Letter Gets 40% Of Business Owners To Phone Back And 100% Of Those Buy

13 years ago

Looking like Gold to me... I will make some time to read this!

You have been on a *roll* lately ewenmack.

Much appreciated!

Patrick

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Pierre!

Looking like Gold to me... I will make some time to read this!

You have been on a *roll* lately ewenmack.

Much appreciated!

Patrick

Thanks Patrick!

There is a lesson here in that people prefer examples of what's working
over how to do it.

Here's an example [again] of a marketer testing this theory to his list.

He split test his email message with a "how to"
subject and a "example" subject.

The "example" subject got 58% more open rate and 51% more click thru.

So I'm giving what people want the most.

Best,
Ewen
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iThinkhard

13 years ago

Interesting, but how about 100% response rate?
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Simoshere

13 years ago

I subscribe to Ari's train of thought. I forgot about his letter though! thanks for reminding me about it.

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Simoshere

I subscribe to Ari's train of thought. I forgot about his letter though! thanks for reminding me about it.

You're welcome!

Although it wasn't Ari's letter, it was a client's of his
transferring the verbal skills into print and working
exceptionally well.

Best,
Ewen
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digichik

13 years ago

Thank you for posting this and many of your other posts. I think some people don't realize that offline marketing in actually just sales. To have an effective sales letter written for you can cost $1000s, and to get good sales training can cost $1000s, to get an effective phone script can cost $1000s; yet people like you, John Durham, kaniganj, Russ Sells, David Miller and many others post these golden nuggets for free.

I am very appreciative!

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by digichik

Thank you for posting this and many of your other posts. I think some people don't realize that offline marketing in actually just sales. To have an effective sales letter written for you can cost $1000s, and to get good sales training can cost $1000s, to get an effective phone script can cost $1000s; yet people like you, John Durham, kaniganj, Russ Sells, David Miller and many others post these golden nuggets for free.

I am very appreciative!

I appreciate your kind words, and acknowledging those others too.

Best,
Ewen

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John Williamson

13 years ago

Thanks for the share, good stuff.

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ronr

13 years ago

Thanks Ewen,

I did a little more digging and found a place you can download the actual sales letter and hear the interview.

The Golden Cold Calling Sales Letter - Ari Galper's Unlock The Game

Ron

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ronr

Thanks Ewen,

I did a little more digging and found a place you can download the actual sales letter and hear the interview.

The Golden Cold Calling Sales Letter - Ari Galper's Unlock The Game

Ron

Top man Ron!

I was wondering if I could actually get that letter,
and you've come up with it...

thank you.

Best,
Ewen

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rambo9600

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ronr

Thanks Ewen,

I did a little more digging and found a place you can download the actual sales letter and hear the interview.

The Golden Cold Calling Sales Letter - Ari Galper's Unlock The Game

Ron

I watched Ari live Saturday in a Dan Kennedy webinar, Renegade Millionaire. He was in Australia where he lives. He's doing very well, now works only with Local businesses which really surprised me.

He follows the DK system to a tee.

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rambo9600

I watched Ari live Saturday in a Dan Kennedy webinar, Renegade Millionaire. He was in Australia where he lives. He's doing very well, now works only with Local businesses which really surprised me.

He follows the DK system to a tee.

Yeah I caught that live broadcast of him. Interesting that he
doesn't use cold calling to sell cold calling.

And the social media guy uses and teaches old school
direct response principles for social media.

Total renegades!

Best,
Ewen

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rambo9600

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Yeah I caught that live broadcast of him. Interesting that he
doesn't use cold calling to sell cold calling.

And the social media guy uses and teaches old school
direct response principles for social media.

Total renegades!

Best,
Ewen

I recorded the entire day, 7 hours on video.

Don Crowther--Founder "Social Profit Formula" <<< That's the Social Media guy you spoke of. I was really floored by what he said about FB vs Twitter. I used to think soc media was a waste of time, but he completely turned me around.

In the next week I'll take notes then post here as a PDF.

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by rambo9600

I recorded the entire day, 7 hours on video.

Don Crowther--Founder "Social Profit Formula" <<< That's the Social Media guy you spoke of. I was really floored by what he said about FB vs Twitter. I used to think soc media was a waste of time, but he completely turned me around.

In the next week I'll take notes then post here as a PDF.

Yeah Dave Dee was shocked too, see his reaction?

I was of the same thought too about it.

Guess it's like people saying all different types of media don't work.

It's not the media, it's the dummy screwing it up!

Best,
Ewen

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ronr

13 years ago

I wish I would have heard that. I feel the same way about social media being a waste of time. Maybe it would change mind also if I heard it.

Originally Posted by rambo9600

I recorded the entire day, 7 hours on video.

Don Crowther--Founder "Social Profit Formula" <<< That's the Social Media guy you spoke of. I was really floored by what he said about FB vs Twitter. I used to think soc media was a waste of time, but he completely turned me around.

In the next week I'll take notes then post here as a PDF.

Thanks

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ronr

13 years ago

I bought some of Ari's material on cold calling. I had now idea he was only working with offline clients and he used DK techniques. Wish I would have seen the webinar.

Originally Posted by rambo9600

I watched Ari live Saturday in a Dan Kennedy webinar, Renegade Millionaire. He was in Australia where he lives. He's doing very well, now works only with Local businesses which really surprised me.

He follows the DK system to a tee.

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ronr

I bought some of Ari's material on cold calling. I had now idea he was only working with offline clients and he used DK techniques. Wish I would have seen the webinar.

Ari is still selling his material to a world-wide audience via the Internet.

Just has started to do more lucrative big consulting deals locally.
They have to come to his office which is just a few minutes walk from his home.
You have to fill in a application form, which I have, and his hourly fee is $1,000.

He's in a DK program along with Perry Marshall and Craig Garber.

Best,
Ewen

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ronr

13 years ago

Interesting Ewen,

Any know if the webinars are going to be replayed or if there is a link to find out?

Ron

Originally Posted by ewenmack

Ari is still selling his material to a world-wide audience via the Internet.

Just has started to do more lucrative big consulting deals locally.
They have to come to his office which is just a few minutes walk from his home.
You have to fill in a application form, which I have, and his hourly fee is $1,000.

He's in a DK program along with Perry Marshall and Craig Garber.

Best,
Ewen

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ronr

Interesting Ewen,

Any know if the webinars are going to be replayed or if there is a link to find out?

Ron

No replay Ron.

It was just a live broadcast of guests who have used Dan Kennedy stuff
as a lead into the major product launch which closes/closed at midnight Sunday.

Dave Dee the new head of marketing at Glazer Kennedy hosted the show and naturally pumped them for results, successes and their recommendation on buying the training program.

Best,
Ewen

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ronr

13 years ago

I guess I'm out of the loop. I didn't know Dave was the new head of marketing for Glazer Kennedy. Good for him. I met Dave when we both spoke at a seminar a number of years ago. He was a customer of mine for a number of years but lost touch after a while. Glad he is doing well.

Originally Posted by ewenmack

No replay Ron.

It was just a live broadcast of guests who have used Dan Kennedy stuff
as a lead into the major product launch which closes/closed at midnight Sunday.

Dave Dee the new head of marketing at Glazer Kennedy hosted the show and naturally pumped them for results, successes and their recommendation on buying the training program.

Best,
Ewen

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rambo9600 13 years ago

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- ewenmack 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by rambo9600
  
  Craig Garber is mentoring with DK? Wow!
  
  Craig was initially trained by Gary Halbert.
  
  Yeah Dan teaches how to run an info/guru model that
  has a string of success stories.
  
  I suspect Gary didn't know/teach Craig that side of the business.
  
  You saw Rich Schefren yesterday, the guru to online guru's,
  say Dan taught him about the info. marketing world
  and write his big hit mailer.
  
  Best,
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Rus Sells

13 years ago

I must be blind or the link was redirected because its going to a landing page.

Originally Posted by ronr

Thanks Ewen,

I did a little more digging and found a place you can download the actual sales letter and hear the interview.

The Golden Cold Calling Sales Letter - Ari Galper's Unlock The Game

Ron

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AmarieP 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

I must be blind or the link was redirected because its going to a landing page.

I just posted the link to the letter above.
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- ronr 13 years ago
  
  Glad you found the link again. They changed the link since I orginally posted it.
  
  Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7
  
  I just posted the link to the letter above.
  
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link82

13 years ago

I'm still reading it. Started reading it earlier, got interrupted. I'm trying mailers [just started ~10 days ago] and in small #s. I liked what I've read so far and think it holds truth to it.

Will come back once I'm done.

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RobbieT

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ewenmack

I always like showing case studies because
they have more value than opinions.

Opinions are a dime a dozen and mostly free here.

For this one, the letter is modelled on Ari Garper's
telephone sales principles.

Ari got hold of it from his client
and de-constructs it with another person.

The transcript of it is here...

http://www.unlockthegame.com/DocumentFiles/164.pdf

Enjoy!
Ewen

P.S. Thanks to Ron, he's dug up the actual letter
as well as Ari's notes on it, plus the audio commentary.
So scroll down and thank Ron please.
The Golden Cold Calling Sales Letter - Ari Galper's Unlock The Game

Thanks Ewen & Ron

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Originally Posted by RobbieT

Thanks Ewen & Ron

Hey Robbie, your Rugby team got whipped on Saturday night...

what's going wrong with them?

Best,
Ewen
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racso316

13 years ago

You notice that even the first sentence, he doesn’t say,
“Send us all your money.” He says, “You start with small
orders and outsource them. Small orders first, why? So we
can prove our trust of your business.” And…to make sure

Ari:

…we are a good fit together. There you go, the same
language again. He’s saying, “Look, give us a try on a

small scale.”

That's great. A more reservede call to action, focused more on bulding trust than anything else. I like how the whole letter flows together. Great swipe file. I'm going to listen to the recording now, with the letter in my hand.

Once again, thanks Ewen for the share. And Ron for the letter.

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Deidra Renee

13 years ago

I was just getting ready to do a small mailing some time this week (implementing BobRoss's wso..the saturation mailings/premium one) and this will help me a lot. I was going for a more *non sales* approach, but was thinking my letter was too long. This cleared up some things for me considering the fact that his letter is way longer than mine (lol) and still gets a good response.

I think following the guidelines of this letter along with the envelope strategy that Bob Ross suggests in his rapid response wso will probably yield the same conversions..or close to it.

This letter is worth money. Thanks for this!

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Deidra Renee

This letter is worth money. Thanks for this!

Deidra,

You can always make a donation to the Deserving Ewen Charitable Trust!
LOL.

Best,
Ewen
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KuanYew

13 years ago

good read! i remembering reading sumwhere that email (still a letter, albeit a digital one) still leads in being the best conversion channel compared to all other digital channels

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link82

13 years ago

ewen--truly, a great and valuable read. I am only reaching out to prospects now and never having done mailers etc., I don't know if I'm doing things right or wrong. Reading this pdf, I liked how the letter was broken down. Plus--I like the idea of not being a pushy salesman and building an honest relationship.

Of course, now I want to read that letter. Based on what I have read, I will try to construct a new mailer that has the major components the pdf talks about [diffusing pressure being the main one!] and see what I can come up with. But if you have any examples of such a letter, that'd be freakin' awesome to look at for reference.

I can't thank you enough. Anyone starting off with their own business, give this a good read and see if it speaks to you.

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goldie22

13 years ago

Nice share guys! Definitely has some good tips! Selling without sounding like you're selling is the best approach. Back when PC's first started being sold at the retail level I used to sell them, and the way I approached my customers was to ask them how they planned to use the computer..for example work, gaming, etc as this would help me steer them in the direction of the right computer to meet their needs, while many of the other salesman would simply jump in trying to sell them on the computer with the most bells and whistles regardless of their needs. Guess who sold the most

Cheers,

Debbie

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by goldie22

Nice share guys! Definitely has some good tips! Selling without sounding like you're selling is the best approach. Back when PC's first started being sold at the retail level I used to sell them, and the way I approached my customers was to ask them how they planned to use the computer..for example work, gaming, etc as this would help me steer them in the direction of the right computer to meet their needs, while many of the other salesman would simply jump in trying to sell them on the computer with the most bells and whistles regardless of their needs. Guess who sold the most

Cheers,

Debbie

Thanks Debbie.

"Pushing" the person to the PC that's going to meet his/her use
is good!

Thanks for letting us know of your experience.

Best,
Ewen

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AnthonyCurtis

13 years ago

Thanks Ewen!

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goldie22 13 years ago

Thanks Debbie.

"Pushing" the person to the PC that's going to meet his/her use
is good!

Thanks for letting us know of your experience.

Best,
Ewen

You're welcome, Ewen! Although I prefer to think of it as I was "guiding" them to the right PC

Cheers,

Debbie
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  Originally Posted by goldie22
  
  You're welcome, Ewen! Although I prefer to think of it as I was "guiding" them to the right PC
  
  Cheers,
  
  Debbie
  
  Now you're being "Politically Correct"... ha ha.
  
  Best,
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bobmcalister

13 years ago

anyone care to share the actual letter in the thread? the link goes to the page, which goes nowhere , or so it does for me and my trusted computer? thanks

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Nathan Alexander

13 years ago

I just tried it again and it worked for me. Do you have any pop up blockers on? Does a bar drop down stopping you from opening/downloading the pdf of the letter?

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bobmcalister

13 years ago

well...it doesnt work for me . How long is the letter ? can yall copy and paste it here ? thanks

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vndnbrgj

13 years ago

Originally Posted by bobmcalister

well...it doesnt work for me . How long is the letter ? can yall copy and paste it here ? thanks

Try this link: http://www.unlockthegame.com/temp/20...rk_Coudray.pdf

It's 4-5 pages

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13 years ago

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Ronald Nzimora

13 years ago

If you'd be so kind as to share the letter or send me a PM with a link, it'll be very much appreciated.

Wouldn't hurt to have that in our swipe file to get inspiration from.

Thanks in Advance.

Ron

Originally Posted by JMB Marketing Group

NOPE!

It's a dead link (blank page).

However, I did download the PDFs (there was more than one) onto my computer.

I would love to share them here, but need to check with the mods here if it's OK.

The reason why I am asking permission to do so, is there's obviously a reason why, when you click on the clicks to get the letter, it is no longer available. Maybe it wasn't for ALL to have.

I don't want to break any copyrighting infringements; So, mods, is it OK to post them here or not?

Please advise.

Thanks,

JMB

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Jeremy James

13 years ago

I had this up last week on my office computer, and had just been on the Unlock the Game site, and came here, and it was up. Miracle!

Currently, I am "touching" the cellular phone, pallet, and cardboard brokering industries. Of specific interest to me now in my cellular phone industry. I HAVE to save my company.

I wonder if a letter like this could help.........I have a pretty extensive mail list that was just given to me.

I am checking to see how I can modify this for trying to sell cellular phones.

Jeremy

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WandaW

13 years ago

I thought I had downloaded this and now I can't find it. The link goes to Unlock the game Sales site and test drive of his system. Would anyone that has it be willing to share???? You can pm me.... Or is it hidden on there and I missed it?

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YellowGreenMedia

13 years ago

its 4-5 pages? isn't that a bit much for a sales letter?

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ewenmack 13 years ago

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

its 4-5 pages? isn't that a bit much for a sales letter?

The readers it was sent to obviously didn't think so because 40% of them phoned and 100%
of those bought!

Best,
Ewen
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ronr

13 years ago

Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia

its 4-5 pages? isn't that a bit much for a sales letter?

I've used 8-10 page sales letters. My longest was 20. Make them interesting and persuasive and it doesn't matter how long they are. Of course testing is the only way to really know: long vs. short, different offers, prices points, etc.

Ron

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The Sales Guy

13 years ago

Ewen, I'm a longtime lurker who just joined WF.

I wanted to personally express my thanks for all of the wonderful material and information you share

Just like the rest of us, your time is surely valuable. Thanks for looking out!

P.S. ~ Even bigger THANKS for posting outside of the copywriting forum. That's how I spell C~L~A~S~S

Joe

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

Ewen, I'm a longtime lurker who just joined WF.

I wanted to personally express my thanks for all of the wonderful material and information you share

Just like the rest of us, your time is surely valuable. Thanks for looking out!

P.S. ~ Even bigger THANKS for posting outside of the copywriting forum. That's how I spell C~L~A~S~S

Joe

Thank you Joe for your time to write this, very nice indeed.

It's the love of marketing that keeps me coming back and posting,
there's no other motive.

Best,
Ewen

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wally247

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ewenmack

I always like showing case studies because
they have more value than opinions.

Opinions are a dime a dozen and mostly free here.

For this one, the letter is modelled on Ari Garper's
telephone sales principles.

Ari got hold of it from his client
and de-constructs it with another person.

The transcript of it is here...

http://www.unlockthegame.com/DocumentFiles/164.pdf

Enjoy!
Ewen

P.S. Thanks to Ron, he's dug up the actual letter
as well as Ari's notes on it, plus the audio commentary.
So scroll down and thank Ron please.
The World's #1 Trust-Based Sales Trainer - Ari Galper's Unlock The Game

Great share.

I had a friend let me borrow Unlocking The Game over the weekend, and I am making cold-calls today.

I love what Ari teaches because it's so dead simple and even though I'm only 1 call deep for today, I already know that rejection in the traditional sense is not going to happen to me a whole lot.

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ewenmack

13 years ago

Originally Posted by wally247

Great share.

I had a friend let me borrow Unlocking The Game over the weekend, and I am making cold-calls today.

I love what Ari teaches because it's so dead simple and even though I'm only 1 call deep for today, I already know that rejection in the traditional sense is not going to happen to me a whole lot.

Well done!

Most people don't realize that a in person sales script can be used in print and multiplied.

But first, have to get that winning sales pitch /discussion going first.

Best,
Ewen

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santi 13 years ago

Thanks for the post. Never actually heard of the guy before. Have been following the Sandler System which I understand is similar but a little different.
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moneylab

13 years ago

I would love to get my hands on this letter, but as others have mentioned, all links listed above are either broken (blank) or they lead to his 'test drive' page. Anyway to get a copy from anywhere? Any and all help is appreciated :-)

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Excel Fields

13 years ago

Originally Posted by moneylab

I would love to get my hands on this letter, but as others have mentioned, all links listed above are either broken (blank) or they lead to his 'test drive' page. Anyway to get a copy from anywhere? Any and all help is appreciated :-)

I'm with you.

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JMB Marketing Group

13 years ago

Originally Posted by wally247

Great share.

I had a friend let me borrow Unlocking The Game over the weekend, and I am making cold-calls today.

I love what Ari teaches because it's so dead simple and even though I'm only 1 call deep for today, I already know that rejection in the traditional sense is not going to happen to me a whole lot.

Did you know that "borrowing" / "lending" copyrighted digital information is illegal and considered a criminal offence?

If it wasn't, I would lend tons of things to people wanting to "borrow" it!

But, hey, I just follow the law-abiding rules -- digital or not!

JMB

P.S. Crap, it sucks to be me! Always wanting to share digital information, but knowing that I can't.

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Fernando Veloso

13 years ago

Completely missed this one! Is there an actual direct link to the sales letter?

Much appreciated.

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bobmcalister

13 years ago

JMB Marketing....you can send it to me by pm...or .anyone you prefer..I really dont know why you cant share it here yet I am not certain of the TOS on this forum, evn though I have been here for a while....lol
anyway, just pm me or the mods or Ewen or ??...thanks !

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JMB Marketing Group

13 years ago

Originally Posted by bobmcalister

JMB Marketing....you can send it to me by pm...or .anyone you prefer..I really dont know why you cant share it here yet I am not certain of the TOS on this forum, evn though I have been here for a while....lol
anyway, just pm me or the mods or Ewen or ??...thanks !

Bob, I've shared 'private' stuff with YOU in the past, but YOU didn't reciprocate the love!

Funny that you don't remember me :confused:

JMB

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mrtrance

13 years ago

Can some share a copy of the letter or PM me the letter? Thanks.

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The Sales Guy 13 years ago

As is the case with others, the link provided to view the sales letter is a dead end, for me.

Anyway someone can post it online? I'm fairly new here and cannot PM yet.

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AussieT

13 years ago

I would also like a copy of the letter if anyone would care to share it. You can PM me if you wish.

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KarenNZ

13 years ago

This just makes a lot of sense. One time when I was applying for a job, believe it or not my cover letter was probably a little like this. I had the employer phone me and ask me 'how much I wanted'.

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James.N

13 years ago

Did we ever figure out if its okay to share the actual letter? Im interested in seeing it.

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Illini Marketer

13 years ago

I just went through most of this info from Ari. I all sounds good but I never actually saw the sales letter they kept talking about. Am I missing something here?? Please let me know.

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jomina

13 years ago

Yeah I would love to get ahold of this as well. Having all kinds of issues getting my biz started up lol

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The Sales Guy

13 years ago

Hmmmm...seems nobody is too keen on posting this mysterious letter.

Could it be this was all "guinea pig" marketing at it's finest?

This Ari fella must've had quite a spike in traffic from WF. I went to his website, but, didn't find anything too interesting. Just another guru pitching the hidden secrets to a "new and improved" sales process. Yawn

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JMB Marketing Group

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

Hmmmm...seems nobody is too keen on posting this mysterious letter.

Could it be this was all "guinea pig" marketing at it's finest?

This Ari fella must've had quite a spike in traffic from WF. I went to his website, but, didn't find anything too interesting. Just another guru pitching the hidden secrets to a "new and improved" sales process. Yawn

The Sales Guy,

WOW!

That was a crude and presumptuous statement that you just made, especially since you just joined here -- April 2012!

For your information, the letter was REAL!

However, with the assumption that you've just made, I REALLY, REALLY DON'T want to post it --- especially for YOUR benefit!

I can't believe that you could also make another statement without having all the facts --- meaning, look up Ari, and you will know who HE IS!

Keeping the rest of my mouth shut (don't want to get banned)!

JMB

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by JMB Marketing Group

The Sales Guy,

WOW!

That was a crude and presumptuous statement that you just made, especially since you just joined here -- April 2012!

For your information, the letter was REAL!

However, with the assumption that you've just made, I REALLY, REALLY DON'T want to post it --- especially for YOUR benefit!

I can't believe that you could also make another statement without having all the facts --- meaning, look up Ari, and you will know who HE IS!

Keeping the rest of my mouth shut (don't want to get banned)!

JMB

JMB, I am a longtime lurker here on the WF, but, as you were so kind to point out, officially joined not too long ago.

Apparently - according to your theory - one cannot express his or her thoughts or opinions if fairly new on here. Hmmmmmm, I myself don't remember reading anything pertaining to that in the WF rules thread. Maybe you can share it with me if you come across it. Bottom line is...

I don't care if I just became a member of this site 15 minutes ago, I have the EXACT same right as anyone else to speak my mind!

Secondly, I NEVER said the letter wasn't real. I challenge you to find where I mentioned that ANYWHERE in my post. DO NOT put words in my mouth, honey-buns!! Rather, what I did suggest, was that maybe the letter idea was subtlety referenced as a way to drive traffic to this sales trainers website. "Guinea Pig" marketing was the actual quote I used in my post, if you'd really like to split hairs...and even this was said a bit tongue in cheek. Here's the reality, JMB...

The OP originally wrote about this letter on the 11th. As of late yesterday evening - the 17th - there was still no letter produced, even though COUNTLESS individuals asked for it numerous times (including myself). So, I feel QUITE justified in expressing the thoughts I did in my post.

Finally, aside from the sales trainer himself, I NEVER referenced any one particular person by name, insulted anyone, berated anyone, etc. Matter of fact, I am quite the fan of the OP's knowledge, and have even publicly thanked him for sharing his experience with this forum.

It's this simple...

If something is mentioned for all to see in a post, and it isn't available, I believe the post is meaningless and should be deleted.

JMB, if in someway you are in bed with Mr. Galper and any of his related businesses, you should simply fess-up, instead of attacking someone like myself for only pointing out what a lot of other people were thinking

Yours Truly,
Mr. Romance

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AmarieP

13 years ago

I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but here is the letter.

unlockthegame.com/DocumentFiles/161.pdf

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Ronald Nzimora

13 years ago

Luvfoxy,

Take a bow!

Thank you so very much!

I like how you came in and simply gave the link to the letter.

Sometimes on this forum people just go from topic to bicthing and arguments and quarrels.

It's not right folks. It's just not right.

Let's learn to accord each other some due respect and not try to be the moral police.

Thanks again, Luvfoxy.

And no I don't think you'll get into trouble for this.

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Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7

I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but here is the letter.

unlockthegame.com/DocumentFiles/161.pdf

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The Sales Guy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by john55

Luvfoxy,

Take a bow!

Thank you so very much!

I like how you came in and simply gave the link to the letter.

Sometimes on this forum people just go from topic to bicthing and arguments and quarrels.

It's not right folks. It's just not right.

Let's learn to accord each other some due respect and not try to be the moral police.

Thanks again, Luvfoxy.

And no I don't think you'll get into trouble for this.

Ron

I agree 110%

And I too thank you, Luvfoxy!

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kirbymarketingconcierge 13 years ago

what do the stats say.
does the letter get a fair response rate or not is the question

providing a link is not illegal. IMO

Ari is like all others. promotion 1st.

It does provide a way to cold call (and sales letters) with a change in the mind (attitude).

If you have been in sales and faced rejection you know the adage
"buyers are liars", so Ari's traumatic sales experience was just leveraged to create a story, that people can buy into, get inspired enough to take some action, with which Ari can make money from.

I do give him credit, for last year I was told he did a seminar and got on the phone live making cold calls.

he should be here, and I have referenced him several times on this forum.

could he give us marketing specifics on the long sales letter? that would be nice.
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cakoa 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7

I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but here is the letter.

unlockthegame.com/DocumentFiles/161.pdf

Thank you so much for posting the letter.
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digichik 13 years ago

Here is the link to the PDF, given earlier in this thread.

Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7

I hope I don't get in trouble for this, but here is the letter.

unlockthegame.com/DocumentFiles/161.pdf
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  Originally Posted by digichik
  
  Here is the link to the PDF, given earlier in this thread.
  
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jimbo13

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

The OP originally wrote about this letter on the 11th. As of late yesterday evening - the 17th - there was still no letter produced, even though COUNTLESS individuals asked for it numerous times (including myself). So, I feel QUITE justified in expressing the thoughts I did in my post.

By the way I agree with what you say but just to point out the original post is 11th March.

And this is not for you but that foxy person is an idiot.

I am a War Room member.

So maybe I should just take everything and put it up on some other peoples forums.

Presumably this pdf is part of a paid membership.

So in a way this is theft what you are doing.

You may not see it like that but it is.

I believe there are sites that freely steal and share others content including stuff form the War Room.

Why turn this forum into one just as base?

Dan

By the way I have absolutely no idea who this Ari person is nor do I care.

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AmarieP

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

By the way I agree with what you say but just to point out the original post is 11th March.

And this is not for you but that foxy person is an idiot.

I am a War Room member.

So maybe I should just take everything and put it up on some other peoples forums.

Presumably this pdf is part of a paid membership.

So in a way this is theft what you are doing.

You may not see it like that but it is.

I believe there are sites that freely steal and share others content including stuff form the War Room.

Why turn this forum into one just as base?

Dan

By the way I have absolutely no idea who this Ari person is nor do I care.

I don't believe I am an idiot. I didn't STEAL this. I found it on Google. So since it's out there on Google for the world to see, then why can't I share the link to save people time from trying to find it themselves.

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jimbo13

13 years ago

So let others find it.

But it is essentially part of a site one has to pay to join or do someting because it is not freely available on that persons site is it?

Dan

PS: No you are not a thief per se but it was put up on this site by the OP and obviously the link was killed by the owner of the site for a reason.

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AmarieP

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

So let others find it.

But it is essentially part of a site one has to pay to join or do someting because it is not freely available on that persons site is it?

Dan

I don't know, but why are you getting on my case about it when I'm not the only one who is posting links about this. Just because I found a link that actually works doesn't make me the bad guy or an idiot as you would say. I want to help people and since this was already being discussed and links already being shared I figured I would help those who were looking for it. Your fight isn't with me, it's with Google for making this public and if it's wasn't for free then the person who owns that site should really look into protecting their paid content more.

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The Sales Guy

13 years ago

Luvfoxy, I am by no means an expert when it comes to copyright law (nor do I claim to be), however, if you did indeed find this openly available on Google, and posted it here on the forum, methinks you have nothing to concern yourself with.

Again, thanks for posting the link

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

Luvfoxy, I am by no means an expert when it comes to copywrite law (nor do I claim to be), however, if you did indeed find this openly available on Google, and posted it here on the forum, methinks you have nothing to concern yourself with.

Again, thanks for posting the link

Thank you, I did find this on Google and If I didn't I surely wouldn't have shared it.

I just wanted to share to stop the bickering but I see I started a new fight for one reason or another.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7

Thank you, I did find this on Google and If I didn't I surely wouldn't have shared it.

I just wanted to share to stop the bickering but I see I started a new fight for one reason or another.

Your intentions were right, just misguided slightly.

I have a forum full of free content, but I dont want it posted on other peoples real estate. Its for my people. Its made to make MY site interesting.

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AmarieP 13 years ago

Thanks for the apology jimbo,

I really didn't mean any harm. I guess I will not be sharing any more links.

BTW John I love you! I Think you are a genius.
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  Thanks for the apology jimbo,
  
  I really didn't mean any harm. I guess I will not be sharing any more links.
  
  BTW John I love you! I Think you are a genius.
  
  Did someone other than myself just straight up say "I love you" to another Warrior?
  
  Gosh darn....heart exploding! I love you too! Just the fact that you can express freely without inhibition like that makes me love you!
  
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The Sales Guy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7

Thank you, I did find this on Google and If I didn't I surely wouldn't have shared it.

I just wanted to share to stop the bickering but I see I started a new fight for one reason or another.

Again, no need to fret, Foxy

And I don't believe you started anything, it was already started, lol.

Even though I'm new here, methinks J. Durham is good people, judging from all I've seen and read. He's just pointing something out.

In terms of the other poster who referenced you in a not-so-nice way, I believe he apologized (see his post above). So, looks like the dust can settle down now.

Wheeeeeeew. I don't know about anyone else, but, I need a drink after all that drama. Is this the WF, or, the Jerry Springer show? :p

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

Again, no need to fret, Foxy

And I don't believe you started anything, it was already started, lol.

Even though I'm new here, methinks J. Durham is good people, judging from all I've seen and read. He's just pointing something out.

In terms of the other poster who referenced you in a not-so-nice way, I believe he apologized (see he post above). So, looks like the dust can settle down now.

Wheeeeeeew. I don't know about anyone else, but, I need a drink after all that drama. Is this the WF, or, the Jerry Springer show? :p

I hear you, I'm out of breath and I'm just typing. I think I'm going to pour me a double shot of scotch!

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AmarieP 13 years ago

Your welcome John, I can't wait for the Bower Formula 2.0
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The Sales Guy

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jimbo13

By the way I agree with what you say but just to point out the original post is 11th March.

And this is not for you but that foxy person is an idiot.

I am a War Room member.

So maybe I should just take everything and put it up on some other peoples forums.

Presumably this pdf is part of a paid membership.

So in a way this is theft what you are doing.

You may not see it like that but it is.

I believe there are sites that freely steal and share others content including stuff form the War Room.

Why turn this forum into one just as base?

Dan

By the way I have absolutely no idea who this Ari person is nor do I care.

Jimbo, all's I am doing is reading a sales letter that was OPENLY posted as to being free and available for consumption, on this forum. If it WASN'T intended to be read, I'm sure this entire thread would've been deleted by now.

All that being said, I agree with your comments (with the exception of the Foxy, part) as well

Long and short of it is, though...

We now have access to this material. Hopefully, this will stop the bickering.

I'm more of a lover than a fighter :p

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jimbo13 13 years ago

Yes I know it is now out there and like I say not really anything to do with me.

I don't think anyone should just be putting other peoples things out and about without permission.

So that is why I presume the owner of unlockthegame pulled it as it makes a mockery of his business just like some sites make a mockery of WSO and War Room by freely making them available.

You can google John Durhams telemarking report and you will see what I mean.

It is just a bee in my bonnet that is all.

Dan

PS: Okay I apologise to luv foxy. I think it was the OPs fault really. So sorry.
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YellowGreenMedia

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

Hmmmm...seems nobody is too keen on posting this mysterious letter.

Could it be this was all "guinea pig" marketing at it's finest?

This Ari fella must've had quite a spike in traffic from WF. I went to his website, but, didn't find anything too interesting. Just another guru pitching the hidden secrets to a "new and improved" sales process. Yawn

You're not the only one wondering about this, and i have been here much longer then you... (because that seems to be really relevant to people)

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jimbo13 13 years ago

Well it wont be posted again because it is not anyone on this forums letter to post.

Quite simple concept really.

It was in the public domain I presume as the early posts all mention that they have seen it.

So perhaps this Ari person had it on his homepage as a case link at the time as it was one of his students letters and then removed it which would not be unusual thing to do.

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John Durham 13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

This Ari fella must've had quite a spike in traffic from WF.

Ari gets alot of fanboy props around here... Im thinking he's already a Warrior. He should be (just out of gratitude) contributing here himself. IMO

Or at least giving us a nod...

Dont know him, have heard alot of good "standard" advice quoted by others from him though... The guy doesnt move me either way. I have seen good trainers, excellent trainers and average ones...

No hate intended because Ive never once made a comment about the man before either way I dont think... but he seems kinda boring and average as a trainer to me from what I've picked up.

One of his biggest fans ripped material straight off my site and posted it on theirs written in the first person ... So I wouldnt put it past people from his group to do things like that but thats a generalization so take it with a grain of salt...

Also, one of his biggest promotors was "Evie" who was busted as being Tony Seruga by some of my forum members last year and Warrior Benn from the WF...

I dont think that makes him dishonest by association by any means... but two of the people I hear promoting him heavier than anyone else have been busted lying and scamming and having multiple identities...

They seem to have a vested interest with the style of promoting him that they tend to display alot of them, but I guess the same could be said of myself sometimes when people go on about the teachings publicly, so...

I dont want to point fingers and again, I have never said a suspicious word about the man, my opinion on the subject and 50 cents might buy you a walmart coke, BUT this has been my experience with his fan club... I get people coming to the TMF all the time trying to discredit our theories by quoting his... Im like "Why arent you on his site instead of mine then"?

It all smells of fanboys, promotion and sabotage to me.

Either way I dont care...Just sayin.

Originally Posted by JMB Marketing Group

Bob, I've shared 'private' stuff with YOU in the past, but YOU didn't reciprocate the love!

Funny that you don't remember me :confused:

JMB

"I" remember you!

Seriously though, Bob has thousands of customers and gets tons of emails everyday... there are so many usernames and email addresses... Its easy not to remember who you talked to sometimes in his position, even if the conversation is somewhat deep, especially if has been a long time and many conversations in between, its not humanly possible to remember everyone's name or conversation when you have that many people working with you... Honestly.

I got love for you JMB, so Im just sayin, but honestly we are just talking reality... There is a good chance that I owe you an email from last year too... There are just alot of pms that fly back and forth over the course of a year here, and its not unbelievable that he didnt remember... if in fact thats the case.

I cant expect a professional to stop on a dime for free and email with me for two hours per day, even though they might love to. Its more considerate to let them do it on the forum where everyone can benefit from the answers and where they can answer everyone at once instead of answering the same basic questions a hundred times per day and being locked down to their email box....

Ps I have made a certain un named Warrior here tens of thousands of dollars, and he has NEVER returned an email inquiry for me even ONCE...(some know who...I know Bob does for sure)

Now THAT I dont appreciate. If I made you money you should email me back. I dont forget to email guys who make me that much money
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13 years ago

So no one has the letter to share?

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John Durham

13 years ago

Personally I think Ari owes Allen some contribution as much as he is promoted here. Seriously just the ethics of it bother me... He never contributes yet we are all supposed to respect him as some kind of superstar?

I would respect him more if he would save his fans face and come make a showing for them after all of their support...

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Luvfoxy7

I don't believe I am an idiot. I didn't STEAL this. I found it on Google. So since it's out there on Google for the world to see, then why can't I share the link to save people time from trying to find it themselves.

Try posting one of Allens free WF articles on someones elses site just because...and see what happens.

Taint cool. It Allens content to make decisions with not ours.

Alot of things are legal but not ethical. Im surprised that some with bible verses as handles here would support this and wonder why we need moral police.

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drees5761

13 years ago

Big fuss over nothing. That letter is just a rehash of stuff i have seen a hundred times before. Read Ca$hvertising by Drew Eric Whitman. Do your own sales letter using techniques from this book which have been tried and tested for many years.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by drees5761

Big fuss over nothing. That letter is just a rehash of stuff i have seen a hundred times before. Read Ca by Drew Eric Whitman. Do your own sales letter using techniques from this book which have been tried and tested for many years.

Ca$hvertising is an excellent, excellent book!

While the principles contained within aren't new (what is?), the author puts a refreshing, updated spin on the material. The chapters on applying the tried~and~true, classic methods of sales techniques & copywriting for the internet age are worth the price of the book itself.

Admittedly, the underlying principles contained in the book go back to the great's (Hopkins, Sugarman, Cialdini, etc.), however, it, also explains the psychological reasons of WHY things work versus "just do A, B & C", which is infinitely more rewarding, IMO.

Pick up a used copy and give it a try

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RedShifted

13 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

Ca is an excellent, excellent book!

While the principles contained within aren't new (what is?), the author puts a refreshing, updated spin on the material. The chapters on applying the tried~and~true, classic methods of sales techniques & copywriting for the internet age are worth the price of the book itself.

Admittedly, the underlying principles contained in the book go back to the great's (Hopkins, Sugarman, Cialdini, etc.), however, it, also explains the psychological reasons of WHY things work versus "just do A, B & C", which is infinitely more rewarding, IMO.

Pick up a used copy and give it a try

Its funny how every single time a person I respect recommends a book on here, I immediately go and read it.

This book is incredible. I've been in marketing for 4 full months and have already 7 of the most fundamental marketing books I can read. The first one I read was "4 Hour Work Week", thats what got me into marketing. Its funny how now, I DO NOT consider that first book "fundamental" by any means.

Claude Hopkins, Dan Kennedy, Gary Halbert, Perry Marshall, John Caples, (can't remember the other ones) its THESE guys who seem like they really know their stuff. Not Timothy Freakn Ferris. He's a smart guy, but not what I need to be reading. Now I have Eric Whitman to add to the list so thank you, its immediately becoming my favorite & very well written book.

-Red

ps. This book is the BEST. The whole "stop reading here" technique, I love it. The ps technique haha. This is the type of information I genuinely enjoy, great way to spend my saturday night. I might be a loser but I'm gonna be a super wealthy loser one of these days.

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Its funny how every single time a person I respect recommends a book on here, I immediately go and read it.

This book is incredible. I've been in marketing for 4 full months and have already 7 of the most fundamental marketing books I can read. The first one I read was "4 Hour Work Week", thats what got me into marketing. Its funny how now, I DO NOT consider that first book "fundamental" by any means.

Claude Hopkins, Dan Kennedy, Gary Halbert, Perry Marshall, John Caples, (can't remember the other ones) its THESE guys who seem like they really know their stuff. Not Timothy Freakn Ferris. He's a smart guy, but not what I need to be reading. Now I have Eric Whitman to add to the list so thank you, its immediately becoming my favorite & very well written book.

-Red

ps. This book is the BEST. The whole "stop reading here" technique, I love it. The ps technique haha. This is the type of information I genuinely enjoy, great way to spend my saturday night. I might be a loser but I'm gonna be a super wealthy loser one of these days.

Red, immediately go buy "influence" by David Cialdini and I guarantee you'll love it.

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ronr 13 years ago

I agree. amazing book. Can't believe I procrastinated so long reading it until this year.

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Red, immediately go buy "influence" by David Cialdini and I guarantee you'll love it.
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ewenmack 13 years ago

Originally Posted by bob ross

Red, immediately go buy "influence" by David Cialdini and I guarantee you'll love it.

And unlike other books on business written by University scholars that sound good but don't
work in the real world, I know one of the chapters does.

It's been tested by Gary Bencivenga, who has the highest hit ratio
of direct response copywriters for the biggest mailers in the world.

Just by adding ONE word to your pitch makes all the difference,
as the photocopy story shows.

Best,
Ewen
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Excel Fields 13 years ago

For the record, the working link is the Transcript. If anyone would be so gracious as to share the .pdf (of the actual sales letter) & the mp3 it would be greatly appreciated.

I haven't frequented a lot of the discussion threads as much in the past couple of months, but it seems that i really should!
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W Wattles Fan

12 years ago

Originally Posted by The Sales Guy

Ca is an excellent, excellent book!

While the principles contained within aren't new (what is?), the author puts a refreshing, updated spin on the material. The chapters on applying the tried~and~true, classic methods of sales techniques & copywriting for the internet age are worth the price of the book itself.

Admittedly, the underlying principles contained in the book go back to the great's (Hopkins, Sugarman, Cialdini, etc.), however, it, also explains the psychological reasons of WHY things work versus "just do A, B & C", which is infinitely more rewarding, IMO.

Pick up a used copy and give it a try

I agree, Ca$hvertising is a great book. I have had mine for years and it is well thumbed.
It often makes me smile when I hit on a technique in the book and gives me a "Why didn't I think of that" moment.

Worth the small investment for sure.

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John Durham

13 years ago

Guys , not to run it into the ground but... Ari probably DOES want you to share that PDF. I could barely find a single sentence in ANY of his quotes (in the first half) that didnt say the words "my program".

Ever heard of subtlety?

I dont mind being sold, but if you let me know that you are just selling me something right in the first paragraph , but you arent 'saying it outright"... You dont gain my loyalty and admiration, before you try to close me...?

ABC I guess, but thats not a very conspicuous attempt at being covert, and totally misses the mark of being up front... so its somewhere in the middle which to me equals "Im trying to sell you through giving authoritative information, but Im too obvious, so you probably dont want to do what Im doing, because you will be too".

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kirbymarketingconcierge 13 years ago

from John D : "I dont m ind being sold, but if you let me know that you are just selling me something right in the first paragrah , but you arent 'saying it"... You dont gain my loyalty and admiration, before you try to close me...?"

Feel the same. I look to see if your interested in WIFM and a win/win.

so he would want this shared, because he benefits, and warriors can decide for themselves. IMO
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Muhammad Iqbal

13 years ago

good share....

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Instructor

13 years ago

Anyone have the mp3?

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Bruce Wedding

13 years ago

Guys, is "Influence" by David Cialdini different than, "Influence: The Psychology of Persusasion" by Dr. Robert Cialdini?

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Bruce Wedding

13 years ago

Frankly, while I appreciate the share, I'm unimpressed with the letter. I wonder if the claimed 40% response is another one of those where the sample size was too small to be significant.

I'm sure I could do much better following the Bencivenga Persuasion Equation and his 5-word formula for good advertising.