Let me be crystal clear about my offline Sales WSO

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It has come to my attention, that many of you
think that i am setting myself up to sell a
WSO on offline sales techniques.

Some of the PMs and emails have been nice about it,
and some of them have not.

Let me be crystal clear and answer this question
once and for all.

I am not now, or EVER, selling
any type of WSO about sales techniques.


I sell on the phone, and have been doing it for a long time,
when i make posts about sales, its nothing more then
my opinion on the subject, based on experience.

that's it.

In case you want to know why, a few reasons are:

A) i don't want to.

B) while i can sell my ass off, i don't have what it takes
to translate that into print well enough to help anyone.

C) There is nothing on this planet that can make me want to
whore myself or my knowledge out, for a 7.00 tell all



I hope this clears things up.
#clear #crystal #offline #sales #wso
  • Profile picture of the author David Miller
    There are some people that you can just tell sense are setting themselves up with some kind of agenda. I don't know you other than from your posts, but I just never got that feeling. Not to mention, you've certainly established your credentials long ago if your intention was to sell a WSO.

    I haven't been around here as much as I used to be, decided my time was better spent on using what I know about sales to my benefit as opposed to arguing about it here.

    I think there's a natural tendency for many people to help others when you see they are struggling. There's a lot of that in this forum.

    It's natural for someone who understands sales, and treats it as a profession, to want to jump in and help someone they see who may be going through some of the same trials by fire that we may have already dealt with.

    Likewise, it's also natural to defend our profession when some knucklehead becomes extremely derisive about sales and sales people. Then it's a few days later we see a thread from that same person trying to figure out how to find a sales person to sell for them.

    My frustration with that attitude has led me to this conclusion. If there's a question about sales and I see where I can add something of value, I'll do so. When I see a thread about another "system" that is nonsense, I'm just going to ignore it instead of getting aggravated as I used to.

    I've learned a lot from a few people in this forum and KenMicheals in particular. If you think he has an agenda, than just don't take his advice. I for one, hope he continues to share his thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Ken: Your posts are always helpful, knowledgeable and giving.

    I have not ever had any sort of impression that you had any other agenda than helping people with selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    Really I do not see the big deal at all if someone want to sell a wso, some people act like its a crime to make money.

    I tend to judge more on how much value a person provides rather than if they have something to sell. But I certainly understand a sense of agenda guys who come in here ONLY when they crank out a new WSO to sell and you never see them otherwise.

    (Then on the other side of the coin I can see the same guys thinking "Why waste my time giving answers and helping people that dont do jack with the info, If they want my advice then pay me. You still arent going to do jack with it but at least my efforts dont go in total vain.")

    2 of the most popular posts in this forum come from John Durham and Bob Ross.
    They both sell their asses off , but no one seems to care as they have also provided lots of good stuff in return.

    Truthfully if someone has tons of knowledge and know how one should HOPE they would be willing to put it in a WSO and sell for pennies on the dollar.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmckinney
    I have only seen quality comments from yourself.

    There are many serial WSO sellers, that sell offline WSO's and do not have any posts in this section.

    Go figure.

    I just bought a reputation management WSO other day (hey it was $6) and it was terrible and full of crap.

    I actually e-mailed the creator and told him to refund my $6. I never have asked for a refund, but his WSO was such garbage that I felt compelled to let him know so, and I wanted a refund.

    I mean this thing was bad. The "script" he "said" he uses to talk to clients was ridiculous. Let me give an example.

    Just tell the business owner: "We are going to increase your reviews by a factor of 5 to 10 fold!" (something like this I forget, it was just so bad I permanently blocked it from my memory, forgive me)

    What the hell does that even mean? You are really telling people that you say this and they just jump on with you as their reputation management consultant.

    Even the *bonus* forms to give business owners to have customers fill out was ridiculous. My 8 year old could have written something better, literally.

    What is worse is the "glowing reviews" from others, just because they got a review copy?

    So I guess people who know they are selling crap, just stay away from here (offline section) all together, as their are numerous intelligent Warriors here that will call bs when they see it.

    Oh, he e-mailed me back it was pretty funny, I'll quote below:


    Me to WSO guy: "This was by far one of the worst WSO's I have ever read. I have never done this before. Please refund"

    WSO guy to me: "No problem, you're always covered with a guarantee
    if it's not for you or feel more advanced for this info.

    But to send a dismissive comment like yours absolutely wasn't
    called for . So it leaves no regrets for me to part with you either.

    You've been refunded."

    Can we see the irony from the guy who claims to be a reputation management, managing companies reviews , but can't take one of his own customer reviews, and offer to make the situation better? I laughed.

    I knew going in it was going to be bad, as I called him out on his copy to a degree.



    Ryan
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    • Profile picture of the author believemarketing
      Originally Posted by ryanmckinney View Post

      I have only seen quality comments from yourself.

      There are many serial WSO sellers, that sell offline WSO's and do not have any posts in this section.

      Go figure.

      I just bought a reputation management WSO other day (hey it was $6) and it was terrible and full of crap.

      I actually e-mailed the creator and told him to refund my $6. I never have asked for a refund, but his WSO was such garbage that I felt compelled to let him know so, and I wanted a refund.

      I mean this thing was bad. The "script" he "said" he uses to talk to clients was ridiculous. Let me give an example.

      Just tell the business owner: "We are going to increase your reviews by a factor of 5 to 10 fold!" (something like this I forget, it was just so bad I permanently blocked it from my memory, forgive me)

      What the hell does that even mean? You are really telling people that you say this and they just jump on with you as their reputation management consultant.

      Even the *bonus* forms to give business owners to have customers fill out was ridiculous. My 8 year old could have written something better, literally.

      What is worse is the "glowing reviews" from others, just because they got a review copy?

      So I guess people who know they are selling crap, just stay away from here (offline section) all together, as their are numerous intelligent Warriors here that will call bs when they see it.

      Oh, he e-mailed me back it was pretty funny, I'll quote below:


      Me to WSO guy: "This was by far one of the worst WSO's I have ever read. I have never done this before. Please refund"

      WSO guy to me: "No problem, you're always covered with a guarantee
      if it's not for you or feel more advanced for this info.

      But to send a dismissive comment like yours absolutely wasn't
      called for . So it leaves no regrets for me to part with you either.

      You've been refunded."

      Can we see the irony from the guy who claims to be a reputation management, managing companies reviews , but can't take one of his own customer reviews, and offer to make the situation better? I laughed.

      I knew going in it was going to be bad, as I called him out on his copy to a degree.



      Ryan
      i like this post....
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    • Profile picture of the author TheCG
      Originally Posted by ryanmckinney View Post

      I have only seen quality comments from yourself.

      There are many serial WSO sellers, that sell offline WSO's and do not have any posts in this section.

      Go figure.

      I just bought a reputation management WSO other day (hey it was $6) and it was terrible and full of crap.

      I actually e-mailed the creator and told him to refund my $6. I never have asked for a refund, but his WSO was such garbage that I felt compelled to let him know so, and I wanted a refund.

      I mean this thing was bad. The "script" he "said" he uses to talk to clients was ridiculous. Let me give an example.

      Just tell the business owner: "We are going to increase your reviews by a factor of 5 to 10 fold!" (something like this I forget, it was just so bad I permanently blocked it from my memory, forgive me)

      What the hell does that even mean? You are really telling people that you say this and they just jump on with you as their reputation management consultant.

      Even the *bonus* forms to give business owners to have customers fill out was ridiculous. My 8 year old could have written something better, literally.

      What is worse is the "glowing reviews" from others, just because they got a review copy?

      So I guess people who know they are selling crap, just stay away from here (offline section) all together, as their are numerous intelligent Warriors here that will call bs when they see it.

      Oh, he e-mailed me back it was pretty funny, I'll quote below:


      Me to WSO guy: "This was by far one of the worst WSO's I have ever read. I have never done this before. Please refund"

      WSO guy to me: "No problem, you're always covered with a guarantee
      if it's not for you or feel more advanced for this info.

      But to send a dismissive comment like yours absolutely wasn't
      called for . So it leaves no regrets for me to part with you either.

      You've been refunded."

      Can we see the irony from the guy who claims to be a reputation management, managing companies reviews , but can't take one of his own customer reviews, and offer to make the situation better? I laughed.

      I knew going in it was going to be bad, as I called him out on his copy to a degree.



      Ryan
      I especially love the WSO sellers that like to belittle their customers if they have ANY comments other than the bogus "Atta boys" in the thread from their JV partners and friends.
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      • Profile picture of the author ryanmckinney
        Originally Posted by TheCG View Post

        I especially love the WSO sellers that like to belittle their customers if they have ANY comments other than the bogus "Atta boys" in the thread from their JV partners and friends.

        Yeah. I stayed away from WSOs for a while, it allowed me to start growing an actual business.

        I have been dabblin' my toes back in somewhat, but do not let it take away from what I do -

        It is amazing how butt-hurt some of them get, again , a guy professing to be a rep manager and to fix bad reviews, can't take a bad review for his own.

        Is this what he does with his so called "clients"? Who cares, I took that $6 and got 2 40s, hoping again to permanently erase that I ever read that crap.

        The best part: My initial, just pissed off reaction to the "terribleness" of the WSO, was a slow creeper. As soon as I read it, I told someone how bad it was. It wasn't until 2 days later, the terribleness came up subconsciously and made me even more pissed. That was when I e-mailed.

        Have you ever had something that ate at you unconsciously for 48 hours, then you just rage?

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        • Profile picture of the author David Miller
          When it comes to understanding and learning business and marketing, there are far better resources to be found with a simple search, and they are typically free.

          For meaningful advice I look into the blogs of the better known business schools. Granted, it's a lot of theory but it's easy to sort the crap from people who've never had a job (such as the current administration - but I won't go there) and those who come from the real world.

          Sales, on the other hand, is something that is always interesting and actually fun to learn about. I have no issue buying a WSO from someone who I know for a fact practices what he preaches. But nothing on earth will get me to buy a "system" that boasts some nonsense idea, usually from someone who never had a face to face meeting or placed a phone call to speak with a prospect.

          What I detest most of all, are those people who typically spend a majority of their time in other parts of the forum, than suddenly start appearing with cheery comments in these threads.

          Oddly enough, their signature often says "Watch For My New WSO"
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  • Profile picture of the author Kung Fu Backlinks
    When I was first starting out I purchased more WSOs than I care to admit.

    It's a real shame that even the worst ones in the batch get an enthusiastic thumbs up from so many.

    And you're absolutely right... you never see them here sharing their "knowledge." I wish I could name some names, but my energies are better spent elsewhere.

    Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post


    C) There is nothing on this planet that can make me want to
    whore myself or my knowledge out, for a 7.00 tell all
    Classic.
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    can I get a review copy
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  • Profile picture of the author racso316
    I gotta agree with Ryan. I mean I've bought some that it looks like they've never even talked to a business owner from the looks of their script or letter. Seriously, and then I guess have some JV friends that post glowing reviews even though the product is a joke. Live and learn I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    This is getting beyond a joke now, not Ken, but people making accusations against others, saying theyre setting up for a WSO, theyre not for real, those figures are fake etc etc

    We're all (mostly) adults and in business so can stand on our own two feet and make decisions about peoples integrity oursleves without some big nose sticking their oar in and thinking everythings down to them to sort out.
    Funny thing is, most of them you see making those accusations have their own WSOs or links in their signatures, go figure , kettle, black, pot, calling
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Oh, there's plenty of people who don't "really" participate here and when they do its because they have something coming down the pike they want to release as a WSO.

    From Ken, I just don't see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author beeswarn
    Keep posting, Ken. I enjoy reading your advice and sometimes it helps me too.
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  • Profile picture of the author FormerWageSlave
    How much will it cost?
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    grrr...

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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    The people on here are:

    A.) Wanting to learn
    B.) Wanting to presell
    C.) Wanting to help

    I never thought Ken would be setting up for some hidden agenda. You can easily read through someones post and tell what their true intentions are.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Gold
    Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post


    C) There is nothing on this planet that can make me want to
    whore myself or my knowledge out, for a 7.00 tell all
    So that's what the w in wso stands for.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanmckinney
    Agreed David.

    I have turned to reading books, on my second go around of Dan Kennedy's - The Ultimate Sales Letter.

    Read how to win friends and influence people twice now.

    Just started Chet Holmes the ultimate sales machine (suggest by mromeo, so I jumped on it).

    I'll just read and re-read and apply it the best possible way, until it is all second nature.

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