Tips for new salesjob cold calling? :confused:

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I just started this job after not having spoken on the phone with a lot of people for many years now (studying at uni ) so I know it takes time, but I seem to have problems with my script because my feedback is REALLY bad after the first sentences.

This is a copy of my script (changed from the standard script provided by the company that outsourced this to us). The product is online IT-courses (Office-courses and Windows 7/Vista courses to be specific). There are 2 packages, 1 for the full pack (Office+Windows), and the starter pack for only 1 app, fx. Excel. The full pack is double the price of starter pack, so the full pack is a bargain. Anyway, here goes my script. Please show me what I am doing wrong. I am currently the only one on this project so I am on my own.

Hello (name), this is Allan from xxx e-Learning...
(get past gatekeeper etc)

The reason I am calling you is that we would like to take more responsibility for our countrymens IT-competences. Surverys show that 90% use the programmes wrong. What applications do you use?

(Answers, with Word, Excel, etc)

And what do you use these programmes for?

(Answers to do offers to customers, do wages for workers, etc)

Okay. Wouldn't it be nice if your offers to your customers looked just 10-20% better? Think about all the customers won't buy if it doesn't look professional.

(OR, I say the below)

Okay, wouldn't it be nice to make your wages in Excel much faster so you save money in the backend?

If the office boss/lawyer/doctor etc says they don't use it much, i say:

Even though you only use Office 3-4 hours a week, you can save 1-2 hours a week. In 6 months, that is a lot of money you save.

...I haven't got anyone further than this but I imagine it will be much easier after this if the response is positive. Our courses are valid in 6 months and since they are online, you can learn any time you want...anyway not trying to sell u guys lol, but I desperately need some tips!
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  • Profile picture of the author Colm Whelan
    I know nothing about telesales but if you tried that script on me you wouldn't get past "Surveys". TO ME it reads as unengaging and I don't feel the pain at all.

    Also, what kind of line is " we would like to take more responsibility for " - it certainly doesn't sound convincing to me. Is this script in Spanish to begin with and is it losing something in translation?
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    • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
      Originally Posted by Colm Whelan View Post

      I know nothing about telesales but if you tried that script on me you wouldn't get past "Surveys". TO ME it reads as unengaging and I don't feel the pain at all.

      Also, what kind of line is " we would like to take more responsibility for " - it certainly doesn't sound convincing to me. Is this script in Spanish to begin with and is it losing something in translation?
      Yes English is not my first language...do you have any suggestions as to what I could say instead? I read somewhere that the first 45 seconds are the most important
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  • Profile picture of the author David Miller
    Why have you decided to change the script before you have tried using it? I am guilty of the same thing myself. I look at a script that a company hands me and I think, hey, this doesn't sound like me, so I rewrite it so it sounds like me. Only problem with that is that I have no idea if "sounding like me" is going to make the sale.

    If a company that is selling a product (assuming that there is a successful track record of sales) hands a script to employees, it usually means that the script they give out works. Before I would make changes to it, I would use the one that has a track record.

    Here's a personal anecdote to further make my point:
    10 years ago I went to work for a company that had a decent reputation and also had a good amount of incoming leads being generated, which is like a little slice of heaven in telemarketing! The company had a very well structured sales script that had a measurable track record of success. Like most sales organizations, there was some turnover, although less than many that I've seen (most likely because of the amount and quality of leads) so I had the opportunity to see a number of people come and go.

    I remember there was one new sales rep in particular, he was in the booth next to me, and I was listening to him "pitch" and I noticed that he was not using anything remotely close to the script that we were trained on. Over coffee I mentioned to him that the "script really does work" and he should use it. I will never forget his reply, because it's the reason that I've always used the scripts I have been handed when they have a track record. He said, " I think it's better to have a straight up conversation with people than some canned script." He then went on to tell me that he had 5 prospects ready to come on board.

    Here's the end of the story....no one came on board, and there was a new person in the booth next to me.

    So my advice to you is, unless the company told you to write your own script, use what they gave you. Sorry I took so long to get to that point...but who doesn't love a good story!
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    • 1. make the calls

      2. script designed to give them "whats in it for them"
      A. What benefits are there for your services that can potentially solve
      a companies needs?
      B. Ask gatekeepers and everybody else "how did I do?" or
      "this is really a good thing, so what feedback can you give me
      to make me communicate better?"
      C. Even though you only use Office 3-4 hours a week, you can save 1-2 hours a week. In 6 months, that is a lot of money you save.
      to....
      "with the economy tough as it is, and competition, And how busy you are....Are you and the company, looking for ways to save money And save time?

      3. make more calls

      4. during this time your mindset is : your "learning curve" and "the beat up" stage, so rely on your belief in yourself, and that the service can help, and it really is a #'s game.

      5. Take rejection more and more so you feel it less and less and adapt.

      6. make more calls, and don't give up before the required time to get results.

      7. the hardest 1 to do, but the most effective. relax, have fun, listen and try to have a positive dialogue

      it's mostly in your head.

      you can do it!
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      • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
        Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

        1. make the calls

        2. script designed to give them "whats in it for them"
        A. What benefits are there for your services that can potentially solve
        a companies needs?
        B. Ask gatekeepers and everybody else "how did I do?" or
        "this is really a good thing, so what feedback can you give me
        to make me communicate better?"
        C. Even though you only use Office 3-4 hours a week, you can save 1-2 hours a week. In 6 months, that is a lot of money you save.
        to....
        "with the economy tough as it is, and competition, And how busy you are....Are you and the company, looking for ways to save money And save time?

        3. make more calls

        4. during this time your mindset is : your "learning curve" and "the beat up" stage, so rely on your belief in yourself, and that the service can help, and it really is a #'s game.

        5. Take rejection more and more so you feel it less and less and adapt.

        6. make more calls, and don't give up before the required time to get results.

        7. the hardest 1 to do, but the most effective. relax, have fun, listen and try to have a positive dialogue

        it's mostly in your head.

        you can do it!
        Thanks! Will try those out!
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      • Profile picture of the author s62731
        Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

        1. make the calls

        2. script designed to give them "whats in it for them"
        A. What benefits are there for your services that can potentially solve
        a companies needs?
        B. Ask gatekeepers and everybody else "how did I do?" or
        "this is really a good thing, so what feedback can you give me
        to make me communicate better?"
        C. Even though you only use Office 3-4 hours a week, you can save 1-2 hours a week. In 6 months, that is a lot of money you save.
        to....
        "with the economy tough as it is, and competition, And how busy you are....Are you and the company, looking for ways to save money And save time?

        3. make more calls

        4. during this time your mindset is : your "learning curve" and "the beat up" stage, so rely on your belief in yourself, and that the service can help, and it really is a #'s game.

        5. Take rejection more and more so you feel it less and less and adapt.

        6. make more calls, and don't give up before the required time to get results.

        7. the hardest 1 to do, but the most effective. relax, have fun, listen and try to have a positive dialogue

        it's mostly in your head.

        you can do it!
        +1. Awesome post
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    • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
      Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

      Why have you decided to change the script before you have tried using it? I am guilty of the same thing myself. I look at a script that a company hands me and I think, hey, this doesn't sound like me, so I rewrite it so it sounds like me. Only problem with that is that I have no idea if "sounding like me" is going to make the sale.

      If a company that is selling a product (assuming that there is a successful track record of sales) hands a script to employees, it usually means that the script they give out works. Before I would make changes to it, I would use the one that has a track record.

      Here's a personal anecdote to further make my point:
      10 years ago I went to work for a company that had a decent reputation and also had a good amount of incoming leads being generated, which is like a little slice of heaven in telemarketing! The company had a very well structured sales script that had a measurable track record of success. Like most sales organizations, there was some turnover, although less than many that I've seen (most likely because of the amount and quality of leads) so I had the opportunity to see a number of people come and go.

      I remember there was one new sales rep in particular, he was in the booth next to me, and I was listening to him "pitch" and I noticed that he was not using anything remotely close to the script that we were trained on. Over coffee I mentioned to him that the "script really does work" and he should use it. I will never forget his reply, because it's the reason that I've always used the scripts I have been handed when they have a track record. He said, " I think it's better to have a straight up conversation with people than some canned script." He then went on to tell me that he had 5 prospects ready to come on board.

      Here's the end of the story....no one came on board, and there was a new person in the booth next to me.

      So my advice to you is, unless the company told you to write your own script, use what they gave you. Sorry I took so long to get to that point...but who doesn't love a good story!
      Project leader asked me to write my own script based on theirs. Actually the first line is unchanged, actually it goes something like this, translated to English: "We are taking responsibility to improve Spanish people's co-worker's IT competences", but I think it is a really bad start that is why I am writing here!
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  • Profile picture of the author bit twiddler
    Before you can be proficient at creating scripts, you need to learn and internalize proven scripts. We all learn by an age old system, sustained repetition. Some need to repeat something a few times, and others many times. However, just learning the scripts as they are written isn't enough, but this is where it begins. After learning the scripts, you begin to realize that body language (that's right, I said body language while on the phone) and what tones in your voice generally work best at certain times with particular personalities you encounter. You begin to denote the nuances of your scripts when blended with your personality and the client, or prospect, personalities.

    Learn the scripts, then learn to perform them appropriately for the many different personality types you encounter.

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    • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
      Originally Posted by bit twiddler View Post

      Before you can be proficient at creating scripts, you need to learn and internalize proven scripts. We all learn by an age old system, sustained repetition. Some need to repeat something a few times, and others many times. However, just learning the scripts as they are written isn't enough, but this is where it begins. After learning the scripts, you begin to realize that body language (that's right, I said body language while on the phone) and what tones in your voice generally work best at certain times with particular personalities you encounter. You begin to denote the nuances of your scripts when blended with your personality and the client, or prospect, personalities.

      Learn the scripts, then learn to perform them appropriately for the many different personality types you encounter.

      T J
      Thank you for the suggestions!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    To the OP:

    You know, I've looked at this thread several times. Each time until now I've shook my head at the script that the other company gave you. "Incredulous" is the emotion that I'd like to share with you, that I experience when I read it. They actually expect that to *work*?? I'm glad you asked for help!

    The people who have taken the time to respond have done a good job of sharing advice. Certainly, get a script together that tells prospects What's In It For Them. Definitely make the calls (though if you make the calls with a lousy script, you'll just end up depressed and with poor results).

    Let me do something different. Let me give you an actual script that you can work with. I would normally charge $1,000 or more for this! I promise it will get you better results than what you've been experiencing.

    First, make sure you're talking to the decision maker.

    "Hi, <prospect's name>, my name is <your name>, and I'm with <company name>. We're an education and training firm that shows people how to use common software much more effectively and save money that way. Typically, <organization type that you're calling into--small businesses?> bring us on board because they are:

    * frustrated with Excel when they're trying to do payroll; the forumulas are giving them the wrong results, and their employees' paycheques end up being wrong

    * concerned about marketing material that they're making internally using Microsoft Word, which they know could look much better to their customers if they understood more tips and tricks in Word

    * upset that labor dollars and hours are being wasted by their staff on re-working documents that should have been created right the first time.

    But I don't know if you're even experiencing any of these issues..."

    Trail off and be quiet! Wait for the prospect to respond.

    If they tell you that Yes, they are experiencing something like one of those typical reasons, then you know what to sell based on.

    If they tell you No, say this:

    "Okay. Well, before I hang up, can I ask you one more quick question?" <Pause for comfirmation from prospect> "You probably don't experience problems with Windows in everyday use of your computers do you?...things that are expensive to get a hired IT guy to come in and fix, which would be much better for you to fix yourself...?"

    (This phrasing allows them to say No, and you not to lose face. It's a technique that works 'live', speaking, but not in print. Anybody who wants to know more about this, PM or leave a visitor message for me.)

    If they agree that that's an issue for them, then you can continue talking. If they don't then it's probably not a fit: say, "Didn't think so. Well, sounds like we're not a fit today." Wait a second to see if they jump in with a question or statement. If they confirm or don't say anything, then say, "Thanks for your time" and hang up.

    This script gives several opportunities for the prospect to tell you about real, urgent problems that they are having which you can solve. If they do start sharing something with you, then keep asking questions until you're sure you both understand what's happening in their world of "pain". If you're scheduling appointments for salespeople to go see these prospects in person, do this quickly: suggest the appointment after you get some pain on the table. If you're trying for a one-call close, keep digging for pain and qualifying your prospect.

    This will be much more effective than that terrible script you've been given.
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    • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
      Originally Posted by kaniganj View Post

      ......

      This will be much more effective than that terrible script you've been given.
      Thank you so much! I'll definitely be trying this script Monday!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Come back and tell us how it went. How your conversations with prospects were, how you were able to uncover pain, whether you were able to have genuine dialogue with people. OK?
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  • Profile picture of the author David Miller
    Great script Jason!
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    • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
      Well it didn't go too well...People don't allow me to speak further than 1-2 sentences in the script...

      I had to change the script to instantly qualify people, because people didn't allow me to speak:

      Hello, this is... from ... . To say it shortly, we are helping people to get better at Office and Windows at their workplace. Can I get 2 minutes to explain what this is about? (No: When can I call back?)

      (Yes) It has been shown that most people actually only use 5-10% of what they really can do, and that creates a lot of wastehours which could be used for real working hours.

      What we do is help companies with everything that has to do with Office, when they are making payrolls in Excel, or offers in Word, or whatever you do in Office, then there are stuff that they know they can solve more effectively, but just don't know about...is that something you recognize?

      (No) Okay, well can I ask you 1 more quick question? How about Windows, do your workers know how to use it properly?

      (Yes) Okay. The reason I ask is that we would like to get rid of the traditional method of educating workers, where you take a whole day out of the calendar to learn something basic. Our courses are online, meaning you can use the courses whenever you want, and without stopping work for longer periods...just one of our courses is equal to 4 whole-day courses. What applications do you use the most?

      --And then go from there to keep qualifying.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Ah. I see the problem. Go to this post of mine and you'll see what to do at the start. There's a missing step. You need to ask them for permission to speak. The fear of the prospect is that they're going to be stuck on the phone with a salesperson forever.
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  • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
    Okay..will try that now
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  • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
    I am getting closer, but there is so much to say it inevitably sounds too scripted! The ones I get closer to say "I have what I need, and it works fine as it is."

    My boss said if they say that, you should talk about the time they can save, "20minutes pr document, that would be a lot of hours pr week."
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  • Profile picture of the author SpanishGuy
    I usually say "well then how do you make offers?" They always say "In Word" but then they say it works great as it is...cognitive dissonance...Don't need what you don't know. How to work around that?
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    • don't forget these are scripted responses to what you say.

      so you can't take it literally.

      gatekeepers, owners, managers always come back with standard lines.

      It's what you say and how you say it that is important.
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    • Originally Posted by SpanishGuy View Post

      I usually say "well then how do you make offers?" They always say "In Word" but then they say it works great as it is...cognitive dissonance...Don't need what you don't know. How to work around that?
      My hope is you don't get to caught up in all this advice and distracts you from just making the calls.

      the real answer is to keep calling and talking and you will find what works best for you. Human nature dictates we find what rewards us and lowers adversity.

      Can there be a "best way" that isn't your way?

      example : I like the word Fantastic. but others don't.
      say it or not is up to you.
      now if you can prove that anybody saying that word gets you more sales, we should all be saying it.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheLocalCoach
        Originally Posted by kaniganj View Post

        To the OP:
        "Hi, <prospect's name>, my name is <your name>, and I'm with <company name>. We help companies like yours show their staff how to use common software much more effectively and save money that way. Typically, <organization type that you're calling into--small businesses?> bring us on board because they are:

        * concerned about marketing material that they're making internally using Microsoft Word, which they know could look much better to their customers if they understood more tips and tricks in Word

        * frustrated with Excel when they're trying to create or update spreadsheets; the formulas are giving them errors, and they can't make
        make charts and graphs

        * upset that labor dollars and hours are being wasted by their staff on re-working documents that should have been created right the first time.

        I don't know if you have people in your company even experiencing any of these issues..."

        Trail off and be quiet! Wait for the prospect to respond.

        If they tell you that Yes, they are experiencing something like one of those typical reasons, then you know what to sell based on.
        Jason has provided an excellent script template, that I would tweak slightly (see edits in bold in quote above). One of the key tweaks is changing "I don't know if YOU're experiencing any of these issues..." The subtle inference is that the person you're speaking must not be very good with Office. So I would change this to direct the question outwardly (you want the person you're speaking with to envision the "idiots" down the hall who struggle with basic Office skills- because they, of course, are A+ students!).

        Also I would change your first example of a "pain" because its too specific and doesn't immediately call up an image most firms can relate to (doing payroll in Excel, & having errors on paychecks). Actually I'm not crazy about the Word example either, but don't have a better suggestion at moment.

        I'm not a fan, however of this approach from Jason:

        Originally Posted by kaniganj View Post

        If they tell you No, say this:

        "Okay. Well, before I hang up, can I ask you one more quick question?" <Pause for confirmation from prospect> "You probably don't experience problems with Windows in everyday use of your computers do you?...things that are expensive to get a hired IT guy to come in and fix, which would be much better for you to fix yourself...?"
        I understand the strategy, and this can work in a numbers game, but this kind of language might be perceived as challenging the prospect, and could leave a bad taste and tarnish your company's reputation. While a telemarketer may not care (they're already dialing the next number), the business owner may. It often takes 8-12 "touches" before a prospect buys, so I don't want to do anything that may hurt my chances on a later touch.

        The other question for you is (Jason points this out too): are you talking to the right person? If you are using this script on a gatekeeper whose job it is to answer phones, you are wasting your time. The only thing you want to do with the gatekeeper is to get through the "gate" to the right person who cares about, either saving the company money, or more probably, making themselves look good to their boss!

        Good luck, and keep trying, failing, learning and trying some more!
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  • Profile picture of the author tryinhere
    frustrated with Excel when they're trying to do payroll; the formulas are giving them the wrong results, and their employees' paychecks end up being wrong
    I do not buy this line of talk, for what reason would it stand up or make sense ? to sell excel first understand excel, it is not something you will bat out perfect in a few short weeks, so that type of statement above is very wrong in many ways to pitch ?

    Are you expecting the employees to continue to get wrong paychecks for weeks while they train somebody who may or may not get a grasp on excel and quite possibly batch it up into an even bigger mess ?

    Why would not people with an excel problem such as bad payroll outcomes if it were possible just spend a few $ and outsource somebody who knew the application to write the product they needed and have it done properly.

    Given all of that the line or angle of attack is probably not going to hit home.

    I also wonder if you have taken a role as a direct sales tele marketing why they do not have a proven script that works ? or is this B grade billy ray bobs first attempt at cold calling as well.

    Maybe and just maybe something along the lines of our research shows the average company spends xyz $ per annum outsourcing common office work which is often done to a sub par level where it often needed to be redone or is left inferior to what the company wants and where your abc office tutor offers a solution and piece of mind at a once only reduced once only cost for the first 12 customers this month, which solves 2 problems giving a reduced cost for new and existing upgrades to office apps and the privacy and connivance of updates that are based on what the company wants and not expensive, badly timed, non target outsourced upgrades.

    or to that effect. and what certificates do they get from this course your offering ? are they accredited courses / different level, like beginner intermediate and or advanced excel per say ? a boss may buy it for the employees if there is a benefit to staff.

    what supporting on going backup do you have ? lets say you teach my staff excel and we can't still work a payroll formula do you have a support helpline ?

    Tired but it may help
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    @EatDrinkTextJay:

    You improved the script! Thanks!

    SpanishGuy says it's taking him too long to get these words out, and it could be shortened. I hope he took a look at other sales training articles on my blog (where I GIVE AWAY expertise that cost me thousands of dollars to learn), where he would see that I recommend taking the script and turning the phrasing into words that you are comfortable using.

    Note that I took the pain points from SpanishGuy's original script and worked them into something that made sense. I was not paid to research the underlying reasons his existing clients chose to do business with the company he works for in order to develop these pain points--that would be more expensive than a Warrior post can handle! So really we are just guessing.

    Now when I draft these pain points, even after research, I don't expect to get them all right on the first try. With time and process the script improves until you get one that runs on full burners. There will be one or two pain points at the start that do well, and at least one that flops. You know this because you hear things: "Yes", "Right", grunt of affirmation for the ones that do resonate, and dead silence, negative noise or other barely verbal cues for those that are not working. But you have to make at least 100 calls to properly test these. The temptation for newbies to cold calling is to freak out after a half-dozen calls and say the script isn't working, when in fact they haven't internalized and become comfortable with it, and adapted it to their own voice.

    About the "asking a quick question before I go" part, that is a standard consultative selling tactic. Note that you ask for permission to ask the additional question and wait for the OK. We are "fishing for pain" and I word it with negative reverse selling technique, an advanced method that allows them to say "No" and you not to lose face. It has not bothered anyone I've ever called.

    I think the key here is to get comfortable with the script, shorten it up, yes (we always have to do this) and get down in wording that you actually use but communicates the same ideas.

    OH, ONE FINAL THOUGHT:

    After you've asked for the quick minute to tell them why you called, and you give your "30 Second Commercial" as some call it or "Core Message" as I call it, you are going to talk for what will probably be the longest time (on your end) on the entire call. This IS your script, it is going to sound a little scripted, because it's the consistent message you want to get out. Don't worry about this; the prospect knows that there is going to be some part of the message that is scripted in a sales call. Get it on the table, see if any of the pain points resonate, and start asking related questions about what is going on in the prospect's world about that particular issue.
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  • spanish guy

    here is a thread to a video in which you might find some good inofmation

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ml#post4942075
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