Stinkin' phone call work!

by xzorpl
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OK!... I contact this interested business (my 3rd with just 90 dials) who has had his second website built, it looks good, but does not even show up anywhere on the first fifteen pages of google. This bothers him and it should, but now I'm in over my head, this guy wants to be on the first page yesterday! Several of the sites in the seven pak are not optimized or even claimed so it would appear that it should be relativly easy to rank him, I just wouldn't know where to begin, how long it would take or what to charge? any help would be appreciated, this could be a biggie in launching this (my) business. Thanks F.A. Perry
#call #phone #stinkin #work
  • Profile picture of the author mojo1
    First of all congrats!

    If you could provide a little more info that would help Warriors better understand your plight. When you say he doesn't show up in the first 15 results pages, what kind of keyword phrase is he not showing up for exactly? Is it his business name or a keyword phrase he has determined converts and offers a solid roi for his business.

    This is a good place to start.
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    • Profile picture of the author xzorpl
      Originally Posted by mojo1 View Post

      First of all congrats!

      If you could provide a little more info that would help Warriors better understand your plight. When you say he doesn't show up in the first 15 results pages, what kind of keyword phrase is he not showing up for exactly? Is it his business name or a keyword phrase he has determined converts and offers a solid roi for his business.

      This is a good place to start.
      I have no idea what keyword he is ranking for. I would imagine it would be for plumber(city) etc. Whoever built his site is using his business name. Does this help? Thanls...
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    First things first...when dealing with SEO - never give them a date. You can never know what google will do tomorrow or how quickly one thing will rank from the next. You must always keep your dates flexible and never make guarantees if you are uncertain.

    Other than that, since you're just starting out, it might not hurt to offer him a deal (or freebie) in exchange for a positive testimonial and reference contact. If you can't swing that, you could consider subcontracting the SEO out to someone with more experience and serve as a broker until you secure more clients. If you don't want to do that, you can package the offer with the caveat that you won't charge him until he is on the first page of google (as an example).
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    • Profile picture of the author xzorpl
      Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

      First things first...when dealing with SEO - never give them a date. You can never know what google will do tomorrow or how quickly one thing will rank from the next. You must always keep your dates flexible and never make guarantees if you are uncertain.

      Other than that, since you're just starting out, it might not hurt to offer him a deal (or freebie) in exchange for a positive testimonial and reference contact. If you can't swing that, you could consider subcontracting the SEO out to someone with more experience and serve as a broker until you secure more clients. If you don't want to do that, you can package the offer with the caveat that you won't charge him until he is on the first page of google (as an example).
      Thanks for the response, I may have stuck my foot in my mouth believing that it could be done in 6-8 weeks. I do plan on subbing all my SEO out. My time is too valuable in the field.
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    I think the speed of SEO is certainly a misconception. Be very careful what you promise a business owner, especially one that is antsy like that. I learned long ago, antsy usually means problems into the future. This maxim has always been true for me in all businesses I have owned or worked for.
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    • Profile picture of the author globalpro
      Originally Posted by RentItNow View Post

      I think the speed of SEO is certainly a misconception. Be very careful what you promise a business owner, especially one that is antsy like that. I learned long ago, antsy usually means problems into the future. This maxim has always been true for me in all businesses I have owned or worked for.
      I agree with John on seeing the warning sign here. To even start to do business with this client, you have to establish who does what. If you are supposed to be the expert, then you have to 'explain' (tell) the owner how things will work. Otherwise they will expect you to jump every time they call.

      I always liken it to someone needing brain surgery, then going to the brain surgeon and telling them how they want it done. Best let the professionals handle it.

      Hope that helps.

      John
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  • Profile picture of the author ex9to5guy
    dont worry about it too much, especially if he is a local client. Ranking local clients is usually an easy task
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  • Profile picture of the author mojo1
    I agree with John, be very careful what you promise without first doing a few reports such as his business domain ranking and social media reports.

    If he's had a website for at least the last year, his domain should show the types of words his site rank for here: seodigger.com

    If you use this site, make sure to type the domain without the "http://www."

    I don't know why but the domain results won't show up with "http://www." or the "/" as the end of the domain.

    If his domain does not have any results this is bad news for him and great news for you

    I would also suggest you place the domains of his competitors in seodigger.com and notice the keywords that get searched the most at their respective sites. This might be a good starting point for determining the keyword you might target, of course after discussing this with your client.

    Save yourself future headaches and only offer your clients feedback after you've run a seo and/or social media report. If you don't, it's kind of like driving with your eyes closed. You've got to know or at least have good knowledge about where he currently is and what he's up against. This will help set his expectations early on.
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    • Profile picture of the author xzorpl
      Originally Posted by mojo1 View Post

      I agree with John, be very careful what you promise without first doing a few reports such as his business domain ranking and social media reports.

      If he's had a website for at least the last year, his domain should show the types of words his site rank for here: seodigger.com

      If you use this site, make sure to type the domain without the "http://www."

      I don't know why but the domain results won't show up with "http://www." or the "/" as the end of the domain.

      If his domain does not have any results this is bad news for him and great news for you


      I would also suggest you place the domains of his competitors in seodigger.com and notice the keywords that get searched the most at their respective sites. This might be a good starting point for determining the keyword you might target, of course after discussing this with your client.

      Save yourself future headaches and only offer your clients feedback after you've run a seo and/or social media report. If you don't, it's kind of like driving with your eyes closed. You've got to know or at least have good knowledge about where he currently is and what he's up against. This will help set his expectations early on.
      Would you believe me if I told you that not one of his competition in the top of the 7 pak shows up with any keywords? Neither does he!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mobile Tactics
    You can do the google places optimization, and while you are waiting for it to come up in the 7 pack, help him run an adwords campaign. You can get him a $100 credit to get started, search for info about google engage.
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  • Profile picture of the author UsmanShahid
    From my experience for a NEW site its very hard to get ranked for keywords others are actively competing on...Sites need to hit a critical mass and then get ranked for multiple keywords, can I ask either what the keyword is or how many people are searching it?
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  • Profile picture of the author MSpencer
    When dealing with SEO, never guarantee a date when your client's website will rank on the first page. This is just way too risky. Also, the difficulty of the work can depend on the keywords your client is targeting.
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  • Profile picture of the author rohiteshwar
    Congrat's for that......
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Why are you deprecating "stinkin' phone work"?

    It got you this opportunity, didn't it?

    I suggest you revisit your conception of "phone work" and change your perception. If you feel uncomfortable about calling other people, some of whom NEED your expertise right now whether they know it or not, then you need to do something about that.

    Is there something about using the phone to find business opportunities that makes you feel unethical? Did your mama say she didn't want you to be a salesperson when you grew up? Do you feel that it's rude to call people up and ask them for money in exchange for your expertise?

    Not uncommon. Also not helpful.
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    • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
      Originally Posted by kaniganj View Post

      Why are you deprecating "stinkin' phone work"?

      It got you this opportunity, didn't it?

      I suggest you revisit your conception of "phone work" and change your perception. If you feel uncomfortable about calling other people, some of whom NEED your expertise right now whether they know it or not, then you need to do something about that.

      Is there something about using the phone to find business opportunities that makes you feel unethical? Did your mama say she didn't want you to be a salesperson when you grew up? Do you feel that it's rude to call people up and ask them for money in exchange for your expertise?

      Not uncommon. Also not helpful.
      You are making an assumption.

      I agree he should change the title of the thread but it is actually ambiguous.

      Based on the title I had the same assumption until I read what he had written.

      The stinkin work appears to be this one Google Places question garnered from the phone, rather than the use of phoning itself which I was expecting.

      The question has caused him a headache he can do without. It is time consuming.

      He even starts off by saying he is getting an interested party every 30 dials.

      Dan
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  • Profile picture of the author xzorpl
    Actually , the title was suppose to read "Stinkin' phone calls work" A bit of sarcasm. I actually love the phone because it does work! F.A.
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  • Profile picture of the author xzorpl
    Would like to thank everyone for their responses, everything was helpful. F.A.
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