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Seo is Sucking! Got my Client in the first 4 spots on the first Page of G...No calls! What gives

by Tara
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My client is in the first 4 spots for a popular keyword in her industry. Her site is above companies that's been in this line of business longer. This is going on the 3rd week that she is dominating the first four spots, but no calls yet. The call to action is good! No need to backlink cause she is already at the top. Should we try adwords or something!

Suggestions plz!

Thanx!
Tara
#calls #client #gno #page #seo #spots #sucking
  • Profile picture of the author Voasi
    Really depends on the keywords you're going after. Hard to give you more information without more details unfortunately.

    - How many searches does that keyword get in Google (exact match)?
    - Are you ranking highly for any other keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author zoro
    Originally Posted by Tara View Post

    My client is in the first 4 spots for a popular keyword in her industry. Her site is above companies that's been in this line of business longer. This is going on the 3rd week that she is dominating the first four spots, but no calls yet. The call to action is good! No need to backlink cause she is already at the top. Should we try adwords or something!

    Suggestions plz!

    Thanx!
    Tara
    In my experience the first 3 Adwords Ads will generate 90% of the calls/leads.
    There's a lot of talk about SEO natural organic search and being on first page of Google, its all good, but my testing and tracking over the last 2 years shows organic listings are not all the're cracked up to be.
    I have several offline lead gen sites and most are position #2 #3 #4 on first page of Google, but my Adwords Ads always pulls in over 90% of the leads using the exact same landing page.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bobster0007
      Originally Posted by zoro View Post

      In my experience the first 3 Adwords Ads will generate 90% of the calls/leads.
      There's a lot of talk about SEO natural organic search and being on first page of Google, its all good, but my testing and tracking over the last 2 years shows organic listings are not all the're cracked up to be.
      I have several offline lead gen sites and most are position #2 #3 #4 on first page of Google, but my Adwords Ads always pulls in over 90% of the leads using the exact same landing page.
      This is concerning to me. I heard that the "Adwords Ads" accounted for a total of 15%. Mostly because most people seem to think that the high organic rankings mean your site is better than the ones buying Adwords.
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by Bobster0007 View Post

        This is concerning to me. I heard that the "Adwords Ads" accounted for a total of 15%. Mostly because most people seem to think that the high organic rankings mean your site is better than the ones buying Adwords.
        Not in my experience and I have been doing Lead Generation for Offline clients for 2 years. All my sites are tracked plus I can see the stats in cPanel with Awstats. I find that most people when searching for a product or service to BUY will click an Adwords Ad before they scroll down the page. If they are just researching they will go down to organic results first.
        I know some will beg to differ, but my experience is that BUYERS go to the Ads first.
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        • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
          Originally Posted by zoro View Post

          I know some will beg to differ, but my experience is that BUYERS go to the Ads first.
          Are you talking about the featured three ad words ads on the top?


          Thomas
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          • Profile picture of the author zoro
            Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

            Are you talking about the featured three ad words ads on the top?


            Thomas
            Yep, that's correct.
            For example, one of my top offline lead gen sites is currently sitting #2 on google first page. My Adwords Ad is usually positioned 2nd or third of the Top 3 ads displayed. My clients website is #1 google first page. Yet, my Adwords Ad is generating the majority of leads, for which he is paying me at a $cost per lead.
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            • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
              Originally Posted by zoro View Post

              Yep, that's correct.
              For example, one of my top offline lead gen sites is currently sitting #2 on google first page. My Adwords Ad is usually positioned 2nd or third of the Top 3 ads displayed. My clients website is #1 google first page. Yet, my Adwords Ad is generating the majority of leads, for which he is paying me at a per lead.
              I see. Are you using a different headline (title) for each site?


              The reason I ask is that majority headlines in the adwords section are written in a direct response style, offering discounts, specials and enticing people to click on the ad.

              That's not always the case with typical websites in organic results.

              How are your adwords performing when going against "google places" section? In the past, when I had top positions in Google maps, my sites generated more leads than my adwords sites on the same page. But that's probably, because GMaps section was overwhelming anything else on that page...


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              • Profile picture of the author zoro
                Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

                I see. Are you using a different headline (title) for each site?


                The reason I ask is that majority headlines in the adwords section are written in a direct response style, offering discounts, specials and enticing people to click on the ad.

                That's not always the case with typical websites in organic results.

                How are your adwords performing when going against "google places" section? In the past, when I had top positions in Google maps, my sites generated more leads than my adwords sites on the same page. But that's probably, because GMaps section was overwhelming anything else on that page...


                Thomas
                My headlines are the same. Yes, I use Direct Response methods. My organic ranking site is above GP, as is my client's site. Even though my clients site is above mine, he gets less leads than mine. That's because he has one of those beautiful magazine style of websites and does not understand Direct Response and I'm not telling him (lol). My adword ads have High Quality Scores 8 - 10 and mostly occupy positions 1,2, or 3.
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    • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
      Originally Posted by zoro View Post

      In my experience the first 3 Adwords Ads will generate 90% of the calls/leads.
      There's a lot of talk about SEO natural organic search and being on first page of Google, its all good, but my testing and tracking over the last 2 years shows organic listings are not all the're cracked up to be.
      I have several offline lead gen sites and most are position #2 #3 #4 on first page of Google, but my Adwords Ads always pulls in over 90% of the leads using the exact same landing page.
      What in earth?! That's crazy, something I've never experienced nor heard of in my lifetime. I'm doing a campaign for a friend in the electrician business, his site is first in the organic listings which is 7 places down in the results due to the Google Places listings.

      I've got a highly optimised (yes it's definitely optimised and orientated to it's searchers) Adwords campaign running that is in the top two paid for results day in day out, however it's the organic listing that gets 80-90% of the traffic (split between organic and ppc).

      Whilst I'm certainly not saying you're lying, I think your figures are off somehow by a margin.
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      • Profile picture of the author troybh
        I agree about the adwords getting the most leads. The people who click on them are not looking at research etc... They know what they want and they are in a buying frame of mind and they are not wanting to waste time. Maybe the organics get a fair amount of traffic too but those can be a lot of people not in the buying mindset and they are just researching at the moment. Plus the adwords now just look like the top 3 listings and those we know get the bulk of the hits.
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        • Profile picture of the author zoro
          Originally Posted by troybh View Post

          I agree about the adwords getting the most leads. The people who click on them are not looking at research etc... They know what they want and they are in a buying frame of mind and they are not wanting to waste time. Maybe the organics get a fair amount of traffic too but those can be a lot of people not in the buying mindset and they are just researching at the moment. Plus the adwords now just look like the top 3 listings and those we know get the bulk of the hits.
          Spot on !!. The operative words here is "BUYING FRAME OF MIND"
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        • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
          Originally Posted by troybh View Post

          I agree about the adwords getting the most leads. The people who click on them are not looking at research etc... They know what they want and they are in a buying frame of mind and they are not wanting to waste time. Maybe the organics get a fair amount of traffic too but those can be a lot of people not in the buying mindset and they are just researching at the moment. Plus the adwords now just look like the top 3 listings and those we know get the bulk of the hits.
          Why do you think people would choose adwords for "buying" and other listings for "researching"?
          Do they believe that clicking on adwords will get them a better deal?

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          is the searcher in "a buying frame of mind"? If so, will they only go to the top three ads?

          Some of my clients used adwords and their Google Place (merged) with google reviews still got
          them more leads :-)

          Please, don't misunderstand me here, I know adwords gets leads, otherwise people wouldn't be
          paying for it. And Google would find another way to get paid...


          Thomas
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

        What in earth?! That's crazy, something I've never experienced nor heard of in my lifetime. I'm doing a campaign for a friend in the electrician business, his site is first in the organic listings which is 7 places down in the results due to the Google Places listings.

        I've got a highly optimised (yes it's definitely optimised and orientated to it's searchers) Adwords campaign running that is in the top two paid for results day in day out, however it's the organic listing that gets 80-90% of the traffic (split between organic and ppc).

        Whilst I'm certainly not saying you're lying, I think your figures are off somehow by a margin.
        Good Luck, that's not my experience (2 years worth). PPC wins hands down for my campaigns.
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        • Profile picture of the author Silver Surfer
          Originally Posted by zoro View Post

          Good Luck, that's not my experience (2 years worth). PPC wins hands down for my campaigns.
          Like I posted to MaverickUK's post above -- In my past 9 years experience with both SEO and PPC campaigns for hundreds of sites in over 70 industries, I've seen it go both ways. In some markets and keywords, PPC usually pulls better, yet in other markets, SEO usually pulls better. The truth is you can't be definitive about this one way or the other. You've got to test each market and keyword.

          I've always found the best approach, presuming you don't have good enough data in advance, to first test various keywords via PPC and see how those keywords actually perform. I'm talking a short test, one-month time frame is usually OK if you have an adequate budget. Then for the keywords that perform well, begin your SEO campaign for those keywords (and I'd never target just one, or two, or three keywords in any SEO campaign). About 70% of the time, your SEO will out pull ROI-wise, your PPC efforts for same keywords.

          HOWEVER -- I should point out that during the past 12 months or so, that 80% of the time, a top #1 or #2 Google Places listing (for an appropriate keyword) has been outperforming both PPC and regular SEO (non-Google Places) listings hands down.
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          • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
            Originally Posted by Silver Surfer View Post

            HOWEVER -- I should point out that during the past 12 months or so, that 80% of the time, a top #1 or #2 Google Places listing (for an appropriate keyword) has been outperforming both PPC and regular SEO (non-Google Places) listings hands down.
            Have you noticed any difference between merged results for Google Places against original type results?

            BTW, I totally agree on different results for different markets/industries when it comes to PPC or organic results.


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            • Profile picture of the author Silver Surfer
              Originally Posted by SirThomas View Post

              Have you noticed any difference between merged results for Google Places against original type results?

              BTW, I totally agree on different results for different markets/industries when it comes to PPC or organic results.


              Thomas
              Sorry as I should have clarified. The Google Places results that I was referring to are strictly from the merged/blended Google Places results and not with the original (bland/name only listing) type results.
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      • Profile picture of the author Silver Surfer
        Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

        What in earth?! That's crazy, something I've never experienced nor heard of in my lifetime. I'm doing a campaign for a friend in the electrician business, his site is first in the organic listings which is 7 places down in the results due to the Google Places listings.

        I've got a highly optimised (yes it's definitely optimised and orientated to it's searchers) Adwords campaign running that is in the top two paid for results day in day out, however it's the organic listing that gets 80-90% of the traffic (split between organic and ppc).

        Whilst I'm certainly not saying you're lying, I think your figures are off somehow by a margin.
        In my past 9 years experience with both SEO and PPC campaigns for hundreds of sites in over 70 industries, I've seen it go both ways. In some markets and keywords, PPC usually pulls better, yet in other markets, SEO usually pulls better. The truth is you can't be definitive about this one way or the other. You've got to test each market and keyword.

        I've always found the best approach, presuming you don't have good enough data in advance, to first test various keywords via PPC and see how those keywords actually perform. I'm talking a short test, one-month time frame is usually OK if you have an adequate budget. Then for the keywords that perform well, begin your SEO campaign for those keywords (and I'd never target just one, or two, or three keywords in any SEO campaign). About 70% of the time, your SEO will out pull ROI-wise, your PPC efforts for same keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimD
      Originally Posted by zoro View Post

      In my experience the first 3 Adwords Ads will generate 90% of the calls/leads.
      There's a lot of talk about SEO natural organic search and being on first page of Google, its all good, but my testing and tracking over the last 2 years shows organic listings are not all the're cracked up to be.
      I have several offline lead gen sites and most are position #2 #3 #4 on first page of Google, but my Adwords Ads always pulls in over 90% of the leads using the exact same landing page.
      This is terrific data and counter to everything I've heard about SEO. Thanks for posting.
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      • Profile picture of the author zoro
        Originally Posted by TimD View Post

        This is terrific data and counter to everything I've heard about SEO. Thanks for posting.
        Yes, its all true in my 2 yrs of lead gen experience. The only thing I cannot vouch for, or comment on, is using a Google Places listing, because I don't have one. (I can't get one because my lead gen is done in cities other than mine own)
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxReferrals
    Optimize for kws that are converting. You should have that info in their analytics accounts.
    People make the false assumption that optimizing for kws competitors are ranked for are naturally going to equate to sales. As you're seeing, that doesn't always happen.

    I prefer to focus on those kws that are CURRENTLY converting, and push rank up on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author P1
    You need to research the KW really well before jumping it, have you checked on Market Samurai?
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    • Profile picture of the author scsheldon33
      Originally Posted by P1 View Post

      You need to research the KW really well before jumping it, have you checked on Market Samurai?
      Market Samurai looks good

      We'll be looking further about this though. Checking and learning its features and how it generates better results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocket Media
    Like every one is saying, you need to choose the proper keywords. Also, are you sure that you are doing the best thing possible just by hoping that the customer calls??? Maybe you should be collecting information and giving away coupons or something for free to get more response from the people visiting the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tara
    Right now! I am targeting the keywords that is most searched for this time of year in my client's industry. However, I am not checking the number of monthly searches just going on the philosophy of "local keywords being searched now" according to Google search bar and related keywords! I am also choosing buyer keywords. Doesnt look like this approach is panning out! @ Rocket Media...We also offer coupons and specials for the specific service! The Call to action is good and the page is clean, friendly but direct!
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  • Profile picture of the author CollegeEducated
    Are you doing any SNM?
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  • Profile picture of the author GaryG4
    Originally Posted by Tara View Post

    This is going on the 3rd week that she is dominating the first four spots, but no calls yet. The call to action is good!

    You might really consider the layout and design of the website. Just because it has a good call out doesn't exactly mean it should be a well converting site... obviously... this is the problem that your having. Can we see the site? Maybe there are a few simple tweaks you can do to make it better.

    I know if I go to a website and it says "Call here Now!" type call outs all over the place but the site looks like it was built in the 90's I will leave and move on.

    This might be the problem. Let us see the site. I would be glad to help.
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  • Profile picture of the author KO
    Have you checked the rank from multiple computers/browsers? After clearing the cookies/cache?

    Does the meta description have the phone number as the first thing listed?
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    Originally Posted by Tara View Post


    The call to action is good!

    Tara
    Is it really?

    Have you split tested your call to action with others?

    You might think it is good but the customers are showing you through their actions that it is probably not (ie no phone calls)

    Is your offer enticing and hitting the hot buttons of the customers to get them to want to call?

    Have you done any kind of survey of what their customers might want?

    I would go back to the basics and figure out

    Are you getting traffic?

    Is that traffic targeted?

    If it is targeted, then split test your offer

    split test your call to action

    then use which ever ones give you the best results.

    Just because you got to the top of google don't mean nothing if you aren't hitting the hot buttons of your customers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Vagabond 007
      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      Is it really?

      Have you split tested your call to action with others?

      You might think it is good but the customers are showing you through their actions that it is probably not (ie no phone calls)
      Shane beat me to it!

      You're biased. Of course you think it's good. Problem with that is you're not the customer. Which means what you think doesn't really matter. What matters is the opinion of the customers.

      I'm willing to bet that if everything else you say is accurate, about being in the top spots for the top keywords, you're problem is the layout/design and/or call to action. Or, you have a horrible offer.

      Or all of the above.

      I don't expect you to post it for obvious reasons, but if I had a link to the site, I could offer more help.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoblacksmith
    Originally Posted by Tara View Post

    My client is in the first 4 spots for a popular keyword in her industry. Her site is above companies that's been in this line of business longer. This is going on the 3rd week that she is dominating the first four spots, but no calls yet. The call to action is good! No need to backlink cause she is already at the top. Should we try adwords or something!

    Suggestions plz!

    Thanx!
    Tara
    Hey Tara,

    Dominating the 4 spots for a popular keyword is very vital. Having an extra ads would be great..

    Also, have you tried to check their contact forms? or do the email found on their site is working? Please check at those stuffs.. I already encountered these kinds of problems in my 4 years of being a consultant. Sometimes, small fractions are being ignored a lot of times.
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  • Profile picture of the author dancorkill
    Lots of great tips in this thread. It isn't all about rankings. Dig into your analytics, are people immediately bouncing, reading the offer first etc.

    Sometimes clients suck majorly at keeping track of leads, consider call tracking so there is no doubt. Sometimes they play down the results they are getting so you "help" them more.

    Sometimes even all the best theory doesn't work. Also with websites you can go a month without any leads then get 3 in one day from a website. It doesn't spread out evenly but you will get results.
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  • Profile picture of the author RKCastillo
    Hmmm. It's just hard to say without looking at the site itself. Wish I could help more.
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  • Profile picture of the author trishseo
    Another big mistake is that people use Google's keyword search as broad. Then they find out when they get a top listing that the exact searches are minimal.

    I mean if your keyword is "dog" then anyone who searches for a music video "called where my dogs at" comes up as a broad match. Of course, they aren't even in your niche. Chances are, you are experiencing some form of this issue.

    The obvious question is, are you getting traffic on these keywords?
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  • Profile picture of the author CMCarlin
    Are you getting traffic? If yes, your copy may not be as good as you thought and/or your keywords might not be searched by actual buyers/people that are interested.

    No traffic? Wrong keywords.

    Break it down - where is your problem? Don't just assume your calls to action are good. If you're not getting calls but getting traffic, obviously it is not...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tara
    Thank you for all the tips and suggestions. I hadn't thought about checking my traffic, not sure why.
    I made a crucial discovery when I checked WP Slimstat, there was 0 traffic. Obviously the key word my client want to target has no one searching for it. My client is a photographer, so we targeted senior portraits + city. The population for my client's city is 41,600. I wonder if the city is to small for SEO? Anyway, at this point I am not sure what keyword will get her phone ringing. If anyone can help me figure out how to find out what the ppl in this small town is searching for. ..I don't think the google adword search tool is that reliable!

    Tara
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    • Profile picture of the author TJ Rose
      Originally Posted by Tara View Post

      Thank you for all the tips and suggestions. I hadn't thought about checking my traffic, not sure why.
      I made a crucial discovery when I checked WP Slimstat, there was 0 traffic. Obviously the key word my client want to target has no one searching for it. My client is a photographer, so we targeted senior portraits + city. The population for my client's city is 41,600. I wonder if the city is to small for SEO? Anyway, at this point I am not sure what keyword will get her phone ringing. If anyone can help me figure out how to find out what the ppl in this small town is searching for. ..I don't think the google adword search tool is that reliable!

      Tara
      This raises a flag for me, think about how many seniors are typing in "senior portraits Houston"? Now if they do type that then they probably will click the very first link (not being computer savvy) and the link will be an AdWords link.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tara
        Originally Posted by TJ Rose View Post

        This raises a flag for me, think about how many seniors are typing in "senior portraits Houston"? Now if they do type that then they probably will click the very first link (not being computer savvy) and the link will be an AdWords link.
        I think what I meant to say is I don't think the G keyword tool is reliable, but maybe u can call it a adwords tool also. The bottom line is I am not biased to using whatever method that will get my clients phone ringing.

        I am confident I can rank almost any local keyword on page1 whether it has competition or not. Now I just need to choose the "money keyword" then take these tips and tweak more as the traffic comes
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Do not take this the wrong way, but you need to get a little better understanding of what you are doing before you start taking money from clients. You charged your client to chase a keyword that has zero traffic. Then when their phone was not ringing, it never occurred to you to check the traffic of the website to see what was going on? I'm scared to ask what kind of techniques you are using for SEO.

          I'm not trying to insult you or put you down, but this would be kind of like a doctor accepting patients before completing med school.

          The words you should be targeting for this client are things like

          photographers
          photography studios
          senior class portraits

          You should have them setup on Google Places and optimize their listing for these keywords.

          You have to remember that when people search a term like 'photographers' Google is first going to bring back local results that it thinks are relevant.

          Once you achieve top rankings for them for keywords like this (locally) you can target some keywords with the city or nearby towns name in it to bring in some additional traffic.

          I apologize if I am being too blunt, but in my mind the day you start accepting checks from offline clients you are taking on a big responsibility. You hold a piece of their business in your hands. Their success or failure can largely be dependent on you.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tara
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Do not take this the wrong way, but you need to get a little better understanding of what you are doing before you start taking money from clients. You charged your client to chase a keyword that has zero traffic. Then when their phone was not ringing, it never occurred to you to check the traffic of the website to see what was going on? I'm scared to ask what kind of techniques you are using for SEO.

            I'm not trying to insult you or put you down, but this would be kind of like a doctor accepting patients before completing med school.

            The words you should be targeting for this client are things like

            photographers
            photography studios
            senior class portraits

            You should have them setup on Google Places and optimize their listing for these keywords.

            You have to remember that when people search a term like 'photographers' Google is first going to bring back local results that it thinks are relevant.

            Once you achieve top rankings for them for keywords like this (locally) you can target some keywords with the city or nearby towns name in it to bring in some additional traffic.

            I apologize if I am being too blunt, but in my mind the day you start accepting checks from offline clients you are taking on a big responsibility. You hold a piece of their business in your hands. Their success or failure can largely be dependent on you.

            I do not take offense to your post and do not feel that you have insulted me. If I wanted to run with my tail between my legs and could not take constructive critisim, I would not have come back to this thread to let people know the mistake I made, knowing surely what I am setting myself up for. As stated before, the approach I took was not the traditional approach of finding keywords with traffic. So now I am looking to listen and learn from other warriors as to what works for them, when it comes to keyword research. I do take seriously the service I am providing for my client. I have discussed with my client why this particular keyword is not working, and what I will be doing to fix that. She appreciated me being forth coming instead of trying to cover-up my error. A lot of ppl never get this far because they are afraid of failing but I am here to take action! And get results for my client. So, if that means getting backlash from fellow warriors so be it! I am sure I can still pull something positive from it...just as I have done with your post!
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            • Profile picture of the author CMCarlin
              Originally Posted by Tara View Post

              I do not take offense to your post and do not feel that you have insulted me. If I wanted to run with my tail between my legs and could not take constructive critisim, I would not have come back to this thread to let people know the mistake I made, knowing surely what I am setting myself up for. As stated before, the approach I took was not the traditional approach of finding keywords with traffic. So now I am looking to listen and learn from other warriors as to what works for them, when it comes to keyword research. I do take seriously the service I am providing for my client. I have discussed with my client why this particular keyword is not working, and what I will be doing to fix that. She appreciated me being forth coming instead of trying to cover-up my error. A lot of ppl never get this far because they are afraid of failing but I am here to take action! And get results for my client. So, if that means getting backlash from fellow warriors so be it! I am sure I can still pull something positive from it...just as I have done with your post!

              I just want to say that this is an extremely respectable position you've taken and one that will carry you far into business IMHO.

              It is much better to hold yourself accountable to your actions and put yourself into a position to learn from them! You will gain the respect of your clients because they will feel that they can trust you.

              Kudos to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Your target keyword does not have enough volume to justify even going after it.

    Broaden that keyword a bit and you might find more success.

    In a small town with a small population like that, it could be that going after photographer + city is way better.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tara
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      Your target keyword does not have enough volume to justify even going after it.

      Broaden that keyword a bit and you might find more success.

      In a small town with a small population like that, it could be that going after photographer + city is way better.
      I was thinking the same thing, good thing I already bought the domain. I see you are a ppc coach. Do you intergrate seo with your ppc or use ppc by it'sself
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    What I was trying to point out above is that it all depends on a type of search.

    Do you believe that someone looking for an attorney, home builder, veterinarian, cosmetic surgeon, chiropractor or a hotel will only click some top placed ads?

    Will they use organic results to research the subject and then call the adwords advertiser to actually hire a lawyer or a chiro?

    Thomas
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  • Profile picture of the author bateati
    That explains it, you can rank #1 for any KW if no one else is going for it.

    Would you mind sharing more information?
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  • Profile picture of the author wrench
    you have a client, im assuming they paid you to do SEO and you have no clue how to do SEO apparently, you target a keyword that doesnt even get traffic.
    SEO 101: how much traffic will spots 1-3 get me and then spots 4+ get me.

    i don't blame you, i blame the WSO's "DONT HAVE A COMPUTER? DONT KNOW HOW TO USE ONE? DOESNT MATTER YOU CAN STILL SELL YOUR CLIENTS SEO PACKAGES"

    Its a good thing I now give free websites AND seo to all MY CLIENTS. This thread is the EXACT reason I do that, TONS people on this forum dont have the slightest clue about web design or seo, but they have full blown websites SELLING these services after they read an article.

    If you're going to bull**** your way into getting a sale, why not make it a sale WORTH bull****ting. Try selling some million dollar boats without knowing a thing about them, actually i'm going to write a WSO about selling airplanes and boats without knowing a CLUE about airplanes and boats. I will be rich, i'm going to plan my retirement now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tara
      Originally Posted by wrench View Post

      you have a client, im assuming they paid you to do SEO and you have no clue how to do SEO apparently, you target a keyword that doesnt even get traffic.
      SEO 101: how much traffic will spots 1-3 get me and then spots 4+ get me.

      i don't blame you, i blame the WSO's "DONT HAVE A COMPUTER? DONT KNOW HOW TO USE ONE? DOESNT MATTER YOU CAN STILL SELL YOUR CLIENTS SEO PACKAGES"

      Its a good thing I now give free websites AND seo to all MY CLIENTS. This thread is the EXACT reason I do that, TONS people on this forum dont have the slightest clue about web design or seo, but they have full blown websites SELLING these services after they read an article.

      If you're going to bull**** your way into getting a sale, why not make it a sale WORTH bull****ting. Try selling some million dollar boats without knowing a thing about them, actually i'm going to write a WSO about selling airplanes and boats without knowing a CLUE about airplanes and boats. I will be rich, i'm going to plan my retirement now.

      Thank You for contributing!
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  • Profile picture of the author MaverickUK
    Originally Posted by wrench View Post

    you have a client, im assuming they paid you to do SEO and you have no clue how to do SEO apparently, you target a keyword that doesnt even get traffic.
    SEO 101: how much traffic will spots 1-3 get me and then spots 4+ get me.

    i don't blame you, i blame the WSO's "DONT HAVE A COMPUTER? DONT KNOW HOW TO USE ONE? DOESNT MATTER YOU CAN STILL SELL YOUR CLIENTS SEO PACKAGES"

    Its a good thing I now give free websites AND seo to all MY CLIENTS. This thread is the EXACT reason I do that, TONS people on this forum dont have the slightest clue about web design or seo, but they have full blown websites SELLING these services after they read an article.

    If you're going to bull**** your way into getting a sale, why not make it a sale WORTH bull****ting. Try selling some million dollar boats without knowing a thing about them, actually i'm going to write a WSO about selling airplanes and boats without knowing a CLUE about airplanes and boats. I will be rich, i'm going to plan my retirement now.
    You give your clients free websites and free SEO? Well aren't you a clever chap. Half of your posts thus far have been mentioning how people don't have a clue what they're talking about, yet you haven't bothered to offer any advice yourself.

    What gives? Are you pretending to know what you're talking about?
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    • Profile picture of the author wrench
      Originally Posted by MaverickUK View Post

      Half of your posts thus far have been mentioning how people don't have a clue what they're talking about.
      1. Person complains about SEO results.
      2. People POLITELY say, you dont have a clue about seo, look further into XYZ
      3. Person THEN comes to conclusion that no one is searching for keyword.

      You are saying this person has CLUE about SEO to a point where they can sell these "services"?

      stop it. stop it now.
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  • Profile picture of the author danielkanuck
    Have you reconsidered redesigning the website strictly for generating leads? Do yall have an aggressive email marketing campaign?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tara
      Originally Posted by danielkanuck View Post

      Have you reconsidered redesigning the website strictly for generating leads? Do yall have an aggressive email marketing campaign?
      Hi! I do have a lead capture form set up. Now I am working on choosing keywords that will actually get clicks then I can capture them.

      Thanx for the suggestion

      I will keep everyone updated on this client!
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  • Profile picture of the author sethczerepak
    Problem is either irrelevant keywords, a weak offer or bad copy. Would need to see the site to be sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve4business
    The question about Google Ads versus SEO ranking. We will help businesses with both - Google Ads is good whilst you do the organic SEO. Research is showing that consumers are getting more intelligent in recognising the difference between Ads and Organic Search. For decisions involving "Trust" they are more likely to go the organic route to be sure the business will be there in the future.
    The opportunity for businesses is to be not only on Google Page 1, but also the other areas that people research products such as Youtube and Facebook.

    We target long tail and the short keywords, as it gets some business early when you start ranking.

    Hope it works out well for you with all the above free advice.

    Regards
    Steve

    For more on my views on "intelligent consumer" - search intelligent consumer seo - as it is no1 on Google, but a worthless ranking I think. But I don't think I can leave a link here.
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  • Profile picture of the author benbro
    Hi Tara, just out of curiosity what sort of analytics/reporting program are you using? To be honest I had issues like this too until I started using SEOmoz pro and was able to quickly pin point which keywords were too competitive versus which were not even getting searches. It also helps to be able to see the traffic or impressions that each keyword generates b/c once you can see that you can do a better assessment of whether its even probable for the keywords to generate phone calls.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    OP, I know you think your site is #1 in the SERPs, are you sure it's #1 in the SERPs for everyone else (traffic).

    Sounds like your getting personalized search results based on your browser history.

    Check the keyword in Google again running Google Chrome Incognito, go directly to the search page without logging into anything or visiting the clients site.
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