Looking for a perfect office phone system

by ginder
8 replies
So I have been paying a LOT of money per month to comcast for 5 phone lines plus internet and cable for our office. I was stuck in a contract and it was one of the worst decisions I made!

Obviously had to get rid of the TV because that was a major distraction so I was paying for cable for no reason. Phone and internet is VERY expensive aswell. I have been paying almost $600/month for everything. Now since my contract is up, I want to find a better alternative. I am not sure if someone here can help me or not but this is my situation.

I dont need cable.
I also dont need internet because we have a very good wireless provider thats providing 3g or 4g internet. (Its like verizon 3g but a lot cheaper) That also works very well for presentations on sales and even helps when on road so I want to keep that. Its working great, no need to get extra internet service.
I am looking at VOIP business phone systems. I am not sure if thats an option with the internet setup that we have. Does anyone have any experience? Can we use VOIP with 3G wireless internet with no routers and no cables?
What is the best option in VOIP if thats doable or if thats not possible with 3G then what else would you recommend. Need to get this done by tomorrow and I dont want to pay some "consultant" like me money for something that I can find online or get into another long term contract.

Here are our needs:
If there is any way to keep the same local numbers that would be great otherwise we can just redirect our main 1800 number and I dont think that will make any difference in our business.

We make 100s of calls per day (cold calls)
We get about 30-40 incoming calls on our 1-800 number


All replies are greatly appreciated!
#office #perfect #phone #system
  • Profile picture of the author BradleyC
    I did an extensive research of VOIP systems. First, to answer your questions based upon what I learned.

    No, you can't use this with 3g!

    You need bandwidth, 90 kbps up and down PER phone. 100 kbps = 1mg.

    I'd suggest you go back to comcast. I'm only paying something like $75 for internet.

    For voip, we chose RingCentral and I have to tell you, I absolutely love it! 4 lines cost $99/mo, then $24.99 for each additional user. Includes fax, full pbx. YOu can install it on outside sales reps computers for them to make calls and it's like you're all in the same office with call transferring, extensions and all of the other things it does. I can even see real time calls my sales reps are making and receiving and I get a daily call report emailed to me. Love it, love it, love it.

    I even have an extension for my cell phone for family to get hold of me. I setup a special extension that first rings my office, then my cell if I don't answer my office #. I can chose to accept the call (see # on caller ID) or send it to voicemail, or even transfer the call to another extension.

    Unlimited minutes.

    But, you need to have the internet speed and bandwidth to use it, or else your calls will break up really bad.

    Hope this helps.

    Bradley
    P.S. I transferred two of my local #'s to Ring Central. No problem!! Loved being able to do this.

    For inbound calls you can also setup a Queue that plays music until the next available sales/support person is available. I have one ext for sales, one for support. Each have a queue.
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    • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
      Originally Posted by BradleyC View Post

      I did an extensive research of VOIP systems. First, to answer your questions based upon what I learned.

      No, you can't use this with 3g!

      You need bandwidth, 90 kbps up and down PER phone. 100 kbps = 1mg.

      I'd suggest you go back to comcast. I'm only paying something like $75 for internet.

      For voip, we chose RingCentral and I have to tell you, I absolutely love it! 4 lines cost $99/mo, then $24.99 for each additional user. Includes fax, full pbx. YOu can install it on outside sales reps computers for them to make calls and it's like you're all in the same office with call transferring, extensions and all of the other things it does. I can even see real time calls my sales reps are making and receiving and I get a daily call report emailed to me. Love it, love it, love it.

      I even have an extension for my cell phone for family to get hold of me. I setup a special extension that first rings my office, then my cell if I don't answer my office #. I can chose to accept the call (see # on caller ID) or send it to voicemail, or even transfer the call to another extension.

      Unlimited minutes.

      But, you need to have the internet speed and bandwidth to use it, or else your calls will break up really bad.

      Hope this helps.

      Bradley
      P.S. I transferred two of my local #'s to Ring Central. No problem!! Loved being able to do this.

      For inbound calls you can also setup a Queue that plays music until the next available sales/support person is available. I have one ext for sales, one for support. Each have a queue.

      Not challenging here, just wanting to clarify. You say around 100kbps needed per line on VoiP.

      1000kbps = 1mbps

      1mbps = 125KB/s

      So if each VoiP is using 100kbps then you can have 10 of those and your upload/download would need to be at least 125KB/s capable at any time.

      My 3G here can download (from mobile phone where signal is weaker) at around 500KB/s which would mean (and I am only going by those above calcs.) that you could run a lot more than 10 on the 3G modem?

      PS: Again, I could be ENTIRELY wrong here just wanting to clarify for myself here too.





      EDIT:

      According to this site:

      http://www.speedguide.net/conversion.php

      100 kilobits/s is equal to 12.2KB/s. So I think I *may* be correct above, in saying that 10 VoiP connections each using 100kilobits/s each would need ~125KB/s bandwidth, which I am sure your 3G will provide easily.

      It should be, according to those stats, even be able to handle 50 connections simultaneously as it would only use around 625KB/s. Although, that would be a lot of "wireless" data consumed and maybe your bill would be high....

      In theory, it seems to work - in practice, I don't know. The only thing I'd be concerned about is potential delay due to using wireless internet, but as I call the US or overseas from my Skype and there isn't a problem, then I doubt it will be an issue for you domestically.
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  • Profile picture of the author DennisM
    Hi,

    Packet 8 is really good! They have the virtual office and you pay only $30 a month per phone unlimited with an assigned direct phone number (direct inbound dial - DID). It supports all Fortune 500 options such as group calling, caller ID, and all the goodies.

    What I love is you can drop ship the Packet 8 phone to a sales rep anywhere in the world and they can start cold calling with YOUR number being displayed in the caller ID of the recipient.

    You can have 10 of these running off a simple broadband connection for $300 a month for the service. The phone are around $100 each new but I would just source them on eBay used for around $30 bucks each.

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  • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
    Not sure if this will help, but I would call my dad while he was overseas via Skype while outside via my 3G service in Australia and it handled just fine. There were no problems. I suspect in the US you might have a better 3G connection than we do here, so that might work better for you.

    Plus if you have a better 3G receiver (like a fixed one at home) it would/should provide a stronger signal than signal able to be picked up by a mobile phone like I was using.
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  • Profile picture of the author ginder
    Internet service that I am currently using is clear.com and its amazing. Its 4g not 3g (sorry about that)

    They have a voice plan, I'll give them a call tomorrow to see if thats an option. This is something that we cant do without because we need to connect our ipads (made a mistake and bought wifi only) when we are in appointment. So this is absolutely necessary for me and I would hate to pay for this and comcast at same time when we dont need any other internet solutions. I hope I can set something up on this otherwise seems like I am going to end up paying the same amount amount that I was previously paying.

    Thanks for the help !
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  • Profile picture of the author DennisM
    Ginder,

    I do NOT recommend Clear for your voice. I had the Clear voice and internet here at home for about 3 months and the voice calls would drop all the time. The problem is that the voice and data share the same wireless stream (obviously). When packets hang up it's not that big of a deal with data as your browser just chokes a bit but the voice is garbled.

    When bundling voice and data you really need a decent broadband connection. In my opinion, if this is your business I would go with the fastest data plan available from Comcast and then select a reputable VOIP provider.

    I know the whole wireless 3G/4G could work in theory but you can't afford to have employees down for any amount of time. If anything, that will kill moral.

    Good luck!
    Dennis
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    • Profile picture of the author Rocket Media
      Originally Posted by DennisM View Post

      Ginder,

      I do NOT recommend Clear for your voice. I had the Clear voice and internet here at home for about 3 months and the voice calls would drop all the time. The problem is that the voice and data share the same wireless stream (obviously). When packets hang up it's not that big of a deal with data as your browser just chokes a bit but the voice is garbled.

      When bundling voice and data you really need a decent broadband connection. In my opinion, if this is your business I would go with the fastest data plan available from Comcast and then select a reputable VOIP provider.

      I know the whole wireless 3G/4G could work in theory but you can't afford to have employees down for any amount of time. If anything, that will kill moral.

      Good luck!
      Dennis
      I used to sell for Clear. Their service is awful. I had 2-3 complaints from people per week about them double/triple charging them.

      I checked out 8x8... sounds awesome! Their virtual office sounds so cool. I'm signing up for this tomorrow lol

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      • Profile picture of the author Jgregory
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        ginder

        I'd say you can save quite a bit with a switch, But phone systems are the life-blood of many businesses. So, choose carefully before a switch if you fit in that category

        You didn't mention your phone traffic direction. Are you using 5 lines for Inbound or Outbound calls? The ratio will make a difference in the best VOIP provider fit for you.

        Are all your staff using those 5 lines on-site with You? Do you use outsourcers in other locations? again a big difference in which VOIP fits your needs.

        Do you use physical phones or softphones? Another big issue for your decision.

        Number portability - If you have only published or distributed your 800 number, then forwarding is an option. There's a cost for that one way or the other and you sure don't' want to get a new 800. If you have had people calling in on local numbers, then you should move it they are important calls.

        On the question of using Wireless vs Direct-Wired Internet service I've had long experience in telecom applications. Going back 23 years beginning with PBX installations. here's my rundown of best choice for business phone systems

        #1 - best choice for any mission-critical business telephone system is still good old-fashioned copper wire on the PSTN (public switched telephone network) you get the famous five 9's of uptime. 99.999% it's always working

        #2 - With VOIP, there are local VOIP business providers sending it directly to your location via hard connection. That's exactly what your Comcast is doing with the Business Service you have now. It is superior to using consumer Internet connections. But I use residential Comcast that gives 14Mbps down and 6Mbps up and its superb for small SOHO businesses

        #3 - hardwired Internet connections can be T1 lines from telecoms, cable Internet from Comcast, or copper wire from ATT Uverse. I much prefer Comcast residential Internet service over the others. You won't have a problem with good local hard wired connections

        #4 - Wireless 3G 4G - I have limited experience with using these services for VOIP. There are for sure... many, many variables that can go wrong with any type of wireless. IMHO, If your business is important and making you money over the phone, there should be no worries over the small extra expense for hard wired connections

        Using VOIP OutSourcers in Asia
        If you use outsourcers overseas, then the choice is going to be the best VOIP provider that fits your other criteria.

        As one poster mentioned, Speed Up and Down on the local connection is critical to good phone VOIP service, and another technical issue is latency. If there is latency(a lag time), the conversation can be like a 2-way radio conversation. Problems there. And even if the local ISP is good, the local neighborhood might have terrible local telecom wiring and switching.



        In Asia, where you will find most outsourcers, the residential Internet connections are 99% all ADSL modems coming over the the local telephone wires. ADSL is a very old protocol and the upload speed is very slow compared to DSL and cable. I've found that Skype with a good local ISP connection works very well for my Filippino calling agents who work from home, if they have a good ISP.

        I am finishing up a White Paper(PDF) on my recent VOIP changeover. I spent 5 weeks recently... researching dozens of providers and physically trial-ing 5 of them by opening accounts before finding my ideal setup. I've actually combined 2 providers to give me global reach and accomodate my outsourcing. I myself do not have a traditional bricks-and-mortar office and the staff is in 4 different countries.

        PM me if you would like a copy when its ready.

        Regards,
        Jan Gregory
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