I'm so ashamed of myself for what I've done

Lol, yea I have found out that with a lot of forums a lot of info is left out for people who are just learning. You also really have to watch out for those get rich schemes, I have found so many of them myself!

IF you bought it, then you can leave negative reviews.

As long as your diplomatic about it, you wont get banned.

The people that get banned take it waay to far

--edit--
Paul Myers says it all the time. It is ok to leave bad reviews.

Yeah I didn't like the follow-up part of it but I liked the initial opportunity because it did give you a real way to get advice that you may need, as well as a chance to indirectly get your own services pitched across to them. The follow-up is where I kind of stopped paying attention to it.

I guess I view it somewhat the same as if you went to small insurance brokers to get quotes for your car or home, which you could genuinely be interested in, but also use that time as an opportunity to mention your services when the broker asks information about what you do. I don't think it's unethical if you use that as an opportunity even if you somewhat planned it.

It probably could have been put together a lot better, again I don't remember the rest of it because I didn't care much for the service offered or the follow up. Also, it doesn't help that I'm fairly naive to all the WSO creators and WSO's in general, so I don't always know who I'm dealing with unfortunately!

No doubt. Not only is it deceptive, and an abuse of peoples time and energy... but its also the looonng , stooooopid, way around.

This is the reason people start off in Offline and 3 months later they still havent got a sale, or they still havent made it past their initial icebreaker sale. Its because they are too busy trying all these loong drawn out BS systems...

My advice:

Just say why you are calling, if they arent interested let them go or schedule a callback for when they are in a better position to make a decision.

If it takes "five call backs", hey good news "You're a consultant", you dont have to worry about anyone saying you are a telemarketer (lol). JK

Be upfront...say what you want, say what you mean... and dont him-haw. Dont be rude or cold, be polite and personable, but dont BS...get to the point.

People call that salesy but its alot more straight forward and on the level than schmoozing someone for a month with a hidden agenda.

I have never seen success achieved casually. not to say it cant be achieved that way, but IME its always achieved by the guys with their heads down going through prospects like a machine - and that includes half million dollar per year investment bankers, insurance agents...

Here's what it comes down to. Two things IMO:

1: What do you sell?
2: How many peiple have you asked to buy it today?

The folks that keep it that simple, are the ones you see popping up here every other day telling stories about their new clients.

No need to jump through hoops to get a sale.... If you find that someone doesn't accept your altruism to the cause of doing business.... then let em go and find someone who wants to know about what you are sharing, who will hang on the edge of their seat and appreciate every word.

Now you are being smart and not wasting your energy, or having to demean yourself.

Dont go where you arent appreciated.

Dont lower yourself to having to act like someones best friend for life to get a sale, even when you dont know them from Adam.

Thats self demeaning.

Just make your offer and find out if it matches their needs or not.

One thing I like about Iamnameless here on the forum is that he is who is - he presents what he has to offer- lays it out in a down to business fashion, and if you dont like it's "fine - Next reader please".

Im not changing my story (the truth) like underwear just to kiss your behind and beg for a sale. Here is what I have, it's awesome, do you want it or not...or should I be talking to someone else? If not then no prob, no offense, great to meet you, there is no reason to continue... "Next".

Dont change your position to make a sale..., just change your prospect to one who appreciates what you are presenting more.

If you have to change prospects 50 times a day or 100 then so be it...but dont demean yourself to deception.

Have a low closing ratio, higher sales gross at the end of the day, and a high self opinion by just telling it like it is, and letting go of prospects left and right till you come across the one your offer is perfect for.

Not rocket science.

Some of this will be taken out of context but I dont care... it could only be misconstrued by someone who was trying to discredit the main point... Which is " square pegs can beat themselves into round holes...but its so much more effortless to just slip right in like nothing, when you find the square hole that fits the square peg".

You can beat yourself into a round hole but you are gonna get all scarred up and mangled in the process.

Your offer fits someone... just find them. They are there, trust me. No need to try and make everyone into a perfect prospect, just find some who are already perfect.

I always hope people will get the "point" and not dissect it too heavily and run off chasing deer.

Predominantly because it claimed to be specific to the legal practice market. However, now that I've read it, the same deception can be applied to any service or profession.

I believe the author decided to use "lawyers" as a hook because of the assumption that lawyers will spend more on monthly services. I have to give him props for knowing how to market a WSO regardless of its worth. I have no doubt he'll be back in a few weeks or less with one for another profession that offers free consultations.

You hit the nail square on the head, David I've been selling over the telephone since I'm 18 years old...a long time, lol.

Just like any other profession, in that time, I've developed a style, certain techniques & my own little "goody bag" of tools that help make me successful. Thousand of hours spent sitting in a room on a phone, thousands & thousands of calls made, pitches by the truck-load, sales meetings, books read, courses taken, etc., etc., etc. So...

I find it almost comical when people think they can learn EVERYTHING about ANYTHING in a WSO - or anywhere else for that matter. Sure, you might learn enough to grease the wheels and get you up-and-running, but, as with anything else in life, IT TAKES WORK! (Yes I'm yelling, lol).

What's even worse, is when one's entree into seeking information is taken advantage of by con men putting out questionable - or even totally wrong - facts.

There's an old saying Warriors, to become really good at anything takes roughly 10,000 hours of practice. Sure, some might get it sooner, or some might latch on later than others, but, the long and short of it is this...

Just do it. Practice, practice, practice. The ability to fall and get up again and keep trying is worth 1,000,000% (that's one million, lol) more than ANY WSO!

This is exactly why I have no plans to sell a WSO.
I don't want to be associated in the same category as 95% of the WSO creators.....Even though it would be a great product.

Now, I do agree with your overall take, but I'm convinced there are some great "improvers" to our methods, and yes, even some shortcuts that work. I mean, we're not here only to share our feelings , but also to give and get a few pointers and ideas to boost our skills - be it in the sales aspect, knowledge to execute a given task, prospecting, or to better... our systems.

The problem is people not willing to bloody their nose a bit, and begging for a magical push button money maker. And yes, I really don't like how negative reviews are deleted, while all threads are bloated with fake reviews and friends. It might help short term sales, but it could hurt future ones IMO - though what can one do with the constant bashers? They don't help either.

Personally, I've found some good value in many WSOs, and a lot too right here in the open forums. The constant WSO producers that obviously don't make money from the ideas they're putting out there should be run out of this place. It's too good to ruin with such crap.

Yep, I am a little sickened myself to see what is supposed to be a "forum" of learning get flooded with crap that is a rip-off. I got burned also, not on this but by someone else peddling what was supposed to be "safe" and was far from it.

To a degree of course. There are a million agenda's here... ONE of mine is learning how to market my knowledge to the masses, and, yes; get pay pal'd for it.

I learned marketing and how to appreciate it from the WF, however it took ten years before I saw that forum sigs were a part of the nature and rhythm of what we do, as we mature as forum participants, become knowledgeable leaders, and also see the excitement of experimentation that a sig affords you, and the insights you can learn from trying different ways of using it.

It broadens you.

Again, you can even raise money for charitable causes with it if you want. Its a waste not to use it for SOMETHING.

But yes, some take advantage too. Its a double edged sword.

Personally Im never ashamed of my sig... its another aspect of marketing that I have achieved and conquered. Im proud of it... and Im proud of my paypal account which by itself without any other offline projects equals more than a full time income for many.

Im not ashamed of that, I want to teach others how to do it too. "You" even bro!

I just wish you'd write us one and get over it David so we can all benefit from having you teach us something in a continuous flow. Particularly about the foreclosure market...man that is some valuable knowledge you have.

*blushes* Thank you for the kind words. And you're welcome.

I am ranting myself David, having too good a time typing, and have been on a wf binge for days (it happens)... lol. Time to step off for a day or so and catch up some other stuff!

BTW: Anything I ever say to you in a post is objective...Never personal unless mentioned that its personal, and I dont take you that way either. We have a good understanding that each other has good understanding...lol

Just jumping in with more perspectives... But now jumping out!

Lol, quite so!

I agree, its a dumb plan.

Hey, sorry if I hijacked your thread David, got excited about the peripheral subject matter (which was not the matter you were intendiing) and just kept going...

Feel free to hijack me twice for this one and throw me off topic.

Isn't there some legalese about "obtaining property under false pretenses" or something to that effect?

Might apply here. Not that I'm a lawyer. I don't play one on Twitter, either.