Offline forum has become...

ah but Chris, just because you are open about it doesnt mean you arent doing it, and that its not the same whoring, or any more ethical (You used the word not me)!

Im not saying you are, in fact I like you alot, but just offering a fuller perspective. Its easy to create an us and them scenario. "Us" can point fingers and say "them" is whoring, then "us" looks like a classier whore with higher morals... to use your anology, whoring is still whoring... Although making statements like "You cant blame us..." doesnt necessarily classify you with the classier more sophisticated whores...again, to use your own anology.

I think your post, forgive me, just said "We are internet marketers, its in our blood..."?

Not me. I have learned some internet marketing this year and have enjoyed it, but I am an offliner by blood.

Correction: Im even MORE of an offline TRAINER by blood. What I do here is the exact thing I have done in large telemarketing rooms for years breaking records, in live rooms with live people...make that 2o years... so speak for yourself only here Bro! lol

I dont know about everyone else and dont care, but this one has EARNED his right to teach hardcore and has a track record of being dead on effective at it, a real record that can be validated.

Im not a whore, Im a Godsend to anyone who wants to know how to get a champion cold caller out of themselves!

Yeah baby! Thats what Im talkin about!



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For me its cool, because I have always been an offliner...and I never really felt like I had enough technical knowledge to be an IMr... and last year I finally got the chance to try it, and its pretty cool.

Plus if you are used to speaking to large groups, its even more cool because you can do things like build a forum, even though sometimes you need a break from it.

I love my forum and our people... and its really cool to be able to do that and an honor. But yeah, report selling for me has been a very cool learning experience that I have always wanted to have.

Granted you make more money on offline projects... but after being an offliner for so many year and hearing about people pushing buttons and making sales, it has been something I have always wanted to experience, and its an opportunity to put your teaching in print, so that it can affect people years after you are gone...

There is always the hope that it will grow so much that you wont have to do offline anymore because you want to do something different than what you have always done...

Its very cool because your list is kinda like your old telemarketing crew, cept online, and you make great bonds and friendships.

Now here's the drawback that Im growing weary of - Some people also hate on you for selling information, and they are constantly trying to destroy your rep or plant digs to make people filter you in a negative light, they google bomb you...they come to your threads and subtly discredit you... they think you have gotten too big for your britches as my grandmother would say...

Lol.

The very same speech that would motivate the heck out of a person live, comes across as cocky in print...so theres alot of learning left to do there too...

Lastly, you get to where you dont know who is spamming your forum with PMs, pissed off customers (the less than 2%) will email all the other ones and try to make you look bad...

The thing that makes online marketing weary at times to be honest, even though the benefits are huge in many enriching ways, is that despite all the love have with most of your customers... The ones who decide to hate, never quit pestering you... and never quit saying things and never quit blah blah blah...

If you could take that part out... it would be great.

Its not like offline where if you get an unhappy customer, you just end the relationship... but ONLINE, they never go away and the relationship doesnt end it sometimes becomes a public bashing thing...and they act out with revenge and you are constantly defending yourself against things that are totally stupid to have to defend.

I love my forum and my list...that part is great, but you get tired of going there and opening up your pm box and getting bashed by haters, every day before you have even finished your coffee lol.

Its not that way when you have 200 members and theres only a couple of people, but when you have 2,500 members then the 2% grows and every day you are dogging off some kind of negativity, and it takes alot of the energy dealing with that you used spend sharing positivity...and they drain you to where you dont even want to open your email box sometimes.

Again thats the WAAAY minority. But when you get into the thousands, that 2 percent turns into 20-30 people who are constant thorns in your flesh and they drain all of your creativity for the ones who really have the right heart.

Anyway, why do people market online when they are offliners? For me its just cool to experience the idea that after all these years marketing without this kind of knowledge, that all I had to do was "try" and found out, "Wow, I could have done this the whole time, and I didnt really need all that technical knowledge like I thought...and Wow, I have a sale in my inbox, I cant believe it, it happened while I was at dinner... or while I was asleep".

Thats cool. Very neat, and very worthwhile for everyone to experience at some point in their career.

Ps. It would also be easy to say "look at him complaining, he should be soo lucky to be able to sell reports...".

Here's my answer: Go do it yourself, it didnt fall out of the sky on me. Like everything else worthwhile I pursued it and worked hard to see it happen. Its awesome, we are talking about pros and cons.

Would I love to have a 50k or 100k launch everytime I put something out? Sure, but according to Marlon Sandors, you may not want the other things that come with those huge launches.

In the end its all a cool learning experience and a great chance to learn new ways of making money and share with great people... It does have draw backs too like anything else.

Most of the legit guys do both online and offline. Just because people write reports doesnt mean they dont still do offline. I still run 2-3 appointments per week and have other projects, but this has been my big fascination this year. Learning all of this and experiencing it, my list is very cool. I love em.

My 2 cents would be that without them a lot of what makes the Forum work would be gone. Some of them seem to be rather altruistic (for which I am grateful) and maybe they only put a price on it to recoup a little of what it takes to put it out (or maybe it's that they have to make people pay because we don't appreciated free stuff as much?).

Or maybe they want to do list building and a loss leader is worth it?

LOL whatever dude. You fail to understand the whole concept of this forum its called Internet Marketing.

Would you like some whine with your cheese? Seriously you're complaining about people who market themselves on a MARKETING FORUM! WTF!