I want to get better with SEO and IM!!

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Hey guys, (please read)

Little about myself. I just turned 21, and currently a junior in college. I have already started a business when I was 18...it was a painting business and was bringing in $800+ everyday I decided to market my services with my partner/friend, but it became too difficult to maintain while being in school and demand wasn't there/weather, so it became a summer time hustle.

I currently have about 5 websites right now monetizing with adsense. My highest earning website is making me roughly $30 a month. Thinking about selling it soon...

I also have 1 offline client right now, and am currently in the process of making his website for free to get a testimonial and to start a portfolio for my offline business that I just started. I have been following this forum for the past 3 years and it has helped me tremendously! The people here seem to be very friendly and willing to help others from what ive seen in the past.

I KNOW i can become successful with internet marketing but feel like I'm missing something! And that something I believe, is I don't fully understand how I should be implementing my SEO strategy. I DON'T want to outsource...can't afford it.

Instead of being out partying with my friends on the weekends I am in my apartment reading up on marketing strategies and building my websites. My friends think I'm CRAZY and there is no hope in working for myself. They think you graduate..apply to a job...and work 9-5 the rest of there lives. I'm here to prove them wrong, and have already somewhat proved them wrong in the past.

I hate to ask this, but if there is anyone in here that has been successful in the IM (offline as well) world that is willing to talk strategy when it comes to SEO and how I can better understand it...I would greatly appreciate. Although I am a college student and don't have much income currently I am willing to pay some amount just for some insight. From the people I have talked to that have been successful in Internet marketing...most have had some type of coaching. I believe I don't need a coach because I am a quick learner, and devote ALL my time to the entrepreneurial aspect of business...but it would be nice.

Sorry for the long read..if you even decided to read :p Anyways, Ill drop my email in here if there is anyone in here willing to talk. I'm kind of rolling solo when it comes to this..because no one I know IRL is anywhere near my motivation when it comes to becoming successful. Just want to know if I'm on the right track...I'm on a mission here guys! r1290 at comcast. n e t

Sorry for adding a useless thread

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  • Profile picture of the author racso316
    Well first of all, congrats on your first client. Do your best, provide value and counsel and more will come. Don't be afraid to upsell him and/or ask for referrals, if he's satisfied with your services. Definitely over-deliver and get a glowing testimonail you will use in your own marketing.

    Man, you have that entrepreneurial fire, that desire and passion to work for what you want and you won't take no for an answer. I can relate. I feel the same way. I adopted John Carlton's motto as well, "business before pleasure". I stay up all night, work, study, learn, implement, try, adapt, and study some more. Even on weekends. My social life might be lacking because of this but, I can't complain, I love this stuff. I do take my breaks here and there, but "business before pleasure" all the way.

    Regarding SEO, quoting Michael Gerber now, "work ON you business, not IN it". Yes, learn SEO, apply it on your own sites, google it, go in the main forums here, ask questions, study it and learn it as the back of your hand, excel on it. Once you're sure and you have the knowledge, you can either offer those services to business owners (starting), or hire freelancers to do it for you (best choice). As you grow your business, if you want to grow it (I know you do), you won't have time to do every single little thing, including SEO, and it could get frustrating. Hire a team or a warrior and oversee the process.

    Get paid up-front, some use a set-up fee + monthly fee. With that money, outsource SEO, and everything will get much easier.

    Hat trick on quotes, now Napoleon Hill, "Anything the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve."

    Hope it helps, and keep on going forward,

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author JForsberg
    This is indeed not a useless thread. This would be a useless thread: Please, I need help!!
    With that said, sorry, I can't provide much help to you. I'm still in the learning phase myself - 4th month in IM, yet I'm just 19 so I got a bit more years to learn on, that many others.

    While it may not provide active help to your SEO strategy, I would recommend reading "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill from 1938. That's some old stuff indeed but it isn't less legit by that reason.

    I purchased it for 29$ on something called TripleClicks. I'm gonna mail you something from it, not all since I have no resell right. But I do believe a few lines wouldn't hurt much. If so, Napoleon can sue my butt once I end up where he is - doubt his still alive.

    Edit: Secured, can't copy anything.

    Either way, it's really learning one about what ones mind can help with. 234 pages long, and I've only got to chapter 5 myself out of 14.
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    • Profile picture of the author Seantrepreneur
      Originally Posted by JForsberg View Post

      This is indeed not a useless thread. This would be a useless thread: Please, I need help!!
      With that said, sorry, I can't provide much help to you. I'm still in the learning phase myself - 4th month in IM, yet I'm just 19 so I got a bit more years to learn on, that many others.

      While it may not provide active help to your SEO strategy, I would recommend reading "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill from 1938. That's some old stuff indeed but it isn't less legit by that reason.

      I purchased it for 29$ on something called TripleClicks. I'm gonna mail you something from it, not all since I have no resell right. But I do believe a few lines wouldn't hurt much. If so, Napoleon can sue my butt once I end up where he is - doubt his still alive.

      Edit: Secured, can't copy anything.

      Either way, it's really learning one about what ones mind can help with. 234 pages long, and I've only got to chapter 5 myself out of 14.
      You can get the book for free on this webiste, thinkgrowrich.com. You just have to join their email list. I actually sent this information to my list last week. There is an audio and PDF version available. Definitely a good read.

      Sean
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      • Profile picture of the author prodigy1290
        Originally Posted by racso316 View Post

        Well first of all, congrats on your first client. Do your best, provide value and counsel and more will come. Don't be afraid to upsell him and/or ask for referrals, if he's satisfied with your services. Definitely over-deliver and get a glowing testimonail you will use in your own marketing.

        Man, you have that entrepreneurial fire, that desire and passion to work for what you want and you won't take no for an answer. I can relate. I feel the same way. I adopted John Carlton's motto as well, "business before pleasure". I stay up all night, work, study, learn, implement, try, adapt, and study some more. Even on weekends. My social life might be lacking because of this but, I can't complain, I love this stuff. I do take my breaks here and there, but "business before pleasure" all the way.

        Regarding SEO, quoting Michael Gerber now, "work ON you business, not IN it". Yes, learn SEO, apply it on your own sites, google it, go in the main forums here, ask questions, study it and learn it as the back of your hand, excel on it. Once you're sure and you have the knowledge, you can either offer those services to business owners (starting), or hire freelancers to do it for you (best choice). As you grow your business, if you want to grow it (I know you do), you won't have time to do every single little thing, including SEO, and it could get frustrating. Hire a team or a warrior and oversee the process.

        Get paid up-front, some use a set-up fee + monthly fee. With that money, outsource SEO, and everything will get much easier.

        Hat trick on quotes, now Napoleon Hill, "Anything the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve."

        Hope it helps, and keep on going forward,

        Cheers
        Thanks bud. You definitely sound like myself... Next week once I'm finished up with my tests this week, I am going to pursue finding more clients. I just wanted to figure out the complete SEO aspect of my business before I start offering my services to others. I have the key programs, but would love to know how to implement them all together. I guess I will keep on trucking and doing research on SEO...just feel like I'm missing something.

        Originally Posted by JForsberg View Post

        This is indeed not a useless thread. This would be a useless thread: Please, I need help!!
        With that said, sorry, I can't provide much help to you. I'm still in the learning phase myself - 4th month in IM, yet I'm just 19 so I got a bit more years to learn on, that many others.

        While it may not provide active help to your SEO strategy, I would recommend reading "Think and Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill from 1938. That's some old stuff indeed but it isn't less legit by that reason.

        I purchased it for 29$ on something called TripleClicks. I'm gonna mail you something from it, not all since I have no resell right. But I do believe a few lines wouldn't hurt much. If so, Napoleon can sue my butt once I end up where he is - doubt his still alive.

        Edit: Secured, can't copy anything.

        Either way, it's really learning one about what ones mind can help with. 234 pages long, and I've only got to chapter 5 myself out of 14.
        Interesting... Ill have to check it out.

        Originally Posted by Simoshere View Post

        I Feel The Same As you Bro This IM life Is All I Know Right Now. Im 23, Graduated, Making Chump Change And Engaged To Get Married. I Stay Up Late And Wake Up Early To Learn. Now I'm Implementing.

        Just Like You I Didn't Know Enough About SEO. but A Few Courses Helped Me Out. They Are Fast Attack SEO, 30 Min SEO (Applies Mainly To Local Seo)... and I'll Probably Invest In Google Detonator Soon...

        Take A Look At Those And You'll Soon Know More Than Enough...

        P.s I Also Suggest Learning Google Places Because Thats The Easy Way To Get Your Clients To The Top.
        Cool bro, thanks. How do you suggest figuring out google places real well? I would much rather do my own research than buy a WSO, because I feel most of those WSO are out for people who have no idea and are looking for a quick way out..which usually doesn't end up happening :/

        Originally Posted by Hugh View Post

        It's all about delivering VALUE for payment received.
        You have already discovered that when you add your days
        labor to a $100 bucket of paint, it's new value is $800.

        More years ago than I like to remember, I discovered a
        wholesale source for carpet. My ad "Low, low prices on
        wall-to-wall carpet" in the local Dollar Saver (no internet
        back then) got me a handful of inquiries per week. Made
        3 or 4 appointments, sold 2 or three jobs. Cleared an
        average of $300 per deal. Made a good lining until Home
        Depot killed the market. Back then, my wife worked the
        3 to 11 shift at the hospital. I discovered my best "Closing
        Technique" was sitting in the customers living room, talking
        about carpet (and anything else), being friendly, smiling a
        lot. They would buy just to get me to leave.

        Then there was granite countertops.(And a few more in between,)

        Now there are websites for small businesses.

        It's a game I play. Cash McCall said "Money is how you keep score."

        When it stops being fun, I'll just take my marbles and go home.

        In the meantime, it's all about delivering value.

        Hugh
        I agree it is a game... Just got to figure the best way to play it! Which I am doing right now...I feel like I wasted too much time reading though, and not enough doing! But when I usually DO...i think twice and feel like I'm not on the right track. The most ive made from IM is $30 a month from an adsense site...and as of today...it tanked..and dropped from #2 to #13 in google. blah!

        This is why I want to be able to understand my own SEO and do it myself first! Thanks!

        Originally Posted by Seantrepreneur View Post

        You can get the book for free on this webiste, thinkgrowrich.com. You just have to join their email list. I actually sent this information to my list last week. There is an audio and PDF version available. Definitely a good read.

        Sean
        What exactly is this book btw? Just a motivational book... I have all the motivation I need...but I will def. check it out! Thanks.

        Originally Posted by RobbieT View Post

        IMO Google Places is good place to start and there is plenty of good advice on this forum to work with.

        Also rather than talking to prospective clients about SEO Marketing find another way to describe yourself that is different to all the other people flogging SEO.

        Become the go to person for Maximising Customers or whatever. The term SEO scares most small business people because they don't understand it so use a term they DO understand.
        As in lead generation or something? I agree though... I will need to diversify what I know and be able to differentiate myself from others. How would you reccomend figuring out google places.. I'm going to start reading up on google places asap. Always wondering, if there is a technique for jumping to first in google places?

        Thanks for the replies! Love it.
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      • Profile picture of the author JForsberg
        Originally Posted by Seantrepreneur View Post

        You can get the book for free on this webiste, thinkgrowrich.com. You just have to join their email list. I actually sent this information to my list last week. There is an audio and PDF version available. Definitely a good read.

        Sean
        Yea, found out it was available from tons of sources after I realized the copyright is long gone. Gave it to my entire downline in the MLM I'm with - now offering that plus 2 super ebooks with full MRR for a simple sign-up to my downline
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  • Profile picture of the author Simoshere
    I Feel The Same As you Bro This IM life Is All I Know Right Now. Im 23, Graduated, Making Chump Change And Engaged To Get Married. I Stay Up Late And Wake Up Early To Learn. Now I'm Implementing.

    Just Like You I Didn't Know Enough About SEO. but A Few Courses Helped Me Out. They Are Fast Attack SEO, 30 Min SEO (Applies Mainly To Local Seo)... and I'll Probably Invest In Google Detonator Soon...

    Take A Look At Those And You'll Soon Know More Than Enough...

    P.s I Also Suggest Learning Google Places Because Thats The Easy Way To Get Your Clients To The Top.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hugh
    It's all about delivering VALUE for payment received.
    You have already discovered that when you add your days
    labor to a $100 bucket of paint, it's new value is $800.

    More years ago than I like to remember, I discovered a
    wholesale source for carpet. My ad "Low, low prices on
    wall-to-wall carpet" in the local Dollar Saver (no internet
    back then) got me a handful of inquiries per week. Made
    3 or 4 appointments, sold 2 or three jobs. Cleared an
    average of $300 per deal. Made a good lining until Home
    Depot killed the market. Back then, my wife worked the
    3 to 11 shift at the hospital. I discovered my best "Closing
    Technique" was sitting in the customers living room, talking
    about carpet (and anything else), being friendly, smiling a
    lot. They would buy just to get me to leave.

    Then there was granite countertops.(And a few more in between,)

    Now there are websites for small businesses.

    It's a game I play. Cash McCall said "Money is how you keep score."

    When it stops being fun, I'll just take my marbles and go home.

    In the meantime, it's all about delivering value.

    Hugh
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    "Some see private enterprise as a predatory target to be shot, others as a cow to be milked, but few are those who see it as a sturdy horse pulling the wagon." -- Winston Churchill

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  • Profile picture of the author RobbieT
    IMO Google Places is good place to start and there is plenty of good advice on this forum to work with.

    Also rather than talking to prospective clients about SEO Marketing find another way to describe yourself that is different to all the other people flogging SEO.

    Become the go to person for Maximising Customers or whatever. The term SEO scares most small business people because they don't understand it so use a term they DO understand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Simoshere
    Lol. You are right most of the Google places courses will say the same thing.

    A good course to read is Google Places Zen master by "russells" here on the forum.

    There's another user on here that has a free blog teaching how to optimize Places but I can't find the link right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author prodigy1290
      Originally Posted by Simoshere View Post

      Lol. You are right most of the Google places courses will say the same thing.

      A good course to read is Google Places Zen master by "russells" here on the forum.

      There's another user on here that has a free blog teaching how to optimize Places but I can't find the link right now.
      thanks man. If you ever come across that blog shoot me a link. I love reading other peoples blogs!
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmckinney
    Originally Posted by prodigy1290 View Post

    Hey guys, (please read)



    I KNOW i can become successful with internet marketing but feel like I'm missing something! And that something I believe, is I don't fully understand how I should be implementing my SEO strategy. I DON'T want to outsource...can't afford it.



    Yes you can. You obtain a set up fee and re-invest into a good out sourcer.

    If you try to do all of the SEO work for all of your clients, you will not have enough time to build a business.

    My outsourcer guy rocks, and I supplement with a few fiver gigs. ROI is insane, clients are so happy with my SEO service, I get all of the credit, when it is my guys behind the scenes doing the work.

    Ryan
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    • Profile picture of the author prodigy1290
      Originally Posted by ryanmckinney View Post

      Yes you can. You obtain a set up fee and re-invest into a good out sourcer.

      If you try to do all of the SEO work for all of your clients, you will not have enough time to build a business.

      My outsourcer guy rocks, and I supplement with a few fiver gigs. ROI is insane, clients are so happy with my SEO service, I get all of the credit, when it is my guys behind the scenes doing the work.

      Ryan
      Thanks man. Can you steer me in the right direction when it comes to finding a legit outsourcer that isn't going to rip me off, and gives good quality work? Do you reccomend just going of fivver and placing some high quality backlinks and social bookmarks?
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      • Profile picture of the author RKCastillo
        I just wanted to add a little more to this conversation.

        If you're on the Warrior Forum a lot it's easy to get distracted. You will see this WSO and that WSO and they're all good strategies and will work if you implement them consistently over and over and over again.

        That's the name of the game.

        I would recommend focusing on 1 thing and becoming the go to guy for that one thing.

        In Jiu Jitsu my coach told me..and yes it's a little cheesy but makes sense "Don't fear the guy who has learned a thousand moves. Fear the guy who has practiced one move a thousand times."

        Start off by choosing what you're going to do. i.e. Google Places, or Mobile Websites, or SEO or Social Media or TXT Messaging.

        And become the best guy in your city at that one thing.
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    maps marketing blueprint is an amazing course
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