Make $5000 per month and be a hero.

Takiyo · 11th Dec 2011, 06:32 AM

This sounds like an interesting way to provide a good service locally and do well out of it at the same time. I will definitely have to look more into this in the new year, thanks.

Karen · 11th Dec 2011, 07:22 AM

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

An affordable alternative for anyone a little bit more thrifty would be to go to an awards place where they also make name tags. Comes in all colors, just get one with a magnet and you can now use it on any garment and no damage done. Runs $10-$15 bucks. I got a handful of those when I was practising real estate. I felt the color of mine had to match what I was wearing, go figure!

Hi Eva,

That's a great idea! And, if you hire some salespeople, you could give a name tag to each one. And, probably sell a spot on the jumbo card to the awards place, too!

Karen

rideotm · 11th Dec 2011, 08:01 AM

I ran into a friend of mine last night that is on the board of directors for CASA (Center Against Spouse Abuse). Here in my city, they have a store that sells donated clothing and whatnot. It occured to me that adding a non-profit, maybe two, to a mailing for free would be a great goodwill gesture and give the mailing goodwill props too. Also, the cost of the ad can be a tax writeoff at full retail rate. She loved to offer and we are to neet in the next week or so. The board is comprised of several business people so there can be some possible biz for me. Everyone wins.

jrobconsult · 11th Dec 2011, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by rideotm

I ran into a friend of mine last night that is on the board of directors for CASA (Center Against Spouse Abuse). Here in my city, they have a store that sells donated clothing and whatnot. It occured to me that adding a non-profit, maybe two, to a mailing for free would be a great goodwill gesture and give the mailing goodwill props too. Also, the cost of the ad can be a tax writeoff at full retail rate. She loved to offer and we are to neet in the next week or so. The board is comprised of several business people so there can be some possible biz for me. Everyone wins.

Now, that is worth giving a free spot to. Great way to get testimonials, meet contacts for future mailings and help out a good cause. Yes, everyone wins and I am going to put one on my mailings also.

perfectlovehere · 11th Dec 2011, 09:07 AM

Wow that's definitely a great idea. Do you have any ideas for those who are shy? Do you think you could get similar results contacting prospects via email? Thanks for sharing!

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 09:08 AM

Yes, I like the non-profit idea too, thank you for that suggestion.

In regards to the name tags, just wanted to give you a little warning (forgot all about it). If you stick your tag in your pocket or purse,before you do, make sure you do not have your credit card close to it. Why? Because the magnet will strip your card so next time you try to use it, it wont work. It actually did happen once to me. So, keep them separate and you are fine. Eva

Karen · 11th Dec 2011, 11:59 AM

Hi everyone,

I went to Vistaprint to see if they had any business card designs that would work for my company name, and they did.

So, I customized the card, put a "We love referrals" form on the back of it, with a place for the business owner to write their name, plus there is a note to the person they give it to to mention their name when they call. I'm thinking of offering $100 credit towards an ad spot on the next card to anyone who refers someone who signs up.

Well, when I went to checkout at Vistaprint, of course they offered me a bunch of other items, and one item was a polo shirt with my logo and company name on it. They were on sale for $14.99 each. I ordered two, one for my business friend who is going to help sell the ads and one for myself.

I'll let you know what the products are like as soon as I receive them. (I paid for Rush delivery,

)

Karen

greggorio28 · 11th Dec 2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Karen

Hi everyone,

I went to Vistaprint to see if they had any business card designs that would work for my company name, and they did.

So, I customized the card, put a "We love referrals" form on the back of it, with a place for the business owner to write their name, plus there is a note to the person they give it to to mention their name when they call. I'm thinking of offering $100 credit towards an ad spot on the next card to anyone who refers someone who signs up.

Well, when I went to checkout at Vistaprint, of course they offered me a bunch of other items, and one item was a polo shirt with my logo and company name on it. They were on sale for $14.99 each. I ordered two, one for my business friend who is going to help sell the ads and one for myself.

I'll let you know what the products are like as soon as I receive them. (I paid for Rush delivery,

)

Karen

Uggghhh, I am such a dope. I JUST re-ordered 1000 new biz cards 2 days ago for this prospecting purpose and didnt even see those polo shirt offer! Doh!

Karen · 11th Dec 2011, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by greggorio28

Uggghhh, I am such a dope. I JUST re-ordered 1000 new biz cards 2 days ago for this prospecting purpose and didnt even see those polo shirt offer! Doh!

Hi Gregg,

Maybe it was Vistaprint being dopey, not showing you that offer.

You can probably go back and order them.

Karen

timpears · 11th Dec 2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by rideotm

I ran into a friend of mine last night that is on the board of directors for CASA (Center Against Spouse Abuse). Here in my city, they have a store that sells donated clothing and whatnot. It occured to me that adding a non-profit, maybe two, to a mailing for free would be a great goodwill gesture and give the mailing goodwill props too. Also, the cost of the ad can be a tax writeoff at full retail rate. She loved to offer and we are to neet in the next week or so. The board is comprised of several business people so there can be some possible biz for me. Everyone wins.

I have three thrift stores within blocks of me. Goodwill, Salvation Army, and a new place Re-Store that sells used merchandise to support alcohol and drug rehab. That sounds like a good way to do some PSA and they can do a coupon for something off I am sure. They are always doing sales of some kind.

timpears · 11th Dec 2011, 12:56 PM

That is a hell of a price that Vista Print has on embroidered polo shirts. Just $19.99 each. Don't know the quality, and the color selection is thin, but can't hardly beat that price. I have not bought any in a while, but that isn't much different than what I would pay for a polo shirt without any writing on it.

Karen · 11th Dec 2011, 01:10 PM

Yeah, and if you order something else first, they'll probably give you $5 off on each shirt.

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 02:16 PM

Funny but I forgot his name now. There's this guy (I think he even came out with a book) that is in real estate. He made it a habit of always wearing a stick-on label saying "Hi, I am Bob" wherever he went and people always asked him why he was wearing it, kind of like an ice breaker and a conversation starter. He made a KILLING in real estate just because of that! Go to your local 99 cents store and buy a pack, you never know!

Eva

oogyboogawa · 11th Dec 2011, 02:40 PM

Just in case anyone wants another reference to use in creating a mockup, here is what I've come up with. I haven't done one with coupons in it, but this shows the layout I"ve come up with. For anyone that may wonder where I've learned my math - I'm considering targeting a larger city with a 25,000 piece mailing rather than 10,000 so the prices are higher (though if you notice, the prices per household are still very reasonable). My thinking is that I'll do nearly the same amount of work (though it might be slightly harder to close the higher price tag, I still don't expect it to be too big of a problem as it is also a higher value) for significantly higher profit. I live in a very rural area and am going to have to drive a significant distance to even get to a town where I could mail 10,000 so I wanted to go a bit bigger to make it worth the extra effort there. And here's the kicker - If I can pull it off while literally living in the woods, then ANYONE should be able to do this.

You'll also notice that I'm hoping to get this out a week or two before the Superbowl.

I definitely don't consider myself a designer - I just toy around with some of this stuff. It looks a little dark here, but it will be brighter once it has real ads in it. I wanted to have multiple pricing options without having so many that they get overwhelmed - so I stuck with 4 different price points.

greggorio28 · 11th Dec 2011, 02:52 PM

GREAT job oogy....those prices are most certainly justified if you are mailing to 25k homes. Looking good..keep us posted! Ill be prospecting 2-3 places tomorrow and wanna save the rest for when my shirts and new biz cards arrive.

Sounds like we have at least 5-10 people well under way already!

RedShifted · 11th Dec 2011, 02:55 PM

/\ Not bad not bad at all. I'm not a graphic designer either just a person obsessed with photoshop I mean the things you can do with photoshop are incredible. I have basically everything done website finished (not launched though getting it up later today), shirts on the way (also got a couple hats not sure if I'm gonna use them till I put them on), all I gotta do now is the ads and thats what I really want to focus my time on.

I want my ads to be the strongest point of my entire system because I think thats whats really going to keep customers for the long run. Both that and the deals/places I use. I also drove around today with a pen and pad writing down names of companies and am making up templates for almost every biz in the area. Then before I go into the places I'm going to have their names already on the mock ups. Anyway let me go get to work on my ads I'll get something up later today..

greggorio28 · 11th Dec 2011, 02:57 PM

...and I may just steal the rounded edges idea oogy...great little detail and breaks up the boxy grid a bit

greggorio28 · 11th Dec 2011, 03:00 PM

And let's discuss website ideas for a minute. I already purchased my domain name and am kicking around several ideas for an attractive website. I obviously want it to have contact info and a form to fill out for advertisers.....but what else should it contain? Looking for some creative ideas....

Thnx,
Gregg

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 04:01 PM

Wow oogy, talking about b*lls! Those prices are sure up there but then again, you're doing 25,000, not 10,000. I also live in the boonies far away from the civilization, maybe I should change my strategy...

Or, stick with 10k and up it in the following mailing, gosh, so much to think about, lol. I did check the domain "thelocalsaver.com" but that is taken so I guess you are using something else.

The rounded corners, the added QR code and the other little twists you have included just goes to show that you are limited only by your own imagination.

Great job, Eva

Karen · 11th Dec 2011, 04:03 PM

Hi Gregg,

I've been mulling over the same thing: what exactly to put in the website.

I am thinking right now that I'm going to make it really simple, like a squeeze page, with an optin form to get a free guide to local marketing the "new" way.

I figure people will mostly only find my site after they have one of my cards with the URL on them.

Small business people don't have time to dig around through a site with a whole bunch of products and services listed. I want to sell them on the Jumbo Postcard Saturation Mailing program, so I think I'll only feature that, with a mention of the special offer that all paid advertisers on the Jumbo Postcard get an ad in my online local directory of deals. I think the directory offer will lend itself to upselling them eventually on a mobile site and text message marketing. But, the cards are what I want to start with. They're so "tangible"!!!

Karen

P.S. I think I'm really getting tired of all the digital-only stuff. (I've been at this web development stuff since Jan. of 1997.

)

KaterSD · 11th Dec 2011, 04:07 PM

Heres what I'll be using, I used gregg's great example to create my flyer. Except for the logo.

Thanks greg for the example. I'm actually going to change the pricing a bit higher.

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 04:09 PM

Sound lika a good idea Karen, keep it simple!

Another thing I've been thinking about is your phone number. Might be a good idea to get a Google Voice Number. that way, if you're home or on your cell, no matter what number you are at, your phone will ring. Not only that, Google Voice also tracks your incoming numbers. Honestly though, that's all I know, have not tried it myself but I'll look into it, Eva

RedShifted · 11th Dec 2011, 04:20 PM

Yeh I decided on gray too I noticed theres 2 people using gray and thats not really the reason I decided on it it just genuinely seems like the best color to use. Plus my companies main colors are gray/orange so I want the post cards to somewhat match.

Almost done with the mockups I'm getting there!

NBN · 11th Dec 2011, 04:40 PM

This is gonna fit in brilliantly with what I am already doing for offline,
but I am more concerned about the research, picking the right demographics than the other stuff. Does anyone have any insight to share.

The wonderful thing about google voice is that you can place a greeting on it and separate all of your businesses from one another.

Karen · 11th Dec 2011, 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

Sound lika a good idea Karen, keep it simple!

Another thing I've been thinking about is your phone number. Might be a good idea to get a Google Voice Number. that way, if you're home or on your cell, no matter what number you are at, your phone will ring. Not only that, Google Voice also tracks your incoming numbers. Honestly though, that's all I know, have not tried it myself but I'll look into it, Eva

Hi Eva,

I got another Twilio number to use for this. There are all sorts of neat tricks you can do with a Twilio number, even send SMS. It costs $1 per month for the number.

I had considered using one of my Kall8 toll-free numbers, but I don't want to use an 800 number for local work. However, if I branch further out, maybe I'll use an 800 number for that. I have some ideas about some acquaintances I have in other states who might like to work with me on this project. I want to make sure I can do this myself, first, though.

Karen

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Karen

Hi Eva,

I got another Twilio number to use for this. There are all sorts of neat tricks you can do with a Twilio number, even send SMS. It costs $1 per month for the number.

I had considered using one of my Kall8 toll-free numbers, but I don't want to use an 800 number for local work. However, if I branch further out, maybe I'll use an 800 number for that. I have some ideas about some acquaintances I have in other states who might like to work with me on this project. I want to make sure I can do this myself, first, though.

Karen

Now I must say I'm way behind in text messaging, don't even text myself

! Personally, I prefer actually TALKING to someone but as far as being a great addition to a biz, totally agree. For now, I am just following bob's wso and the rest will come later. Do not want to overwhelm myself.

Thank you for bringing up Twilio, Eva

newbostonmg · 11th Dec 2011, 05:43 PM

Hey Guys -- I am a publisher of real estate mags, been doing print for 7 years - and I wanted to add a couple of points.
1/ watch your pricing points. You have to weigh this as a single call close vs a multiple call close. There were reasons why it was priced where it was -- experience at a higher level made him have to go back.. which meant lower ratio to closing
2/ until you get the first one going -- I would just try and keep this as simple as possible.. dont screw around with it.. until you have atleast 1 under your belt..

Personally.. I know (and it looks like on this thread too).. that it sounded great at the start.. then I change it in my mind.. and hear this.. and that.. and soon its not what it started with.. and it worked when it started..

Just my 2 cents -- keep it simple.. fill up the card quick.. get some momentum.. and then get another and another (if thats your goal)..

The margin is pretty nice.. I am used to 25% margins offline, which stink.. so this is schweet..

Good luck everyone..
Jason

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 06:43 PM

I have a question;

both oogy and Greg has water marked their design layout. I have never done this before and thought ask it here for the benefit of other readers of the thread. Is it free? Hard? Any pointers would be great, Eva

oogyboogawa · 11th Dec 2011, 07:09 PM

Thanks to everyone who left positive comments about my layout!

Regarding my pricing and decision to send out 25k - I bounced back and forth on that one, but I'm literally going to be driving about 3 hours to the city I'm targeting and probably staying in a hotel. Hopefully it won't take too many trips and too many days to get it done

I could have targeted a slightly closer city with 10k, but even that would have been a significant drive. If it proves near impossible to close them at these price points (I don't think it will be, but we'll see) then I may fall back to the 10k idea. That's just plan B at this point I guess. At least this way I'll be motivated to make it work so I can go home and sleep in my own bed lol!

I've been thinking through ideas for a website, and I've got some, but I don't think I'm going to do much with it at this point. Adding the social media networks to the card is probably the extent of what I'm going to do in the first run with regards to blending things with the online world. Even that is mostly just planning ahead for what it may eventually become. I don't have a specific plan for combining this with online aspects, but when that day gets here I am sure it will be useful to have some followers on various social networks...

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

I have a question;

both oogy and Greg has water marked their design layout. I have never done this before and thought ask it here for the benefit of other readers of the thread. Is it free? Hard? Any pointers would be great, Eva

I'd actually never done a watermark before either lol... and wasn't sure how to do it in the software I was using for the main design. So I exported it as a .png and loaded it up in Paint.NET (free image editing software), added another layer, made the watermark, and made that layer mostly transparent.

I almost didn't worry about it, but decided that while I don't mind people using my design as a reference, I don't want them just taking the whole thing and using it themselves.

Karen · 11th Dec 2011, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

I have a question;

both oogy and Greg has water marked their design layout. I have never done this before and thought ask it here for the benefit of other readers of the thread. Is it free? Hard? Any pointers would be great, Eva

Hi Eva,

Unless you want to post your mockup here, there probably is no reason for you to watermark it.

If you do want to watermark it, in your graphics program just type in the text of what you want your watermark to say, probably choose a light gray color for the text, then reduce the opacity to about 50% or so, then tilt the watermark, copy and paste it a few times, drag the pasted copies to where you want them to be, and there you have your watermarked design.

Karen

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by oogyboogawa

I'd actually never done a watermark before either lol... and wasn't sure how to do it in the software I was using for the main design. So I exported it as a .png and loaded it up in Paint.NET (free image editing software), added another layer, made the watermark, and made that layer mostly transparent.

I almost didn't worry about it, but decided that while I don't mind people using my design as a reference, I don't want them just taking the whole thing and using it themselves.

Thank you oogy, I will try that, Eva

Originally Posted by Karen

Hi Eva,

Unless you want to post your mockup here, there probably is no reason for you to watermark it.

If you do want to watermark it, in your graphics program just type in the text of what you want your watermark to say, probably choose a light gray color for the text, then reduce the opacity to about 50% or so, then tilt the watermark, copy and paste it a few times, drag the pasted copies to where you want them to be, and there you have your watermarked design.

Karen

Will try that too, lol. My intentions are to show my mock-up here in a day or two as an inspiration to others and of course for critique

. I am so grateful to bob for this thread and his very detailed WSO, couldn't have come at a better time! Eva

oogyboogawa · 11th Dec 2011, 07:38 PM

Taking this discussion back in a more basic direction, here is something that I'm wondering about, quoted from the EDDM PDF that I believe was linked on here several pages ago:

Definition of a flat.

Flat-sized mailpieces must conform to these guidelines:

Rectangular with four square corners or finished corners that do not exceed a radius of 1⁄8-inch. (A square is considered a rectangle.)

Be one of the following: more than 11 1⁄2 inches in length OR more than 6 1⁄8 inches in height OR more than 1⁄4-inch thick

Cannot be more than 15 inches in length OR 12 inches in height OR 3⁄4-inch thick

Note: To be considered a flat, a mailpiece must exceed only one of the letter dimension maximums but be within all of the flat
maximums, otherwise it is a parcel.

Now the thing that's bothering me is that a 9 x 12 postcard overflows not just 1 but 2 of those dimensions. I'm guessing this won't run into too much trouble, but will a stricter postmaster regard it as a parcel rather than flat?

greggorio28 · 11th Dec 2011, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by oogyboogawa

Taking this discussion back in a more basic direction, here is something that I'm wondering about, quoted from the EDDM PDF that I believe was linked on here several pages ago:

Now the thing that's bothering me is that a 9 x 12 postcard overflows not just 1 but 2 of those dimensions. I'm guessing this won't run into too much trouble, but will a stricter postmaster regard it as a parcel rather than flat?

Hmmmmm thats a good question oogy. I suggest simply calling your post offce and talk to a human about what you are doing. I called mine and they were extremely helpful and assured me that my 9x12 mailers would distribute perfectly as long as I dont exceed 600 pieces per carrier route.....dont exceed 5000 total, come in bundles or boxes that are assigned to each route with some sort of cover sheet spelling it out real clearly. And thats it, $0.142 cents to distribute each piece!

@ Chris Towers: GREAT design man! You should be proud and excited to market that sucker!

@ Eva: yes Karen nailed the watermarking process. Its actually super easy. Just write your text, rotate it 45 degrees counter clockwise, reduce opacity by 60% and copy/paste til the whole design is filled. Takes 2 minutes tops.

I'm also 50/50 on the phone number situation. I DEF dont want to list my cell number on the mailer (in case I get some crazy tree hugger who tries to threaten me about killing trees lol). Anyone have experience using a 1800 number? How does that work?

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 08:06 PM

I went to their seminar and according to them, a 9x12 is fine as long as it does not weigh more than 3.3 ounces. Even an 11x17 could be mailed as a flat but it would have to be folded in half and same weight requirements. I was also given a phone number to a guy at the post office that I could contact if I had any questions.

I would suggest for you to call your post office and find out who is in charge of your area and ask them your questions. I see no need to worry but do what you feel is neccesary to satisfy yourself. Eva

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by greggorio28

Hmmmmm thats a good question oogy. I suggest simply calling your post offce and talk to a human about what you are doing. I called mine and they were extremely helpful and assured me that my 9x12 mailers would distribute perfectly as long as I dont exceed 600 pieces per carrier route.....dont exceed 5000 total, come in bundles or boxes that are assigned to each route with some sort of cover sheet spelling it out real clearly. And thats it, $0.142 cents to distribute each piece!

I'm also 50/50 on the phone number situation. I DEF dont want to list my cell number on the mailer (in case I get some crazy tree hugger who tries to threaten me about killing trees lol). Anyone have experience using a 1800 number? How does that work?

The 5,000 total is for that post office and for that particular post office's routes. If you have another post office outside that area, you can do another 5,000 from that post office and so on. I hope I made myself understood, Eva

greggorio28 · 11th Dec 2011, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by Vikuna2009+

The 5,000 total is for that post office and for that particular post office's routes. If you have another post office outside that area, you can do another 5,000 from that post office and so on. I hope I made myself understood, Eva

Yes mam, correct. I just plan to drop 5k off one day, then the other 5k the next day

Neil · 11th Dec 2011, 08:27 PM

rideotm

Re: "By the way, one of my warm list hits was a dickhead like Adam encountered. I pounded him with fear of loss and questioned (h)is business acumen. Screw him, I never much liked him anyway! I may turn him down if he calls....or, maybe not."

Dude! That's so funny.... pound away! Jerks cost double :>)

timpears · 11th Dec 2011, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by oogyboogawa

Taking this discussion back in a more basic direction, here is something that I'm wondering about, quoted from the EDDM PDF that I believe was linked on here several pages ago:

Now the thing that's bothering me is that a 9 x 12 postcard overflows not just 1 but 2 of those dimensions. I'm guessing this won't run into too much trouble, but will a stricter postmaster regard it as a parcel rather than flat?

Originally Posted by oogyboogawa

Definition of a flat.

Flat-sized mailpieces must conform to these guidelines:

Rectangular with four square corners or finished corners that do not exceed a radius of 1⁄8-inch. (A square is considered a rectangle.)

Be one of the following: more than 11 1⁄2 inches in length OR more than 6 1⁄8 inches in height OR more than 1⁄4-inch thick

Cannot be more than 15 inches in length OR 12 inches in height OR 3⁄4-inch thick

Note: To be considered a flat, a mailpiece must exceed only one of the letter dimension maximums but be within all of the flat
maximums, otherwise it is a parcel.

I highlighted the important parts. If you read it carefully, the 12x9 doesn't exceed any limits.

You can do any card at least 11.5" up to 15" wide by at least 6.125" up to 12" tall.

KaterSD · 11th Dec 2011, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by greggorio28

Yes mam, correct. I just plan to drop 5k off one day, then the other 5k the next day

hey gregg howd you get the postal tags on it ? is there specific sizing the long rectangle and square for postage?

oogyboogawa · 11th Dec 2011, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by timpears

I highlighted the important parts. If you read it carefully, the 12x9 doesn't exceed any limits.

You can do any card at least 11.5" up to 15" wide by at least 6.125" up to 12" tall.

That seems to be what the postmasters are telling people, but that is NOT what the quote I pasted says - if you read it more carefully. By your logic, it has to also be at least 1/4 inch thick, but less than 3/4 inch thick.

If you look at the part I bolded, it says it can only exceed one of the maximums in the first line (not 2 and not 3, 1). And none of the second set of maximums.

We're good on not going over the second set of maximums, but it does in fact go over the two of the first set of maximums.

Basically according to that quote, if it doesn't exceed any of the first maximums, it is a letter. If it exceeds 1 (And no more) of the first maximums and none of the second maximums, it is a "flat". If it exceeds more than 1 of the first maximums, or any of the second maximums, it is a parcel.

Obviously that doesn't line up with what is actually being put into practice by the USPS though. So, I'm guessing one of two things is happening:

Either they're allowing you to count it as 9 inches long and 12 inches high, which would only exceed one of the first maximums.

Or, 12 inches is close enough to 11 1/2 inches that they're probably not going to pull out their measuring stick to clamp down on you - especially if you are writing them a check. They're practically begging people to give them money in this economy.

Either way, like was said above, it's probably best to call the post master in the area you're delivering to.

I actually did find another PDF that gives the same two sets of dimensions but leaves out any mention of only passing one of the letter dimensions. So that's interesting.

Question for Eva: At what point does it technically have to be folded?

Not too worried about it, as obviously confirmation has been given to multiple people that 9x12 is okay. But thought it might be worth pointing out and discussing the fact that at least some of the documentation states that 9x12 isn't technically within the specifications.

Vikuna2009+ · 11th Dec 2011, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by oogyboogawa

Question for Eva: At what point does it technically have to be folded?

Not too worried about it, as obviously confirmation has been given to multiple people that 9x12 is okay. But thought it might be worth pointing out and discussing the fact that at least some of the documentation states that 9x12 isn't technically within the specifications.

Good question, I didn't question that! All I know is that 9x12 doesn't have to be folded but an 11x17 does, sorry. Call em', Eva

And as far as the insignia which I call the label and the "stamp", they didn't really specify the size. As long as it is readable, well that's what MY post office said.

Best way to go about this in my opinion would be to bring in your mock up and have them approve it in writing. Hopefully they would do that (will call and ask that question tomorrow).

RedShifted · 11th Dec 2011, 10:16 PM

I have a question about opening clients though. I think it might be better first to ask people if they have marketed their company or what their opinion of marketing is before shoving your opinion in front of them or trying to come on with too strong a frame with them. This is generally known to trigger resistance.

In any form of seduction (women or business client) your aim should be to trigger as little resistance as possible. This makes it much easier to close deals vs taking on a strong frame first and trying to negotiate objections later. It leads to too much rapport management which can kill a sale. Keeping the customer on top of the frame initially usually allows you to leverage things more efficiently later. You will have to do that either way but I'm going to genuinely try and put the customer in the power frame initially. Making them think their opinion is most important at first then titrating real life scenarios into their head. You almost have to slowly contaminate their belief system in a very subtle way overcoming ignorance is somewhat of an art. The less obvious you go about it usually the better. If you can make a customer make themselves afraid of not using your system vs trying to make them afraid on your own you'll just be a lot more successful.

But really for anyone who needs help in sales I usually get a ton of excellent tips from NLP books. I've read dozens of books on NLP and its prob one of the most useful fields to learn when it comes to sales. That and psychology which I went to school for.

timpears · 11th Dec 2011, 10:31 PM

oogy, I am doing this from memory. It has to be at least ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, more than, 6.5" tall, 11.5" wide, 1/4" thick. This fills the need on two counts.

Bottom line, Bob has been mailing out the 9x12 cards and they have been accepting them. I wouldn't try to read more into it than that.

timpears · 11th Dec 2011, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by RedShifted

But really for anyone who needs help in sales I usually get a ton of excellent tips from NLP books. I've read dozens of books on NLP and its prob one of the most useful fields to learn when it comes to sales. That and psychology which I went to school for.

I used to try and practice that NLP (neuro linguistic programming) when I was buying real estate. I was never very good at it though. This would be the perfect time to bone up on it. If you can get it right, you can talk people into anything just about.

oogyboogawa · 11th Dec 2011, 10:48 PM

Originally Posted by timpears

oogy, I am doing this from memory. It has to be at least ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, more than, 6.5" tall, 11.5" wide, 1/4" thick. This fills the need on two counts.

Bottom line, Bob has been mailing out the 9x12 cards and they have been accepting them. I wouldn't try to read more into it than that.

The fact that it "fills the need on two counts" is THE ENTIRE ISSUE I WAS POINTING OUT if you go back and read either of my posts about it.... I clearly point out (and bolded in the quote) that they say you CAN'T go over two of the maximums. You have to only go over ONE of the maximums.

Nevermind, it's doesn't sound like it's that big of a deal whether it technically fits their specifications or not. They seem to be letting it through and even telling people it's okay. I just thought it was worth pointing out and bringing up for discussion.

I'm not trying to say anyone should let this stop them or even slow them down. But, I would recommend calling ahead. I can't help but wonder if some postmaster somewhere is going to get uptight about the specifications or if it is something that will be looked at closer down the road. Either way, it shouldn't stop you from acting on this business plan, but it's worth being aware of.

Whether I think rules are currently enforced on others or not and whether they'll effect me now or not, I like to know they are there just in case.

NBN · 11th Dec 2011, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by greggorio28

they were extremely helpful and assured me that my 9x12 mailers would distribute perfectly as long as I dont exceed 600 pieces per carrier route.....dont exceed 5000 total, come in bundles or boxes that are assigned to each route with some sort of cover sheet spelling it out real clearly. And thats it, $0.142 cents to distribute each piece!

Is he (the postal worker) saying that if the route has 710 residences, that you can not mail to that route?

warrioradam · 12th Dec 2011, 12:45 AM

@RedShifted I would love to see your pitch your going to try and use. Would you mind sharing it?

SpiralX · 12th Dec 2011, 02:19 AM

I've just gotten in on this in the past few hours. Thanks to everyone for posting in this thread and in the WSO section. It's been inspiring and informative.

I'm excited to do this! I see some of you have already gotten started

Congrats to those that are closing sales already!

Anyways I just wanted to say hi to the thread for now. I've read the entire thing and am working my way through the WSO download.

Tomorrow I'll just start on the process of registering my business name so my clients can make their checks out to it, rather than my personal name, it is just more professional. And I'm going to start working on a training package and getting some ads out to get my salespeople hired and ready to hit the streets.

But, pretty much, just KISS. I met a guy 10 years ago who had been quite successful printing his own coupon book, it was a similar business model. It's a no brainer and a good product to sell to the small businesses, IMO. I'm not in the position to go door to door myself, but with salespeople... I can scale up immediately! Hire a few, cover several areas at once. The possibilities are vast. Kudos to all of you who are beating the streets yourselves and with friends and partners. Either way, we are gonna rock this thing!

HvilleSEO · 12th Dec 2011, 02:33 AM

So here is what I plan on doing.

Instead of dealing with the post office at all I am going to order 50 metal newspaper racks. Place them in businesses (Gives you a great ice breaker to sell an ad to them!!!) around town. They will be around 1,800 bucks.

Order 25,000 9x12 Flyers from the print source, not UV coated just the aqueous coating. Price after shipping totals around $2,400.

Total expenses roughly $4,200.

So to bring in a profit i have to sell the 16 ads for at least $262.

Sell the ad spots for $599 each. 599-262=337

16x337=5392 profit

Now here is the good part. Next time around my expenses with only be $2,400.

2400/16=150

599-150=449

449x16=7184 PROFIT.

From there you could basically print 25,000 each time you got a new 16 advertisers. Place 50 more stands across town.

This stands can go right at the door of gas stations of whatever business will let you. I've already asked 3 gas stations and the guy was like sure whatever man. So that will not be a problem. No dealing with the post office and paying shipping, even if its only 14 cents a pop.

Also have a facebook page. On your print piece advertise A FREE IPAD 2 GIVEAWAY. With your fanpage create a content locker to enter the contest. Have them enter their email, like your page, invite 10 friends. You don't think you will get fans like crazy for a chance to win an Ipad? You will!

With their email send them a weekly deal. Wouldn't it be great to tell your future advertiser you have a 10k+ email list to send your offer to right away?

Oh and rolltide if you see this please don't steal my plan lol. Just trying to help others out. We live in the same city if you guys/gals are wondering haha.

The print source also has a affiliate program. 12% for each order placed through your link. Is it shady? Idk decide for yourself. All I know is that could save you guys another $100 for those ordering 10,000.

Okay already got everything worked out. Now to sell those ads!!!!

HvilleSEO · 12th Dec 2011, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by masumxn

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Originally Posted by masumxn

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So which is it? google.wordpress.com or gooles.wordpress.com?

Get this crap out of here man lol. Your going to get the ban hammer.

11th Dec 2011, 06:32 AM	#401
Takiyo Takiyo Join Date: 2011 Posts: 21 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: This sounds like an interesting way to provide a good service locally and do well out of it at the same time. I will definitely have to look more into this in the new year, thanks.
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11th Dec 2011, 08:01 AM	#403
rideotm Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Florida Posts: 82 Thanks: 32 Thanked 37 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: I ran into a friend of mine last night that is on the board of directors for CASA (Center Against Spouse Abuse). Here in my city, they have a store that sells donated clothing and whatnot. It occured to me that adding a non-profit, maybe two, to a mailing for free would be a great goodwill gesture and give the mailing goodwill props too. Also, the cost of the ad can be a tax writeoff at full retail rate. She loved to offer and we are to neet in the next week or so. The board is comprised of several business people so there can be some possible biz for me. Everyone wins.
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11th Dec 2011, 09:07 AM	#405
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11th Dec 2011, 09:08 AM	#406
Vikuna2009+ Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: California, an hour north of L.A. Posts: 978 Thanks: 516 Thanked 190 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Yes, I like the non-profit idea too, thank you for that suggestion. In regards to the name tags, just wanted to give you a little warning (forgot all about it). If you stick your tag in your pocket or purse,before you do, make sure you do not have your credit card close to it. Why? Because the magnet will strip your card so next time you try to use it, it wont work. It actually did happen once to me. So, keep them separate and you are fine. Eva

11th Dec 2011, 11:59 AM	#407
Karen Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2003 Location: In the beautiful Mohawk Valley of Central NY, USA. Posts: 92 Thanks: 96 Thanked 47 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Hi everyone, I went to Vistaprint to see if they had any business card designs that would work for my company name, and they did. So, I customized the card, put a "We love referrals" form on the back of it, with a place for the business owner to write their name, plus there is a note to the person they give it to to mention their name when they call. I'm thinking of offering $100 credit towards an ad spot on the next card to anyone who refers someone who signs up. Well, when I went to checkout at Vistaprint, of course they offered me a bunch of other items, and one item was a polo shirt with my logo and company name on it. They were on sale for $14.99 each. I ordered two, one for my business friend who is going to help sell the ads and one for myself. I'll let you know what the products are like as soon as I receive them. (I paid for Rush delivery, ) Karen
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11th Dec 2011, 12:56 PM	#411
timpears VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 5,273 Thanks: 884 Thanked 979 Times in 704 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: That is a hell of a price that Vista Print has on embroidered polo shirts. Just $19.99 each. Don't know the quality, and the color selection is thin, but can't hardly beat that price. I have not bought any in a while, but that isn't much different than what I would pay for a polo shirt without any writing on it.
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11th Dec 2011, 01:10 PM	#412
Karen Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2003 Location: In the beautiful Mohawk Valley of Central NY, USA. Posts: 92 Thanks: 96 Thanked 47 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Yeah, and if you order something else first, they'll probably give you $5 off on each shirt.
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11th Dec 2011, 02:16 PM	#413
Vikuna2009+ Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: California, an hour north of L.A. Posts: 978 Thanks: 516 Thanked 190 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Funny but I forgot his name now. There's this guy (I think he even came out with a book) that is in real estate. He made it a habit of always wearing a stick-on label saying "Hi, I am Bob" wherever he went and people always asked him why he was wearing it, kind of like an ice breaker and a conversation starter. He made a KILLING in real estate just because of that! Go to your local 99 cents store and buy a pack, you never know! Eva

11th Dec 2011, 02:40 PM	#414
oogyboogawa HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2011 Location: Southeast Oklahoma Posts: 223 Thanks: 19 Thanked 36 Times in 28 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Just in case anyone wants another reference to use in creating a mockup, here is what I've come up with. I haven't done one with coupons in it, but this shows the layout I"ve come up with. For anyone that may wonder where I've learned my math - I'm considering targeting a larger city with a 25,000 piece mailing rather than 10,000 so the prices are higher (though if you notice, the prices per household are still very reasonable). My thinking is that I'll do nearly the same amount of work (though it might be slightly harder to close the higher price tag, I still don't expect it to be too big of a problem as it is also a higher value) for significantly higher profit. I live in a very rural area and am going to have to drive a significant distance to even get to a town where I could mail 10,000 so I wanted to go a bit bigger to make it worth the extra effort there. And here's the kicker - If I can pull it off while literally living in the woods, then ANYONE should be able to do this. You'll also notice that I'm hoping to get this out a week or two before the Superbowl. I definitely don't consider myself a designer - I just toy around with some of this stuff. It looks a little dark here, but it will be brighter once it has real ads in it. I wanted to have multiple pricing options without having so many that they get overwhelmed - so I stuck with 4 different price points.

11th Dec 2011, 02:52 PM	#415
greggorio28 Owner, Y3k Designs Join Date: 2011 Location: Philly burbs, PA Posts: 93 Thanks: 29 Thanked 94 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: GREAT job oogy....those prices are most certainly justified if you are mailing to 25k homes. Looking good..keep us posted! Ill be prospecting 2-3 places tomorrow and wanna save the rest for when my shirts and new biz cards arrive. Sounds like we have at least 5-10 people well under way already!
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11th Dec 2011, 02:55 PM	#416
RedShifted Sell or Die Join Date: 2011 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,265 Thanks: 744 Thanked 1,691 Times in 779 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: /\ Not bad not bad at all. I'm not a graphic designer either just a person obsessed with photoshop I mean the things you can do with photoshop are incredible. I have basically everything done website finished (not launched though getting it up later today), shirts on the way (also got a couple hats not sure if I'm gonna use them till I put them on), all I gotta do now is the ads and thats what I really want to focus my time on. I want my ads to be the strongest point of my entire system because I think thats whats really going to keep customers for the long run. Both that and the deals/places I use. I also drove around today with a pen and pad writing down names of companies and am making up templates for almost every biz in the area. Then before I go into the places I'm going to have their names already on the mock ups. Anyway let me go get to work on my ads I'll get something up later today..

11th Dec 2011, 02:57 PM	#417
greggorio28 Owner, Y3k Designs Join Date: 2011 Location: Philly burbs, PA Posts: 93 Thanks: 29 Thanked 94 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: ...and I may just steal the rounded edges idea oogy...great little detail and breaks up the boxy grid a bit
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11th Dec 2011, 03:00 PM	#418
greggorio28 Owner, Y3k Designs Join Date: 2011 Location: Philly burbs, PA Posts: 93 Thanks: 29 Thanked 94 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: And let's discuss website ideas for a minute. I already purchased my domain name and am kicking around several ideas for an attractive website. I obviously want it to have contact info and a form to fill out for advertisers.....but what else should it contain? Looking for some creative ideas.... Thnx, Gregg
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11th Dec 2011, 04:01 PM	#419
Vikuna2009+ Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: California, an hour north of L.A. Posts: 978 Thanks: 516 Thanked 190 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Wow oogy, talking about b*lls! Those prices are sure up there but then again, you're doing 25,000, not 10,000. I also live in the boonies far away from the civilization, maybe I should change my strategy... Or, stick with 10k and up it in the following mailing, gosh, so much to think about, lol. I did check the domain "thelocalsaver.com" but that is taken so I guess you are using something else. The rounded corners, the added QR code and the other little twists you have included just goes to show that you are limited only by your own imagination. Great job, Eva

11th Dec 2011, 04:03 PM	#420
Karen Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2003 Location: In the beautiful Mohawk Valley of Central NY, USA. Posts: 92 Thanks: 96 Thanked 47 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Hi Gregg, I've been mulling over the same thing: what exactly to put in the website. I am thinking right now that I'm going to make it really simple, like a squeeze page, with an optin form to get a free guide to local marketing the "new" way. I figure people will mostly only find my site after they have one of my cards with the URL on them. Small business people don't have time to dig around through a site with a whole bunch of products and services listed. I want to sell them on the Jumbo Postcard Saturation Mailing program, so I think I'll only feature that, with a mention of the special offer that all paid advertisers on the Jumbo Postcard get an ad in my online local directory of deals. I think the directory offer will lend itself to upselling them eventually on a mobile site and text message marketing. But, the cards are what I want to start with. They're so "tangible"!!! Karen P.S. I think I'm really getting tired of all the digital-only stuff. (I've been at this web development stuff since Jan. of 1997. )
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11th Dec 2011, 04:07 PM	#421
KaterSD HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 225 Thanks: 23 Thanked 41 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Heres what I'll be using, I used gregg's great example to create my flyer. Except for the logo. Thanks greg for the example. I'm actually going to change the pricing a bit higher.

11th Dec 2011, 04:09 PM	#422
Vikuna2009+ Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: California, an hour north of L.A. Posts: 978 Thanks: 516 Thanked 190 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Sound lika a good idea Karen, keep it simple! Another thing I've been thinking about is your phone number. Might be a good idea to get a Google Voice Number. that way, if you're home or on your cell, no matter what number you are at, your phone will ring. Not only that, Google Voice also tracks your incoming numbers. Honestly though, that's all I know, have not tried it myself but I'll look into it, Eva

11th Dec 2011, 04:20 PM	#423
RedShifted Sell or Die Join Date: 2011 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,265 Thanks: 744 Thanked 1,691 Times in 779 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: Yeh I decided on gray too I noticed theres 2 people using gray and thats not really the reason I decided on it it just genuinely seems like the best color to use. Plus my companies main colors are gray/orange so I want the post cards to somewhat match. Almost done with the mockups I'm getting there!

11th Dec 2011, 04:40 PM	#424
NBN Multi Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 130 Thanks: 10 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: This is gonna fit in brilliantly with what I am already doing for offline, but I am more concerned about the research, picking the right demographics than the other stuff. Does anyone have any insight to share. The wonderful thing about google voice is that you can place a greeting on it and separate all of your businesses from one another.

11th Dec 2011, 05:43 PM	#427
newbostonmg Warrior Member Join Date: 2009 Location: New England Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 2 Posts	pricing strategy Share on: Hey Guys -- I am a publisher of real estate mags, been doing print for 7 years - and I wanted to add a couple of points. 1/ watch your pricing points. You have to weigh this as a single call close vs a multiple call close. There were reasons why it was priced where it was -- experience at a higher level made him have to go back.. which meant lower ratio to closing 2/ until you get the first one going -- I would just try and keep this as simple as possible.. dont screw around with it.. until you have atleast 1 under your belt.. Personally.. I know (and it looks like on this thread too).. that it sounded great at the start.. then I change it in my mind.. and hear this.. and that.. and soon its not what it started with.. and it worked when it started.. Just my 2 cents -- keep it simple.. fill up the card quick.. get some momentum.. and then get another and another (if thats your goal).. The margin is pretty nice.. I am used to 25% margins offline, which stink.. so this is schweet.. Good luck everyone.. Jason
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11th Dec 2011, 06:43 PM	#428
Vikuna2009+ Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: California, an hour north of L.A. Posts: 978 Thanks: 516 Thanked 190 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: I have a question; both oogy and Greg has water marked their design layout. I have never done this before and thought ask it here for the benefit of other readers of the thread. Is it free? Hard? Any pointers would be great, Eva

11th Dec 2011, 08:06 PM	#434
Vikuna2009+ Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: California, an hour north of L.A. Posts: 978 Thanks: 516 Thanked 190 Times in 132 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: I went to their seminar and according to them, a 9x12 is fine as long as it does not weigh more than 3.3 ounces. Even an 11x17 could be mailed as a flat but it would have to be folded in half and same weight requirements. I was also given a phone number to a guy at the post office that I could contact if I had any questions. I would suggest for you to call your post office and find out who is in charge of your area and ask them your questions. I see no need to worry but do what you feel is neccesary to satisfy yourself. Eva

11th Dec 2011, 08:27 PM	#437
Neil HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2002 Location: Eugene, Oregon Posts: 105 Thanks: 109 Thanked 40 Times in 31 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: rideotm Re: "By the way, one of my warm list hits was a dickhead like Adam encountered. I pounded him with fear of loss and questioned (h)is business acumen. Screw him, I never much liked him anyway! I may turn him down if he calls....or, maybe not." Dude! That's so funny.... pound away! Jerks cost double :>)

11th Dec 2011, 10:16 PM	#442
RedShifted Sell or Die Join Date: 2011 Location: Central NJ Posts: 2,265 Thanks: 744 Thanked 1,691 Times in 779 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: I have a question about opening clients though. I think it might be better first to ask people if they have marketed their company or what their opinion of marketing is before shoving your opinion in front of them or trying to come on with too strong a frame with them. This is generally known to trigger resistance. In any form of seduction (women or business client) your aim should be to trigger as little resistance as possible. This makes it much easier to close deals vs taking on a strong frame first and trying to negotiate objections later. It leads to too much rapport management which can kill a sale. Keeping the customer on top of the frame initially usually allows you to leverage things more efficiently later. You will have to do that either way but I'm going to genuinely try and put the customer in the power frame initially. Making them think their opinion is most important at first then titrating real life scenarios into their head. You almost have to slowly contaminate their belief system in a very subtle way overcoming ignorance is somewhat of an art. The less obvious you go about it usually the better. If you can make a customer make themselves afraid of not using your system vs trying to make them afraid on your own you'll just be a lot more successful. But really for anyone who needs help in sales I usually get a ton of excellent tips from NLP books. I've read dozens of books on NLP and its prob one of the most useful fields to learn when it comes to sales. That and psychology which I went to school for.

11th Dec 2011, 10:31 PM	#443
timpears VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Vancouver, WA, USA. Posts: 5,273 Thanks: 884 Thanked 979 Times in 704 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: oogy, I am doing this from memory. It has to be at least ONE OF THE FOLLOWING, more than, 6.5" tall, 11.5" wide, 1/4" thick. This fills the need on two counts. Bottom line, Bob has been mailing out the 9x12 cards and they have been accepting them. I wouldn't try to read more into it than that.
	Tim Pears

12th Dec 2011, 12:45 AM	#447
warrioradam Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Posts: 65 Thanks: 17 Thanked 21 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: @RedShifted I would love to see your pitch your going to try and use. Would you mind sharing it?

12th Dec 2011, 02:19 AM	#448
SpiralX Active Warrior Join Date: 2011 Location: Greater Vancouver Posts: 69 Thanks: 9 Thanked 17 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: I've just gotten in on this in the past few hours. Thanks to everyone for posting in this thread and in the WSO section. It's been inspiring and informative. I'm excited to do this! I see some of you have already gotten started Congrats to those that are closing sales already! Anyways I just wanted to say hi to the thread for now. I've read the entire thing and am working my way through the WSO download. Tomorrow I'll just start on the process of registering my business name so my clients can make their checks out to it, rather than my personal name, it is just more professional. And I'm going to start working on a training package and getting some ads out to get my salespeople hired and ready to hit the streets. But, pretty much, just KISS. I met a guy 10 years ago who had been quite successful printing his own coupon book, it was a similar business model. It's a no brainer and a good product to sell to the small businesses, IMO. I'm not in the position to go door to door myself, but with salespeople... I can scale up immediately! Hire a few, cover several areas at once. The possibilities are vast. Kudos to all of you who are beating the streets yourselves and with friends and partners. Either way, we are gonna rock this thing!
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12th Dec 2011, 02:33 AM	#449
HvilleSEO Warrior Member Join Date: 2011 Posts: 25 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero. Share on: So here is what I plan on doing. Instead of dealing with the post office at all I am going to order 50 metal newspaper racks. Place them in businesses (Gives you a great ice breaker to sell an ad to them!!!) around town. They will be around 1,800 bucks. Order 25,000 9x12 Flyers from the print source, not UV coated just the aqueous coating. Price after shipping totals around $2,400. Total expenses roughly $4,200. So to bring in a profit i have to sell the 16 ads for at least $262. Sell the ad spots for $599 each. 599-262=337 16x337=5392 profit Now here is the good part. Next time around my expenses with only be $2,400. 2400/16=150 599-150=449 449x16=7184 PROFIT. From there you could basically print 25,000 each time you got a new 16 advertisers. Place 50 more stands across town. This stands can go right at the door of gas stations of whatever business will let you. I've already asked 3 gas stations and the guy was like sure whatever man. So that will not be a problem. No dealing with the post office and paying shipping, even if its only 14 cents a pop. Also have a facebook page. On your print piece advertise A FREE IPAD 2 GIVEAWAY. With your fanpage create a content locker to enter the contest. Have them enter their email, like your page, invite 10 friends. You don't think you will get fans like crazy for a chance to win an Ipad? You will! With their email send them a weekly deal. Wouldn't it be great to tell your future advertiser you have a 10k+ email list to send your offer to right away? Oh and rolltide if you see this please don't steal my plan lol. Just trying to help others out. We live in the same city if you guys/gals are wondering haha. The print source also has a affiliate program. 12% for each order placed through your link. Is it shady? Idk decide for yourself. All I know is that could save you guys another $100 for those ordering 10,000. Okay already got everything worked out. Now to sell those ads!!!!