Local Directory with a Twist

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In a previous post I asked how online videos would help small businesses. I got a lot of great answers and can now see the light.

But now that light has turned into something brighter which may be a major money maker as well.

Here's the idea.

Create a local directory website....but....

.....EVERY business added to it MUST include a keyword rich article about their business, photos AND a video. Their listing would also include some sort of feedback form that would be emailed directly to the business. This feedback form could be anything depending on the business. Maybe a Quote Request or something like that. You could have it email you as well to keep track of the leads the site is producing. The listing would also provide a link back to the business owner's website.

You then do continual SEO work on it to keep it ranked high for each of the business categories. Plus, as you add more and more businesses, the site should rank high naturally as well with the keyword optimized articles and keyword optimized videos.

You would charge a set amount of money for the setup which included writing the article, taking the photos, producing the video, and building the form. Then you would charge a monthly fee to keep them on the site. You could give them 3 or 4 months free to get started....just build that into the setup fee.

The key is to make the site consistent throughout meaning that EVERY listing needs to have all four of those things mentioned above (article, photos, video and form). This will ensure that the site provides good information to the visitors about the businesses they're looking for as well as keeping the sight on the first page of Google because of the great and continuous content and built in SEO.

So that's the idea.

But....how do you kick start it?

What steps would you take from start to having at least 100 businesses listed?

Here's my thoughts.

1. Build the site using Wordpress
2. Create a media kit explaining what you're doing and how it will benefit businesses.
3. Offer 10 or 20 businesses free setups to get some content on there then charge the monthly fee after the first 3 months.
4. Send out press releases to get some buzz started
5. Start pounding the pavement signing on local businesses
6. Collect feedback or testimonials of current advertisers and create videos out of them.
7. Keep hitting the pavement signing on local businesses.
8. Hire salespeople to pound the pavement for you.

So wadda ya think? Good idea or bad idea?

Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Good idea... on number 3 I would specifically give the free listings to only the top competitors in the area to help you achieve credibility. All the smaller guys always follow the leaders, you can achieve instant credibility by association.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512 Designs
      Thanks John. That's a good idea.

      What do you (or anyone else) think the setup price and monthly fee would be for something like this? I'm sure it would be different depending on the city you're in, but some ballpark figures?

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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by 512 Designs View Post

        Thanks John. That's a good idea.

        What do you (or anyone else) think the setup price and monthly fee would be for something like this? I'm sure it would be different depending on the city you're in, but some ballpark figures?

        Mike
        You will probably get them as good of rankings as anyone else, so price is up to you.

        Some people charge $100 per month per listing and other directories charge thousands per month, with no more effectiveness in the search engines.

        Its all about how much perceived value you can build in your sales presentation via demonstrating features and benefits... and from there its how much you are brave enough to ask for.

        I use to work with a guy who consistently sold the product for 3 times what I did... and when I asked how he simply said "Because I ask for it". I tried it and it worked. Big lesson there.


        Ps I would say to research what some of these expensive directories are charging and how many customers they have, and it will build your faith as to whats possible.
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        • Profile picture of the author 512 Designs
          Originally Posted by umc View Post

          I think it is a great idea, as I've thought before of doing pretty much the same thing. Business owners love to talk about themselves, their business, etc., so giving them a place to do so in a setting like a directory is a bonus for them. Let them tell the world (or at least the locale) what they have to offer, and they'll enjoy it. I had this idea too, probably because I have my own small service businesses and it appeals to me.
          Any reason why you didn't follow through with the idea? Too busy or too many other projects?

          Originally Posted by rugman View Post

          Here is a great example of a site - found it on another post and am trying to figure out where it came form and how it was made - Montgomery Restaurants - Montgomery Restaurants is Montgomery, Alabama's premiere dining site with Montgomery Menus, Dining Guide, and much more.
          That is a great site - seems to cover all angles!
          That is a great site. I wonder if that's a Wordpress site or custom made. It's sort of the same kinda thing I had in mind but mine would have more of a variety of businesses. I wonder if having separate sites for different business types would be better? I also wonder what they charge to be listed.

          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          You will probably get them as good of rankings as anyone else, so price is up to you.

          Some people charge $100 per month per listing and other directories charge thousands per month, with no more effectiveness in the search engines.

          Its all about how much perceived value you can build in your sales presentation via demonstrating features and benefits... and from there its how much you are brave enough to ask for.

          I use to work with a guy who consistently sold the product for 3 times what I did... and when I asked how he simply said "Because I ask for it". I tried it and it worked. Big lesson there.

          Ps I would say to research what some of these expensive directories are charging and how many customers they have, and it will build your faith as to whats possible.
          Thanks John. I know there's one big site in our area that offers free listings but it's pretty weak. I'll have to see if there are any others around. I have the pricing for the ads in a local magazine that I'm doing work for so that gives me some sort of guideline.

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            Originally Posted by 512 Designs View Post

            That is a great site. I wonder if that's a Wordpress site or custom made.
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            • Profile picture of the author rugman
              Originally Posted by Aussieguy View Post

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              Yep - not sure how they work though - pretty pricey from what I see. Bunch of skins available after you buy a main site?
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          • Profile picture of the author umc
            Originally Posted by 512 Designs View Post

            Any reason why you didn't follow through with the idea? Too busy or too many other projects?
            I'm just too busy in my own service businesses. I'm out hustling all the time. Marketing isn't something I do for others, though I've been successful for my own businesses. I really have huge interest in it, did a lot back in the day for a home improvement company I worked for, and I love the energy and ideas that marketing involves, so I come here and read and get involved. I do hope to start doing some marketing for others. Well, I do some anyway for fun and to help friends with their businesses, but I'd like to maybe even focus on it someday.
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    • Profile picture of the author umc
      I think it is a great idea, as I've thought before of doing pretty much the same thing. Business owners love to talk about themselves, their business, etc., so giving them a place to do so in a setting like a directory is a bonus for them. Let them tell the world (or at least the locale) what they have to offer, and they'll enjoy it. I had this idea too, probably because I have my own small service businesses and it appeals to me.
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Good idea... on number 3 I would specifically give the free listings to only the top competitors in the area to help you achieve credibility. All the smaller guys always follow the leaders, you can achieve instant credibility by association.
      Brilliant John! This definitely reduces the lost revenue/opportunity cost of just "grabbing x customers to get content"

      @OP, I think adding videos is a tremendous add-on and will easily differentiate your directory with many competitors.
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    • Thank you for the information. I already started a Free online directory, But having a hurt time promoting it any ideas.
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    • Profile picture of the author toto83
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Good idea... on number 3 I would specifically give the free listings to only the top competitors in the area to help you achieve credibility. All the smaller guys always follow the leaders, you can achieve instant credibility by association.
      Makes sense...plus that way you gain a bit of confidence to approach the smaller businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author rugman
    Here is a great example of a site - found it on another post and am trying to figure out where it came form and how it was made - Montgomery Restaurants - Montgomery Restaurants is Montgomery, Alabama's premiere dining site with Montgomery Menus, Dining Guide, and much more.
    That is a great site - seems to cover all angles!
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  • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
    Originally Posted by 512 Designs View Post

    In a previous post I asked how online videos would help small businesses. I got a lot of great answers and can now see the light.

    But now that light has turned into something brighter which may be a major money maker as well.

    Here's the idea.

    Create a local directory website....but....

    .....EVERY business added to it MUST include a keyword rich article about their business, photos AND a video. Their listing would also include some sort of feedback form that would be emailed directly to the business. This feedback form could be anything depending on the business. Maybe a Quote Request or something like that. You could have it email you as well to keep track of the leads the site is producing. The listing would also provide a link back to the business owner's website.

    You then do continual SEO work on it to keep it ranked high for each of the business categories. Plus, as you add more and more businesses, the site should rank high naturally as well with the keyword optimized articles and keyword optimized videos.

    You would charge a set amount of money for the setup which included writing the article, taking the photos, producing the video, and building the form. Then you would charge a monthly fee to keep them on the site. You could give them 3 or 4 months free to get started....just build that into the setup fee.

    The key is to make the site consistent throughout meaning that EVERY listing needs to have all four of those things mentioned above (article, photos, video and form). This will ensure that the site provides good information to the visitors about the businesses they're looking for as well as keeping the sight on the first page of Google because of the great and continuous content and built in SEO.

    So that's the idea.

    But....how do you kick start it?

    What steps would you take from start to having at least 100 businesses listed?

    Here's my thoughts.

    1. Build the site using Wordpress
    2. Create a media kit explaining what you're doing and how it will benefit businesses.
    3. Offer 10 or 20 businesses free setups to get some content on there then charge the monthly fee after the first 3 months.
    4. Send out press releases to get some buzz started
    5. Start pounding the pavement signing on local businesses
    6. Collect feedback or testimonials of current advertisers and create videos out of them.
    7. Keep hitting the pavement signing on local businesses.
    8. Hire salespeople to pound the pavement for you.

    So wadda ya think? Good idea or bad idea?

    Mike
    Mike,

    Great idea. I say that because we are implementing it in our town. Here is what I have encountered to date. BTW, I cold call and almost always get to speak to the decision maker. I won't go into how I do it but believe me, I do.

    I'll start with turn downs. Believe it or not I've been turned down by business owners even when I tell them I am giving them one year, yep one year (we have our secret reasons) of FREE advertising. They tell me they won't be able to handle the extra business, they don't believe me, they don't advertise and a few other idiot excuses.

    I've been on the phone for over 20 years and I'm still at a loss on what to say to, or how to handle, stupid. It boggles my little Polish brain.

    I've received a bunch of yeses. So far, six have sent me their info. When I call the others, they tell me they are too busy to do it now but they will get to it. One comes to mind immediately. She owns a florist shop downtown (read high rent) and has been in business less than a year. Plus she has all of her savings tied up in the business.

    She sounds like your perfect candidate for free advertising right? Wrong. She is scattered and can't keep her s*** in one sock. Since I am in her area about once a month I stop by. Her M.O. hasn't changed.

    I tell you this because I think it important to have a perspective on free advertising as the hook and then charging them a chunk of dough. I am not saying it can't be done but I think the road isn't completely paved in this arena.

    Might be I'm going at it all wrong but how the hell can you use better bait than FREE as an enticement? In other words, if your offer actually is FREE, wow, it doesn't get any better than that according to me.

    I have two other projects in the works so I am not devoting a great deal of my time to this anymore. However, I do keep at it.

    I will send you my results as they occur. I too thought it would be a snap to pick up a ton of local biz and get a site that would produce revenue. It will (my optimisitc nature speaking) as long as I keep at it.

    Have a great day and I wish you a ton of luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author 512 Designs
      Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

      Might be I'm going at it all wrong but how the hell can you use better bait than FREE as an enticement? In other words, if your offer actually is FREE, wow, it doesn't get any better than that according to me.
      Thanks for the input and your current results. I wonder if a free year sounds like a "Too good to be true" offer. Maybe just make it free for the first 3 or 4 months.

      Also, are you just providing listings or are you trying to do what I'm talking about such as article, photos, and video? If so, do you charge a setup fee?

      Thanks again.

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        Originally Posted by 512 Designs View Post

        Thanks for the input and your current results. I wonder if a free year sounds like a "Too good to be true" offer. Maybe just make it free for the first 3 or 4 months.

        Also, are you just providing listings or are you trying to do what I'm talking about such as article, photos, and video? If so, do you charge a setup fee?

        Thanks again.

        Mike
        Mike,

        Everything but the video. That is an aspect that will be added down the road. Didn't want to scare the locals with too much. They still put their cowboy boots on one foot at a time but don't always change their socks.

        No, the one year is for only the first 12 who jump on it. The three or four month approach has about as much chance as the 12 month approach in my estimation. We figured why not give the first 12 the biggest bang for the money (free).

        We don't charge a set up fee. In fact we won't be charging a set up fee per se. It'll be in our monthly price.

        That's about it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    1. Well there is a very popular directory that does this called Rely Local. Im big fans of theirs as they have gone nation wide in less than 2.5 years and have at least 20k businesses listed.

    Let me put this in perspective, one my friend in another town over got onboard with them about 2 years ago and to date has signed up about 250 business to a $300 per year package. Its $25 per mo for an enhanced listing, they look nice and rankings are starting to pick up as the entire network is growing.

    He pays 10 percent royalties to Main Branch to use name and software. He also picks up a few hundred per mo in banner ads from advertisers.
    Now this guy works his butt off to get people, a very high percentage either advertise very little or not at all because they cant afford it and if he gets request all the time to do extra work like websites but has been so busy building his network that he cant handle them and doesnt know about outsourcing.

    You may actually want to see if your town is available as I can see this being right up your alley as a way to offer a low cost introductory service on a proven platform that is already setup to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author rugman
    I have been tossing around a similar idea for a restaurant niche. Big problem is - how do you start with an empty directory and sign other biz? Here is one idea I had instead of just giving listings away. I was going to do a contest type of promo - first I would put a few in for free (people that I know) - then contact other places offer this: 1st 12 places that send me something form their place (tee shirt or whatever) get 1 year free listing (maybe first 3 also get a mobile site?). Next 6 get 6 months free and everybody else gets 3 months free.
    Not sure if it would work but takes away that "too good to be true" thing. You could trade for gift certs also. I think most small biz understands that you would need to get the directory populated asap for it to be viable. Also - once they are on board they are more apt to buy mobile sites etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marketer Matt
      Originally Posted by 512 Designs View Post

      EVERY business added to it MUST include a keyword rich article about their business, photos AND a video
      @512 Designs I think adding these things would make your listing more valuable than most of the traditional listings out there in terms of both value to visitor and to the Search Engines.

      I think the price definitely would vary based on the location, but even more so on the perceived value. One thing that I've done is to build a local link directory as well and then add that in as a bonus. There are all kinds of other things you can use to give the whole, "But wait!! There's more!!!" feel such as SEO'ing the listing (which some directories charge for), offering a free guide to marketing their business online, offering to put them in a newsletter that goes out to all of your visitors that sign up for it etc.

      And as far as WP goes... Here are a few themes you guys can check out for local directories: Local business directories for WP
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    Sounds very valuable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luffy
    3. Offer 10 or 20 businesses free setups to get some content on there then charge the monthly fee after the first 3 months.

    I think it's not necessary yet
    first 3 month is just setup
    maybe after 6 or maybe 12

    focus not only get big list
    but also credibility and authority
    also add some benefit with SEO too
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