Cold Calling is failing me.

by jRad
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I've called about 10 companies in the last half hour, all of them local businesses that don't have websites and have ads in the paper.

Obviously, they're looking for clients. My conversation basically goes like this:

Me: "Hi there company, this is 'name' calling. I saw your ad in x paper and wanted to know if you guys had a website?"

Them: "no actually we don't"

Me: "I see. Have you ever been interested in obtaining and online presence?"

They usually say yes or no. If they say say yes or no, I respond with..

Me: "The reason I'm calling is that since you're advertising in the paper, you want more business. I can get you that business through the internet."

Some common answers are, "no, I don't want a website" - "no, not interested" - and the one I just received... "I'm tired of people soliciting me about ****. don't call me again".
I did meet with two people last week from cold calling, but today's just a fail day.

Am I doing something wrong? Should I try direct mail instead?
#calling #cold #failing
  • Profile picture of the author P1
    10 calls is no where close to enough calls.

    Even with direct mail you have to send a lot to get a small response it's all the same.

    Only thing you can do is do something and do it A LOT.
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  • Profile picture of the author Perestroika
    When you call this is just the same as every other person that is contacting them. Dont offer them a website, offer them results. Make yourself stand out from the rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtaylor
    A few things,
    First 10 calls is not very many. If you are going to set appointments on the phone look to make 100 or more in a day, often double that.

    Second, if this is your home area try stopping in and seeing a few businesses to set appointments. Go casual, carry a cup of coffee in your hand. An afternoon of this will usually get you a few appointments. I have set as many as 8 appointments in just a couple of hours doing it just this way. Make sure you have developed a decent script so you know exactly what you are going to say and how you will counter objections.

    I run into a lot of people each week that have no web presence, no idea how it can benefit them and no interest in learning. Oh well.

    Try to set approximately 10 or more appointments per week. If you have 10 presentations a week every week you will write business. Keep calling or seeing people until your appointment book is full.

    Also, stick with one thing for a while. If you are cold calling, keep calling or seeing people until your appointment book is full. It is way too easy to let a few negative responses shut you down and have you questioning your methods, which leads to the search for the "holy "grail".

    Hope this helps. Remember, this is the hardest part of the business, just getting it started. Once you have a clientele it gets a lot easier both in terms of additional business as well as client acquisition. Most businesses, ours included, find that marketing is the most challenging part of their business.

    DTaylor
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  • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
    So if you send out 10 letters and don't get a response..what's your next move? My point is that it's absolutely ridiculous to stop a marketing method after 10 anything..emails, letters, calls, etc..
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    • Profile picture of the author David Miller
      Part of what you're doing wrong:

      Clearly 10 calls is nothing. I mean really nothing! But I understand that if you are limiting your market to newspaper ads without web addresses there are not going to be very many suspects to call.

      The second thing you're doing wrong is referencing their ad. Just to take that apart so you understand what's wrong about that, here goes:

      First of all, they are most likely dissappointed with the results that they are getting from the ads they are running. For the last couple of days, the only calls they are getting are other ad sales people. In ad sales 101, the first thing the new advertising salesperson is told to do is call people who advertise. So they are upset that the only thing their money has done, was illicit more sales calls.

      You have a script, sort of, but your script sucks. Sorry, but it does. You introduce yourself and you tell them what they already know:

      Me: "Hi there company, this is 'name' calling. I saw your ad in x paper and wanted to know if you guys had a website?"

      They know they placed an ad, they were hoping for a customer, now they feel tricked, and I'm guessing that they sound annoyed too.

      Them: "no actually we don't"

      I'm willing to bet that was one of the kinder responses.

      You need to start exploring this forum, in particular, other threads about selling and cold calling. You'll find a boatload of information about building scripts and asking questions to gain an understanding of what your prospect may be in the market for.

      Right now all you're doing is this:

      Hi, would you like a website?

      There is so much information and so many threads on this forum that there's no reason for this thread to continue. Spend a little time reading the threads and you'll learn more than you can imagine. Don't waste time or money on a WSO...it's all in this forum already.
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      • Profile picture of the author jRad
        Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

        Part of what you're doing wrong:

        Clearly 10 calls is nothing. I mean really nothing! But I understand that if you are limiting your market to newspaper ads without web addresses there are not going to be very many suspects to call.

        The second thing you're doing wrong is referencing their ad. Just to take that apart so you understand what's wrong about that, here goes:

        First of all, they are most likely dissappointed with the results that they are getting from the ads they are running. For the last couple of days, the only calls they are getting are other ad sales people. In ad sales 101, the first thing the new advertising salesperson is told to do is call people who advertise. So they are upset that the only thing their money has done, was illicit more sales calls.

        You have a script, sort of, but your script sucks. Sorry, but it does. You introduce yourself and you tell them what they already know:

        Me: "Hi there company, this is 'name' calling. I saw your ad in x paper and wanted to know if you guys had a website?"

        They know they placed an ad, they were hoping for a customer, now they feel tricked, and I'm guessing that they sound annoyed too.

        Them: "no actually we don't"

        I'm willing to bet that was one of the kinder responses.

        You need to start exploring this forum, in particular, other threads about selling and cold calling. You'll find a boatload of information about building scripts and asking questions to gain an understanding of what your prospect may be in the market for.

        Right now all you're doing is this:

        Hi, would you like a website?

        There is so much information and so many threads on this forum that there's no reason for this thread to continue. Spend a little time reading the threads and you'll learn more than you can imagine. Don't waste time or money on a WSO...it's all in this forum already.
        Thanks for the info! I'll have to scour the forums for good cold calling methods.
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      • Profile picture of the author reactiontm
        Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

        First of all, they are most likely dissappointed with the results that they are getting from the ads they are running. For the last couple of days, the only calls they are getting are other ad sales people. In ad sales 101, the first thing the new advertising salesperson is told to do is call people who advertise. So they are upset that the only thing their money has done, was illicit more sales calls..
        OMG this is SO true!

        In fact, any call I've ever knowingly gotten as a result of advertising for clients was an AUTOMATIC reject.

        Wouldn't have mattered if my leg just got chopped off and they were a tourniquet salesman, if it started with, "I noticed your ad..." gone!

        In addition, even if it's true that they're doing everything wrong, you can't start off with, "YOU'RE doing everything WRONG." You can get there at some point, but you can't beat someone over the head with it and expect to get anywhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Deidra Renee View Post

      So if you send out 10 letters and don't get a response..what's your next move? My point is that it's absolutely ridiculous to stop a marketing method after 10 anything..emails, letters, calls, etc..
      Yes. Why not send 10 google adwords clicks to a sales page for a good test?

      Deidra is the quintessential offline cold caller, and it doesnt surprise me that she was the first to catch this.

      10 calls or even 100 calls isnt enough to judge the potential by. I would insult the audience here to elaborate further. The answer is obvious.
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  • Profile picture of the author jRad
    @P1 / Deidra - I realize 10 isn't much. It's just the response rate I'm getting is terrible. Last week I made about 4 calls and set up two appointments.

    @dtaylor - thanks for the response. I've been under the weather since sunday, so I'm not really feeling it to cold call, but will prevail.

    @Perestroika - I'm offering them more clients. I do suggest that I do that through websites. Should I change up my conversation?
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    • Profile picture of the author P1
      Originally Posted by jRad View Post

      @P1 / Deidra - I realize 10 isn't much. It's just the response rate I'm getting is terrible. Last week I made about 4 calls and set up two appointments.
      You shouldn't base your response rate off previous days.

      100 calls should be only goal and it is the only way to get a consistent response.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
    Direct mail is an option, but it cost money.

    Cold calling doesn't.

    Can I suggest something?

    They usually say yes or no. If they say say yes or no, I respond with..

    Me: "The reason I'm calling is that since you're advertising in the paper, you want more business. I can get you that business through the internet."
    I wouldn't mention the ad yet, instead I'd strike up a conversation. And by conversation, just ask a few leading questions and let them talk.

    I haven't met a business owner yet who doesn't like talking about their business.

    Here is where I would say, how's business?

    Possible scenarios:

    1. Bad. This economy is killing us.

    You: I know what you mean. I have heard from several business owners who are struggling. Sure hope things get better soon.

    (Note: stay away from political talk. Just trust me with this one.)

    2. Pretty good. We did better last year.

    You: That's good to hear. Can you tell me a little bit about your business?

    If the answer is short, embellish on the business.

    Maybe say something like:
    "Is your business family owned and operated?
    What areas do you service?
    What is your best selling product?"


    Try to find something common. And be honest here - don't make something up.

    For example, if you are calling a plumber and your cousin is a plumber, mention that.

    Point: Get them talking!

    Some common answers are, "no, I don't want a website" - "no, not interested" -
    My rule #3 for this objection is to thank them for their time and tell them to have a good day.

    and the one I just received... "I'm tired of people soliciting me about ****. don't call me again".
    Yikes.
    Exactly why I refrain from making calls on Mondays.
    Not to say this is to be expected.
    Not to say this is the way everyone works, but it's the way I work.
    What I'd like to say in response to this.... well, I won't post it.

    When the conversation goes smoothly, say:

    Well, Mr. Smith I certainly appreciate you taking the time to talk to me today. Would it be okay if I designed a demo site for you and we can meet when you have some time - maybe later this week?

    If they ask what your prices are, tell them.
    In my past sales jobs, I wouldn't reveal the price until I showed them the product. But I'm finding that when I tell them the price starts at $___ (use your lowest price) and goes up from there, they're okay with it.


    I did meet with two people last week from cold calling, but today's just a fail day.

    EVERYONE has failed days. Don't beat yourself up. Take the positive out of this. YOU MET WITH TWO PEOPLE LAST WEEK.

    Keep at it.
    Don't give up.
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    • Profile picture of the author jRad
      Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

      Direct mail is an option, but it cost money.

      Cold calling doesn't.

      Can I suggest something?

      They usually say yes or no. If they say say yes or no, I respond with..



      I wouldn't mention the ad yet, instead I'd strike up a conversation. And by conversation, just ask a few leading questions and let them talk.

      I haven't met a business owner yet who doesn't like talking about their business.

      Here is where I would say, how's business?

      Possible scenarios:

      1. Bad. This economy is killing us.

      You: I know what you mean. I have heard from several business owners who are struggling. Sure hope things get better soon.

      (Note: stay away from political talk. Just trust me with this one.)

      2. Pretty good. We did better last year.

      You: That's good to hear. Can you tell me a little bit about your business?

      If the answer is short, embellish on the business.

      Maybe say something like:
      "Is your business family owned and operated?
      What areas do you service?
      What is your best selling product?"


      Try to find something common. And be honest here - don't make something up.

      For example, if you are calling a plumber and your cousin is a plumber, mention that.

      Point: Get them talking!



      My rule #3 for this objection is to thank them for their time and tell them to have a good day.



      Yikes.
      Exactly why I refrain from making calls on Mondays.
      Not to say this is to be expected.
      Not to say this is the way everyone works, but it's the way I work.
      What I'd like to say in response to this.... well, I won't post it.

      When the conversation goes smoothly, say:

      Well, Mr. Smith I certainly appreciate you taking the time to talk to me today. Would it be okay if I designed a demo site for you and we can meet when you have some time - maybe later this week?

      If they ask what your prices are, tell them.
      In my past sales jobs, I wouldn't reveal the price until I showed them the product. But I'm finding that when I tell them the price starts at (use your lowest price) and goes up from there, they're okay with it.





      EVERYONE has failed days. Don't beat yourself up. Take the positive out of this. YOU MET WITH TWO PEOPLE LAST WEEK.

      Keep at it.
      Don't give up.
      Thanks a boatload for the help! I'll come up with something better (better script), and go at it again.
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        • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
          Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

          I was about to reference this thread. If you're trying to set appointments use that script and see if you have a better response,but try it on more than 10 calls.

          You can purchase a list or manually find leads for free. I know you want to focus on people that are already advertising, but just because they're not doesn't mean they can't afford to. They may not understand the benefits and that's where you come in.

          You've already set appointments before so you know you can do it you just have to test different things and see what works and committ to it long enough.
          Good luck!
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          • Profile picture of the author Sullygromo
            Good answer from 512....the other thing i would say is quit calling people who dont have a website. Its 2012. If they dont have it now, they don't see the value...a phone call from you isn't going to change that. Find the people who have sites that are no good.....
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            • Profile picture of the author jRad
              Originally Posted by Sullygromo View Post

              Good answer from 512....the other thing i would say is quit calling people who dont have a website. Its 2012. If they dont have it now, they don't see the value...a phone call from you isn't going to change that. Find the people who have sites that are no good.....
              I tried a business this morning that had a website. Her response was..

              "Our website is just fine thank you. We don't need an overhaul." - and she kept cutting me off whenever I tried to speak up. Oh well, onto the next.
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              • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
                Originally Posted by jRad View Post

                I tried a business this morning that had a website. Her response was..

                "Our website is just fine thank you. We don't need an overhaul." - and she kept cutting me off whenever I tried to speak up. Oh well, onto the next.
                Both ways are working for me: businesses that do not have a website AND businesses that have websites that need a facelift/redo.

                I just finished a redo for a locksmith. When I called her she said she was looking for someone to redo her site.

                May not work for everyone, but it is working for me.


                When I do contact a potential customer who does have a site, I ask them how it is working for them. When the person tells you their website is working fine, maybe you can ask them how much business they are getting from it.

                The common response is they don't know.

                One of the most advantageous ways I help people is by talking to them about how to learn where their business is coming from. Doing so will enable them to concentrate on the areas where the most business is coming from.

                I suggest that they put Google Analytics on the site to see where their traffic is coming from and, of course, the easiest way - when they get a new customer, ask how they heard about them.

                You mention she was cutting you off whenever you tried to speak up. You might want to try not talking until she is finished. Then it's your turn.
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                • Profile picture of the author jRad
                  Originally Posted by Lori Kelly View Post

                  Both ways are working for me: businesses that do not have a website AND businesses that have websites that need a facelift/redo.

                  I just finished a redo for a locksmith. When I called her she said she was looking for someone to redo her site.

                  May not work for everyone, but it is working for me.


                  When I do contact a potential customer who does have a site, I ask them how it is working for them. When the person tells you their website is working fine, maybe you can ask them how much business they are getting from it.

                  The common response is they don't know.

                  One of the most advantageous ways I help people is by talking to them about how to learn where their business is coming from. Doing so will enable them to concentrate on the areas where the most business is coming from.

                  I suggest that they put Google Analytics on the site to see where their traffic is coming from and, of course, the easiest way - when they get a new customer, ask how they heard about them.

                  You mention she was cutting you off whenever you tried to speak up. You might want to try not talking until she is finished. Then it's your turn.
                  Thanks for the PM Lori.

                  Thanks for the tips as well. I find that when I can sense they're going to say no, then I speed up my talking and try to spit it out as soon as possible. Bad idea. I had a few calls today, and the first 30 seconds goes quite well. Goes generally like this:

                  Me: Hey, may I speak with Jim please.

                  Them: Yeah this is Jim

                  Me: Hey Jim, I'm Jarryd. How are you today?

                  Them: Good yourself

                  Me: I'm great. So I was on Google today, and typed in "city plumbing" and your guys' information came up. Can you tell me a little bit about what you guys specifically do?

                  Them: Well we do pipefitting, work with copper, etc.

                  Me: That's awesome. I actually have a cousin who's into plumbing, so I only know a little bit of what you guys do. What areas do you service?

                  Them: We usually service x town

                  Me: Really eh. Yeah, do you guys ever reach the surrounding areas like x town and y place? there's a fair amount of money in those places

                  Them: Yeah we don't really get the time. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.

                  Me: Yeah it can be tough, if you're always on the go. So how do you guys market yourselves right now? How do you guys advertise to get new clients?

                  *this is where things go downhill*

                  Them: - Wait... are you trying to sell me something?
                  - Wait... are you a web designer or something?
                  - Wait... are you actually interested in my services or what are you doing?

                  Me: Well, let me give you some background about what I do. I own my own marketing business, and -

                  Them: No thanks. *click*

                  That's what all my calls have been like today. It's getting better, because they like to talk about themselves, but the moment I offer something they immediately reject. Gah!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Lori Kelly
                    Thanks for the tips as well. I find that when I can sense they're going to say no, then I speed up my talking and try to spit it out as soon as possible. Bad idea. I had a few calls today, and the first 30 seconds goes quite well. Goes generally like this:
                    Hi Jarryd.

                    You are realizing your mistakes on your own and that's a good thing.

                    Sorry I don't have time to skype today. I've got some deadlines I have to meet.

                    Your script sounds like you are trying to sell them something.
                    You're not.
                    You are calling to help businesses grow by using a website.


                    I would suggest this:

                    You: Hello. Can I talk to the owner please?
                    Them: This is the owner.
                    You: My name is Jarryd. What's your name?
                    Them: Jim.
                    You: I'm a website designer. Do you have a website?

                    [keep it easy, simple, short]

                    Me: I'm great. So I was on Google today, and typed in "city plumbing" and your guys' information came up. Can you tell me a little bit about what you guys specifically do?
                    Jarryd - Do they have a site?

                    Them: No, we don't.

                    You: Would it be okay if I developed a demo website for you?

                    Them: No.

                    You: There's no obligation. I could do the demo site for you and if you have just a few minutes at the end of this week, I can drop by and show you what your site will look like.


                    Them: No thanks.

                    If that's the answer, thank them for their time and hang up.

                    If they say yes, then that is where you get them to talk about their business.

                    You: I'll start putting something together for you. Before I do, can you tell me a little bit about your business?

                    [be quiet, start taking notes]

                    If there is silence and you need to lead them, ask them if the business is family owned.
                    How long have they been in business.
                    What type of services do they offer?
                    What areas do they service?


                    Make a list of questions you can ask them, then listen to the answer so that you are able to put together a demo site with the information they tell you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author David Miller
                    Originally Posted by jRad View Post

                    Thanks for the PM Lori.

                    Thanks for the tips as well. I find that when I can sense they're going to say no, then I speed up my talking and try to spit it out as soon as possible. Bad idea. I had a few calls today, and the first 30 seconds goes quite well. Goes generally like this:

                    Me: Hey, may I speak with Jim please.

                    Them: Yeah this is Jim

                    Me: Hey Jim, I'm Jarryd. How are you today?

                    Them: Good yourself

                    Me: I'm great. So I was on Google today, and typed in "city plumbing" and your guys' information came up. Can you tell me a little bit about what you guys specifically do?

                    Them: Well we do pipefitting, work with copper, etc.

                    Me: That's awesome. I actually have a cousin who's into plumbing, so I only know a little bit of what you guys do. What areas do you service?

                    Them: We usually service x town

                    Me: Really eh. Yeah, do you guys ever reach the surrounding areas like x town and y place? there's a fair amount of money in those places

                    Them: Yeah we don't really get the time. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't.

                    Me: Yeah it can be tough, if you're always on the go. So how do you guys market yourselves right now? How do you guys advertise to get new clients?

                    *this is where things go downhill*

                    Them: - Wait... are you trying to sell me something?
                    - Wait... are you a web designer or something?
                    - Wait... are you actually interested in my services or what are you doing?

                    Me: Well, let me give you some background about what I do. I own my own marketing business, and -

                    Them: No thanks. *click*

                    That's what all my calls have been like today. It's getting better, because they like to talk about themselves, but the moment I offer something they immediately reject. Gah!
                    There have been quite a few threads and posts about approaching business owners in such a way as to hide the fact that you are a sales person. Many forum members are always excited about that idea because of their unfounded fear and general lack of understanding of sales.

                    I've usually responded to those posts by expressing the fact that what you are doing is completely deceptive.

                    What you've done is proven that it is deceptive and the results will almost always be what you have experienced here.

                    You'll get a lot further by letting a prospect know who you are, why you are contacting them, how you can help them, what you would like to do to move further along the process.

                    Notice a little something?

                    Who, what, why, when and how.
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                    • Profile picture of the author 512 Designs
                      Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

                      There have been quite a few threads and posts about approaching business owners in such a way as to hide the fact that you are a sales person. Many forum members are always excited about that idea because of their unfounded fear and general lack of understanding of sales.

                      I've usually responded to those posts by expressing the fact that what you are doing is completely deceptive.

                      What you've done is proven that it is deceptive and the results will almost always be what you have experienced here.

                      You'll get a lot further by letting a prospect know who you are, why you are contacting them, how you can help them, what you would like to do to move further along the process.

                      Notice a little something?

                      Who, what, why, when and how.
                      I agree. I think that's deceptive and if I was on the receiving end of that call, I'd be kinda ticked off and thought you were wasting my time.

                      Every business owner is in sales themselves and they understand how the process works. Don't be ashamed of trying to sell something. But don't talk AT the business owner either.

                      I was recently talking to the owner of a tire store I use every time I need tires. We know either other by our first names (I go through a lot of tires for some reason).

                      Anyway, I was talking to him about whether he minds sales calls or if salespeople drop in on him. He said he gets them all the time and expects some sort of pitch. If it's interesting or if they have something he actually wants at the time, he'll listen and usually buy. But what he doesn't like is when a salesman tries to cover up or mislead him in the beginning....and then hit him with a sales pitch.

                      When I was there, I overheard him on a phone call and he kept asking the other person "Is this a sales call?"....."Are you trying to sell me something?". He must have asked that about 5 times and finally hung up on the guy.

                      So again, don't be ashamed about selling your services.

                      I forget who said it, but there's a quote that goes something like "Nothing ever happens until a sale is made.".

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                      Originally Posted by David Miller View Post

                      There have been quite a few threads and posts about approaching business owners in such a way as to hide the fact that you are a sales person. Many forum members are always excited about that idea because of their unfounded fear and general lack of understanding of sales.

                      I've usually responded to those posts by expressing the fact that what you are doing is completely deceptive.

                      What you've done is proven that it is deceptive and the results will almost always be what you have experienced here.

                      You'll get a lot further by letting a prospect know who you are, why you are contacting them, how you can help them, what you would like to do to move further along the process.

                      Notice a little something?

                      Who, what, why, when and how.
                      I absolutely agree.

                      Trying to hide and disguise your real intentions has several negative effects IMHO.

                      If you call and say something like : "hi, who should I talk to to talk about your [whatever stuff you're selling] please ?", you'll have 90% of chances to know who's in charge, which is a first achievement.

                      And when you do get him/her on the phone, and say something like : "Hi M. X, I am Mr. Y from company Z, I'm calling you to talk about [whatever stuff you're selling], you're most likely to get an idea of what kind of people you are talking to, and what he may be after, or not, which is a second achievement.

                      This is great because it will help you use your time in a more efficient way. If the person is looking for the kind of services you are offering, you'll know it right away. If he isn't, you'll be able to ask the typical questions relative to why he's not interested in your product :

                      ==> He already has the product from a competitor : "Fine Mr. X, I know you haven't waited for me us to get things working, but my goal is not necessarily to sell to you, my goal is to bring some comparison material." The goal here is to get a promess from him, and in its case it's a meeting with him, or a demo of your products (be it that you sell web design miles away from him)

                      ==> He doesn't want/need your product : Try to know why, try to know what he is after, and what he is not. Maybe you'll get an opportunity to use one of his answer to your advantage, maybe you'll be definately sure you can't offer him anything. Either way you know what to do next.

                      ==> He doesn't want to talk to you, or doesn't have time : well that happens. Kindly ask him when you can call him back at a time that's ok for him. Maybe you'll call him later in a better/more receptive mood ? Or maybe you'll know you have nothing to win with this customer, but at least you'll know it.

                      Conclusion : the guy you get on the phone is human being just like you. Don't overthink cal calling. Some companies need your services. Some companies are awaiting your call. Billions are spent every day. There's room for everyone (provided you got a decent product).

                      Hope that helps
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbishop
                    Originally Posted by jRad View Post

                    I've called about 10 companies in the last half hour, all of them local businesses that don't have websites and have ads in the paper.

                    Some common answers are, "no, I don't want a website" - "no, not interested" - and the one I just received... "I'm tired of people soliciting me about ****. don't call me again".

                    Am I doing something wrong? Should I try direct mail instead?
                    Originally Posted by jRad View Post

                    @P1 / Deidra - I realize 10 isn't much. It's just the response rate I'm getting is terrible. Last week I made about 4 calls and set up two appointments.
                    I know that I am late to the game but from these 2 post I see that your success rate is 2 out of 14. You need to keep a running total. Many people are happy with 1 out of ten.

                    Also you have been changing up your script, so your numbers need to be tied to each script. Track the effectiveness of each script What you are doing is called split testing.

                    Make sure that you make little changes when testing so you can see if something helps or hurts. If you jump from one script to a completely different one you will not be able to tell what made the difference.
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            • Profile picture of the author jRad
              Originally Posted by Sullygromo View Post

              Good answer from 512....the other thing i would say is quit calling people who dont have a website. Its 2012. If they dont have it now, they don't see the value...a phone call from you isn't going to change that. Find the people who have sites that are no good.....
              How would you go about selling somebody a website that already has one? Most times they're content with what they have. "My 16 year old daughter made one for us already, we don't need another".
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              • Profile picture of the author apurvmat
                Originally Posted by jRad View Post

                How would you go about selling somebody a website that already has one? Most times they're content with what they have. "My 16 year old daughter made one for us already, we don't need another".
                If you know how to, then you can offer onpage SEO on their already designed webpage??
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      • Profile picture of the author 512 Designs
        I'm sorry but if I got a cold call from you that sounded like that, I'd automatically say NO Thanks and hang up. It reaks in salesman.

        How about this approach.

        You - "Hi, this is 'name' from 'company name' and I was doing some internet research and noticed that your company doesn't have a website. Do you mind me asking why?"

        Bus Owner - "I don't think they're worth it". or "I don't have time to build one" or "I don't know how" or "My 10 year old son hasn't finished it yet".

        Whatever he or she says, try to answer the objections but make it conversational as if you were sitting and having a beer together. Empathize with him if he's had a bad experience with a previous website designer.....or if he had one done and paid too much. Basically listen to his concerns and follow up with good answers.

        Then after that's done, try to end with.....

        You - "Well, if you don't mind me taking just a few minutes of your time, I'd love to show you some sample websites that I've designed for my past customers and show you how having your own website can bring you in new business and more money.....which is what we all want....right?"

        Then start laughing a bit and get the appointment.

        I guess the point is to make it a conversation and not a sales pitch.

        Now in full disclosure, I no longer do cold calls. I hate them. But when I did, if I called 10 people, I could almost guarantee I'd get at least 6 appointments.

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        • Profile picture of the author HypeText
          Originally Posted by 512 Designs View Post

          I'm sorry but if I got a cold call from you that sounded like that, I'd automatically say NO Thanks and hang up. It reaks in salesman.

          How about this approach.

          You - "Hi, this is 'name' from 'company name' and I was doing some internet research and noticed that your company doesn't have a website. Do you mind me asking why?"

          Bus Owner - "I don't think they're worth it". or "I don't have time to build one" or "I don't know how" or "My 10 year old son hasn't finished it yet".

          Whatever he or she says, try to answer the objections but make it conversational as if you were sitting and having a beer together. Empathize with him if he's had a bad experience with a previous website designer.....or if he had one done and paid too much. Basically listen to his concerns and follow up with good answers.

          Then after that's done, try to end with.....

          You - "Well, if you don't mind me taking just a few minutes of your time, I'd love to show you some sample websites that I've designed for my past customers and show you how having your own website can bring you in new business and more money.....which is what we all want....right?"

          Then start laughing a bit and get the appointment.

          I guess the point is to make it a conversation and not a sales pitch.

          Now in full disclosure, I no longer do cold calls. I hate them. But when I did, if I called 10 people, I could almost guarantee I'd get at least 6 appointments.

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          Just to expound on what the above poster said.

          How you ask for the appointment is just as important as how you build value and spark their interest.

          Whatever you do...DON'T ask "When is good for you?" or "What does your schedule look like?".

          That just gives them an easy exit.

          Instead try...."I have two slots open tomorrow...one at 11 AM and another at 3 pm, which works better for you?" and shut up!

          If neither of those times are good for them they will let you know and may even suggest another time.
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  • Profile picture of the author NowMadam
    I've managed a call centre in the past and I believe you can increase your conversions immensely if you combine it with some other form of advertising, especially direct mail. The standard advice with cold calling is to build rapport over the phone but that is extremely hard when talking to businesses that get several marketers calling a day.

    An advertising campaign that shows empathy to the troubles a business might be having today, so that you have a degree of name-recognition when you call, helps a lot. Sure direct mail and newspaper ads costs a little money but time is money as well and anything that increases conversions even slightly is worth a small investment.

    At least in my area there are way too many shady people calling and e-mailing businesses with internet-related offers and unless you've got some other form of advertising to make you look a little more legit (name recognition works wonders) you are going to struggle. Just my thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
    I knew right when I read 10 call that you were going to get a talking too. haha It's alright tho because you got to learn from somewhere.

    So obviously by now you realize that 10 calls isn't even on the radar for the amount of calls you should be making in order to make some sales. If you decided that you are going to cold call then just sit down and bang out AT LEAST 100 calls. Sounds like a lot, but it really is just a numbers game. The fact is if you call enough ppl you WILL make a sale.

    I mean I used to sell accidental death and dismemberment insurance. How many ppl do you think want to buy that from a telemarketer? Well, I made a few sales every single night. That was because I must have made hundreds of calls each shift. The second I hung up there was someone else on the line.

    Keep with it, bud. Make enough calls and you'll make some sales. If cold calling was easy, there wouldn't be 20 threads on here talking about how much ppl hate it. haha

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  • Profile picture of the author jRad
    Great responses from everyone. I'm really learning a lot just from this post.

    I've conjured up a more tailored script, let me know if you guys think I need to change anything:

    "Hello, may I speak with "name" please.

    Hello [name]. How are you today?

    I'm great. So I was on Google today, and typed in "city + niche" and your guys' information came up. Can you tell me a little bit about what you guys do?

    That's awesome. I actually have a cousin who's into [niche], so I only know a little bit of what you [niche]. What areas do you service?

    Really eh. Ever thought about expanding to other areas?

    So just to give you a little background, my name is jRad. I own and operate my own marketing business. What I would do for you is basically market your company to get you more clients, which in turn, gets you more money into your pocket. There's a couple ways I could do that - through designing websites, youtube videos and other graphic materials.

    (they'll usually either say yes or no. if they say yes, they'll start asking questions. either way, I'd go into this)..

    If you don't mind me taking just a few minutes of your time, I'd love to sit down with you over a coffee, show you some past websites I've done for customers and show you how having your own website can bring you business and more money.. which is whawt we all want, right? I have some free time thursday or friday afternoon. Which works best for you?"
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  • Profile picture of the author NowMadam
    Maybe instead of asking "Ever thought about expanding to other areas" you could lead the conversation towards what type of marketing they already participate in and how it's working for them. If they admit to failing to keep up with marketing trends you could request a meeting to discuss solutions. Most businesses seem to be overwhelmed by marketing options and if you can get them to admit they're a bit lost a meeting might come easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianTerr
    So you just cold call without doing any research apart from seeing if the prospect has a website?

    NO NO NO NO NO

    Please do a little more research than that, find out who the business owner is, find out why they are advertising, where they are advertising and who they are advertising with.

    Make an educated guess as to how much they currently spend advertising.

    Send out your letter, I always send a KitKat in my letter, and ask the business owner to "make a cup of coffee" and "take a 5 minute break" and really think about what their current marketing is doing for them, and are they getting value for money from their current marketing? Let them know in the letter you will be calling soon to discuss ways of getting better value from their current marketing efforts.

    After a few days follow up your letter with a "cold call" (really a warm call). Then set your appointment.

    A few steps of preparation before your phone call will DRAMATICALLY INCREASE your appointment rate, after a week of high value sales results you will wonder why you did it any other way.

    Good luck, and hit some home runs!
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    • Profile picture of the author HypeText
      Originally Posted by BrianTerr View Post

      So you just cold call without doing any research apart from seeing if the prospect has a website?

      NO NO NO NO NO

      Please do a little more research than that, find out who the business owner is, find out why they are advertising, where they are advertising and who they are advertising with.

      Make an educated guess as to how much they currently spend advertising.

      Send out your letter, I always send a KitKat in my letter, and ask the business owner to "make a cup of coffee" and "take a 5 minute break" and really think about what their current marketing is doing for them, and are they getting value for money from their current marketing? Let them know in the letter you will be calling soon to discuss ways of getting better value from their current marketing efforts.

      After a few days follow up your letter with a "cold call" (really a warm call). Then set your appointment.

      A few steps of preparation before your phone call will DRAMATICALLY INCREASE your appointment rate, after a week of high value sales results you will wonder why you did it any other way.

      Good luck, and hit some home runs!
      Sending the "Snack" is an interesting idea...but I have to wonder what kind of shape they arrive in...ESPECIALLY in the Summer! US Mail Trucks arent air conditioned! lol
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      • Profile picture of the author BrianTerr
        Originally Posted by HypeText View Post

        Sending the "Snack" is an interesting idea...but I have to wonder what kind of shape they arrive in...ESPECIALLY in the Summer! US Mail Trucks arent air conditioned! lol
        It works in Australia in the heat of summer.

        There's actually a WSO on this method, but I've been using it for years. (Magic Letter method) Some people send small plastic toys, some send Minties. It doesn't matter what you send, you need an icebreaker that differentiates your letter from every other letter that arrives in the mail for your prospect on that day, and you need to be able to tie it in with your opening pitch in the letter.
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        • Profile picture of the author jRad
          Originally Posted by BrianTerr View Post

          It works in Australia in the heat of summer.

          There's actually a WSO on this method, but I've been using it for years. (Magic Letter method) Some people send small plastic toys, some send Minties. It doesn't matter what you send, you need an icebreaker that differentiates your letter from every other letter that arrives in the mail for your prospect on that day, and you need to be able to tie it in with your opening pitch in the letter.
          That sounds like a great idea. So do you just collect company addresses, then individually send them personalized / tailored letters along with a candy?

          To me quality > quantity.. If I received something tailored to me (letter), plus candy in the mail.. i'd be impressed.
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          • Profile picture of the author BrianTerr
            Originally Posted by jRad View Post

            That sounds like a great idea. So do you just collect company addresses, then individually send them personalized / tailored letters along with a candy?

            To me quality > quantity.. If I received something tailored to me (letter), plus candy in the mail.. i'd be impressed.
            Pretty much that's how it works, these days I target companies that seem to have a larger advertising/marketing spend. Ask yourself, do you want to deal with Joe's Lawnmowing who spends maybe 50 bucks every couple of months for a flyer drop, or do you want to deal with a guy who has a chain of stores and spends thousands a month on marketing?

            I have a couple of word templates set up, and just drop the details into the file before I print it, always use a good quality watermarked bond, always make sure you spell their name right, always sign the letter with pen. Always hand address the letter in neat handwriting (use a girl for this part, most guys are hopeless), don't skimp on the packaging, send a small padded letter for anything larger than a coin. Post it at the post office nearest your target prospect so it arrives within a day or two. Follow up with your appointment setting call within one day of them receiving the letter.

            To identify the person you need to talk to just call and ask. Here's how it works....

            (Reception when answering your call) XYZ company, how may I direct your call?

            (You) Hi there, I was wondering if you can help me, my name is (you) from (your marketing business) I was just going through our database and was wondering who manages your advertising and marketing at XYX Company)

            (Reception) Oh that would be Dave Walker, he looks after our advertising.

            (You) Great! Thanks for that, what's the correct spelling of "Walker"

            (Reception)W-a-l-k-e-r

            (You)And what's Dave's direct line?

            (Reception)5555 4555

            (You) Fantastic, you've been very helpful, thank you very much, oh one last thing, I just want to confirm the postal address down there at XYZ company.

            (Reception) 1 Business Way, Business Park.

            (You) Thank you once again, have a nice day.



            And by sending them a letter with a gift/toy/chocolate, you've immediately established yourself as someone who knows about marketing, setting the appointment after that is just to easy.

            Go get 'em tiger!
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    • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
      Originally Posted by BrianTerr View Post

      So you just cold call without doing any research apart from seeing if the prospect has a website?

      NO NO NO NO NO

      Please do a little more research than that, find out who the business owner is, find out why they are advertising, where they are advertising and who they are advertising with.

      Make an educated guess as to how much they currently spend advertising.

      Send out your letter, I always send a KitKat in my letter, and ask the business owner to "make a cup of coffee" and "take a 5 minute break" and really think about what their current marketing is doing for them, and are they getting value for money from their current marketing? Let them know in the letter you will be calling soon to discuss ways of getting better value from their current marketing efforts.

      After a few days follow up your letter with a "cold call" (really a warm call). Then set your appointment.

      A few steps of preparation before your phone call will DRAMATICALLY INCREASE your appointment rate, after a week of high value sales results you will wonder why you did it any other way.

      Good luck, and hit some home runs!
      Good idea..I might steal this
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    • Profile picture of the author Teez
      Originally Posted by BrianTerr View Post

      So you just cold call without doing any research apart from seeing if the prospect has a website?

      NO NO NO NO NO

      Please do a little more research than that, find out who the business owner is, find out why they are advertising, where they are advertising and who they are advertising with.

      Make an educated guess as to how much they currently spend advertising.

      Send out your letter, I always send a KitKat in my letter, and ask the business owner to "make a cup of coffee" and "take a 5 minute break" and really think about what their current marketing is doing for them, and are they getting value for money from their current marketing? Let them know in the letter you will be calling soon to discuss ways of getting better value from their current marketing efforts.

      After a few days follow up your letter with a "cold call" (really a warm call). Then set your appointment.

      A few steps of preparation before your phone call will DRAMATICALLY INCREASE your appointment rate, after a week of high value sales results you will wonder why you did it any other way.

      Good luck, and hit some home runs!

      This has intrigued me for a long time especially with small-medium businesses in the UK

      Find out who the business owner is:I think linked in helps here or web info or company literature if any available (please add other methods you may use)


      Find out why they are advertising: (presumably for more custom)

      But this question is still the ones that baffle me aside form Yellow pages,Google sponsored links Newspapers.

      Where they are advertising and who they are advertising with :confused:

      Now if there was an app for that and an app to tell you who did and didn't have websites in your locality, I'd defo be able to use my time more efficiently infact we all would.
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  • Profile picture of the author ebizman
    just keep pushing, I was in and out of the game but I've been doing great the last year! Continue to push, keep making calls, try new strategies, you got it!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author apurvmat
    Lori Kelly hits the nail on it's head. Great advice!

    jRad I would say don't go into how your services can help them at the stage they're at... first let them tell you something about their business before you offer them a solution... they should feel like you have understood their particular problem and so are giving a unique solution based on that.

    Hope to hear a success story from your cold calling soon!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikelukjaniec
    Cold calling is never easy, as rejection is inevitable and can be very debilitating. Therefor, what you should do before contacting a company is find out what the company is about and who the decision maker is (due dilligence). Then, when (if) you're put through you need to tell him/her your name and your company name. Then state a benefit...using "If I could show you how to...would you be interested?" If you get a 'yes' or a 'may be' set an appointment there and tell him / her it'll only be for 10 minutes. Even if they're busy, they can always find 10 minutes (If you go over the time in the meeting, just ask their permission to carry on)
    One tip I learned about rejection...Think of yourself as a waiter offering coffee to your guests after dinner. If they say 'no' they're rejecting the coffee NOT YOU!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Bob Sims
    Being very, very bad at "cold calling" and have been down that path when I first started out, I just want to ask if jRad has looked into those "Call Centers".
    As I understand it, you write the script and they do the calling.

    Maybe it would be better for him, and all he would need to do is make a follow up visit in person if he would like to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author chicka
    try not to sound robotic, paraphrase your lines and always try to build good rapport with your customer
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  • Profile picture of the author macfrank34
    Jrad mate i have got same experience
    Now i am getting customers or sales through email marketing and its little bit working
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    I didnt read the whole thread so if someone said this forgive....

    This statement is COMPLETELY unbelievable to a typical business owner:

    ""The reason I'm calling is that since you're advertising in the paper, you want more business. I can get you that business through the internet."

    The reason is they know their business WAY better than you do and something is working for them (without a website) or they would not be in business.

    A better approach would be to maybe pull the method that is working for them and enhance it.

    An even better option is to locate the people WITH websites and when they say they have a site say, "Well hows that working for you? You must get a ton of customers from it". Then they are either going to blow you off or tell you about the webdesign kid that never updates their site or their site is not producing them customers.
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