      Originally Posted by link82 View Post

      This question is for Emma or anyone who has succeeded in renting out a couple of sites. Since I am putting together the steps to do this, I can see some common objections being put forth. Now, keep in mind, the ultimate goal is to rent out the site. Can I include it in a package in which their site is promoted as well? Yes, but main goal is just get the site rented.

      I will attempt to answer these myself but would love for someone more experienced to answer them as well.

      1. Why should I rent from you? Why can't you work on my site? [Why shouldn't I invest in my own site for a [$1k/month | whatever you are charging] instead of yours?

      Frankly, your website is on page _. [Alternatively, you don't have a website & I can add the upfront fee of $4k-6k of development]. Ranking a site on page one for your intended keyphrases could take easily anywhere from 3-6 months or more depending on the competition.

      This site is already on page 1 for several keyphrases which means your business will receive exposure from the moment you rent it from us. You don't have to wait 3-6 months to get those new clients.

      2. How many new clients a month do you guarantee?

      I can't make any guarantees. If anyone does, be cautious because no one can guarantee where on page 1 there site will land, how many people will visit the site that day and how many will end up calling you.

      The idea is simple: we do the hard work of ranking the site. The site will be on page 1 of Google (and usually we can get the site in top 2 results but no guarantees) for keyphrases that people are using to find services like yours. When someone looks for a service like yours, they will be able to see the site.

      But if you're not on page 1, they don't know that your business even exists!

      3. Why should I rent from you without a guarantee?

      Because anyone offering you a guarantee is just doing so for their interest of getting a cheque from you. I don't own Google so I can't guarantee how their updates will affect my sites (negative or positive). But we do our best to get you the exposure in Google (& other search engines) because you are on a monthly contract with us. We know that if we don't deliver, you can walk away any time. However, if we deliver (and we know we can , we know we are helping you get clients and you will stay with us.


      I like to be prepared so if you have come across any other objections, I'd love to hear them. I don't want my answers to be sales-man-sy [no offense] so please critique and give pointers. I'll be happy to take 'em.

      And this thread rocks... Thanks Emma.
      Thanks!

      I have found that changing the direction of the conversation helps ALOT!

      Instead of saying "I have a website on page 1 do you want to rent it" Ask them if they need more clients or customers, or what would x calls a months traslate into $$ for their business? Ask leading questions, and then present the solution .... YOU! You are a lead generation sepcialiset who has clients waiting for their business look *insert google analytic report* and you can show them how many visitors the site is getting

      If they want to buy the site off you then price it in your best interest.
      Many SEO companies will end up charging thousands of dollars for SEO not to mention web design. I wouldn't take any less than $5000 depending on the niche and I would recommend that they continue on a monthly maintenance plan to keep rankings. But, it is your business and you need to make the best decision for you!

      Originally Posted by 4morereferrals View Post

      ... in Australia ....
      LOL

      I have several rentals in USA so its not limited to Australia

      Originally Posted by kls1 View Post

      Hi Emma

      I have been reading your thread for a while now and i have just read your PDF on web rentals.
      I think this is really great info and i am about to take action and jump in to try this myself.I have a couple of questions which i hope you will answer for me regarding,

      1- Do you rent out ALL of the site to 1 renter, or do you build them to rent out each page to a different local business, as the PDF talks about renting each site for the example price of 250 per month but the Warrior thread talks about you renting out 5-7 pages for about 100 dollars per page, or do you do both,if both which do think is easier to do for a noonbie to this.

      2-Regarding the video that you put on all pages of the site, is this a video about generic Plumbing tips for example or is a video more specific to the renter of that pages businesses.
      Do you optimise the video and add it to You Tube or just have it located on the renters page.

      3- Call to action how many do you have on a page and are they the usual call this number, email us now. Also do you offer any incentive to email us ie, email us to get your Free Plumbing ebook etc..

      4- Do you offer any call me back later type features on your sites so the Plumber can call the customer back later.

      5-Is there a generic page layout that works for most trades ie, Plumbers, Roofers etc or is it test, test, test. What is your favourite page layout.

      6-What info do you capture using the Contact us form 7 ie name ,email, phone number, what their problem is that they need a quote for.

      7- On each renters page do you have navigation links to the other renters pages on the same site or just have a link to the home page on each page.

      Sorry there are so many questions.
      Thanks in advance and keep up the good work

      KLS1
      I might PM and make you a quick video to explain a few things... just give me a little bit and I will shoot it over to you

      Originally Posted by Superman1 View Post

      Is anyone using a terms of agreement form? NOT a contract, just a document that says things like "No guarantee of rankings" etc.

      I think it'd be best have the client sign some kind of form so we'll be protected legally. Lets not forget this is a very sue happy country...

      Does anyone here use such a document?
      Yes, there are loads of places and warriors for hire that can write one for you... totally pro. I think Johnny Ramone makes contracts (not sure of spelling)

      Originally Posted by RichardDin View Post

      Giving away something for free is probably the best strategy to get customers.
      Someone writed in another thread, that he is speaking with prospect about his theme, describing all bell and whistles, and it may convert to sale, because prospect see your professionalism.
      Yep - good strategy - maybe offer a facebook fanpage as a bonus???
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    hi Emma
    a video would be fantastic.cant wait for your PM.

    Thanks

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      I would like to see a video as well.

      Thanks...
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    Anybody tried using an old piece of software called Fast Directory Submitter? It's not quite auto pilot but it's easier than building your own citations and feeding off of WhiteSpark.
    I know you'll still need a good few high quality Citations, but maybe it helps with the numbers...

    Just wandering if the rather low quality of many of the directories it posts to are actually of any value as Citations.

    I'm skeptical but I'll monitor the results over coming weeks and keep everyone posted.

    One more thing, re the points about Duplicate content.
    I have a couple of directory style sites and here is what's working for me:

    Write yourself a really nice and tight 3-400 word article about your keyword (presuming you use the 'Keyword in City' model of naming your sites and use towns or boroughs for categories).
    I replace sub-town or category name with XXXX and then spin the article.

    At the bottom of every business's page, well below the company info, contact details pictures, videos and Google Map I'll paste in one spun version of my article, adding the city name and sub-town.
    Example. Plumbers in Brooklyn, New York.

    This pretty much takes care of my seo, bumps up (usually bosses) local search results and also gives each page enough of a word count to impress the Big G.
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  • Profile picture of the author payoman
    Hey Emma,

    Wow. This thread is boggling my mind right now. Nearly every post is bursting with great information. But I have a couple ideas of my own I'd like to share and get your input on :

    1. Isn't this entire process basically turning the first few organic results of Google into your own PPC? I mean, that's all it is right? Someone goes to Google looking for 'Brisbane Tiler' and one of the first organic results is simply the same thing as clicking a PPC Ad, except it's within the organic results?

    If I am correct in the above, don't you think Google might catch onto this and do something about it? I suppose it's fair game if you think about it, but we are always at Google's mercy when it comes to things like this. Then again, I could just have no clue haha I am fairly new at all this.

    2. Have you thought about scaling this process up? You could create a step-by-step list of setting up a site, doing the niche/keyword research etc and hire people to do all the site listing/cold calling/marketing. What are your thoughts on expanding?
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  • Profile picture of the author kls1
    Hi Emma

    thanks for your email but the link it contains is not live to the warchest.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author kls1
    Hi Emma
    i know you are busy so sorry to bother you.
    is it possible to get the video you were talking about as really keen to get on with this.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    Emma-

    Do you always try to outrank google places? If so, do you secure clients before or after that happens?

    Thanks.
    -STD
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by kls1 View Post

      hi Emma
      a video would be fantastic.cant wait for your PM.

      Thanks

      keith
      Hiya! Sorry for the delay we have been travelling and guess who left the laptop on the plane??? (my husband) lol

      I said I would do a demo site and I will ..... I will do some KWR and get moving on this tonight, in fact I think I have some domains waiting to be developed so I could always use one of them, will take a look tonight and I will make the first video and post it here for everyone to see

      Originally Posted by TheCG View Post

      I would like to see a video as well.

      Thanks...
      Ok, see above

      Originally Posted by PeckhamPirate View Post

      Anybody tried using an old piece of software called Fast Directory Submitter? It's not quite auto pilot but it's easier than building your own citations and feeding off of WhiteSpark.
      I know you'll still need a good few high quality Citations, but maybe it helps with the numbers...

      Just wandering if the rather low quality of many of the directories it posts to are actually of any value as Citations.

      I'm skeptical but I'll monitor the results over coming weeks and keep everyone posted.

      One more thing, re the points about Duplicate content.
      I have a couple of directory style sites and here is what's working for me:

      Write yourself a really nice and tight 3-400 word article about your keyword (presuming you use the 'Keyword in City' model of naming your sites and use towns or boroughs for categories).
      I replace sub-town or category name with XXXX and then spin the article.

      At the bottom of every business's page, well below the company info, contact details pictures, videos and Google Map I'll paste in one spun version of my article, adding the city name and sub-town.
      Example. Plumbers in Brooklyn, New York.

      This pretty much takes care of my seo, bumps up (usually bosses) local search results and also gives each page enough of a word count to impress the Big G.
      Very interested to hear about your results - make sure you take screen shots and test and measure!

      Originally Posted by kls1 View Post

      Hi Emma
      i know you are busy so sorry to bother you.
      is it possible to get the video you were talking about as really keen to get on with this.

      Thanks
      I PROMISE I will

      Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

      Emma-

      Do you always try to outrank google places? If so, do you secure clients before or after that happens?

      Thanks.
      -STD
      I prefer to outrank GP for maximum clicks but honestly it depends on your business - if you need fast cash, get it ranked on the first page anywhere then rent and tell businesses the higher the sites ranks the more you will ask for it - you know - get in on the ground level and benefit.

      Or if you need a cash injection then flip for lump sum

      The business will benefit most when ranking in positions 1-3 so keep that in mind when billing

      Good luck

      Emma
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  • Profile picture of the author Teez
    To everyone who is using this method Id like to ask about how you receive your money.

    I know there are some warnings about paypal changing its policies with regards to service providers.

    The initial idea was to use Paypal Subcription and just set up 3 different subscription buttons as my method to set up recurring billings.

    So To demonstrate (not real figures)
    subscription package 1 = £1
    subscription package 2 = £2
    substciption package 3 = £3

    Now reading through this thread I see freshbooks is a solution offered and they use paypal too.

    But from what I gather on the site so doesn't that kinda still mean that I would be better off using the paypal subscription on its own instead of using freshbooks.

    Because Freshbooks cost = monthly fee of freshbooks + paypal fees.

    Paypal Cost = Just Paypal Fees.

    I'd like to hear any thoughts, advice, alternatives e.t.c as I'm sure everyone will benefit from this.

    P.S I'm looking at this from a UK perspective.
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  • Profile picture of the author iInvent
    Hello warriors!!

    I'm half-new to this board! I was a previous member but the email I used is no longer in use. Long story short - I create a new login!

    I found this post last night and, wow! I could barely sleep last night!

    I had this idea of working with local companies to create a presence on the web through FB and other means. And then I thought, "how could I create a low cost web for them, even it was just a page?"... When you ask, you shall receive! THANK YOU!

    My questions:

    1) why rent out just a few pages?
    Let's say I aim for plumbers and I get 20 plumbers interested, can I not have 20 pages to rent under one domain?

    2) do all of you use Wordpress? I was thinking of hiring a student in web design to help out (I'm no web designer!)

    3) hosting - best hosting companies? (keep in mind that I'm in Canada)

    Again, a big thank you for this post! I'm going forth with buying my domains. My first niche will be local (mom & pop) restaurants. There is a need for sure!
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    • Profile picture of the author iInvent
      I also wonder if it would be possible (if requested by a client) to have his page pointed to a specific available domain... For a higher cost and could include email accounts.
      Just a thought...
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    • Profile picture of the author iInvent
      Originally Posted by iInvent View Post

      Hello warriors!!

      I'm half-new to this board! I was a previous member but the email I used is no longer in use. Long story short - I create a new login!

      I found this post last night and, wow! I could barely sleep last night!

      I had this idea of working with local companies to create a presence on the web through FB and other means. And then I thought, "how could I create a low cost web for them, even it was just a page?"... When you ask, you shall receive! THANK YOU!

      My questions:

      1) why rent out just a few pages?
      Let's say I aim for plumbers and I get 20 plumbers interested, can I not have 20 pages to rent under one domain?

      2) do all of you use Wordpress? I was thinking of hiring a student in web design to help out (I'm no web designer!)

      3) hosting - best hosting companies? (keep in mind that I'm in Canada)

      Again, a big thank you for this post! I'm going forth with buying my domains. My first niche will be local (mom & pop) restaurants. There is a need for sure!
      I got my answer to my 3rd question but I'd really appreciate getting more info on #1 & #2.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
      Originally Posted by iInvent View Post

      Hello warriors!!



      My questions:

      1) why rent out just a few pages?
      Let's say I aim for plumbers and I get 20 plumbers interested, can I not have 20 pages to rent under one domain?

      You can do all the plumbers you want BUT normally the idea behind the site rental is to rank a page high and rent to one client who will pay a premium to be on it.

      You may also segregate them by area as Emma has done with certain pages.

      Some renters use a modified directory format where they do list a number of plumbers and offers a few premium listings.

      2) do all of you use Wordpress? I was thinking of hiring a student in web design to help out (I'm no web designer!)

      Wordpress is the main flavor for marketers because of ease of use and flexibility. Use what you want and most of the rental formats are not based on fancy design but moreso on ranking high and have clean formats with clear call to action.

      Again, a big thank you for this post! I'm going forth with buying my domains. My first niche will be local (mom & pop) restaurants. There is a need for sure!
      A restaurant will be moreso a directory than a rental site. Not saying it wont work if the market is competive for a search like Best Steakhouse in Toronto but in general think you will have a hard time getting a premium price.

      Where as with a nice directory you can have people a number of businesses paying for listings, check out this site and see how they do it Montgomery Restaurants - Montgomery Restaurants is Montgomery, Alabama's premiere dining site with Montgomery Menus, Dining Guide, and much more. , you also can set up like this site
      Montgomery County
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    Hi Emma is this thread now dead?
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      Originally Posted by kls1 View Post

      Hi Emma is this thread now dead?
      She might be busy
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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Emma,

    I have been wanting to do this ever since I first read this thread. I am now in a position where I can focus on it. I am really excited about the concept and I know that I am going to have some fun with it.

    Di
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    • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
      I can't remember if I mentioned it or not on this thread, but I've been having some nice results by adding a free Squidoo lens for each client signing up for my directory sites and also one off local seo customers.

      I saw a free wso on here a few weeks ago explaining it. Can't remenber what the name was and unfortuantely I didn't save it because I already have the system down pat.

      Bottom line, create a nice sexy lense with pics, vid, and Google Maps, finish it with a module called StickyNote and some Call to Action text like 'Come visit us soon' and you're good to go. Use the first module like a Yellow Pages entry, with the business logo, address, phone, email and opening hours.

      It's not rocket surgery
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      • Profile picture of the author Teez
        Originally Posted by PeckhamPirate View Post

        I can't remember if I mentioned it or not on this thread, but I've been having some nice results by adding a free Squidoo lens for each client signing up for my directory sites and also one off local seo customers.

        I saw a free wso on here a few weeks ago explaining it. Can't remenber what the name was and unfortuantely I didn't save it because I already have the system down pat.

        Bottom line, create a nice sexy lense with pics, vid, and Google Maps, finish it with a module called StickyNote and some Call to Action text like 'Come visit us soon' and you're good to go. Use the first module like a Yellow Pages entry, with the business logo, address, phone, email and opening hours.

        It's not rocket surgery
        Ahhh so you mean when you say module = create a lens on some bullet points about the client who has just joined you and add pics?

        Then at the bottom hyperlink back to ur directory site?

        Ive never really used Squidoo so this is a new avenue for me
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        • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
          @Teez
          basically yes.
          be sure to add the sticknote module on too, as it seems to pop up all over the place

          this has been working really well for me, especially with stuff like hotels and restaurants.

          use the first mod as a pure listing - address, phone, etc and a picture
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  • Profile picture of the author Zen Warrior
    Thanks my friends, for all you've shared. I am gleaning some very nice info here.

    And I have found my new method of backlinking these types of sites since the demise of BMR...and, well, article networks in general (besides having your own private network, but mine is a ways away yet--takes time and money)

    Videos and press releases are my main backlinking strategy now, so far it's working well.

    Alright then, carry on me buckos...er, I mean Warriors.

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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
    Hello My Friends!

    Sorry for the late reply and video..... but alas I have made a vid for you on KWR and also show a site that has been badly neglected, typo in the domain name and still in position 11.

    I will use this as a demo site for this thread

    Here is a video just for you!!!

    KEYWORD RESEARCH FOR RENTING A WEBSITE

    I will keep adding to this thread, but please be patient with me if I dont answer back right away!

    I hope everyone had a safe and happy holiday with their friends and family

    Emma
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    • Profile picture of the author sjohn
      Hi Emma,
      Thanks for the video.
      What kind of phone number system do you use to track calls from the sites you rent out?
      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by sjohn View Post

        Hi Emma,
        Thanks for the video.
        What kind of phone number system do you use to track calls from the sites you rent out?
        Thanks

        I have tried a few but have found phone.com has all the features I need and want for my US sites

        You can get TOLL free US number with unlimited extensions plus heaps of other good stuff with it!

        It depends what you are after exactly

        In Australia I just buy a $1 SIM card

        Emma
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        • Profile picture of the author sjohn
          Hi Emma,
          I am based in Australia too.
          Could you please clarify how you use the $1 sim card.
          Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
            Originally Posted by sjohn View Post

            Hi Emma,
            I am based in Australia too.
            Could you please clarify how you use the $1 sim card.
            Thanks

            I set it up, put it on the site and then once rented I forward all calls to the business renting the site

            The other alternative is purchasing a 1800 number - toll free - there are loads of good deals and you can track the number of calls a lot easier

            Emma
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            • Profile picture of the author AussieT
              Originally Posted by EmmaPowell View Post

              I set it up, put it on the site and then once rented I forward all calls to the business renting the site

              The other alternative is purchasing a 1800 number - toll free - there are loads of good deals and you can track the number of calls a lot easier

              Emma
              Could you please go into a liitle bit more details on this Emma.
              Do you have an old phone that you put a $1 sim card in and you list the number oin the site you are going to rent and take the calls personally or use a recording or...? What do you tell them?

              Then when you rent the site you pay extra to have the call forwarded the new number of the client. Correct.

              Any suggestions for 1800 numbers here in Australia? I find it confusing to sift through them all.

              Thanks

              Tom
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              • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
                Originally Posted by AussieT View Post

                Could you please go into a liitle bit more details on this Emma.
                Do you have an old phone that you put a $1 sim card in and you list the number oin the site you are going to rent and take the calls personally or use a recording or...? What do you tell them?

                Then when you rent the site you pay extra to have the call forwarded the new number of the client. Correct.

                Any suggestions for 1800 numbers here in Australia? I find it confusing to sift through them all.

                Thanks

                Tom
                Vodaphone has a $1 SIM card they sell them at most service stations and woolworths etc
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                • Profile picture of the author latinsydney
                  Originally Posted by EmmaPowell View Post

                  Vodaphone has a $1 SIM card they sell them at most service stations and woolworths etc
                  Hi Emma


                  Im about to rent a restaurant site to a client but instead of using the restaurants phone number in the GP listings and on the site I will purchase a virtual phone number for area code for Sydney.(to keep track of calls)


                  What worries me is that I can forward all incoming calls to any mobile, landline or to voicemail but Im the one paying the VOIP account. How do ask the client to pay for his own calls that he receives ?
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                  • Profile picture of the author TheCG
                    Originally Posted by latinsydney View Post

                    Hi Emma


                    Im about to rent a restaurant site to a client but instead of using the restaurants phone number in the GP listings and on the site I will purchase a virtual phone number for area code for Sydney.(to keep track of calls)


                    What worries me is that I can forward all incoming calls to any mobile, landline or to voicemail but Im the one paying the VOIP account. How do ask the client to pay for his own calls that he receives ?
                    If they are getting that many calls/leads off of the site, you should be charging accordingly. That would more than pay for your VOIP bill.
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                  • Profile picture of the author viralmarketing
                    Originally Posted by latinsydney View Post

                    Hi Emma


                    Im about to rent a restaurant site to a client but instead of using the restaurants phone number in the GP listings and on the site I will purchase a virtual phone number for area code for Sydney.(to keep track of calls)


                    What worries me is that I can forward all incoming calls to any mobile, landline or to voicemail but Im the one paying the VOIP account. How do ask the client to pay for his own calls that he receives ?
                    Has anybody had any success using google voice? Im going to test it out on some videos ive started ranking. I set up a # and called it myself and left a vm. I get an email with the # that called and the message i can listen to and in text form.
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                    • Profile picture of the author glooft
                      Google Voice would be fine but you are limited to one number per Google account. I suppose you could set up a bunch of Google accounts and have a number for each one...
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  • Profile picture of the author IMHunter
    Great Method! Thanks for sharing. I have been planning to do something like this too.
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  • Profile picture of the author James.N
    I'm working on a site for this currently and I have a question along with a pretty awesome WP plugin that will help.

    First the question: How many suburbs is too many? For instance I build a site around a larger metropolis city, then I create 15 pages for each suburb around it. Is it essentially stretching the site too thin that each "rental page" won't be getting enough leads?

    I.e. lets say the main site gets 100 visits a day. If I have 4 pages, those 100 sites are only spread among 4 pages instead of 15.

    Anyone have any experience with this or any insight to help me out? I'm going to test the 15 pages first as I'd like to try to rank for each individual city.

    As for the plugin: I wanted to use the Contact Form 7 plugin thats been recommended here and I wanted to use it in a text widget so it would be over on the side with a clear call to action.

    The issue I was running into is that I wanted each page (aka each city) to have its own contact form & phone number. Use the WP Plugin - Widget Logic Visual. This will allow you to have a different widget show for only certain pages.

    Now, if you have 4 separate cities each with their own page on your site, you can create a separate Contact Form. Then add a separate widget with that contact form and a unique forwarding number for each city. It's pretty slick.
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    • Profile picture of the author sjohn
      Originally Posted by quadxnet View Post

      Now, if you have 4 separate cities each with their own page on your site, you can create a separate Contact Form. Then add a separate widget with that contact form and a unique forwarding number for each city. It's pretty slick.
      Thanks for the tip.
      Does this mean you can use Contact Form 7 to forward the email to different clients depending on the page their on?
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      • Profile picture of the author James.N
        Originally Posted by sjohn View Post

        Thanks for the tip.
        Does this mean you can use Contact Form 7 to forward the email to different clients depending on the page their on?
        Yes. You can create a separate form and have each different form show up on different pages. So each separate form can go to a different client.

        This will also allow you to put a different phone number on each page as well if you are using phone numbers for tracking.

        It makes it easy to divide up one site for different clients. That's my only concern now, if I'm essentially dividing it up too much.
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  • Profile picture of the author fuzzycorleone
    I want to do this in another country (smaller market, less competition) but not sure how to go about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author luzhang
    I have learned much from your useful post, thanks a lot. what i want to know is how long it takes for having that keywords group well ranked? thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by fuzzycorleone View Post

      I want to do this in another country (smaller market, less competition) but not sure how to go about this.
      This business model is 100% scalable, it doesn't matter, you can literally apply this to any niche in any city.

      Dont let that hold you back, you can do it!

      AND if you are crazy caught up with that, then there is nothing stopping you from building sites targeted in OS - I do! Like I have said before I live in a very small rural town there is 2000 in town and another 1000 in the surrounding area, I build sites in Australia and OS

      Originally Posted by luzhang View Post

      I have learned much from your useful post, thanks a lot. what i want to know is how long it takes for having that keywords group well ranked? thanks in advance.
      How long is a piece of string???? lol

      It really depends on competition - but normally 30- 120 days using the BL strategy I use
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      • Profile picture of the author j3rki
        Hey Emma,

        I am currently working an a salesletter for listings and site rentals. My idea was to set up a form on my site like www.NICHEinCITY.com/signup which contains everything needed like adress, short describtion of the business, phone number and so on. I will show the cost and put the contractlengh of 1-2 years into the TOS.
        My question is how I should write the salesletter. I cant call them because of a personal problem I dont wanna discuss here

        Thats how Ive done it till now:

        Dear Sir/Madam,

        Im goiung to get straight to the point because I know youre busy. My company owns the website www.NICHEinCITY.com which gets about 2,000 monthly views. To prove the traffic and give you a picture of how the website is looking like Ive attached screenshots to this letter.

        At the moment we are looking for NICHEs which want to rise their customers through the internet and offer listings on our highly frequented website. This services is limited to 10 NICHEs only.

        To signup please visit www.NICHEinCITY.com/signup. Please note how much a new customer is worth and how small the listing fee is.

        King regards

        My Name
        Im from germany so I translated it (hopefully correct).. Do you have any advices?
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        • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
          Originally Posted by j3rki View Post

          Hey Emma,

          I am currently working an a salesletter for listings and site rentals. My idea was to set up a form on my site like www.NICHEinCITY.com/signup which contains everything needed like adress, short describtion of the business, phone number and so on. I will show the cost and put the contractlengh of 1-2 years into the TOS.
          My question is how I should write the salesletter. I cant call them because of a personal problem I dont wanna discuss here

          Thats how Ive done it till now:



          Im from germany so I translated it (hopefully correct).. Do you have any advices?

          Hey!

          Good start! I would probably write it more along the lines of a long sales letter - follow the same anatomy.

          Focus on business owners problems, feel their pain then present them with the solution followed by the benefits directly to them.

          Then follow that up with some scarcity eg: I have sent this exact same letter to 100 other plumbers in Orange County, its a first come, first serve basis..... or something like that. Make it urgent, inject scarcity into the letter.

          Def include proof of traffic and explain what it translates to them

          Best of luck

          Emma
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  • Profile picture of the author robert7777
    Hi Emma,
    It took me few days to read all thread. Thank you for great tips and direction how to speak to business owners.
    You are right in your PDF. Everybody needs to start from their goals first and then stay focused on them. Doing what you described here is most important.
    I have found you on Skype. I hope we can stay connected on Skype.

    Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by robert7777 View Post

      Hi Emma,
      It took me few days to read all thread. Thank you for great tips and direction how to speak to business owners.
      You are right in your PDF. Everybody needs to start from their goals first and then stay focused on them. Doing what you described here is most important.
      I have found you on Skype. I hope we can stay connected on Skype.

      Robert
      Thanks Robert,

      You must have goals to guide your daily action plans otherwise you will end up doing doughnuts

      It really seems there is a lack of goals and planning among IMers - It really lets warriors down

      Good luck on your journey and thanks for your kind words about this thead

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    Hi Emma,
    Could you show us some of your sites, please? I am sure it will answer most of questions warriors posted on this thread. Thank you so much on behalf of everyone.
    Robert
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    • Profile picture of the author 9999
      I have decided to take a try at this. I have purchased city-lawyer dot com. I have found 4 keywords that have major local monthly searches.

      I was thinking of making a 2 page website, 1st page will be the Home page which will include a contact form along with the 4 keywords. The 2nd page will be a contact form.

      I was also thinking that I should target 1 keyword per page and create 4 pages plus a contact page.

      I have looked at all 4 keywords, all website that are ranking on the first page do not have keywords in the title, description, h1 tag. Some may have the keyword in the title but that is about it. Some have their website on the DMOZ and YAHD but that is about it.

      Any tips on what set-up would be best, would it be best to go for all keywords on 1 page or set up 4 pages, targeting 1 keyword per page.

      Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by 9999 View Post

        I have decided to take a try at this. I have purchased city-lawyer dot com. I have found 4 keywords that have major local monthly searches.

        I was thinking of making a 2 page website, 1st page will be the Home page which will include a contact form along with the 4 keywords. The 2nd page will be a contact form.

        I was also thinking that I should target 1 keyword per page and create 4 pages plus a contact page.

        I have looked at all 4 keywords, all website that are ranking on the first page do not have keywords in the title, description, h1 tag. Some may have the keyword in the title but that is about it. Some have their website on the DMOZ and YAHD but that is about it.

        Any tips on what set-up would be best, would it be best to go for all keywords on 1 page or set up 4 pages, targeting 1 keyword per page.

        Thanks.
        I would suggest creating a website where the front page targets the KW with the most searches and for each KW getting traffic dedicate a page to that keyword.

        Mix up the anchor text to keep it random but each page should have its main KW that you want to rank for

        Good on you for taking action on this
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        • Profile picture of the author 9999
          I would suggest creating a website where the front page targets the KW with the most searches and for each KW getting traffic dedicate a page to that keyword.

          Mix up the anchor text to keep it random but each page should have its main KW that you want to rank for
          Thanks for your quick response.

          Seeing how I will have 4 pages, 1 keyword per page. Would you recommend renting this out to 1 lawyer or to 1 lawyer per page? I see the value in both ways.

          Thank you!
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          • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
            Originally Posted by 9999 View Post

            Thanks for your quick response.

            Seeing how I will have 4 pages, 1 keyword per page. Would you recommend renting this out to 1 lawyer or to 1 lawyer per page? I see the value in both ways.

            Thank you!
            That was my idea at first when I first started building these sites, but found it easier to rent to 1 business all the pages

            But there is nothing stopping you from trying that, I am sure it would work - just sell leads in that case maybe not pitch it as renting a website
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            • Profile picture of the author khengo
              Hi Emma,

              Would you wait for ur website to be on the first page before renting it out or could you generate calls to ur number by placing on classifieds etc and start get leads and passing them through to potential businesses while waiting for ur rankings to go up?

              What do u think?

              Thanks
              Kheng
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  • Profile picture of the author wislndixie
    Hello Emma, I've purchased your wso and have been following this thread. I'm very new to this type of marketing and have a couple of questions.
    1. What is the significance of the Cost Per Click? Who pays that?
    2. What is your ideal search candidate? In other words, what makes the best keywords to use?
    Thanks,
    Mike
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    • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
      Originally Posted by wislndixie View Post

      Hello Emma, I've purchased your wso and have been following this thread. I'm very new to this type of marketing and have a couple of questions.
      1. What is the significance of the Cost Per Click? Who pays that?
      2. What is your ideal search candidate? In other words, what makes the best keywords to use?
      Thanks,
      Mike
      Hiya Mike,

      This is straight from Google ....

      Cost-per-click (CPC)

      The cost-per-click (CPC) is the amount you earn each time a user clicks on your ad. The CPC for any ad is determined by the advertiser; some advertisers may be willing to pay more per click than others, depending on what they're advertising

      Essentially the higher the CPC the more potentially more profitable as advertisers are willing to spend money on advertising.... that means customers!!!

      Best keywords have low competition and a minimum 100 searches. Good niches also have high customer value eg: the cost of sale, so for example niches that are commercial, or real estate or pool builders etc

      Hope that helps

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  • Profile picture of the author RD Phoenix
    I find that doing low cost rental over a longer period helps seal the deal but i also include adsense on the sites which i tell them covers hosting costs.
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    • Profile picture of the author moodykitty
      Originally Posted by EmmaPowell View Post

      Thanks Robert,

      You must have goals to guide your daily action plans otherwise you will end up doing doughnuts

      It really seems there is a lack of goals and planning among IMers - It really lets warriors down

      Good luck on your journey and thanks for your kind words about this thead

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      Ouch. so true. I struggle with this so badly!

      Emma, I have a site that needs to be rented out, it's sitting on page 2 right now. I want to set up citations but the business doesn't have a physical address since it's not rented. I hesitate to rent one because then I would have to go and change it on every site once it's rented. Any suggestions for getting the site ranked higher? I have twitter, facebook, manta, youtube with one vid, google+, cl, backpage.
      thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author EmmaPowell
        Originally Posted by moodykitty View Post

        Ouch. so true. I struggle with this so badly!

        Emma, I have a site that needs to be rented out, it's sitting on page 2 right now. I want to set up citations but the business doesn't have a physical address since it's not rented. I hesitate to rent one because then I would have to go and change it on every site once it's rented. Any suggestions for getting the site ranked higher? I have twitter, facebook, manta, youtube with one vid, google+, cl, backpage.
        thanks
        Are you referring to a website?

        You don't need to add an address to the website, I would focus on getting it to page 1 then approach businesses about the leads you are getting.

        Just make a nice looking site with a call to action - keep the content generic and informative. You don't need to add an address and if you need a phone number just use an online number like from phone.com

        I hope that helps

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  • Profile picture of the author Rynos
    We have been also offering the sale of the website once ranked plus the ongoing SEO

    Its an easy sell and you have a USP as the site is already ranked

    VERY profitable avenue and based on this exact method that Emma & I have been doing for a while now
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    • Profile picture of the author bryson
      Originally Posted by Rynos View Post

      We have been also offering the sale of the website once ranked plus the ongoing SEO

      Its an easy sell and you have a USP as the site is already ranked

      VERY profitable avenue and based on this exact method that Emma & I have been doing for a while now
      Hey Rynos,

      What are you valuing the site at for a sale price?
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    • Profile picture of the author AussieT
      Originally Posted by Rynos View Post

      We have been also offering the sale of the website once ranked plus the ongoing SEO

      Its an easy sell and you have a USP as the site is already ranked

      VERY profitable avenue and based on this exact method that Emma & I have been doing for a while now
      Will be trying this out on Monday hopefully it will be an easy sell for me. if it works I will rank other sites and then sell them.
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  • Profile picture of the author wislndixie
    Hey Emma, I've bought your WSO and watched the videos and I'm still somewhat confused. When we create a website to rent, is it to be just a 1 page site? I know there must be a call to action on the site and you mention in a video about writing your articles. Is this a generic article related to the niche and on the first and only page or is the article on a following page? Is the main page a "static" page in WP or is it a blog page that allows comments? Your WSO is very good and thorough but I just want to make sure I'm treading down the correct path.
    Thanks,
    Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author MarksWineClub
    Not sure if I asked this somewhere else in the thread....anyone ever experienced their rental site ranking better in every city other than their own?

    As an example, say I built a Chicago plumber site. It ranks first everywhere but Chicago, where it ranks 6th. Make sense? Weird right?

    Anyone?
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  • Profile picture of the author khengo
    Hi Emma,

    My sites finally on the first page and starting to get phone calls coming in. I've just rented out the site for $500. WOOT!! WOOT!!

    It was an easy sell....i just looked up the businesses that were already paying for online and offline advertising and called them up....gave them a few free leads...told them ill call them next week to see how they converted....and i asked them to make an offer....and went up from there. This converted really well for me.

    I wonder if it would be that easy to sell per lead?? Oh...i did have a problem with the Vodafone Sim card though....they dont do call forwarding. But i think if i use phone dot com, i can still use the same number.


    Kheng
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    • Profile picture of the author AussieT
      Originally Posted by khengo View Post

      Hi Emma,

      My sites finally on the first page and starting to get phone calls coming in. I've just rented out the site for $500. WOOT!! WOOT!!

      It was an easy sell....i just looked up the businesses that were already paying for online and offline advertising and called them up....gave them a few free leads...told them ill call them next week to see how they converted....and i asked them to make an offer....and went up from there. This converted really well for me.

      I wonder if it would be that easy to sell per lead?? Oh...i did have a problem with the Vodafone Sim card though....they dont do call forwarding. But i think if i use phone dot com, i can still use the same number.


      Kheng
      Hi Kheng being a fellow Aussie I would love to hear more about this project. What industry is the site in? What did you do to rank it? How many did you approach before finding a buyer? Is it a hight ticket niche?
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  • Profile picture of the author malachiteIM
    Well done Khengo. My first site is moving up the rankings as well and once I get enough calls, I will rent it out as I already have some buyers lined up. Callfire works great for me, but I don't know if you have that option in Australia.
    A question for Khengo or anybody else...
    Getting ranked is taking awhile though (2 months now). While that happens, have you been successful getting leads from other means -classifieds, videos etc and rent based on that while your rankings go up?
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    • Profile picture of the author khengo
      Originally Posted by AussieT View Post

      Hi Kheng being a fellow Aussie I would love to hear more about this project. What industry is the site in? What did you do to rank it? How many did you approach before finding a buyer? Is it a hight ticket niche?
      Hi Aussie T, this site is in the building industry. It took around 2 months to get this site onto the first page with a warrior friend Rockstar Adi (just type his name in the search bar). I highly recommend him......I'm already building another 4 sites now I know it works and his gonna do all my SEO.
      I approached 2, the first one wanted the leads (why wouldnt he, its free), but he told me to email it to him......but i didnt feel like he wanted it bad enough so i just called up another one, this time, this guy was like "hell yeah". I find its easier to approach those who are already paying for Google Adwords, they already know how much its gonna cost. He actually told me, he spends around $400 on adwords and his conversion wasnt very good.


      Originally Posted by malachiteIM View Post

      Well done Khengo. My first site is moving up the rankings as well and once I get enough calls, I will rent it out as I already have some buyers lined up. Callfire works great for me, but I don't know if you have that option in Australia.
      A question for Khengo or anybody else...
      Getting ranked is taking awhile though (2 months now). While that happens, have you been successful getting leads from other means -classifieds, videos etc and rent based on that while your rankings go up?
      Yeah it took around 2 months for this site. I didnt get leads from other sources, only because it would be a waste of time if i was going to charge them a monthly fee.
      Its definitely a good idea if you were to offer pay per lead.
      My next step will definitely be ranking the video, as a double listing would make it even more appealing and you could charge more.
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  • Profile picture of the author kbreezy
    I agree that people already advertising on adwords are already willing to spend money for any type of offline marketing weather it be seo, reputation management, mobile websites, etc etc. Great post.
    I actually closed a chiropractor client in a very small town who was already advertising on adwords for seo.
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      thanks for sharing
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    Awesome stuff! I'm probably going to be PMing you Emma!
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    Thanks for the simple marketing idea post!
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      the trades and construction are the best markets for me - a constant turnover of businesses
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    Nice, solid strategy. Are you giving them sitewide links? And are you able to retain these customers for many months? A good idea would be to let them sign up for one month, then after that period, make them a discounted offer for six months.
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    hmmm, smart girl! keep up the good work...
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  • Profile picture of the author deckman
    Does callfire work for Australia? It would be awesome for you if it would.
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  • Profile picture of the author Santhoshseo
    Sorry, it may be noob question im from remote location from india.. i want to enter into this industry which seems highly profitable.... but which tool we can use to see what clients are advertising on onwards google is not showing the actual results is there any othet tools to see which company is advertising on google adwords for their location
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    • Profile picture of the author cottonswabs
      hey, thanks everyone for the great info.
      a questions i have is, how do you know how much to rent your website for.
      For example,
      [exact match] 1,900 CPC-US$15.96

      How would you charge for this one?
      thanks
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    Great thread
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  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    Nothing from the OP in over 2 years. Any updates on this? Anyone else have any success implementing the whole boatload of strategies offered, here?

    Cheers. - Frank
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Jacoby
      Hi Emma, do the clients pay you upfront before you start working? Do you also guarantee that their website will be posted in the top of the google rankings? What other services do you offer?
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