I could Make SIX FIGURES From An "OUT-HOUSE" - with Internet Access and A Phone.

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This is in response to another thread which didnt deserve such a story...So Im putting it here. There was a guy saying you cant make money without this and that and this and that....

First a small , un expected validation of the experience Im about to share...so you dont think its BS and can actually "get" something from this post.


Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

I remember that. Especially when you made the $14k. I believe you did that a few times over the following months.....

Here's what I need to make six figures...


A: A Phone/Maybe
B: A Computer
C: Internet Access...

I could make six figures from an OUTHOUSE if it had internet access and "maybe" a phone, and an optional $40 bucks per week to eat on for the first couple of weeks.

I would go to a dollar store, get some coffee and pastas and canned goods to last me two weeks... and sit at my computer and not get up till I had my first $1,000. If not , I would fast or call it a diet.

I dont need a hosting account...I may not even need the phone... I dont need a merchant account... if I did I could use someone elses bank and pay them a processing fee till I got on my feet.

Im talking about real world kicking ass and pulling yourself up here. Not fluffy "I wanna dress up and play businessman" theory.

What could I sell with nothing but an outhouse , internet access and a phone , that wouldnt cost me anything...?


I could resell another warriors offline services, I could "broker" a deal on something, I could write a report ans sell it as a WSO... If I didnt have money for the WF ad, I could use next weeks grocery money and replace it within days...or I could tell someone I needed help with launching fees and promise them a return to help me...

There are a TON of ways to make money without money.

Im serious... Dead serious...If I was broke and in despair tomorrow, I could dust myself off and get up without 20 bucks in my pocket and within a couple of weeks be back in business.

5 years ago I went through my second Divorce...

And I went through another rough time...My friend asked me to come to Inidana and help him save his business...So I left my cushy management Job with a great salary, and went to Indiana...After six months of trying...the ebay store was looking good and it was starting to look up but according to the government it was already too late...

I had my own little business in his building (insurance appointment setting) and 4 employees...but I was using his merchant account and it was tied to everything else... and we lost that too. In fact I had my payroll frozen and had to let all my people go because I couldnt access their pay. I borrowed some money for their last check... and let them go.

Things were about to get really rough OVERNIGHT!

We had about 60 days to get out of there with no cash flow.... All the employees were gone, the heat was gone, we couldnt access our bank accounts...Just me and him in this big cold (middle of winter) building...

We couldnt even afford to rent a truck to move his inventory out, nor another place to store it.

We set up a little apartment in there, got out the pads of paper and pens and scratched out a plan to pull ourselves out from NOTHING... within 30-45 days, using all we had available... an internet connection...

We made food money in our plan, by putting merchandise and office equipment out in front of the building each day and selling it off for cash to passersby for practically nothing.

Sometimes we ate, sometimes we didnt.

I worked that plan everyday with no HEAT in the building, comforts, or even money to eat half the time... I was tired, weak, discouraged and cold. 20 days of this, i was beginning to wonder if I would get a sale in time...It was rough.

Sure, I could have left the situation (however broke), but I didnt want to leave my friend there to fight it alone, and he needed me.

I had given up a really nice salary in Nashville to come help him, and six months later I was down to eating spaghetti out of a can with cold fingers...lol

We could see our own breath and we trodded along like that for about 30 days... We had borrowed all the money we could borrow, so we were out of options.

My friend went from being a millionaire to losing everything and eating on 20 bucks day literally OVERNIGHT. EVERYTHING WAS LOCKED!

It was during this time that I dreamed up my current business.

Im not going to look it up, but to prove this, there are four and a half year old posts here on the WF where Im actually LIVE in that situation describing how I can see my own breath...and my hands were cold...

And through perseverance, I finally sold that damn load!!!! On the internet. Wearing a coat indoors in the middle of the day everyday with freezing hands. (Thats what I remember most about it, the cold hands... ).

Next thing you know I had 14k in my pocket, Im back in my own apartment, food, money, back on my way to success... in my own home office with heat and carpet...remembering that time and thinking, "God, we can really do anything cant we...". And I also wrote to the Warrior Forum on THAT day...

Yes, I was contributing here at the WF loooong before I ever had a sig or even WANTED one...throughout all of these experiences...wasnt selling reports. In fact, just started that in the last couple of years because people kept "asking" me to....

You can do anything from almost any state of being....I DID have internet access in this case...even though not heat... but you know what?

If I hadnt even had that I would have borrowed someone elses for an hour a day and spent the opther 23 hours per day planning for that one hour, and I would have done it anyway.

Why did we stay in the building?

Because we had 60 days to clear it out or he was going to lose the inventory too, so we did internet work and alot of manual labor with no employees through whole time... I was working , stacking, packing, moving pallets around, organizing the remaining inventory... and answering Alibaba emails in between.

Oh, and praying that a sale would break through.

If I hadnt had inventory to sell... I would have found SOMETHING to sell.

You can do it. You can pull out of almost anything, and come back more successful than ever!!

Hope this inspires someone.
#figures #make
  • Profile picture of the author cosmeticsKing
    intresting story
    when i came here i was lost and broke
    i thought i try the IM trend since it was so hot but i just couldnt do it
    im an oldschool guy
    im a salesman
    imo the best is strategic partnership
    i had 2 succsess recently hope to continue the trend
    deadlines can be very motivating from my experience .
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  • Profile picture of the author rugman
    Had to hit the thanks button cause I am pretty damn close to that point!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by rugman View Post

      Had to hit the thanks button cause I am pretty damn close to that point!

      You can turn it around...If we can only "get" hungry....before we "go" hungry...Then these these things can be avoided alot of times, but when worse comes to worse, you can be staring at an empty plate in front of you...and yet "be" far far away from it in your mind, focusing on your way out and dreaming up your next dream.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
        I remember that. Especially when you made the $14k. I believe you did that a few times over the following months. The things I have forgotten that I've seen you do. If I said it once I've said it a thougsand times. Your a machine! Simple fact.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

          I remember that. Especially when you made the $14k. I believe you did that a few times over the following months. The things I have forgotten that I've seen you do. If I said it once I've said it a thougsand times. Your a machine! Simple fact.

          Thanks buddy. Didnt know you were here. Nice to see you around...

          Michael was the one I borrowed the payroll money from. lol


          Originally Posted by coldcallking View Post

          I am a successful entrepreneur but have no internet skill what so ever, most recently I have found myself in a four year business tax business that pays very well but has huge time lags, I have been in sales for 23 years now, I am only in my mid thirties but I am tired, I have the Alibaba experience and have the ability to produce any product or license most but I always find myself taking inventory.

          The short of it all is that I could really use some help from those that are knowledgeable in the internet game, with so much noise on the net I really don't know what is real and what is bull****, can some one help me out by pointing me in the right direction, I would like to know if I am going to be in this game what are some of the fundamentals that I need ? Do I need to learn how to design web pages ? SEO ? articles ? and so on ?

          I could really use some help, in return I have some great experience in cold calling and in person sales with some of the largest companies in the world and would be willing to offer up my time. Just thought I would introduce myself and see if we could trade some knowledge ?


          @ Cold call king...hang around , you will learn that you DO have what it takes, being a 23 year salesman... I would commit to a big post on this for you right now and "want to", but Im already behind on 20 others... hang around though.
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        • Profile picture of the author jideofor
          Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

          I remember that. Especially when you made the $14k. I believe you did that a few times over the following months. The things I have forgotten that I've seen you do. If I said it once I've said it a thougsand times. Your a machine! Simple fact.
          you have said it all. If there's anyone I respect so much on WF John Durham is number 1. I often take a look at his profile pic and all I see is a man ready for business anyday, anytime.

          You are an inspiration to me ,John. God bless you!
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by HaileyCarson View Post

      This can only be done by an experienced person, who knows what to do and when to do and do not waste his time in experiments. Whereas we new bies are still trying to learn and earn from other people experiences and apply them on our assignments.
      Wrong... it can be done by any person who says to themselves "God, what do I already have that I can leverage to get what I need"...There is always "something".

      It doesnt have to be tangible...

      You are saying it needs to be a person "who knows what to test from experience"... But I am saying , there are proven plans all around us...

      Heck, go to your local newspaper and ask them if you can sell door to door on commission...Cant sell? When you are hungry enough you will sell. Trust me.

      Can you mow someones lawn , give them a discount for letting you use their mower, take your 60 bucks and go buy a cheap used one to do three more jobs the next day?

      Can you walk down the road and tell 50 business owners your needs and offer to do an odd job without one compassionate person saying "yes"?

      If he likes you he/she may even dig up some work from other people for you when the odd job is done.

      Can you offer a hotel manager to clean his building in exchange for a couple of nights stay? Can you use the hotel phone to make 100 phone calls when you get a break, either telemarketing or telling people you need a job really bad?

      There is ALWAYS something we can do.

      Let's say you "dont" know anything...and you are just doing these things to get by till you can "know something":

      Can you take the three measly hours required to figure out how to use a free website builder, and learn to perform a much needed basic service?

      I did.

      I also learned to broker merchandise by myself at a kitchen table, with no teacher, only an idea, and taught myself step by step...and had a sale within weeks.

      I heard a movie say "People die lost in the woods because they are so obsessed with 'how did this happen?' or 'when is someone gonna save us?'' Instead of being obsessed with "what is the next move I can make to survive?'"

      Put me in an industry where I dont know ANYTHING and starve me for two weeks....I will figure out a way to sell their product, and so would you!
      Who would go to all these lengths?

      Answer: A person who wants to survive, and thrive, and who chooses not to be a victim.
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      • Profile picture of the author payoman
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Wrong... it can be done by any person who says to themselves "God, what do I already have that I can leverage to get what I need"...There is always "something".

        It doesnt have to be tangible...

        You are saying it needs to be a person "who knows what to test from experience"... But I am saying , there are proven plans all around us...

        Heck, go to your local newspaper and ask them if you can sell door to door on commission...Cant sell? When you are hungry enough you will sell. Trust me.

        Can you mow someones lawn , give them a discount for letting you use their mower, take your 60 bucks and go buy a cheap used one to do three more jobs the next day?

        Can you walk down the road and tell 50 business owners your needs and offer to do an odd job without one compassionate person saying "yes"?

        If he likes you he/she may even dig up some work from other people for you when the odd job is done.

        Can you offer a hotel manager to clean his building in exchange for a couple of nights stay? Can you use the hotel phone to make 100 phone calls when you get a break, either telemarketing or telling people you need a job really bad?

        There is ALWAYS something we can do.

        Let's say you "dont" know anything...and you are just doing these things to get by till you can "know something":

        Can you take the three measly hours required to figure out how to use a free website builder, and learn to perform a much needed basic service?

        I did.

        I also learned to broker merchandise by myself at a kitchen table, with no teacher, only an idea, and taught myself step by step...and had a sale within weeks.

        I heard a movie say "People die lost in the woods because they are so obsessed with 'how did this happen?' or 'when is someone gonna save us?'' Instead of being obsessed with "what is the next move I can make to survive?'"

        Put me in an industry where I dont know ANYTHING and starve me for two weeks....I will figure out a way to sell their product, and so would you!
        Who would go to all these lengths?

        Answer: A person who wants to survive, and thrive, and who chooses not to be a victim.
        This post right here has inspired me to create a massive report of ways to make money right now. Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by payoman View Post

          This post right here has inspired me to create a massive report of ways to make money right now. Thanks.

          Go on with your bad self brother!
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    • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
      Originally Posted by HaileyCarson View Post

      This can only be done by an experienced person, who knows what to do and when to do and do not waste his time in experiments. Whereas we new bies are still trying to learn and earn from other people experiences and apply them on our assignments.
      I agree with that, it is really a nice story but this is not something newbies can do, they can't make money online because they don't know how to.... Its very easy to say go to your local newspaper and ask if you can sell it... why not get a normal job?

      making money online... is not that easy, and newbies who are in that situation need to get a freaking job... they have no business trying to do stuff on the internet...
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        • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
          YGM

          The thread isn't about making money online.

          The thread is about how anyone can make money if they really have to and want to.

          It doesn't matter what you do, but do something.

          Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        I agree with that, it is really a nice story but this is not something newbies can do, they can't make money online because they don't know how to.... Its very easy to say go to your local newspaper and ask if you can sell it... why not get a normal job?

        making money online... is not that easy, and newbies who are in that situation need to get a freaking job... they have no business trying to do stuff on the internet...
        Read Quote below:

        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        Can you take the three measly hours required to figure out how to use a free website builder, and learn to perform a much needed basic service?

        I did.

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        In fact I sold websites before I even had a home computer, reading a pitch off a peice of paper that I didnt even understand. It's a fact, sorry if it makes you mad.

        When I figured out that people would buy websites from that pitch, I spent a few days learning how to make one with a drag and drop prgram, and went out and sold them for myself,.

        Alot of people are too cushy for that kind of a crude beginning.

        "Show me a man who is afraid to fail and I will show you one who will never succeed" -Anonymous
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        • Profile picture of the author simranjeet singh
          Thanks John for useful stuff!
          Its important to do something, not to do nothing. First step may not make huge money but it open a way to make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author MonteMichaels
      Originally Posted by HaileyCarson View Post

      This can only be done by an experienced person, who knows what to do and when to do and do not waste his time in experiments. Whereas we new bies are still trying to learn and earn from other people experiences and apply them on our assignments.
      When do you think that you will have enough experience to get out there and make some money?

      Actually how would you be able to get any experience if you are not taking action. You can read the forums, books, WSOs, whatever, but if you are not willing to get up and do something with yourself, then you will never have the experience to do anything.

      Just recently one of my best friends was laid off from a factory job he had since he was out of high school. He was paid pretty decent, and had quite a bit of experience as a machine operator. That did not matter as he was laid off anyway. He got depressed trying to find a job because the factories were hiring people for less than he was making on unemployment.

      Now to make a long story short, I taught him how to sell offline services to businesses. He barely knows anything about marketing, except that they interrupt football games, and knows even less about online services. He outsources everything that he does, except for sales, and is making more money than he had ever made in his life.

      Experience doesn't matter much if you don't do anything to get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author agonce
    I nominate the above post for post of the year
    That is the path to success, like it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author racso316
    damn John way to light a fire under my ass. Thanks

    "Anything the mind can conceive and believe, it can achieve." Mr. Hill
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    • Profile picture of the author RyanLester
      With all of this information being thrown here, many readers will still not take any action. the key is to take action!

      Thanks John for your valuable input to the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    I read that quote and i can't disagree more then i do right now, you don't learn as a n00b in three hours how to use a free website platform, i am coaching a girlfriend of mine who isn't the dumbest person on this planet but even she, with my help, took way more then three hours to learn all this stuff and make the first income....

    Again if you're in such a situation like you described you should be getting a "real" job instead of messing around with stuff that you don't understand.

    You probably have good selling skills 90% of the population doesn't, what is easy for you becauase you know all this stuff, is tough on a lot of other people, (especially when it comes to sales), and no matter how dedicated they are, or how many times they take action it will not work that way...

    If people need money to pay the rent they need to get a JOB IMHO and not mess around with internet stuff they ain't capable of...
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      I read that quote and i can't disagree more then i do right now, you don't learn as a n00b in three hours how to use a free website platform, i am coaching a girlfriend of mine who isn't the dumbest person on this planet but even she, with my help, took way more then three hours to learn all this stuff and make the first income....

      Again if you're in such a situation like you described you should be getting a "real" job instead of messing around with stuff that you don't understand.

      You probably have good selling skills 90% of the population doesn't, what is easy for you becauase you know all this stuff, is tough on a lot of other people, (especially when it comes to sales), and no matter how dedicated they are, or how many times they take action it will not work that way...

      If people need money to pay the rent they need to get a JOB IMHO and not mess around with internet stuff they ain't capable of...

      Okay, you are nit picking and missing the "point"... I feel like calling you an idiot right now, but I know its just me and not you... The "point" is that "you can always find a way."

      You arent getting the "point" and taking things out of context and diluting the meaning.... who cares if its four hours or 5-6 hours... or 3 hours, sure people are gonna learn at different rates... but within DAYS lets say (if that helps you out, because I can see you need asistance getting past this) you can learn a drag and drop program...

      There are people all over this forum who will tell you that , even if you suck, by dialing numbers you will get a sale...".

      The question is "are you willing to let go of your preconcieved notions of 'lacking' what you need to get things done...are you willing to embrace the idea that everything you need is there and all you have to do is act on all the opportunity around you"?

      Thats the "Point"... Heck if you nit pic like this teaching your girlfriend, no wonder its taking her 20 years to build a website...just let her build a rough one and get her feet wet and feel good about accomplishing something...then she will have the confidence to learn the rest as she goes along...

      So many people wont start acting until things are perfect...and that can take along time...I made thousands of dollars before my web skills were perfect and they still arent.

      Furthermore, one can always sell another warriors services... IAMNAMELES is offering jobs to people here to do appointment setting and selling his web services... Now that I said that NOT ONE PERSON READING THIS THREAD has a lack of opportunity, if they are willing to not be a victim.

      Including your girlfriend.

      People thinking they need to be experienced to sell is what keeps them ignorant and inexperienced. 50% of the theories in your head about sales, which cause fear, which causes "not doing it"... arent even true in reality, even though they make sense in the thought process.

      If she was broke tomorrow, she could come here, get his script, start reading it to people and make some money. WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO AGREE THAT IT WORKS, IT WOULD STILL WORK FOR HER!

      Sorry if Im getting irritated here... I have had so many employees over time that sit there like victims...with the "we needs", and the "bad leads", and the "what ifs..", while others were succeeding with crude tools all around them." and you want to say "Just dial man and you will find out for yourself...or dont, and fail in your what ifs...".
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      • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
        Well mr Durham i don't agree.. there are things you need to learn first, you're not going to put someone in a airplane that doesn't know how to fly?

        And that is the same with sales, people need to learn how to sell that is why they have invented businesses schools with marketing and sales classes, are you saying that people should not learn first... or am i nit picking again?

        If you sent out people that have no education or no skills in sales to go and cold call you will burn them up to the ground, because it is though... there is a reason why so much people hate cold calling or sales in general, because it is though,,, i have my own system just to get around cold calling, not that i am afraid of calling ( i have done my share to build up my business) but i hate it with a passion and i know what i am getting myself into...

        These n00bs don't, when they ever get the nerve to pick up the phone and call they will be devastated after a hour of calling, i know when i started calling that i learned that business people are very rude and this will be really hard on n00bs, they have to learn how to deal with that and that is something the most of them will not do in e couple of weeks.

        And you can pull out all the Tony Robbins crap like if you really want it you can do it, and your the master of your ow life you want, but still people need to learn how to sell on the phone or in real life or they will be ending up in a death end job or welfare, selling stuff (any stuff) is not for everyone.

        Dave



        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Okay, you are nit picking and missing the "point"... I feel like calling you an idiot right now, but I know its just me and not you... The "point" is that "you can always find a way."

        You arent getting the "point" and taking things out of context and diluting the meaning.... who cares if its four hours or 5-6 hours... or 3 hours, sure people are gonna learn at different rates... but within DAYS lets say (if that helps you out, because I can see you need asistance getting past this) you can learn a drag and drop program...

        There are people all over this forum who will tell you that , even if you suck, by dialing numbers you will get a sale...".

        The question is "are you willing to let go of your preconcieved notions of 'lacking' what you need to get things done...are you willing to embrace the idea that everything you need is there and all you have to do is act on all the opportunity around you"?

        Thats the "Point"... Heck if you nit pic like this teaching your girlfriend, no wonder its taking her 20 years to build a website...just let her build a rough one and get her feet wet and feel good about accomplishing something...then she will have the confidence to learn the rest as she goes along...

        So many people wont start acting until things are perfect...and that can take along time...I made thousands of dollars before my web skills were perfect and they still arent.

        Not to be rude but with YOUR thinking... I can make ten moves before you make one...

        While you are nit picking the deep meaning of out of context words and sentences... I am making ten actual POINTS, that an average person wont get hung up on like you have here.

        Furthermore, one can always sell another warriors services... IAMNAMELES is offering jobs to people here to do appointment setting and selling his web services... Now that I said that NOT ONE PERSON READING THIS THREAD has a lack of opportunity, if they are willing to not be a victim.

        Including your girlfriend.

        People thinking they need to be experienced to sell is what keeps them ignorant and inexperienced. 50% of the theories in your head about sales, which cause fear, which causes "not doing it"... arent even true in reality, even though they make sense in the thought process.

        If she was broke tomorrow, she could come here, get his script, start reading it to people and make some money. WITHOUT YOU HAVING TO AGREE THAT IT WORKS, IT WOULD STILL WORK FOR HER!

        Sorry if Im getting irritated here... I have had so many employees over time that sit there like victims...with the "we needs", and the "bad leads", and the "what ifs..", while others were succeeding with crude tools all around them." and you want to say "Just dial man and you will find out for yourself...or dont, and fail in your what ifs...".
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        • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
          Dave,

          One thing about actually doing something, even if you know nothing about it, is that you learn by doing it. Yes, there is a place for formal learning but the best teaching tool is experience.

          Di

          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          And you can pull out all the Tony Robbins crap like if you really want it you can do it, and your the master of your ow life you want, but still people need to learn how to sell on the phone or in real life or they will be ending up in a death end job or welfare, selling stuff (any stuff) is not for everyone.

          Dave
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        • Profile picture of the author ShayB
          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          Well mr Durham i don't agree.. there are things you need to learn first, you're not going to put someone in a airplane that doesn't know how to fly?

          And that is the same with sales, people need to learn how to sell that is why they have invented businesses schools with marketing and sales classes, are you saying that people should not learn first... or am i nit picking again?

          If you sent out people that have no education or no skills in sales to go and cold call you will burn them up to the ground, because it is though... there is a reason why so much people hate cold calling or sales in general, because it is though,,, i have my own system just to get around cold calling, not that i am afraid of calling ( i have done my share to build up my business) but i hate it with a passion and i know what i am getting myself into...

          These n00bs don't, when they ever get the nerve to pick up the phone and call they will be devastated after a hour of calling, i know when i started calling that i learned that business people are very rude and this will be really hard on n00bs, they have to learn how to deal with that and that is something the most of them will not do in e couple of weeks.

          And you can pull out all the Tony Robbins crap like if you really want it you can do it, and your the master of your ow life you want, but still people need to learn how to sell on the phone or in real life or they will be ending up in a death end job or welfare, selling stuff (any stuff) is not for everyone.

          Dave
          So, according to you, I need a biz degree in order to sell? Or classes or whatever?

          Bullsh**.

          If someone has no clue how to sell, it's as simple as picking up a book by one of the Masters (I'm fond of Zig Ziglar and Jeffrey Gitomer, myself) or finding others to help them along.

          Then they have to GET OUT AND SELL.

          They can get all the "book learnin'" they want. Until/Unless they get out in the trenches and take action, it won't mean a thing.

          I'll put my experience up against a degree any day of the week.

          Last point: If you're hungry enough, a few irate biz people won't stop you.
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          • Profile picture of the author HypeText
            Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

            So, according to you, I need a biz degree in order to sell? Or classes or whatever?

            Bullsh**.

            If someone has no clue how to sell, it's as simple as picking up a book by one of the Masters (I'm fond of Zig Ziglar and Jeffrey Gitomer, myself) or finding others to help them along.

            Then they have to GET OUT AND SELL.

            They can get all the "book learnin'" they want. Until/Unless they get out in the trenches and take action, it won't mean a thing.

            I'll put my experience up against a degree any day of the week.

            Last point: If you're hungry enough, a few irate biz people won't stop you.
            What is that? the 287th Ferengi Rule of Acquisition? LMAO

            Sorry...seeing as you seem to be a Trekkie I am figuring you will appreciate the humor...
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            • Profile picture of the author ShayB
              Originally Posted by HypeText View Post

              What is that? the 287th Ferengi Rule of Acquisition? LMAO

              Sorry...seeing as you seem to be a Trekkie I am figuring you will appreciate the humor...
              It's #289 - but you were close!
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              • Profile picture of the author HypeText
                Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

                It's #289 - but you were close!
                I dunno...there are only 286 that I know of! lol
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                • Profile picture of the author ShayB
                  Originally Posted by HypeText View Post

                  I dunno...there are only 286 that I know of! lol
                  I added more!

                  (Okay, sorry to derail the thread....back to topic! )
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        • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          Well mr Durham i don't agree.. there are things you need to learn first, you're not going to put someone in a airplane that doesn't know how to fly?

          And that is the same with sales, people need to learn how to sell that is why they have invented businesses schools with marketing and sales classes, are you saying that people should not learn first... or am i nit picking again?

          If you sent out people that have no education or no skills in sales to go and cold call you will burn them up to the ground, because it is though... there is a reason why so much people hate cold calling or sales in general, because it is though,,, i have my own system just to get around cold calling, not that i am afraid of calling ( i have done my share to build up my business) but i hate it with a passion and i know what i am getting myself into...

          These n00bs don't, when they ever get the nerve to pick up the phone and call they will be devastated after a hour of calling, i know when i started calling that i learned that business people are very rude and this will be really hard on n00bs, they have to learn how to deal with that and that is something the most of them will not do in e couple of weeks.

          And you can pull out all the Tony Robbins crap like if you really want it you can do it, and your the master of your ow life you want, but still people need to learn how to sell on the phone or in real life or they will be ending up in a death end job or welfare, selling stuff (any stuff) is not for everyone.

          Dave

          I couldn't resist. My friend, I am a well paid sales trainer. That being said, let me say this, john is right and so are you. You need to accept that your way is not the only way. John is not saying his way is the only way he is saying its a way. There is not a right and wrong person here there is only relative.

          However, as a trainer I need for you to rub up against all my prospects and give them your outlook on training.
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        • Profile picture of the author boatree
          Dave,

          I disagree with your "you can't throw people in the deep end because they don't have the skills" viewpoint.

          One of my first jobs was at a telemarketing company who specialised in generating appointments for the sales guys.

          Everyone who walked into the door practically had no cold calling sales experience and the training program offered by the company was BASIC (you can find more helpful information on the WF).

          By making the calls people were able to adjust and learn as they went on.



          Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

          Well mr Durham i don't agree.. there are things you need to learn first, you're not going to put someone in a airplane that doesn't know how to fly?

          And that is the same with sales, people need to learn how to sell that is why they have invented businesses schools with marketing and sales classes, are you saying that people should not learn first... or am i nit picking again?

          If you sent out people that have no education or no skills in sales to go and cold call you will burn them up to the ground, because it is though... there is a reason why so much people hate cold calling or sales in general, because it is though,,, i have my own system just to get around cold calling, not that i am afraid of calling ( i have done my share to build up my business) but i hate it with a passion and i know what i am getting myself into...

          These n00bs don't, when they ever get the nerve to pick up the phone and call they will be devastated after a hour of calling, i know when i started calling that i learned that business people are very rude and this will be really hard on n00bs, they have to learn how to deal with that and that is something the most of them will not do in e couple of weeks.

          And you can pull out all the Tony Robbins crap like if you really want it you can do it, and your the master of your ow life you want, but still people need to learn how to sell on the phone or in real life or they will be ending up in a death end job or welfare, selling stuff (any stuff) is not for everyone.

          Dave
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by boatree View Post


            Everyone who walked into the door practically had no cold calling sales experience and the training program offered by the company was BASIC (you can find more helpful information on the WF).

            By making the calls people were able to adjust and learn as they went on.
            Thank you! They do not generally get the kind of hand holding people get here for sure.

            What they DO get is the benefit of having a peer group around them and a boss looking over their shoulder.

            Pressure works wonders.
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            • Profile picture of the author boatree
              John, no need for thanks as it is what it is!

              I think Dave's opinion has probably something to do with his own complexes around cold calling and/or perhaps he had a hard time getting started. It's understandable I suppose as his own experiences dictate his reality.

              I agree with his point that "sales is a skill you need to hone over time" as there are great salesmen and no so great ones.

              With cold calling however, you can be quite shit at it but will still have success if you make the calls. With enough calls, you will eventually find somebody who will need your service there and then.

              I think one of the key challenges with cold calling is to get people to consistently pick up the phone and make the calls. If someone is in a desperate situation, they will be inclined to make the 100 extra calls for the day, and have more success as a result.


              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              Thank you! They do not generally get the kind of hand holding people get here for sure.

              What they DO get is the benefit of having a peer group around them and a boss looking over their shoulder.

              Pressure works wonders.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tjpiper
                Thanks for sharing some of your experiences and motivation in this thread! I have been in similar situations and have found some way to make it through. It has never been easy and may never be easy, but there is always a way out. There are always options even when you have "nothing".

                Hearing stories like yours have helped me through some of the tough times because I knew that if someone else could do it, then I sure could!

                Thanks again!
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  • Profile picture of the author piermichel
    Making quick money online does not exist, it takes time and effort plus you need to be constistent in what you are doing by taking massive action. But that was a very interesting story.
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    • Profile picture of the author MonteMichaels
      Originally Posted by piermichel View Post

      Making quick money online does not exist, it takes time and effort plus you need to be constistent in what you are doing by taking massive action. But that was a very interesting story.
      I don't think John was talking about making money quickly without working for it. If you are really reading his post, he was saying that he wasn't coming out of his outhouse until he made money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Parkhouse
    Great post John!

    Both Amazon and Apple started out in a garage. Enough said.
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  • Profile picture of the author believemarketing
    totally agree... people need to have a mindset that they are totally broke to actually make something happen (hard to do unless really experiencing it)...

    it is when you are down to nothing when your mind is 'activated' .... this is where you choose for yourself to: 1. borrow from family/friend. 2. rob a bank. 3. be on the street begging. 4. get very creative and do something that may unleash your breakthrough....
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    • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
      Originally Posted by believemarketing View Post

      totally agree... people need to have a mindset that they are totally broke to actually make something happen (hard to do unless really experiencing it)...

      it is when you are down to nothing when your mind is 'activated' .... this is where you choose for yourself to: 1. borrow from family/friend. 2. rob a bank. 3. be on the street begging. 4. get very creative and do something that may unleash your breakthrough....
      Fear of hunger is a great motivator... being down to my last $200 after moving overseas was the spark that took me to $1000 days! A couple of years ago my son called during a big blizzard in Maine. I was at the beach in Queensland Australia at the time and he started to hint around that he needed money. Told me his roof was about to cave in from the weight of the snow and him and a friend were going to clear it before it got any worse. I told him to grab a pen and paper and over the phone quickly helped him to sketch out a flyer offering a service to clear snow from peoples roofs.

      Two days later he called back all excited. The first 5 homes he called on said no. Then bingo... a $200 job that only took an hour to clear. He used that money to purchase a few more shovels and some rope and hired a few of his friends to do the work while he continued to post flyers and knock on doors.

      Made $3200 that week.

      If I had just wired him some money he would have just stayed home and had a party. Instead... he got over his fear of making cold calls both in person and over the phone and it taught him that he can always find something profitable to sell.

      I remember my first day of posting flyers on doors back in 1996 for www.AddressAmerica.com made $310 the next day and never had to knock on a single door or speak to anyone to do it.

      If you can overcome your fear of rejection there are hundreds of things, products or services you can put together and sell by cold calling or do like my son did and do the easy part (making the cold calls) and outsource the service to those who are to scared to get off their butts and sell.

      Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    While I agree, that, in a situation of survival, most people are not going to take the time to learn something new in an effort to feed and cloth themselves...instead, they are going to do something that they can apply immediately, without thought - such as physical labor.

    However, I also agree with John, in that, if you really want to learn something...if you NEED to, you will. Just do it. People are capable of great things.

    Most people fail because they don't take action. They think too much. They figure out all of the ways that they might fail, before they even try.

    When the act of learning something truly becomes a necessity, you don't have time to think about failure. Fear of failure doesn't exist. Survival mode carries a different mindset. It's all psychological. For most people, it takes great discipline to overcome the psychological roadblocks that prohibit us from taking physical action.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    To quote eminem from the song Lose Yourself


    "Success is my only motherf***ing option, failure's not"

    "Feet fail me not, this may be the only opportunity that I got"

    That might seem off topic, but its really not.

    that is really what your post says to me, and i hope people take it in the context
    it was meant.

    You can do anything and be successful, you just gotta do it
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    • Profile picture of the author WebDiva7
      To quote eminem from the song Lose Yourself


      "Success is my only motherf***ing option, failure's not"

      "Feet fail me not, this may be the only opportunity that I got"

      This is my theme song. I put this on blast a lot of mornings to remind me to shake off yesterday's rejection and start again.
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    John, I think it is the Forrest Gump syndrome you are describing (almost). To dumb to know you cant do it...so you do it.

    I have hit bottom so many times and had every family member tell me to get a real job and leave the scams alone and yet each time, I guess I'm too dumb to know it cant be done because I constantly amaze them when I do it!

    I have had so many exciting life experiences and made plenty of money from that "20 seconds of insane courage" that literally 99% of people will never see. We Bought A Zoo - 20 Seconds of Courage - YouTube

    I've met movie stars living in Hollywood, made over 100K/yr on a job I was never supposed to be qualified for, wrote 5 published books...married the girl of my dreams from the attitude you mentioned....works
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    • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
      Originally Posted by RentItNow View Post

      I have hit bottom so many times and had every family member tell me to get a real job and leave the scams alone and yet each time, I guess I'm too dumb to know it cant be done because I constantly amaze them when I do it!
      #1 Congrats on all your successes
      #2 Now learn to manage your money & cashflow and you will be free for life. Instead of doing that rollercoaster ride from top to bottom, you'll be doing it for fun. Just a thought...
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      • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
        Originally Posted by Jay Rhome View Post

        #1 Congrats on all your successes
        #2 Now learn to manage your money & cashflow and you will be free for life. Instead of doing that rollercoaster ride from top to bottom, you'll be doing it for fun. Just a thought...
        Very true! One thing I did learn the last down cycle was that even though you think you are OK forever financially, it is always the things you are never going to see (or think could happen) that knock you down. I did learn the lesson you are speaking of that last cycle which makes it a bit easier into the future.

        One very important lesson I also learned was to listen to the advise of the ones that have actually been successful and stayed successful through ALL bad times. Even though, at the time, you may think they are a bunch of rich old farts that don't know crap about our times, they certainly knew enough to get to the level they are at now. So many lessons I learned from people I have encountered and wish I would not have said at the time to myself, "What the heck is this guy talking about?"
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Funny John, my first report start with "If you can make money without a job, then everyone in your life is going to think you are a genius". Its true.

    Sounds like you and I have had similar paths. I'd love to hear more of your stories.

    Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

    They think too much. They figure out all of the ways that they might fail, before they even try.
    Exactly

    Passion and reason are both good , but this is why you have to marry them and not let one control the other...you can reason yourself out of the best opportunities where you may have excelled...so a bit of following your passion is good too, and letting it smack your reason around a little...

    My reason says I cant pick up the front end of a car, but if my grandson was under one, my passion would say "step aside reason".

    Passion has tricks that the "reason" is totally oblivious to, and cant even fathom.

    Look at how America became a country...totally unreasonable to think it would have been possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Jay, I think he and I both may suffer from whats called the "hero's journey"... We accomplish things like "becoming a Nashville songwriter", that no one would believe were ever even possible, or selling 20,000 websites in one year...then fall...because we want to be our own hero again.

    That may not really be true, but I read it once and thought "Is that me"?

    Its no fun to do things that dont blow peoples minds... I like to do impossible things...once they become status quo I want to go do something else thats impossible.

    I didnt have to be in Indiana, people were offering me telemarketing management jobs, or I could easily have went back to my old one... But somehow I had to do this (Above).
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    • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
      John, I often tell my wife that I hate that inside me (that unending drive) but she says no way, it's what everyone loves about you! I still say it's stupidity or insanity! I just love proving people's preconceived notions wrong! And I know, it is usually fear that holds most people back from achieving their goals and dreams. And I also know sometimes you have to stop and have a reality check...I'm learning!

      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Jay, I think he and I both may suffer from whats called the "hero's journey"... We accomplish things like "becoming a Nashville songwriter", that no one would believe were ever even possible, or selling 20,000 websites in one year...then fall...because we want to be our own hero again.

      That may not really be true, but I read it once and thought "Is that me"?

      Its no fun to do things that dont blow peoples minds... I like to do impossible things...once they become status quo I want to go do something else thats impossible.

      Wish that werent the case... need to work on that.

      I didnt have to be in Indiana, people were offering me telemarketing management jobs, or I could easily have went back to my old one... But somehow I had to do this (Above).
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    John , I dont think either one of us would trade our experience for a pension. lol I love being me, even though it gets me in hot water sometimes...like you with Hollywood...I have seen things that alot of [people never get to see and have perspectives that one couldnt have by playing it safe all the time.


    It would be good to add a little jay rhome into the mix though!

    Marrying a tad more reason to the passion...

    I always have a company president when i do something big, because i like to be on fire, not tied down to admin stuff and maintainance.

    Ps. Believe it or not, the situation in the OP was very passionate and driving for me. The discomfort was fueling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yawg Dawg
    John,,,,,,I really like your style and how you tell it like it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author believemarketing
    While were at it... heres the lyric...


    Look, if you had one shot, or one opportunity
    To seize everything you ever wanted in one moment
    Would you capture it or just let it slip?
    Yo

    His palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy
    There's vomit on his sweater already, mom's spaghetti
    He's nervous, but on the surface he looks calm and ready to drop bombs,
    but he keeps on forgetting what he wrote down,
    the whole crowd goes so loud
    He opens his mouth, but the words won't come out
    He's choking how, everybody's joking now
    The clock's run out, time's up over, bloah!
    Snap back to reality, Oh there goes gravity
    Oh, there goes Rabbit, he choked
    He's so mad, but he won't give up that
    Easy, no
    He won't have it , he knows his whole back's to these ropes
    It don't matter, he's dope
    He knows that, but he's broke
    He's so stagnant he knows
    When he goes back to his mobile home, that's when it's
    Back to the lab again, yo
    This whole rhapsody
    He better go capture this moment and hope it don't pass him

    [Hook:]
    You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
    You own it, you better never let it go
    You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
    This opportunity comes once in a lifetime yo
    (You better)

    The soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
    This world is mine for the taking
    Make me king, as we move toward a new world order
    A normal life is boring, but superstardom's close to post mortem
    It only grows harder, only grows hotter
    He blows us all over these hoes is all on him
    Coast to coast shows, he's known as the globetrotter
    Lonely roads, God only knows
    He's grown farther from home, he's no father
    He goes home and barely knows his own daughter
    But hold your nose 'cause here goes the cold water
    His hoes don't want him no more, he's cold product
    They moved on to the next schmoe who flows
    He nose dove and sold nada
    So the soap opera is told and unfolds
    I suppose it's old partner but the beat goes on
    Da da dum da dum da da

    [Hook]

    No more games, I'ma change what you call rage
    Tear this mother****ing roof off like 2 dogs caged
    I was playing in the beginning, the mood all changed
    I've been chewed up and spit out and booed off stage
    But I kept rhyming and stepped right into the next cypher
    Best believe somebody's paying the pied piper
    All the pain inside amplified by the fact
    That I can't get by with my 9 to 5
    And I can't provide the right type of life for my family
    Cause man, these goddamn food stamps don't buy diapers
    And it's no movie, there's no Mekhi Phifer, this is my life
    And these times are so hard, and it's getting even harder
    Trying to feed and water my seed, plus
    Teeter totter caught up between being a father and a prima donna
    Baby mama drama's screaming on and
    Too much for me to wanna
    Stay in one spot, another day of monotony
    Has gotten me to the point, I'm like a snail
    I've got to formulate a plot or I end up in jail or shot
    Success is my only mother****ing option, failure's not
    Mom, I love you, but this trailer's got to go
    I cannot grow old in Salem's lot
    So here I go it's my shot.
    Feet fail me not, this may be the only opportunity that I got

    [Hook]

    You can do anything you set your mind to, man
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  • Profile picture of the author believemarketing
    indeed... the mind is very powerful... we either can or cant... both options work ..

    life is tough... not so long ago i did not eat for 14 days... only problem was i didn't even plan for fasting

    I don't want to go back to that period again, but hard times are good for learning process...
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    I know Hard Times, he is the reason I have such a hard time eating ramen noodles now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kunle Olomofe
    Safe to say.... we've probably ALL been there... I know I have too--many, many times... or we wouldn't BE here now... doing something I believe a great majority of people in the world consider to be one of the world's least understood ways to make a living.

    But I have a counter-challenge for you John.

    How about this... and believe me the following does and has happened to some...

    Making "ENOUGH" FIGURES (SIX is nice, but frankly, a regular comfortable income is great too--for starters in any case) WITHOUT a roof over your head, NO internet access of your own, no phone, no food, no money...

    Here's my own simple step plan (and one I have used successfully in the past)...

    (While I have always been lucky to have a roof over my head, I have had times when there was NOTHING else BUT the roof, and this is what I did and that I believe others can do too)...

    1. Pray. Serious. If you're someone who believes in that kind of stuff. I believe it helps.

    2. If you wish to skip no. 1, then try this... BELIEVE. It is the first and ONLY way to achieve ANYTHING. ANYTHING. ANYTHING. Did I say ANYTHING already?

    3. Make a SERIOUS DOABLE plan. Without a plan you're NOT going to get out of any mess easily if at all--the latter will happen ONLY if you're one those darn lucky guys or gals--you know the type--if you're NOT one of those... Sit your butt down, and MAKE A DOABLE PLAN.

    4. Get up off your butt at this point and FOLLOW THAT PLAN.

    I'll even do you one better, I'll share a plan very similar to one I used once to get out of being broke and virtually hopeless...

    THE PLAN...

    Here's what you can do if you're totally cash broke. Have no roof, no computer, talk much less of Internet access, no money, nothing. Not even the first, second or third meal of the day like most folks get...

    1. Visit the busiest, most middle class part of your city where there are many shop or business owners...

    2. Offer to build a CHEAPO ONE PAGE WEB SITE for them IN 24 HOURS or NO CHARGE.

    3. Charge them just 20 bucks--it's a special you're offering to get folks who have NO web presence to go ahead and get this thing done once and for all AND get your own small business up and running.

    4. Only catch--you gotta be paid half upfront and half when you come back. Some will say NO. Some will say what the heck... it's just 10 bucks. Trust me, there are people out there who give money to people they have never seen and have no way of knowing if they will ever see again, your job is to make sure their faith in humanity stays positive AND show up again, and with the goods as promised.

    5. Get their details down in a notebook or a sheet of paper (better to go with a notebook but we're assuming you have NO money here, so you can actually get the paper from them). Get all the info you possibly can that will fit on one page... about them, some product/service info, contact info, etc. You can get free stock images off the web for them as well as create a simple NAME logo with free web tools. If they are really helpful, give them an email address they should send their logo to within at least the next one hour after you leave their shop/office--so that you can keep your word and be back with their site in 24 hours.

    5. Take their 10 bucks. Get online at an internet cafe for a buck an hour. Google FREE web site builder or FREE web site, FREE hosting, or whatever the keywords are these days

    6. Knock up a simple one page site with all the details you got.

    7. Host it free on the web with one of those... theirname.ahostingcompany.com that doesn't show ads.

    8. Email them the link.

    9. Visit them the next day for your balance.

    10. Repeat for 7 straight days or as much as you like.

    If you can meet at least 5 business owners a day and close just one a day, you have $10 that day. Spend $1 online. $2 on an all you can eat buffet. Beg or squat with a friend/relative or find a shelter in the city for folks who need the helping hand. Depending on which country you're in, you can probably find some addresses online while you're building your site(s) for the day.

    Save your $7 a day. At the end of a week, you could have $49 -- That will get you rent some nicer clothes or even get them cheap second hand. You may also be able to get some business cards made. By the second week you're a bigger fish than you were when you started... up your hunting ground, and up your price... $40 for a 3 page site. Same terms as earlier. By week 3 you can probably go as high as $100 for 5 pages, Week 4, a month after you started out with ZERO, you could be charging $150 - $200 for a 5 page site and even get monthly recurring services thrown in.

    Now there will be a ton of sacrifices on your part to get this done. Like walking instead of taking the bus. Eating once a day. Sleeping outside/squatting with folks you don't know etc, if you absolutely have no other option.

    But it can be done. I have done something pretty similar. Now, I'm charging $2,000 a site, and doing a whole lot more besides. Just went shopping for new electronics with the wife yesterday. Even she still marvels at how I eventually made it out of the sh#$ I was in. I was lucky, I had a roof, and where I was staying there was a computer.

    But, I had NO internet access of my own so the computer was pretty much just a toy. I had to make my own way pretty much how I described above with some differences because of where I live etc.

    I hit 60 businesses on foot in a week. Closed 12. Made $150. Then I met some clients who wanted other services. At least $200 in a week from those 2 clients in cash and in hard currency to boot. Then I moved further up from there with other projects. Sometimes things still seemed like crap and people still turned down offers but I don't give up that easily and I can tell you, not giving up pays.

    I like these challenges. They are more fun than having everything SO easy with JVs and stuff you KNOW you don't really deserve. This way you get what you work for and can be proud of it. Whatever "IT" is.

    Cheers,

    Kunle
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    • Profile picture of the author Midnight Moon
      Kunle,

      I love your post (where you spelled out your emergency plan). I am in a tough situation and have been brainstorming a way to use my miscellaneous web skills to earn money. What you proposed is very similar to what I have concocted in my mind and I am going to take that as an indication that I am heading in the right direction. And yes, I pray everyday and feel those prayers will be answered. But, I need to do my part. God bless.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Wow!

    Thanks!

    Now this thread is taking shape. That is an amazing and awesome story!

    Edit:

    Your post almost deserves a thread of its own because people who are deep into a situation like yours was, are probably not even reading down this far because mine sounds pompous in comparison...

    This thread doesnt event deserve your post!

    But thanks for keeping it here... Unless you feel it could help more people otherwise after some thought.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kunle Olomofe
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Wow!

      Thanks!

      Now this thread is taking shape. That is an amazing and awesome story!

      Edit:

      Your post almost deserves a thread of its own because people who are deep into a situation like yours was, are probably not even reading down this far because mine sounds pompous in comparison...

      This thread doesnt event deserve your post!

      But thanks for keeping it here... Unless you feel it could help more people otherwise after some thought
      Cheers John... have my hands full with my one and a half year old son trying to type as I type! Believe me it was one of the toughest times I ever had to go through and I did NONE of those things because I wanted to... only because I HAD to, so some folks reading this may not yet be THAT motivated. Lord knows I never want to be in that position again myself so I can relate to anyone not feeling like rushing out and pounding the pavement for miles--literally.

      It was your post that motivated me to share this as I am way more private than this so I think I'll keep it here for now in any case, would NOT likely ever have written all that if you hadn't shared yours first... so the kudos are all yours frankly.

      Hopefully those desperate enough will find what they crave one way or another... sometimes it's the better than getting it all on a platter.

      Bottom line, I'll consider it. For now hope it gingers this thread even further and inspires many many dozens or more readers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Midnight Moon
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Wow!

      Thanks!

      Now this thread is taking shape. That is an amazing and awesome story!

      Edit:

      Your post almost deserves a thread of its own because people who are deep into a situation like yours was, are probably not even reading down this far because mine sounds pompous in comparison...

      This thread doesnt event deserve your post!

      But thanks for keeping it here... Unless you feel it could help more people otherwise after some thought.
      John,

      FYI - Your post is by no means pompous. I followed your comments in another thread, which is how I ended up here eventually. You are thoroughly inspiring, you stand on your own, you come on as a man of integrity. I learned much from your posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Okay, if you say so, but there are at least 100 people here in this subforum who in the last year have reported their first online sale within a week of cold calling, having never done it before, many of them have never designed websites before and have learned, within the same week they learned to cold call..., and some who dont feel confident to design sites are doing appointment setting services for the first time...after reading a report only.

    So I disagree, but life reflects back to you whatever you believe so, that may be your reality. I dont want to debate either. Lets agree to disagree.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      YGM said:

      "Well mr Durham i don't agree.. there are things you need to learn first, you're not going to put someone in a airplane that doesn't know how to fly?"

      Where do they go to learn how to fly? Oh, an airplane. Imagine that. If you take flying lessons, you actually get to pilot the plane on day one and if the instructor thinks you have the ability he will let you land the winged monster as well. Can't think of a better way to learn to fly, can you?

      Oh, I use to sky dive. Guess how I learned? Yep, I jumped out of the plane. Kind of like being in a freezing building in an esoteric sort of way that is...

      and he said:

      "And that is the same with sales, people need to learn how to sell that is why they have invented businesses schools with marketing and sales classes, are you saying that people should not learn first... or am i nit picking again?"

      Evidently he has never been in the insurance industry. When I started in 1967, insurance that is, there wasn't one single business school offering a sales or marketing class for insurance agents.

      The manager took you out during week one and he did the selling. Week two, he went with you while you did the selling. There was no week three if you didn't pass week two.

      Just my experience. Someone once said, "I know nothing, therefore anything is possible". That may fit in with the rest of the sayings on this thread.

      Have a great day,

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      • Profile picture of the author Mark68
        John and anyone else-

        I don't have an outhouse but I do have an apartment and have a high speed internet connection that my laptop can plug into (I guess would need a usb headset and skype?) I also have one of those voip phones the cable company gave me almost free when I did the bundle scam.

        I currently am working a 3 to 12 shift so I have 8-2pm to call.

        I have been here off and on and bought a few WSO's but never did anything. I understand the concepts and just want to sell them. My question is "what" to market if you've never marketed in this industry.

        Also, would want to stay in one place-sell and close by phone only.

        Should you make calls for someone else's company?
        (I couldn't find anything by Iamnameless who John mentions earlier in the thread who is offering opportunities. Most of the offer forums didn't seem to have any info)

        Should you make calls and outsource the products?

        I have no company name, credit card acceptance account or any experience. What products would work in this instance? Some can be commodities and a good learning area.

        I know all of the above can be an answer but I would looking for something a little more focused. I need to make extra money now so just looking for ideas/opinions on what would work for a newbie.

        I am new to this industry but have done sales in others-I have done both inside and outside sales and currently at an inside sales position.

        thanks,

        Mark

        No pm so if you do have a company that needs help feel free to email me at m#rh#6#88#0 at G type of eml-remove# (am I allowed to post and email address? will remove if not)
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          [QUOTE=Mark68;5973263]
          Should you make calls for someone else's company?
          (I couldn't find anything by Iamnameless who John mentions earlier in the thread who is offering opportunities. Most of the offer forums didn't seem to have any info)

          John was talking about another thread. Here is what you need to do.

          Click on this Link Post # 2 , http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...-warriors.html


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  • Profile picture of the author DianaHeuser
    Kunle,

    Thank you for sharing your story. Those kind of stories make such a difference in people's lives and often gives them hope.

    Too often I think people are afraid to admit that they have battled because they think it makes them look weak. Not so! They are stronger.

    Di
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    Yeah I kinda disagree YGM. Not ganging up but a person's primary goal is survival and whether you know something or not, you are going to do it and THAT is sometimes your advantage...you didnt know you needed a lot of training and accidentally stumble on a new way to sell.

    I taught one of my step daughters and her boyfriend in 20 minutes what to do and they had 10 leads between them by the end of the day and one turned into a customer that has lasted 3 years now. They said they were so scared at first but once they found their own groove (not what i told them), it went easy.

    Also, when I first learned sales, I knew ZERO about it. I went to the library, got a library card, read about a few sales things and said well why not try it. I found a catalog of overseas suppliers and found a really good product to sell to people that owned older cars. I went to the same library and printed up some flyers (free up to 25 pages a day I think at the time) on a mac they wanted people to test out, went to parking lots and put them on old car windshields. I got a few calls and they turned into orders. I borrowed I think at the time $100 to place the order of the product from my mother (who was on govt assistance after blowing thru a $300K inheritance from my dad dying). I turned that $100 into $200 in a very short time.

    No one taught me sales. No one taught me how to make flyers. No one taught me it was not a normal way to sell that product...I just figured I had to help my family...and I did. Survival. I later supported 6 people alone on this attitude (btw, I was 16 at the time).

    Now, saying that, learning how to make automated money has taken me a few years in IM. There is NO way someone is going to pick that up in a day. I am training one guy that it is taking just as long as I did to make 1/2 my income thru automated methods (money machine as I call it). But that is not the point of this post it is if you are in dire straits, there is ALWAYS a way to make money no matter what you know!
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    You're one bad ass mofo, John!
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    Some wheels won't quit squeaking no matter how much grease they get....sometimes its best to keep the grease for the squeaky wheel it will actually help...
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  • Profile picture of the author Adwizard
    @John... this quote by you says it all:

    "My reason says I cant pick up the front end of a car, but if my grandson was under one, my passion would say "step aside reason".
    Passion has tricks that the "reason" is totally oblivious to, and cant even fathom."

    I don't know if you've made that up or heard it somewhere but that my friend needs to be in books!!! Perhaps even the same books that Dave is reading in all the Business Schools and Sales Classes blah blah blah

    @Dave There is no better teacher than experience!!! To say that those who lack phone or sales experience should not be in this business but should be out getting a regular job is a joke.... actually it sounds like something a scared little boy would say who doesn't understand that competition is healthy!
    Also... I think I am gonna put Johns awesome quote into a QR code for you to scan and read everyday... I know you say the Dutch don't know what the codes are but since you've been around this forum as long as you have I imagine you know how to use them... Dude, why do I see all negativity in your posts... Oh and your comment about putting someone in an airplane that don't know how to fly was comparing Apples and Oranges which you have been so fond of saying... Instead of trying to argue, go have another blunt!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ever get those vids up Michael?

    Originally Posted by Midnight Moon View Post

    John,

    FYI - Your post is by no means pompous. I followed your comments in another thread, which is how I ended up here eventually. You are thoroughly inspiring, you stand on your own, you come on as a man of integrity. I learned much from your posts.
    Thanks Midnight Moon, appreciate that alot, and Im glad you get something out of all this posting! lol
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  • Profile picture of the author carolynhoney
    Wow, I'm definitely inspired - that's the kind of gritty story that wipes away my excuses.
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    How nice all the friends of mr Durham come to help...


    Originally Posted by DianaHeuser View Post

    Dave,

    One thing about actually doing something, even if you know nothing about it, is that you learn by doing it. Yes, there is a place for formal learning but the best teaching tool is experience.

    Di
    I disagree with this... you can learn by doing but if you're really in need to $$$ fast this isn't the way to go.. selling is not something you learn in a view weeks, it takes months before you even grasp what sales is really all about.... and yeah mr Durham can do stuff like that in two weeks but he hase sale experience ... he is not a not a n00b and he is giving n00bs false hope by saying grab the phone and sell... it just doesn't work that way.



    Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

    I couldn't resist. My friend, I am a well paid sales trainer. That being said, let me say this, john is right and so are you. You need to accept that your way is not the only way. John is not saying his way is the only way he is saying its a way. There is not a right and wrong person here there is only relative.

    However, as a trainer I need for you to rub up against all my prospects and give them your outlook on training.
    Well what he is saying is that n00bs should grab a phone and go sell, sell, sell... when they do without proper training they will get burned and will stop trying, selling isn't easy it is a skill you need to learn... and grabbing a phone and calling businesses with a WSO call scrip is not going to cut it, period. maybe if he/she is lucky... but most of them will give up after rejection #100


    Originally Posted by Adwizard View Post


    @Dave There is no better teacher than experience!!! To say that those who lack phone or sales experience should not be in this business but should be out getting a regular job is a joke.... actually it sounds like something a scared little boy would say who doesn't understand that competition is healthy!
    LOL you guys aren't even in my marketing area and even if you where i am not afraid of any of you lol, but yeah when you don't know how to sell you should not be selling, if you don't know how to fly you should not be in the cockpit of a airplane, if you don't know how to drive you should not be behind the steer of a car.

    Ohw and about the QR, nobody in the western world uses QR codes, if you quote me and try ti be funny with it use my quotes correctly next time, thanks.


    Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

    So, according to you, I need a biz degree in order to sell? Or classes or whatever?

    Bullsh**.

    If someone has no clue how to sell, it's as simple as picking up a book by one of the Masters (I'm fond of Zig Ziglar and Jeffrey Gitomer, myself) or finding others to help them along.

    Then they have to GET OUT AND SELL.

    They can get all the "book learnin'" they want. Until/Unless they get out in the trenches and take action, it won't mean a thing.

    I'll put my experience up against a degree any day of the week.

    Last point: If you're hungry enough, a few irate biz people won't stop you.

    That is what i call bullcrap, you can't sent out people to sell without proper training, yes that means more then reading a book or a WSO, and maybe a view irated people will not stop you, but when you get to call #100 and you get rejection after rejection just because you don't know how to pitch right 99% of the people will give up... and that is why if they are really in need of $$$ they need to get a real JOB and learn about sales until they are ready to sell the correct way.

    That is the way i feel and think about it, i think it is wrong to have n00bs thinking that selling is easy money, because it isn't.
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      That is what i call bullcrap, you can't sent out people to sell without proper training, yes that means more then reading a book or a WSO, and maybe a view irated people will not stop you, but when you get to call #100 and you get rejection after rejection just because you don't know how to pitch right 99% of the people will give up... and that is why if they are really in need of $$$ they need to get a real JOB and learn about sales until they are ready to sell the correct way.

      That is the way i feel and think about it, i think it is wrong to have n00bs thinking that selling is easy money, because it isn't.
      So true. As if 'sales' isn't a skill. In fact, selling is a skill that can be improved by experience and training. Looks at the billions spent each year to make sales people into better sales people!
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      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        So true. As if 'sales' isn't a skill. In fact, selling is a skill that can be improved by experience and training. Looks at the billions spent each year to make sales people into better sales people!
        Of course it's a skill. Of course you can improve upon it. Doesn't mean you need years of training before you can start.

        People spend millions of dollars a year on learning dating techniques and how to get a date, too. Then you have other guys that simply go up to the girl and ask her out.
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    • Profile picture of the author ShayB
      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      That is what i call bullcrap, you can't sent out people to sell without proper training, yes that means more then reading a book or a WSO, and maybe a view irated people will not stop you, but when you get to call #100 and you get rejection after rejection just because you don't know how to pitch right 99% of the people will give up... and that is why if they are really in need of $$$ they need to get a real JOB and learn about sales until they are ready to sell the correct way.

      That is the way i feel and think about it, i think it is wrong to have n00bs thinking that selling is easy money, because it isn't.
      And I say you're wrong.

      No harm in disagreeing - I have my experiences and you have yours.

      Never said it was easy, but it's certainly doable, even for a newbie.

      Is it a push-button way to make money? Of course not. But it's doable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rose Anderson
    I didn't read anywhere in the post where the OP said it was "easy". I'm pretty sure being hungry, cold, and broke wasn't easy.

    I can relate to this story in many ways. During one year I went through a divorce, bankruptcy, diabetes diagnosis, and a cancer scare. It was not a fun time (understatement).

    When I decided to start making money online I had no technical knowledge other than how to send an email and surf the web. But I figured out that people needed articles and I knew how to write. I learned by looking at other articles on the web and writing better ones. I also read books by writers I admired. I can't say it was easy but I learned by reading and doing.

    I think John's only point is that you can change your life if you make the decision to do so and work hard at making it happen. Whether you do it with a computer, a frying pan, or bucket and a mop doesn't really matter. The point is the same. If cold-calling isn't your thing then don't do it. Find something you can do. Of course it's not easy. The only easy thing is life is making excuses of why you can't do something.

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  • Followers of this post :

    look at these reply's and ask yourself : who would You like to work with, hire, be around, or BE LIKE?

    the guy who comes and says " I can sell, and I can do it in a outhouse, in any city, in cold weather, I will make the calls, I work hard, I know fundamently it's all a #'s Game 1St, I Have a PMA, etc..,"

    or the guy who say's " I need training, I have to be ready, I need to know the market,... yada, yada, yada..."




    any attempt to discount this with Adverse replys will seem negative, counter productive, moving away from the real issue AND THE REAL MESSAGE, and Lame.

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  • Profile picture of the author liindsay
    Thanks for the inspiring story John.

    YGM: I'm very new here and not trying to pick an argument, but can't you think of a time where you were thrown in the deep end of something with 2 options.. succeed or fail?

    For me I remember starting work in sales out of school, I definitely didn't have any study behind me. Our "training" consisted of building rapport and learning about our products, then we were thrown onto the phones starting with an hour a day and working up to your normal full day.

    When put in that sort of position you either adapt, learn and succeed.. Or you give up and fail. It's really that simple!
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  • Profile picture of the author jamerkley
    That's such a great headline John ... and factual to. A few years ago i think there was a real estate guru by the name of Gary Allen?. He wrote a book called No Money Down. He became even more famous when he boasted he could be dropped into any city in the U.S. with practically no money and within a few days or weeks buy some property with positive cash flow.
    A newspaper took him up on his claim and documented how he did it.
    Your post tells a great truth that more people need to hear and act on.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMHunter
    This is a great read. Thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author huester
    It was very nice that you gave up your job to help your friend. I certainly couldn't do that, saying that I dont have friends. Alot of people give up their jobs saying they are going to make it online. What people should do is keep their jobs and start IM part time until they get a hang of it. Once they make maybe twice their salary then give up their full time job. I did start two years ago but didn't have the time to commit as I thought it was a full time thing. But its not. I started again this year 2012 and plan to reach my $2000 a month by the end of the year. I plan on tripling that next year and give up my job. I know I can do and I know that everyone here can do it. Just have a bit of faith and the willingness to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    Great story John, thanks again for sharing, love your posts.

    I took a less than graceful exit from the Gas Station/Auto Repair business in 2007 and was full time with Internet Marketing in April in 2008, there is a bigger than you think learning curve if you want to be very successful with IM. Hang in these, keep focused....this career is much better than getting a J.O.B.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur View Post

      Great story John, thanks again for sharing, love your posts.

      I took a less than graceful exit from the Gas Station/Auto Repair business in 2007 and was full time with Internet Marketing in April in 2008, there is a bigger than you think learning curve if you want to be very successful with IM. Hang in these, keep focused....this career is much better than getting a J.O.B.
      Oh trust me brother, working for the man is not an option for this guy. When I get ready I'll get up. Thanks for the encouragement. I have always admired your posts and energy about things.
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