My way to 10.000€ per month

by j3rki
21 replies
Hi everybody,

this is my first post at the warriorforum!

Im in IM since like a year. Workless in germany and dream of a big IM carrier

Im 20 yo, sportsaddicted and left school cause of depressions.
Im very intelligent, learn fast and now have the power to get started! :p


Made some money with facebookvirals (tos-friendly) and CPAs but not that much. Like 8k this year. And my big problem with CPAs and other online stuff: no recurring money rollin in every month. Because of that bad point I decide to start offline!

My plan is to offer offlinebusinesses a website or diretory submisson and guaranteed 200 visitors per month which are 200 potential customers! If I wont get them 200 visitors per month, they will get my services for 1 year for FREE!

Little trick: I will buy 5-7 visitors per day and link them to that website

I will charg 50 to 100 euros per month for this services. It will contain maintance of the website, seo with some tools and all the things like that. The guarantee will bring me many contracts and 100-200 signups will be doable!

What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I think you're trading in a good thing here.

    One, it seems what you might have planned, may be unethical. Never purchase traffic, most of it is BS anyway unless you're doing real advertising.

    I think your plan is a bad idea. It will take more work and less rewards than CPA. A directory, is a great idea.. guaranteeing traffic, and delivering by unethical methods, is not the way to go and you will fail.

    You should have just scaled up your CPA, get involved in adsense and affiliate marketing if you're already doing IM. I think either reshape your plan, or stick with internet marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
    Sounds like a get-rich-quick scheme that could quickly earn you a lawsuit for fraud if you're not careful with how you present this "traffic".

    Even if it doesn't, businesspeople aren't idiots. When they see how abysmal the ROI is, they'll quickly drop you and tell their friends.
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    • Forget those guys! People are always so negative towards original ideas! I mean a warning won't hurt... but some of that was plain mean.

      Breaking away from the crowd with your sales pitch is a good idea in and of it's self. Then you just added the icing on the cake with the directory/ traffic promises. Once they see the Analytics data with Googles trademark on the page! They will light up with smiles! And yes, they will tell their friends, only about the good things that you have done!

      My 2 cents. Great orginal idea, i'll keep that one in mind.

      I think you could even do it by getting them REAL traffic from Google, (probably going to pay a few bucks per click, but hey worth it in the end), and they might even get some real business out of it!

      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I think you're trading in a good thing here.

      One, it seems what you might have planned, may be unethical. Never purchase traffic, most of it is BS anyway unless you're doing real advertising.

      I think your plan is a bad idea. It will take more work and less rewards than CPA. A directory, is a great idea.. guaranteeing traffic, and delivering by unethical methods, is not the way to go and you will fail.

      You should have just scaled up your CPA, get involved in adsense and affiliate marketing if you're already doing IM. I think either reshape your plan, or stick with internet marketing.
      Originally Posted by Verisimilitude View Post

      Sounds like a get-rich-quick scheme that could quickly earn you a lawsuit for fraud if you're not careful with how you present this "traffic".

      Even if it doesn't, businesspeople aren't idiots. When they see how abysmal the ROI is, they'll quickly drop you and tell their friends.
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      • Profile picture of the author j3rki
        So yeah its a way to get huge recurring numbers.

        BUT

        90% of the keywords here in my city has no bids on it. 20 cent clicks will roll in. Im sure I will get some real traffic. That bought visitors are just to keep me out of the guarantee. Ever thought how hard it is to do SEO for about 20 month for free? NAAAH!

        Dont worry, I will bring them real customers

        edit: cant send pms yet. send me ur skype an I will add you @backtrack
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Backtrack Linkback View Post

        Forget those guys! People are always so negative towards original ideas! I mean a warning won't hurt... but some of that was plain mean.

        Breaking away from the crowd with your sales pitch is a good idea in and of it's self. Then you just added the icing on the cake with the directory/ traffic promises. Once they see the Analytics data with Googles trademark on the page! They will light up with smiles! And yes, they will tell their friends, only about the good things that you have done!

        My 2 cents. Great orginal idea, i'll keep that one in mind.

        I think you could even do it by getting them REAL traffic from Google, (probably going to pay a few bucks per click, but hey worth it in the end), and they might even get some real business out of it!
        You view my post as negative but it is realistic. This forum isn't about get rich quick schemes, it isn't about delivering garbage in order to get paid. Sorry for giving honest feedback when someone has asked for it.

        Unfortunately, it isn't an original idea, it has been done many times and there are many traffic scams going on just like he mentioned.

        charging 50-100 a month, and generating the 200 clicks via adwords, is not going to work. Maybe using 7search with their CF feature but unique visits, and high quality traffic, no way.

        To make 10K a month, this is not a viable long term method.

        Don't believe me? Okay.... for a dollar a click, 200 clicks would be $200... charging 50-100, yeah it isn't going to work that way. Charging 100 per client, it takes 100 clients. You can't handle PPC for 100 clients unless you have a serious team. You can't legitimately do SEO for more than 10 clients at a time without a very well structured outsource team.

        To the OP, you say you can get 10 cent clicks, cool... the problem is those 10 cent clicks are likely to be very low traffic, or low quality. I can get 10 cent clicks too, but the traffic is downright awful. Remember.. broad match is not exact match.

        You want to make 10K a month? Provide real value. Stick with internet marketing instead of offline because your current way of thinking is not fit for the offline world. It is a big adjustment, trust me, I went through it as well and I used to look for easy ways to generate offline income instead of focusing on helping others.

        Offline can be a gold mine.... if you work it right and if you can deliver great results.

        An offline directory could be great... but here is a realistic look at what you are trying to offer. One of the most sucessful marketing directories for lawyers, charges $600-1,500 a month for their directory listings, and don't guarantee any amount of traffic. On average clients might get about 10-15 leads from it if they are lucky. You're trying to compete with a multi billion dollar company, but offering 200 visitors a month... to meet your goal, you need 100 clients and a minimum of 20,000 unique visitors. Do you even have a directory that gets 20K visitors a month?

        Forget that... do you have a directory that can do 200K visits a month so your clients can have a 10% click through if SUPER SUPER SUPER optimized?

        You really might as well do affiliate offers and CPA... you could pay for traffic to those. Find some that offer money on the backend so you have recurring income.
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  • Profile picture of the author j3rki
    So:

    If I own a diretory I could offer leads for about 20€ per month. Is that correct?

    Many directorys are for free here in germany.. Why should they pay 20€ per month for it?

    Only if I say my directory gains about XXX traffic each month...
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by j3rki View Post

      So:

      If I own a diretory I could offer leads for about 20€ per month. Is that correct?

      Many directorys are for free here in germany.. Why should they pay 20€ per month for it?

      Only if I say my directory gains about XXX traffic each month...
      Many websites are free on the internet. Why should my clients pay anywhere from $500-15,000 for a website? Because they want results, and they want quality, that is why!

      You can't guarantee traffic unless you are doing something sketchy.

      A lot of people on this forum make a living off of selling services that clients can find for free.

      I'd suggest just selling each lead flat out if you were to do a directory. Or, offer a free listing, but upsell them on SEO, google places, website, PPC management, etc.

      Honestly... if you only want 50-100 per client... start selling PPC management.. that way they truly get traffic, and you get paid to set it up for them. There are so many better ways to get started offline!
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      • Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        I'd suggest just selling each lead flat out if you were to do a directory. Or, offer a free listing, but upsell them on SEO, google places, website, PPC management, etc.
        Thats the idea, except free directory listings, that have "premium listings" for banners, etc, AND upsell the SEO as you build the relationship with them.

        Free will definitely get you in the door over most of your competitors.

        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        Honestly... if you only want 50-100 per client... start selling PPC management..
        I would raise the price too. You can charge them more and buy more traffic that way. It is a win win because they get more of what they want and so do you!
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        • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
          Originally Posted by Backtrack Linkback View Post

          Forget those guys! People are always so negative towards original ideas! I mean a warning won't hurt... but some of that was plain mean.

          Buying traffic is HARDLY an original idea. Providing site management and SEO is HARDLY an original idea. Doing both together is HARDLY an original idea.

          Breaking away from the crowd with your sales pitch is a good idea in and of it's self. Then you just added the icing on the cake with the directory/ traffic promises. Once they see the Analytics data with Googles trademark on the page! They will light up with smiles! And yes, they will tell their friends, only about the good things that you have done!

          Until they take a look at actual ROI, and notice that it doesn't match up with the analytics data AT ALL.

          My 2 cents. Great orginal idea, i'll keep that one in mind.

          I think you could even do it by getting them REAL traffic from Google, (probably going to pay a few bucks per click, but hey worth it in the end), and they might even get some real business out of it!
          Yeah, there's another term for that. It's called SEM. Nice to see you've finally discovered it.

          Originally Posted by Backtrack Linkback View Post

          Im not even going to waste the time reading his "nameless's" reply. The first thing I saw is that he called this a scam.

          Providing value for your clients is not a scam, in fact, that is why so many business owners like internet marketing..

          Junk traffic is hardly value.

          .20 per click is awesome. I see up to $5 - $10 for the average client here in the US. It does GREATLY depend on the niche that you are viewing though.
          $5-$10 per click as an average for a beginner with no established credibility!?!

          Take a look at a rate card by a MAJOR player in the CPC business.

          https://merchant.shopping.com/enroll...=page/RateCard

          Educate yourself before coming on here and spouting BS.

          Originally Posted by Backtrack Linkback View Post

          Thats the idea, except free directory listings, that have "premium listings" for banners, etc, AND upsell the SEO as you build the relationship with them.

          Yes, because he's totally going to be able to upsell his SEO after his client sees the discrepancies between CTR, Conversion Rate, and ROI.

          Free will definitely get you in the door over most of your competitors.


          I would raise the price too. You can charge them more and buy more traffic that way. It is a win win because they get more of what they want and so do you!

          You MUST be joking.


          I sense a disturbance within the force... must be the massive amounts of backpedaling that's about to ensue.
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    • Originally Posted by j3rki View Post

      So:

      If I own a diretory I could offer leads for about 20€ per month. Is that correct?

      Many directorys are for free here in germany.. Why should they pay 20€ per month for it?

      Only if I say my directory gains about XXX traffic each month...
      Im not even going to waste the time reading his "nameless's" reply. The first thing I saw is that he called this a scam.

      Providing value for your clients is not a scam, in fact, that is why so many business owners like internet marketing..

      .20 per click is awesome. I see up to $5 - $10 for the average client here in the US. It does GREATLY depend on the niche that you are viewing though.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Backtrack Linkback View Post

        Im not even going to waste the time reading his "nameless's" reply. The first thing I saw is that he called this a scam.

        Providing value for your clients is not a scam, in fact, that is why so many business owners like internet marketing..
        Thank you for announcing that you weren't going to read it. It was a bit unnecessary since it shows you didn't read what I said. Perhaps you didn't read what the OP originally said as well. I said to provide value.. maybe you missed that.

        I can provide you with 1,000 hits a day of fake, artificially generated traffic. I could send 100 hits a day to any website, of low quality, irrelevant visitors. Or... I can build you a website, and SEO it to maybe get a few highly targeted, highly profitable leads every month. What sounds best to you?

        You said I called this a scam... I said there are plenty of traffic scams out there. I suggest you try reading, instead of calling someone out. I think you either, misunderstood what I said, or you haven't really done much reading in this thread at all.

        I am offering help and advice, which is what the OP wanted. He left internet marketing due to the lack of longevity in his approach. I have offered alternative solutions that will offer more longevity and less hours compared to his original post.

        Anyway, I am not here to appease you. Whether you read what I say or not, there are many members on this board that do, and maybe the OP's questions and responses in this thread will offer value to other readers that are browsing the forum!
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        • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Thank you for announcing that you weren't going to read it. It was a bit unnecessary since it shows you didn't read what I said. Perhaps you didn't read what the OP originally said as well. I said to provide value.. maybe you missed that.

          I can provide you with 1,000 hits a day of fake, artificially generated traffic. I could send 100 hits a day to any website, of low quality, irrelevant visitors. Or... I can build you a website, and SEO it to maybe get a few highly targeted, highly profitable leads every month. What sounds best to you?

          You said I called this a scam... I said there are plenty of traffic scams out there. I suggest you try reading, instead of calling someone out. I think you either, misunderstood what I said, or you haven't really done much reading in this thread at all.

          I am offering help and advice, which is what the OP wanted. He left internet marketing due to the lack of longevity in his approach. I have offered alternative solutions that will offer more longevity and less hours compared to his original post.

          Anyway, I am not here to appease you. Whether you read what I say or not, there are many members on this board that do, and maybe the OP's questions and responses in this thread will offer value to other readers that are browsing the forum!
          Mate don't worry about Backtrack, he is obviously out of it a little bit today. I mean, seriously. How can one support the idea of deceiving a business owner, telling them that they're going to get good quality, legitimate traffic - when really, you're sending them fake traffic?

          Holy ****, I can buy fake traffic for ridiculously low prices - you may as well offer them 10,000 visits per month and charge them accordingly, because either way, 100 or 10,000 - your fake traffic will not bring them anything and you KNOW it (both of you - including OP).

          Stop giving the industry a bad name.
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      • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
        Originally Posted by Backtrack Linkback View Post

        Im not even going to waste the time reading his "nameless's" reply. The first thing I saw is that he called this a scam.

        Providing value for your clients is not a scam, in fact, that is why so many business owners like internet marketing..

        .20 per click is awesome. I see up to $5 - $10 for the average client here in the US. It does GREATLY depend on the niche that you are viewing though.
        Bloke, are you for real? It IS a scam.

        Can YOU tell me how buying fake traffic and sending it to your clients website is NOT a scam? Please... I will wait for you ridiculous justification.

        This is the real world, not hardcore IM stuff where you can maybe try and be a bit dodgy.

        A real business owner is going to realise quick smart when your '100 visitors' are not producing any return for them. Do you think they really are that dumb?

        I really don't know how you can call this a good idea...
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        • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
          Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

          Bloke, are you for real? It IS a scam.

          Can YOU tell me how buying fake traffic and sending it to your clients website is NOT a scam? Please... I will wait for you ridiculous justification.

          This is the real world, not hardcore IM stuff where you can maybe try and be a bit dodgy.

          A real business owner is going to realise quick smart when your '100 visitors' are not producing any return for them. Do you think they really are that dumb?

          I really don't know how you can call this a good idea...
          What, his "PHD in Keyword Guruology" wasn't enough to clue you in to the fact that he's full of crap? :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author localbusinessguy
    Does it really matter where the traffic comes from as long as the businesses are getting a good ROI? Buying traffic from adwords is no different that SEO, just a lot quicker so go for it as long as it's ethical and it works for you and your clients.
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    • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
      Originally Posted by localbusinessguy View Post

      Does it really matter where the traffic comes from as long as the businesses are getting a good ROI? Buying traffic from adwords is no different that SEO, just a lot quicker so go for it as long as it's ethical and it works for you and your clients.
      Buying traffic from Adwords is fine, I don't think anyone is saying anything about that here.

      If you tell a client you'll get him 20 visits (not callers - *visits on website*) for $X amount per month - and they agree, then so be it. If you do a good job, you'll still send them decent traffic probably? I am not an Adwords expert, so I don't know.

      What I have a problem with, however, is not Adwords - but 'fake' traffic. I'm talking about the stuff you can buy 1,000's of hits for a couple of bucks, because it's that crappy. Getting that type of stuff and sending it to your clients website to simulate 'real visitors' is an out right scam.
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    • Profile picture of the author Verisimilitude
      Originally Posted by localbusinessguy View Post

      Does it really matter where the traffic comes from as long as the businesses are getting a good ROI? Buying traffic from adwords is no different that SEO, just a lot quicker so go for it as long as it's ethical and it works for you and your clients.
      You are correct. It doesn't matter where the traffic comes from if your client is getting good ROI.

      The issue lies in the fact that your client is unlikely to be getting good ROI if the traffic you are getting them is traffic you bought from some guy on fiverr or some other similar site
      . Granted, there is the possibility that the OP intended to buy targeted quality traffic from the start, but he did not specify that. Furthermore, if he was, I don't think he would be so confident that he would be able to control the rate of the traffic to an exact 5-7 per day.

      Buying traffic from adwords is not the same as "buying traffic" the way OP mentioned. Buying traffic through Google with AdWords is SEM. You can't guarantee how many clicks you get per day - you pay based off of how many clicks you actually get. You can't specify a predetermined amount of traffic and traffic/day rate ahead of time with Adwords unless your specified amount is lower than your true potential traffic through adwords. Even then you would be limiting it by limiting your budget. It's one thing to pay Google to place your business ad in their "sponsored links" section of search results in the hopes that people will take more notice of it than they normally would (perhaps because your site is on the 3rd page of search results, etc.). It's another thing to pay someone to "magically" generate direct traffic to your site (traffic is likely bogus or low quality. I'm hardly the only one on here who understands this risk). One of the biggest differences is that with AdWords, people won't see the ad unless they search for the relevant keywords. So it's targeted.

      Furthermore, take note that he's going to be offering his services to his local offline businesses. Since he's also offering them a website/directory submission, it's likely that his target clients are local businesses that don't currently have websites or at least well-designed ones. There's no guarantee that these businesses even have the competitive edge it takes to survive online - there are plenty of "local" mom&pop shops out there whose biggest appeals include physical presence in the community and involvement within the community. And yet I don't see him offering strategic branding/positioning services, media planning services or copywriting/art directing services. "That's their problem," people might say. Sure. But he's also trying to do this offline where accountability is a lot more real. You might be able to get away with burning a few clients over the internet, but it's not nearly as easy in person.

      It seems like there are a lot of internet marketers or aspiring internet marketers out there who are trying to run before they walk. They got the $ signs in their eyes, but haven't taken into account of all the steps it takes to get to the money. SEO/SEM is not magic. It does not magically generate profits for a business, even if done properly. It is a force multiplier. If your initial appeal is low to begin with, even a large multiplier won't do nearly as much good as you might think. When you further compound this with the fact that the force multiplier isn't typically very large (unless you're lucky enough to be in a niche where pretty much no one else does SEO/SEM), it starts to make sense why so many internet marketers out there set out to make a boatload of money and end up disappointed.

      I swiped this quote from someone a while back, but it still applies now.

      "You do not wake up one morning a bad person. It happens by a thousand tiny surrenders of self-respect to self-interest.


      -Robert Brault
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Jones
    I'm not against purchasing traffic. I have had som profitable campaigns from purchasing it. All depends on your ROI
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  • Profile picture of the author bepcongnghiep
    Sounds like a get-rich-quick scheme that could quickly earn you a lawsuit for fraud if you're not careful with how you present this "traffic".
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  • Profile picture of the author Marc Marseille
    businesses do not care about traffic..they want their phones to ring...If you can make their phones ring...then you have great plan, otherwise internet marketing may be the route you want to stick to...create products like the one you describe and sell it...
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  • Profile picture of the author timlane
    Offline marketing is in some ways more challenging and more real than online marketing. Business owners only do what makes them money. If they make more sales from your service, great.

    However bad traffic is useless. You cannot buy good quality "buyer" traffic. You have to hunt it down, and "herd" it to your customer.

    Even if you use PPC, its your keyword choices and bidding strategies that will make your traffic valuable, not the amount you paid for each click.
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