Collecting mailing addresses from the net

by Rockrz
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OK, I know someone that wants to know if there are any programs out there that can collect business names and addresses and put the information into a spreadsheet so mailing labels can be made for mailouts using snail mail.

He says he used to have a program like that called Data Ferret ( see info on this at Data Ferret - Download.com ), but program doesn't work anymore for some reason.

Since alot of companies have their address posted on the internet, it should be considered public information and should be OK to collect, right?

That was my question is why did his original program quit working?
#addresses #collecting #mailing #net
  • Profile picture of the author Rockrz
    Nobody knows of ANY software out there that enables a brotha to download mailing addresses for targeted types of businesses?

    In today's high tech world, there's nothing??? :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    seriously guys, any of the scrapers in the WSO section
    that grab bizz data will work.

    If you use a goolge one, just use the address that are owner verified.

    if you use one that scrapes a directory such as yellowpages,

    you don't even need to sift it.

    but again if you want 100% deliver rate, just choose the owner verified.

    bamm, targeted mailing list.


    --- Or did i misinterpret what you want / need?
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    • Profile picture of the author WayneMoore
      Sounds like you could by do with 'Power leads Pro' offered by a fellow warrior in the special offers forum!

      Will harvest ALL the data you need and you can do as you wish once in a CSV file in terms of mail merge! :-) Hope that helps! Message me for more info if needed!
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      • Profile picture of the author rhinocl
        Easier way is to use the data bases that you can access for free at many libraries. You can usually save about 10 pages at a session at least 100-200 businesses. Of course you can buy the data already in label form but you can get a lot of it free if you are willing to spend time eliminating extra html and pasting into databases.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rockrz
          Yeah, I'll probably just use these two...

          http://yellowpages.SuperPages.com/yp.advanced.jsp?


          http://www.YellowpageCity.com

          That way, I can call them and see if they are interested first, and see if I can send info by email before mailing anything to them.

          If I use the scraper thingy, it seems kinda sketchy legally speaking, so manually may be the better way cause I'm NOT spending thousands on mailing lists and have a large majority come back un-deliverable....
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  • Profile picture of the author guardado8
    i been looking for one as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author terip
    In my opinion, I'd rather do manual mining for e-mails rather than using automated ones... The reason is that there may be a lot of duplicates or even non-existent emails that will be fetched from the program, to which I do not like. Other than this, you can also try purchasing an e-mail list from a list broker.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rockrz
      Originally Posted by terip View Post

      I'd rather do manual mining for e-mails....
      Whatcha gonna do with them???

      If the owner of that email address did not first send you a request for info, or opt in to your email list, it is in fact ILLEGAL to send them unsolicited emails in the US under the CanSPAM Act.

      The US Government has already made a few examples out of some folks for doing this...on the other hand, it could be a great retirement plan!

      You might be able to score a free place to stay, free medical, free meals each day, and free access to entertainment such as movies, TV, and library...in FEDERAL PRISON...

      It's easy to track the spammer as they are always pointing folk to a product or service that they make money off of, so when investigators follow the money...they'll find YOU...

      So, a word to the wise should be sufficient...unless of course you're looking for that free retirement plan!
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post

        Whatcha gonna do with them???

        If the owner of that email address did not first send you a request for info, or opt in to your email list, it is in fact ILLEGAL to send them unsolicited emails in the US under the CanSPAM Act.

        The US Government has already made a few examples out of some folks for doing this...on the other hand, it could be a great retirement plan!

        You might be able to score a free place to stay, free medical, free meals each day, and free access to entertainment such as movies, TV, and library...in FEDERAL PRISON...

        It's easy to track the spammer as they are always pointing folk to a product or service that they make money off of, so when investigators follow the money...they'll find YOU...

        So, a word to the wise should be sufficient...unless of course you're looking for that free retirement plan!
        Somebody doesn't fully understand the CanSpam Act.

        1. Don't use false or misleading header information. Your "From," "To," "Reply-To," and routing information - including the originating domain name and email address - must be accurate and identify the person or business who initiated the message.
        2. Don't use deceptive subject lines. The subject line must accurately reflect the content of the message.
        3. Identify the message as an ad. The law gives you a lot of leeway in how to do this, but you must disclose clearly and conspicuously that your message is an advertisement.
        4. Tell recipients where you're located. Your message must include your valid physical postal address. This can be your current street address, a post office box you've registered with the U.S. Postal Service, or a private mailbox you've registered with a commercial mail receiving agency established under Postal Service regulations.
        5. Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that's easy for an ordinary person to recognize, read, and understand. Creative use of type size, color, and location can improve clarity. Give a return email address or another easy Internet-based way to allow people to communicate their choice to you. You may create a menu to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to stop all commercial messages from you. Make sure your spam filter doesn't block these opt-out requests.
        6. Honor opt-out requests promptly. Any opt-out mechanism you offer must be able to process opt-out requests for at least 30 days after you send your message. You must honor a recipient's opt-out request within 10 business days. You can't charge a fee, require the recipient to give you any personally identifying information beyond an email address, or make the recipient take any step other than sending a reply email or visiting a single page on an Internet website as a condition for honoring an opt-out request. Once people have told you they don't want to receive more messages from you, you can't sell or transfer their email addresses, even in the form of a mailing list. The only exception is that you may transfer the addresses to a company you've hired to help you comply with the CAN-SPAM Act.
        7. Monitor what others are doing on your behalf. The law makes clear that even if you hire another company to handle your email marketing, you can't contract away your legal responsibility to comply with the law. Both the company whose product is promoted in the message and the company that actually sends the message may be held legally responsible.


        The law provides for criminal penalties - including imprisonment - for:
        • accessing someone else's computer to send spam without permission,
        • using false information to register for multiple email accounts or domain names,
        • relaying or retransmitting multiple spam messages through a computer to mislead others about the origin of the message,
        There are a lot of ways to send unsolicited email to other businesses. Just need to follow the rules.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rockrz
    I may be thinking of unsolicited emails to personal email addresses... I can see where sending to business email addresses might be OK if all those rules you mentioned are followed.

    Then, there are those that use their personal email for business that can cause problems for senders.

    I do know that mass email services such as Constant Contact will not allow you to send unsolicited emails to businesses unless they opt in, or you can prove they contacted you first (save their initial request for info as proof)...because it can still be a big legal no-no as the sender can still get sued which is why companies like Constant Contact don't allow it.

    Bottom line is, sending unsolicited emails is not viewed as being good business and companies and individuals that do so are viewed as not being very professional which leads many folks to not want to do business with them because their business practices are questionable in most people's eyes, cause.....ain't nobody likes SPAMMERS!

    Sending unsolicited emails IS spam...
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by Rockrz View Post

      I may be thinking of unsolicited emails to personal email addresses... I can see where sending to business email addresses might be OK if all those rules you mentioned are followed.

      Then, there are those that use their personal email for business that can cause problems for senders.

      I do know that mass email services such as Constant Contact will not allow you to send unsolicited emails to businesses unless they opt in, or you can prove they contacted you first (save their initial request for info as proof)...because it can still be a big legal no-no as the sender can still get sued which is why companies like Constant Contact don't allow it.

      Bottom line is, sending unsolicited emails is not viewed as being good business and companies and individuals that do so are viewed as not being very professional which leads many folks to not want to do business with them because their business practices are questionable in most people's eyes, cause.....ain't nobody likes SPAMMERS!

      Sending unsolicited emails IS spam...
      Well constant contact is kind of different. You CAN send unsolicited emails, but you need to be careful about the flagging. Avoid AOL emails and earthlink. I can add new businesses all the time to a list on constant contact without having to prove an opt in.

      I know manually you can basically get away with anything, personal or business. For the most part.

      The real problem is those that use the spiders and scramblers to come up with email addresses they don't know exist or not and send them out anyway. Phishing emails, sites with malware, anything like that is definitely a no no.

      I can search for businesses and email them without it being spam. But emailing through self hosted programs through your own connection using a dictionary method, is bad news. You probably won't do any time at all, but your IP's and emails will be blacklisted, perhaps even the domain name.

      Always better to send unsolicited calls anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author cmorrow
        I agree with the yellow pages approach. I don't see why that info is useful example. If I have a IT service we specialize in servicing law firms all of my copy would speak to law firms their needs and wants. Then a list of law firms in the area would be great. Screw the vet down the street. Instead of casting a net get a harpoon you save time and money
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  • Profile picture of the author mwashington
    It is my practice to use opt in email all the time. However, if they opt in and you send them an email followup it is my opinion now that it does not matter anymore if they accused you of Spammng and report you. The burden of proof is on you and alot of the time is in favor of the one that made the report. His word is accepted now alot more than your documents that show he has opted in more than once. What is the solution? I am not sure except to always follow the "Do Right Rule" and be compliant no matter what is the turn in the system. The good of it all is mixed with the bad sorry to say and we must still believe that there will be a better system in the future to combat the problems at hand. Many people will signup and forget they have signed up under an opt in clause and will deny it when given the proof on each occasion. Keep showing them the proof and take them off the list or block them.Many people take advantage of the free tools that companies have and then in denial they are using it. They use this method of you contacting them in a re-verse marketing technique. My advice is be honest upfront and follow all the rules of Spam. On the internet business sometimes you have to take the good with the bad. I would recommend mailing out to blind addresses that have not opted in to your site in some way or another. There is better ways to accomplish getting targeted leads that have contact you first. One of the best methods of stopping the spam reporting is calling or contact those leads as soon as they arrive in your system. Waiting tends to give them an excuse to accuse. However, too much of waiting is going on and if you have to hire a person to do this for you it is better for "Bood Business" practice than the later. Just my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rockrz
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      You CAN send unsolicited emails
      I heard you could to businesses, but not to personal...



      Originally Posted by mwashington View Post

      The burden of proof is on you and alot of the time is in favor of the one that made the report.
      In my primary bidness, they email us from a website asking for info, an we save every initial email request which can be verified through their own email service provider.
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      • Profile picture of the author mwashington
        It used to matter , but now if a person says your Spamming. Your spamming no what kind of proof you have in your possession. I can opt in as many times as I want but if I turn you in on the first letter or the last, they are now going with the accuser period. So opt in once or twice has no bearing on the outcome. I know the laws how they are suppose to work but now it just does not matter. Do some very intensive research and check it out. It would be interesting to me to find out the law is upheld.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rockrz
          Originally Posted by mwashington View Post

          I know the laws how they are suppose to work but now it just does not matter.
          If they try to have charges pressed against me for "spamming" when I have their original email where they asked for me to email them product info...

          Not only will I not be prosecuted, but I'll turn around and file a lawsuit against them for false prosecution and get their personal assets unless they are incorporated which they probably won't be and/or it won't matter if they request info sent to their personal email address.

          So, it actually does matter when it comes to protecting yourself from liability... although it doesn't matter as far as your domain being blacklisted and your email being blocked.

          That's why it's a good idea to get a generic domain to send mass emails from...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mobile Tactics
    Search on ebay for 2011 US Business Mailing Lists by State

    Its an excel database of addresses for about 10 bucks
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  • Profile picture of the author team74
    Is there is a software that can track my emails or i can lookup in others mails?

    Thanx
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