Who should own your Google Places listing: You or your client?

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If you're making a completely new Google Places listing and website for a client, who "owns" the listing and website?

Because if the client owns it he or she can easily stop paying you and feel comfortable with the optimization and traffic you've given thus far. At one point, especially with Google Places, any additional effort won't yield much results and I can see clients not wanting to pay any monthly Google Places fee once their listing has already been thoroughly optimized.
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  • Profile picture of the author 1960Texan
    This isn't a matter of ownership, it's a matter of trust. Technically, Google owns the listing. That said, if you think you're going to have any longevity in this business by hijacking your client's Google listing, you are mistaken.

    I sign up new clients every week, and I do it by establishing trust. Ironically enough, one of the ways that I gain their trust is by explaining to them that there are plenty of marketers out there doing exactly what you are proposing. I then show them how I differ from the competition, all the while explaining that they have the ultimate control over their website and listings.

    It's like shooting fish in a barrel. In fact, I think I'm going to print out your question and show it to a prospect I'm meeting with tomorrow.

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    They should be given control of it at the time they cancel with you.

    Honestly sometimes reading this forum I wonder how people here get business. Business relationships are built on trust. if you have a good service and the price is right they will pay.
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    • Profile picture of the author easygoingdude
      Originally Posted by lordauric View Post

      They should be given control of it at the time they cancel with you.

      Honestly sometimes reading this forum I wonder how people here get business. Business relationships are built on trust. if you have a good service and the price is right they will pay.
      True, but, at the same time, SEO service providers have to protect themselves from being exploited. After all, that's what businesses do, exploit (their workers) and profit.

      I agree that this has to be built on trust, but I can also see clients taking advantage of this system.
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      • Profile picture of the author JR Consulting
        Originally Posted by easygoingdude View Post

        True, but, at the same time, businesses have to protect themselves from being exploited. After all, that's what businesses do, exploit (their workers) and profit.

        I agree that this has to be built on trust, but I can also see clients taking advantage of this system.
        So don't target cheap ass mofos as clients.

        IF something like that were to happen, just leave a review on the listing about it and be done with it. Don't spend so much time worrying about what "might" happen.

        And how exactly are they exploiting you if they paid you to do something and then you did it and they don't want to keep paying you afterwards for something you already did? lol What do you want them to do, keep paying you forever?
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    • Profile picture of the author abubakar89
      Originally Posted by lordauric View Post

      They should be given control of it at the time they cancel with you.

      Honestly sometimes reading this forum I wonder how people here get business. Business relationships are built on trust. if you have a good service and the price is right they will pay.
      Finally I found someone who cares for relationship in business
      Its good to hear
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        You are not going to get very far in this business if you are trying blackmail clients into staying with you.

        If you are that worried about them leaving you, perhaps it would be a good idea to take a look at what level of service you are providing to them. If you are making them money, and not being an asshole about it, they will never leave.

        If they see your service as money down the drain because you either are not doing much for them or have done a bad job showing them all the benefits they are receiving from your relationship together, they are going to dump you. And they should dump you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JR Consulting
    Originally Posted by easygoingdude View Post

    If you're making a completely new Google Places listing and website for a client, who "owns" the listing and website?

    Because if the client owns it he or she can easily stop paying you and feel comfortable with the optimization and traffic you've given thus far. At one point, especially with Google Places, any additional effort won't yield much results and I can see clients not wanting to pay any monthly Google Places fee once their listing has already been thoroughly optimized.
    So what exactly would you do if you had control over the listing and they wanted to stop paying? Take it down? lol

    You do realize that they have the right to that listing, right? WAY more right than you have to it, since it's THEIR company and THEIR brand. Even if you were to hijack it from them, they'd have a 100% case with Google to have Google get it back for them.

    If they pay you to get it to the first page and then you get it there and they want to stop paying you it doesn't give you the right to take it down or do anything harmful to it. They paid you for the work you did. Depending on the competition, a listing might need on-going work to keep the high ranking, so if they start slipping they'll probably come back to you anyway. Or maybe they'll want another service like social media or web design or something.

    Don't hijack your client's listing if they don't want to keep paying you once you get them to a high ranking. They paid you to get them there and you got them there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    Protect yourself by pricing right. If you are doing more in the begining charge more for the first month or so and then go into a lower monthly basic maintence ppackage. Let them know if google has a major revision or such you may need to have a special project again like in the begining to fix it.

    You're building trust and pricing in a way they won't leave.

    If I am paying you $100 a month I will likely not cancel if I am seeing value. If I am paying $500 a month and don't think you are doing anything I will cancel.

    But if you show me that it will take time and effort in the begining I might pay $1500 for the first 3 months and startup and than be willing to pay $100 a month.

    You want to get recurring income which means you want it to be little work on your part and be unlikely to cancel. If it doesn't require much work price it so they never have a reason to cancel.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dexx
    Easy solution: Charge enough up front that you are satisfied if that ends up being the ONLY money you were to receive for your work...all additional payments are then a bonus.

    Charge $500 Setup + $100/mo (for example), and then if by month 3 they stop paying you...then you stop working on their marketing.

    Your margins should be more than enough that the $800 (just an example, pricing differs by the niche) you would have collected would easily leave you a healthy profit.

    Cheers,

    ~Dexx
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick88
      As to who owns the Google Places and the website it depends. The Google Places the business owns as was stated above.

      The website on the other hand depends on how you set it up. If they had the site before you came along or they paid you to do the site for them then they own.

      As to the paying part. No work should be done until it has already been paid for. No exceptions. However if you can create it and get the owner to rent it then you have complete control and they have no recourse provided that you have a signed contract.
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  • Profile picture of the author RockstarBen
    I am going to put this in another perspective... A business perspective... Any good business person, if they are serious, should have an exit strategy. Whether or not you implement it is another story, but you should always have an actionable plan of exiting (i.e. selling) your business.

    Now, consulting businesses are a tricky thing to exit. Why? Because in most cases - YOU ARE THE BUSINESS! So, here is what I recommend: own and control EVERYTHING you can! I am not saying or suggesting you take on a client and hijack their places listing - that is crap business practice. What I am saying is that you can optimize a site, and perhaps a places listing for a niche, if you so choose - and lease it out. If it is valuable, they will lease it. Simple. And I am not really saying this is right for places, but since the subject came up on who owns what, I thought I'd chime in...

    The reason behind this... You have an asset that has a cashflow value. Remember that whole exit plan? Now, before I give up all of my tricks - I encourage you to think about ways you can have more assets that produce cashflow for your biz that can replace your service income. Doing so will give you a very valuable business in which you can easily place a favorable multiple.

    Some folks may disagree with me, but we will see who has the big smile on his face and gets the big multiple on their biz when (and if) it comes time to exit :-)

    Keep Rockin!
    --Ben
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  • Profile picture of the author Danielm
    As everyone else said, they are the business, not you. They are paying you to optimize their listing, if at some point they don't want you to perform that service anymore you haven't lost anything and the listing isn't some bargaining chip for you to try to get more fees out of.

    I have a current client where the last guy registered their domain name in his name. When he didn't get the giant contract that he hoped he held the name for 2 years, legal threats, etc. Now they are totally gunshy and only opened up when I went in for a meeting and we sat and talked for awhile. Even then one of their employees got worried when I said I needed the login for the website so I could update their pages.

    Don't be that guy.
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  • Profile picture of the author RKCastillo
    The Google Places & the Website are 2 different things to me.

    Remember...Business Owners talk to other business owners. A good name is worth more than all the money in the world to me.

    That being said, I think they own the Google Place page.

    But depending on who is hosting the website and how much it cost you to design the website that will determine who "owns" the website. Unless the website was built under a trademarked name you can keep the website and sell the leads to another business in the niche.

    But if you're going to do that make sure you're upfront about it. Make sure the business owner knows that if they discontinue service with you, you will keep the website and sell it to one of their competitors. Or something like that.
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