[500] WSO's about OFFLINE Marketing..

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So I was curious to find out who many WSO's have the word OFFLINE in the WSO Thread title so I did a search.

20 pages came up in the results with 50 results each page.

Crazy, what does this say about this niche.

How many are real business people who know how to run a business providing services to brick and mortar companies, and how many are just posers selling a method or theory?

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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Very interesting. Also would like to share that it is 20 pages = 500 results since august 31st 2011. This is just 6 months of WSOs in this niche, there are likely to be thousands and thousands more that just were cut off by the filter.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      There's no real way of telling just by looking, now is there?

      I've seen a HUGE Offline WSO that was nothing more than, "Hey, I have this idea. I've never monetized it, but it seems great!" When it was brought up that the idea was all theory and there hadn't been any money made at all with it, the naysayers were brushed aside - because of the name of the person who'd come up with the WSO. There are also a few legal concerns brought up. Again, just brushed aside. :confused:

      Had a newbie done the same thing, they'd have been crucified. :rolleyes:

      The issue I have with this kind of thing is that it's not just a matter of losing a few bucks on a worthless WSO.

      It's that people will invest time and possibly invest money (domain names, hosting, etc.) in something that may not ever work. It's never been tested.

      If they purchased a WSO that's an actual method that's been tested and has worked, then that's a different story.

      JMHO and YMMV
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    You are correct sir!

    Make you wonder if people just jumped on the band wagon and how many are really practicing what they preach.

    It concerns me because I really have a heart for small business owners and a lot of crap is out there that can actually damage a businesses online presence for years.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      You are correct sir!

      Make you wonder if people just jumped on the band wagon and how many are really practicing what they preach.

      It concerns me because I really have a heart for small business owners and a lot of crap is out there that can actually damage a businesses online presence for years.
      I agree my friend. I would venture to say the results of such a question would be that 98 percent of all these "methods" are those jumping on the band wagon. Very few practice what they preach or have any real tangable results.

      Russ as you and I have seen on many of the threads we have left comments on, many "experts" fall way short and give answers that result in little to no success when applied.
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  • Profile picture of the author DP55
    I would be willing to bet that 80% is based on theory/rehashing. This is based on buying a ton of offline marketing WSOs and rarely finding a gem. Ruins it for those actually 'practicing what they preach' as Rus so greatly put it.
    Back in 2009/2010 (I think) there wasn't so much about offline marketing but a ton on CPA. It seems things come around in phases. I wonder what will be next...!
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      You are correct sir!

      Make you wonder if people just jumped on the band wagon and how many are really practicing what they preach.

      It concerns me because I really have a heart for small business owners and a lot of crap is out there that can actually damage a businesses online presence for years.
      Yeah for sure. A big thing to take into consideration on ALL WSO's is that this is first and foremost an internet marketing forum. Now there is offline marketing, but I don't think it has always been here. The thing is, tons of people even on this board release products every day in certain niches that they don't even have any kind of special expertise. The IM mindset is to pick a good niche, and make some money.

      If you look at the main internet marketing discussion part of the board you will see almost daily, someone thinking about releasing a WSO even without the knowledge or experience on the topic they want to release. They just believe it is extremely profitable and want to cash in on it.

      With internet marketing, you can pick a niche, and if it fails, oh well its just a 5-10 dollar domain and a few hours putting stuff together. When offering services to offline businesses you jeopardize their name, and reputation if you screw up. There are a lot more legal concerns too.

      Originally Posted by DP55 View Post

      I would be willing to bet that 80% is based on theory/rehashing. This is based on buying a ton of offline marketing WSOs and rarely finding a gem. Ruins it for those actually 'practicing what they preach' as Rus so greatly put it.
      Back in 2009/2010 (I think) there wasn't so much about offline marketing but a ton on CPA. It seems things come around in phases. I wonder what will be next...!
      Yeah.. I'd agree with that. I might even say it would be close to 90%, but you're probably right with that number.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    "Fate protects fools, little children and ships named Enterprise" -- Cmdr. Riker What episode what that?

    Thanks for the response! I agree totally.
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  • Profile picture of the author drlelong
    I agree. I see a lot of WSOs supposedly on how to "land a ton of offline clients". I don't see WSOs on how to effectively deliver, manage, and communicate online marketing programs for local businesses.

    This type of training is the meat and potatoes of an offline marketing business.

    Do you think people are actually interested in learning how to effectively deliver local marketing campaigns?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      I think that's where people are falling short. They learn the methods to get the clients but then realize they have to deliver the goods.

      Then they begin to realize this is a "real" business model that has many other facets besides getting the client.

      At least I can say that my zen course shows how to set up a WordPress site so it can rank on the first page of Google. I haven't even seen anything that remotely resembles that.

      Originally Posted by drlelong View Post

      I agree. I see a lot of WSOs supposedly on how to "land a ton of offline clients". I don't see WSOs on how to effectively deliver, manage, and communicate online marketing programs for local businesses.

      This type of training is the meat and potatoes of an offline marketing business.

      Do you think people are actually interested in learning how to effectively deliver local marketing campaigns?
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        I think that's where people are falling short. They learn the methods to get the clients but then realize they have to deliver the goods.

        Then they begin to realize this is a "real" business model that has many other facets besides getting the client.
        Exactly.

        And they have clients that want results for their investment. They're business people - they don't mind paying if it gives them a good ROI.

        If someone can't deliver, then they will go by the wayside fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author showmeproof
    Don't worry about how many there are online, (posers) cuz, I'm sure they aren't picking up the phone. There may be thousands of results. but very VERY few who are actually calling on companies. I make 75+ calls a day.. and even of I only get 1 new client a week.. Well.... what did you get this week? (rhetorical)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jelle Kaldenbach
    Will probably agree with you Chris Kent. People just buy products about it - never take action on it - but just teach others what they learned.

    I still prefer to do it, rather than teach it. But because it has worked so great for me, I love to share it with others. I'm sure others can have benefit from everything I've learned from doing it (and learning it myself).

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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    Teaching it is a zillion times more difficult than doing it in my opinion. Doing it seems like a break!
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    I keep threatening to put one out, but I stay busy actually consulting with clients making their businesses grow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      Stop being selfish and get it done! LOL

      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I keep threatening to put one out, but I stay busy actually consulting with clients making their businesses grow.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dexx
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I keep threatening to put one out, but I stay busy actually consulting with clients making their businesses grow.
      I've done it. It's kind of a "Meh" in my books.

      The majority of the forum is looking for the never-talk-to-business-owners-and-make-six-figures-in-30-days solution...

      ACTUAL offline marketing does require a person to run their marketing company like a (*gasp*...wait for it...) BUSINESS.

      Landing clients is probably the easiest part of this whole thing...yet people make it out to be some Mountain of a challenge.

      The REAL problem many marketers will face is not GETTING clients--it's KEEPING THEM.

      Especially when they realize the majority of WSO products have over-hyped the ROI that a business will get from their "money making ideas."

      Sure...charge $5,000/mo for Social Media management...

      Don't expect that business to stick with you long if you aren't generating at LEAST an increase of $15,000/mo in revenue as a result. (most WSOs don't talk about that)

      That also means keeping track of expenses and earnings, following up, responding to client issues (and yes...they will have questions/concerns that will need to be answered no matter how much it makes sense in our heads) etc.

      I dunno...I'm pretty sure with ALL the WSOs out there, if a person still isn't making a happy income, it's probably not just the "fault" of the WSO...

      Meh.

      I'm planning to have a record breaking year this year, but that's only happening because I did one thing--IMPLEMENT the things I've learned.

      Ah well. To each their own.

      ~Dexx
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      • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
        Originally Posted by Dexx View Post

        I've done it. It's kind of a "Meh" in my books.

        The majority of the forum is looking for the never-talk-to-business-owners-and-make-six-figures-in-30-days solution...

        ACTUAL offline marketing does require a person to run their marketing company like a (*gasp*...wait for it...) BUSINESS.

        Landing clients is probably the easiest part of this whole thing...yet people make it out to be some Mountain of a challenge.

        The REAL problem many marketers will face is not GETTING clients--it's KEEPING THEM.

        Especially when they realize the majority of WSO products have over-hyped the ROI that a business will get from their "money making ideas."

        Sure...charge $5,000/mo for Social Media management...

        Don't expect that business to stick with you long if you aren't generating at LEAST an increase of $15,000/mo in revenue as a result. (most WSOs don't talk about that)

        That also means keeping track of expenses and earnings, following up, responding to client issues (and yes...they will have questions/concerns that will need to be answered no matter how much it makes sense in our heads) etc.

        I dunno...I'm pretty sure with ALL the WSOs out there, if a person still isn't making a happy income, it's probably not just the "fault" of the WSO...

        Meh.

        I'm planning to have a record breaking year this year, but that's only happening because I did one thing--IMPLEMENT the things I've learned.

        Ah well. To each their own.

        ~Dexx
        Yeah, I've put one out too. "Meh", is the perfect way to describe my results.

        I sold a few hundred, but nothing like I thought I would.

        And, I've been generating leads and sales for 10 years for offline business using direct mail so when it comes to "offline", i've walked the walk" and show my results.

        But, my offline WSO was less than spectacular (as in sales - those who bought it, love it).

        So oh well, I guess my place in the world it to just keep doing it, rather than trying to teach it. I'll make way more money that way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brenden Clerget
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      I keep threatening to put one out, but I stay busy actually consulting with clients making their businesses grow.
      Agree with the previous poster, out of many offliners on this forum I have a ton of respect for you and the things that you've even told me via PMs in the past has helped me expand my business/increase my profits a ton, and I've been doing it nearly 7 years now, 4ish full time.

      But yeah, it is insane to see how many offline WSOs there are... however...

      There are a lot of useful ones that offer materials (videos, lead gen stuff, etc) and there's a lot that offer trash...

      It's really hard to tell who's who, because if someone is running a consulting business and found out that they could help others do it and make some side cash, I could see a lot of people that were non warriors being attracted to the forum for that very reason.

      Either way, OMD has a lot more info than a ton of them, so just don't buy any, and study here instead, haha
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  • Profile picture of the author davidbatchelor
    Great point.

    My experience is at least 95% are just posers selling a method or theory.

    Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

    How many are real business people who know how to run a business providing services to brick and mortar companies, and how many are just posers selling a method or theory?
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  • Profile picture of the author George Kelly
    More and more people nowadays sell what they preach rather than practice
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    I have one Offline WSO on sale as you know, and I run my own offline company since 2004, but in all honesty this is most probably the last offline WSO you'll see from me. This forum is getting worst by the day and there is no point in sharing solid business details with some people.

    A douchebag even shared my WSO in HERE for free just to pitch start HIS wso (clever huh??)... Tired of this
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      Hey Fernando,

      I feel ya man!

      People don't want solid business details because they don't want to face reality. They just want the quick bucks. As far as the douchbags sharing you WSO on this forum that is the lowest of the low.

      Originally Posted by Fernando Veloso View Post

      I have one Offline WSO on sale as you know, and I run my own offline company since 2004, but in all honesty this is most probably the last offline WSO you'll see from me. This forum is getting worst by the day and there is no point in sharing solid business details with some people.

      A douchebag even shared my WSO in HERE for free just to pitch start HIS wso (clever huh??)... Tired of this
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  • Profile picture of the author Nathan Alexander
    I agree with most said here. That being said, I'm sure it's not unique to Dan Kennedy, but the "principle of the slight edge" is usually put into practice by those willing to invest "in everything" (everything worthy, after doing due diligence) in resources that can put them ahead.

    That's not what usually goes on here for most buyers (I'd wager) yet sometimes you can use offers here as spring-boards, and in ways never thought of by the original author. Finding even one golden nugget, can reap huge dividends.

    Have to say I'm not very creative myself, but a light went off for me when I combined two ideas for a local client that made me look good while giving them what they wanted faster than I could have otherwise. Now I just need to see if I can do it again, I don't know (yet) if it is a fluke of circumstances based on my city size.

    Dan tells the story of a man walking into a dealers room at a convention and going into a booth, laying down his card and saying “package up everything, and I'll be back to pick it all up later".

    He spent thousands on courses and resources without looking at everything or knowing the cost. He drove a nice car and (apparently) was the most financially successful there.

    He attributed it to being willing to constantly invest in materials for his business as he understood the power of just one idea that could add a small increase. "Small hinges..." and the compound effect idea I guess.

    On the other hand, I myself am extremely slow to implement. I've got the buying part down though, hehe. (And in this case, because of the nature of what you all have said above, there is a lot more, ahem, chaff to sift through to get the goodies. And based on what Russ found, you could go broke pretty fast practicing that principle here.)

    For what its worth Michael, I'd drop whatever I was doing to invest in your WSO. I have a feeling it would be worth far more than the comfort of inaction for a lot of us, myself included.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Cho
    When I ran my WSO, only 200-300 people bought it and only about 5 people took action. I don't care about how many I sold but I do care how many people were willing to take action and get back to me about it. I'd rather spend my time with business owners who are willing to take action 100% of the time since they invest money on their marketing. I LOVE ACTION TAKERS! =D
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      I think a lot of people just buy stuff hoping to find that one thing that really lights the fire under their butts! If it doesn't do that it get stored on the hard drive.

      Originally Posted by Chris Cho View Post

      When I ran my WSO, only 200-300 people bought it and only about 5 people took action. I don't care about how many I sold but I do care how many people were willing to take action and get back to me about it. I'd rather spend my time with business owners who are willing to take action 100% of the time since they invest money on their marketing. I LOVE ACTION TAKERS! =D
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      • Profile picture of the author dsprank
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        I think a lot of people just buy stuff hoping to find that one thing that really lights the fire under their butts! If it doesn't do that it get stored on the hard drive.
        Not sure if they are looking for something to light a fire, or just thinking that they are going to find something that is going to do it for them. There are some good products out there, but just like my treadmill, action has to be taken to get results.

        It seems to me that most of the buyers of my WSO can't fill in any blanks. If it is not broken down into what I ate for lunch that day, they either don't take action on it, or they ask a million questions taking up the time that I would be spending with my clients. Then they forget about it and move on to the next one that catches their eye.

        I have to agree with Bob Ross, working with clients is a break from running a WSO.
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        • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
          Originally Posted by dsprank View Post

          Not sure if they are looking for something to light a fire, or just thinking that they are going to find something that is going to do it for them. There are some good products out there, but just like my treadmill, action has to be taken to get results.

          It seems to me that most of the buyers of my WSO can't fill in any blanks. If it is not broken down into what I ate for lunch that day, they either don't take action on it, or they ask a million questions taking up the time that I would be spending with my clients. Then they forget about it and move on to the next one that catches their eye.

          I have to agree with Bob Ross, working with clients is a break from running a WSO.
          LOL, if I ever run a WSO again (which i am pretty sure I will as I have a lot of good products and knowledge both online and offline) I will be sure to have a staff member assigned to it. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
      Originally Posted by Chris Cho View Post

      When I ran my WSO, only 200-300 people bought it and only about 5 people took action. I don't care about how many I sold but I do care how many people were willing to take action and get back to me about it. I'd rather spend my time with business owners who are willing to take action 100% of the time since they invest money on their marketing. I LOVE ACTION TAKERS! =D
      Agree, Chris. I got lotsa praise on mine for things like the presentation and such. I got praise on the INFORMATION I provide.....

      ..... BUT I did get some complaints about how "hard" it is to actually do it.

      I do have a few customers who put it into action and guess who they were?

      People who were ALREADY in direct mail postcard marketing but were looking for more insight, or offline consultants.

      That's not a bad thing as those people were my targets. They were the ones I thought would be the action takers.

      The thing I figured out was that a large percentage of those on this forum are "push button entrepreneurs"..... meaning they want to sit around and push buttons to generate income.

      Oh well, more money to be made for us DRM guys to make money if everyone else thinks it's "too hard". It's not, though it does require one to get out of bed before 2 everyday, LOL.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I have to agree with Bob Ross, working with clients is a break from running a WSO.
    Any people tell me I'm crazy for not starting the sales price of a wso at 7 bucks!
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    • Profile picture of the author dsprank
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Any people tell me I'm crazy for not starting the sales price of a wso at 7 bucks!
      Good point! I spend more time following up on a 9 dollar sale than I do with a $35,000 Subaru. A WSO can be good to get some ideas flowing, but at some point they will have to learn how to think for themselves.

      I may get some started in the biz, and help out a little afterwards, but sooner or later they will have to deal with the other aspects of business. Things like taxes and any other overhead.
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      • Profile picture of the author MRomeo09
        I tend to buy a lot of Offline WSO's, the reason why is that for the price they are pretty cheap.

        You might ask why I do so, after all I don't even try to get new clients. This business is all about edges. I take a little bit here, a little bit there, tweak with this, and I get more profit.

        Over the course of 15 years or so of self-educating I've spent upwards of $200,000 on books, tapes, dvds, seminars, webinars, teleconferences. I've bought pretty much everything Dan Kennedy has ever put out, and spent more money on Jay Abraham seminars than I'll admit to anyone but my accountant. And yet I still buy $10 WSO's from people that haven't done a thing but create WSO's.

        It's because you never know where your nugget is going to come from. I read something two years ago in an offline WSO that was completely crap but it gave me an idea about how to tweak something I was doing in my business. This small tweak is responsible for six figures of income.

        I'd say close to 90% of courses out there are complete bollocks. Someone was posting yesterday about a WSO they are going to put out that deals with direct mail that gets a 75% response rate. Ummmmm yeah right. Not even the best copywriters boast of greater than 10% return rate, and usually were extremely excited with 3-5% response rates.

        It is what it is. There are still some good nuggets out there in between the crap. If you don't have the experience it's hard to tell who is the shyster and who is legitimate. And even with experience sometimes you get taken.

        Take what you can out of everything. Success leaves clues, after a while you'll get a feel for who is knowledgeable and who is completely clueless.

        Time to head over to the WSO forum and spend another few hundred bucks wading for my nuggets.

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        • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
          Originally Posted by MRomeo09 View Post

          .....Someone was posting yesterday about a WSO they are going to put out that deals with direct mail that gets a 75% response rate. Ummmmm yeah right.
          Link please? I know it ain't true but THIS I gotta see.....
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          • Profile picture of the author jamesace
            I still prefer to do it, rather than teach it. But because it has worked so great for me, I love to share it with others. I'm sure others can have benefit from everything I've learned from doing it (and learning it myself).
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    I agree that there are a lot of crap WSOs out there by people who most likely have never done what they are preaching, but think it would work if someone else tried it. In fact there are a lot of threads like that on here as well.

    With that said I feel like a lot people are making these WSO with the wrong intention. They just want to make a profit off of other warriors and really don't care if they succeed or not. Unfortunately, I don't think that will ever change because it seems like there is a buyer out there for anything. I could release a WSO that says "Make 10 million in 5 days by sending emails" and I guarantee a few people would buy it.

    On the flip side I have bought my fair share of WSOs in the past and I can say with 100% certainty that I wouldn't be where I am today without those and this forum. The way I look at it is each WSO has a little piece of information that I can use to further build my business. I'm not looking for the holy grail in one WSO because for the most part people aren't going to give that info up.

    We just need to use our discretion, weed through the crap and find the hidden gems.

    Sean
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I think the thing to keep in mind is that many WSO buyers are just just opportunistic money making buyers and don't have a true sense of building a real business. Which by the way marketing online is.

    Because of this type of buyers mentality there are those who are the same and completely willing to create products that appear to meet this need.
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    • Great thread.

      reminds me of the world.
      a microcosm.

      some teach, some Do.
      some consume (buy WSO's), some create (help business grow)


      thanks RUS for the thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        The most successful consume and then do/teach.

        Originally Posted by kirbymarketingconcierge View Post

        Great thread.

        reminds me of the world.
        a microcosm.

        some teach, some Do.
        some consume (buy WSO's), some create (help business grow)


        thanks RUS for the thread.
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