Request :: Someone Here Open Up A Call Center For Cold Calling Businesses So I Can Pay You

11 years ago

Gosh!!!
So much opportunity.... I wish I had 3 of me. Someone will do this! There are some good appointment setters here these days.

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Keen creations

11 years ago

I second this!

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John Durham

11 years ago

I would do it personally, but I would have to drop alot of other things for it...and the development curve would take a few weeks for the telemarketers... I have thought about starting a Warrior call center, but it would require investment to do anything that would justify dropping everything else.

It would have to be BIG for me...and that would require capital.

I think for a guy working from home trying to earn 1500 bucks per week this could be good (take note newbies).

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tinyreal

11 years ago

John-

You think 1500/week is feasible as a telemarketer? sign me up

Mike

Originally Posted by John Durham

I would do it personally, but I would have to drop alot of other things for it...and the development curve would take a few weeks for the telemarketers... I have thought about starting a Warrior call center, but it would require investment to do anything that would justify dropping everything else.

It would have to be BIG for me...and that would require capital.

I think for a guy working from home trying to earn 1500 bucks per week this could be good (take note newbies).

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tinyreal

John-

You think 1500/week is feasible as a telemarketer? sign me up

Mike

@ $75 per live appointment lets say thats about 4 appointments per day... No doubt that if they are even halfway tight the lead buyer will quadruple his money.

Yeah I think its doable... easily, especially if there is commission too.

Even at $50 per appointment, they would beat having a J-O-B

Problem is having committed clients who arent just sticking their toe in the water and will develop with you. Most Warriors (not PPC caoch obviosly) arent that committed to really making something work to invest in developing a good telemarketing partner.

You cant run a telemarketing business on 200 bucks here and there.

Ps. Telemarketers...you will make more by the appointment if you take the risk, instead of hourly, if you are committed. Appointment setting isnt rocket science. You make good money if you get up and put in the 5 hours per day!

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tinyreal

11 years ago

wow

Absolutely surprising to me that they will pay at that rate. I've run sales rooms, but never strictly cold calling on the phone

Guess I better check out the forum huh?

Originally Posted by John Durham

@ $75 per live appointment lets say thats about 4 appointments per day... No doubt that if they are even halfway tight the lead buyer will quadruple his money.

Yeah I think its doable... easily, especially if there is commission too.

Even at $50 per appointment, they would beat having a J-O-B

Problem is having committed clients who arent just sticking their toe in the water and will develop with you. Most Warriors (not PPC caoch obviosly) arent that committed to really making something work to invest in developing a good telemarketing partner.

You cant run a telemarketing business on 200 bucks here and there.

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John Durham 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tinyreal

wow

Absolutely surprising to me that they will pay at that rate.

Any serious client will.
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rolltide

11 years ago

I picked up a nice script from John Durham today. I am lining up my callers now for it. John knows a thing or 2 about writing scripts.

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John Durham 11 years ago

Originally Posted by rolltide

I picked up a nice script from John Durham today. I am lining up my callers now for it. John knows a thing or 2 about writing scripts.

Interesting...I am working on your rebuttals right now ATM as a matter of fact Chris!

Ps. Im glad you like the angle!

I have actually thought a warrior call center would be cool and place a camera on it all day and make that my avatar, the live vid running constantly.... just not realistic without a bunch of start up capital, I have done the shoe string thing enough that I dont want to do it anymore. It works if you are in a pinch though.
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- ShayB 11 years ago
  
  I'm tempted! If I didn't have so many irons in the fire already, I'd be even more so.
  
  Great opportunity for someone - hope he or she steps up soon.
  
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John Durham

11 years ago

They are gonna bang this guys door down, and good for them Shay! and him!

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Jay Rhome

11 years ago

I want(ed) to build my own boiler room, but like John says, it needs some up front money. Well not that much, but renting a big enough room for 5-8 people to make calls is quite a bundle!

I'm still tempted as the ENERGY derived from having appointments setters and sales reps in a room 6 hours a day, even for just 3 days a week, is bound to make a sales explosion. Buying leads, or having work-from-home telemarketers can get sales, but not that energy. Maybe I'll "settle" for a boiler room of sales reps, making calls from the leads from outbound telemarketers, but I'd rather have them all together at one point, might just not be right off the bat.

It's the physical and technical aspects that's hard to figure out for me : finding the space to rent, having the phones, the calling system and blablabla. I better go to the TMF and see if there's any tips on setting up a boiler room. You might as well go there too, PPC-Coach.

And BTW, $75 a lead? That seems high to me but hey you know better.

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Adwizard

11 years ago

I have called and set up appointments for myself for many years... down on my back for that last four months. I've got time to make some calls for someone at the present. Hit me up with some details if your serious... just be prepared for some appointments!!!

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Eddie Spangler

11 years ago

For anyone who thinks $75 is too high per lead I think it COULD be too low.
Just depends on who you target and how big a thinker you are.

First remember that some people just hate doing appointment setting because it can be a grind and energy sapping but they may be very good at sales. He may have to call 2 hours to make 1 appt and then another 1-2hr to run the appt. What if he can get 3 solid appointments per day and devote all his energy on closing them.

Say he is selling a $1k per month marketing package, could be seo, could be social media, could be whatever. Lets say he can close one 1 of 3 on a 12 month commitment.

Why wouldnt this guy pay you $200 per lead. Thats only $600 per sale and he is guaranteed at least 12k over the next year. Even if he is selling a $600 a month package its not out the question, consider the first month a finders fee or a referral fee under a different model and you will realize that it all just about perspective.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler

For anyone who thinks $75 is too high per lead I think it COULD be too low.
Just depends on who you target and how big a thinker you are.

First remember that some people just hate doing appointment setting because it can be a grind and energy sapping but they may be very good at sales. He may have to call 2 hours to make 1 appt and then another 1-2hr to run the appt. What if he can get 3 solid appointments per day and devote all his energy on closing them.

Say he is selling a $1k per month marketing package, could be seo, could be social media, could be whatever. Lets say he can close one 1 of 3 on a 12 month commitment.

Why wouldnt this guy pay you $200 per lead. Thats only $600 per sale and he is guaranteed at least 12k over the next year. Even if he is selling a $600 a month package its not out the question, consider the first month a finders fee or a referral fee under a different model and you will realize that it all just about perspective.

Exactly. 3 appointments per day could make someone a millionaire in a year in our field easily, or even less.

I would bet that 99.9% of the people in offline dont do that many per "week".

So yeah, a good telemarketer is valuable.

Ps. If you are dialing on the west coast, it may take an extra week for them to hit their groove BTW, its a little harder. You may have to invest for a week or two to help them get traction, still worth it.

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Ps. If you are dialing on the west coast, it may take an extra week for them to hit their groove BTW, its a little harder.

Care to elaborate? I honestly have no idea what your talking about.
When it comes to sales that's pretty hard to do.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Care to elaborate? I honestly have no idea what your talking about.
When it comes to sales that's pretty hard to do.

Just meaning that west coast dialers may have a tougher market, particularly if they arent from there, particularly with Offline... Its a fact, and it makes sense, because that is the center of the internet world practically, people are more savvy and alot more are covered already.

Even in Nashville, at my call center, when we switched the leads to west coast, the telemarketers complained because its a little more hardcore (not much, just takes a minute to get used to) than other places. Particularly LA and Las Vegas. Many props to the hardcore guys who work their everyday.

New York is even alot easier to sell in than Vegas in my experience ... not just my own but others I have managed.

Personally, I dont care, I will call anything, but even here on the WF I have seen guys have a hard time dialing west coast , then I advise a different region and they do it like butter. After the faith is built they go back to diliang WC again and they are fine.

Its just rough to "cut your teeth" on, but it makes you more hardcore... Of course , if thats all you have ever called it may be easy.

Ps. Not ironically, but when pro callers would come into the call center (Nashville) "from" the west coast, 8 times out of ten they were top performers.

West coast telemarketers are more hard core "generally".

Alot of WSO sellers wont say this because alot of them are afraid they wont be able to sell reports to west coast people if they do... But, i dont care. Im telling you the truth. If I never sold another report I would be fine.

Pps. I know places in America that the suckiest telemarketer on earth can easily get sales. I have witneessed some of the more successful newbies here being from those places siliently... I will never tell though! lol

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

ahhh ok, i got you, i HAVE heard people complain a bit.

I must be a minority, i don't have an issue at all with west coast,
as a matter of fact, in some aspects, i actually find it a bit easier to sell.

Thanks for the clarification.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

ahhh ok, i got you, i HAVE heard people complain a bit.

I must be a minority, i don't have an issue at all with west coast,
as a matter of fact, in some aspects, i actually find it a bit easier to sell.

Thanks for the clarification.

No prob, I edited some so you may reread if you want... You are probably just "that good" lol.

I always loved calling it myself, because it gave me a chance to zoom ahead of the whiners and beat their scores. Didnt bother me at all.

Back when I was a telemarketer I would hold the title for months and months (like 9-10) months at a time whether the room had 50 others or 100....and a guy would beat me for one month and I would go back to doing it again, just because I got lazy for awhile and didnt want to try....Once I even felt guilty because everyone started treating me like "Who does he think he is", and I quit winning on purpose.

So they made me the manager! lol

Much like the WF feels to me at times... Wont go into details. But performing gets you hated alot.

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Back when I was a telemarketer I would hold the title for months and months (like 9-10) months at a time whether the room had 50 others or 100....and a guy would beat me for one month and I would go back to doing it again, just because I got lazy for awhile and didnt want to try....Once I even felt guilty because everyone started treating me like "Who does he think he is", and I quit winning on purpose.

So they made me the manager! lol

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You know what john, I am really really glad you said that.
Really i am, here is why.

I have often wondered about your actual sales skill. ( not your teaching skill ) Where i am at, ( FL) you never make your best sales people managers, you never have them run "the room" ... We put the burn outs on as TO's , floor managers, ect.

That was a hard lesson for me to learn, when i opened my first sales room. I wrongly put my best sales guy as manager... He sucked as manager... then it was later .. when i talked to the guy who taught me sales, who showed me who the right people were to make managers.

Here, if your a manager, it means you put in your dues, you show up on time, your not a drug addict/ alcoholic and you can dish out the party line. It also means your more valuable OFF the phone.

Same thing goes for trainers. I have only met a few trainers over the years that really had the sales "chops" ( even tho they could do a stellar job teaching )

SO, and this is going to sound foo barred, but because you are so darn good at teaching... I have always said to myself... hmmmmm.

I am glad to see that you can walk the walk, instead of just talk it.
I think perhaps, they broke the mold when they made you.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

You know what john, I am really really glad you said that.
Really i am, here is why.

I have often wondered about your actual sales skill. ( not your teaching skill ) Where i am at, ( FL) you never make your best sales people managers, you never have them run "the room" ... We put the burn outs on as TO's , floor managers, ect.

That was a hard lesson for me to learn when i opened my first sales room. I wrongly put my best sales guy as manager... He sucked as manager... then it was later .. when i talked to the guy who taught me sales, who showed me who the right people were to make managers.

Here, if your a manager, it means you put in your dues, you show up on time, your not a drug addict/ alcoholic , and you can dish out the party line. It also means your more valuable OFF the phone.

Same thing goes for trainers. I have only met a few trainers over the years that really had the sales "chops" ( even tho they could do a stellar job teaching )

SO, and this is going to sound foo barred, but because you are so darn good at teaching... I have always said to myself... hmmmmm.

For some reason i am glad to see that you can walk the walk, instead of just talk it. I think perhaps, they broke the mold when they made you.

I understand. You can look up the attorney generals statistics and see that Non Profit Services In Nashville did 7 mil in 2007, and a little more research will show you that I was the GM.... thats not what will prove it though... Look at 2006. Not only did I increase gross but also daily cash flow by teaching them to credit card close, and cut costs by creating a voice broadcast campaign that made collection dept not necessary..

It was a different manager in 2006, and I doubled his figures (3.5 mil). Actually doubled the 20 year company record.

Then I went to Indiana in 2008 because my friend was desperate and needed help with his store.

But yeah, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont let anyone attack me for saying this because Im tired of being attacked at WF ...even though alot of people are great to me...

But I was a "phenomenon" on the phone.

It was because I used hundreds of calls per day to learn the science while others were just trying to be good telemarketers I was trying to figure out how to make the laws around it work.

The laws did my work for me. I drew pictures all day on the phone of guitars! lol And scribbled self development notes all over the place!

Put it this way ken, two years ago I said right in a thread on WF "Im going to become the first telemarketing authority here". It was a sudden out of the blue epiphany that happened in a literal moment.

Looking back - a colossal one!

And I would bet that no one reading even paid attention.

Now I have a telemarketing forum that made almost 6 figures last year and has 3500 members.

Im just one of those guys that does what he sets out to do, if he can get his mind set, and what I just told you is proof.

Getting the mind set is hard sometimes though.

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

I understand. You can look up the attorney generals statistics and see that Non Profit Services In Nashville did 7 mil in 2007, and a little more research will show you that I was the GM.... thats not what will prove it though... Look at 2006. Not only did I increase gross but daily cash flow by teaching them to credit card close, and cut costs by creating a voice broadcast campaign that made collection dept not necessary..

nahh brotha, I don't need to look anything up. Its easy to spot truth.
As you said to me last year, it takes one to know one.

BTW, we have a lot in common, i sketch 18 wheelers when i am on the phone...

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JoshN

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Just meaning that west coast dialers may have a tougher market, particularly if they arent from there, particularly with Offline... Its a fact, and it makes sense, because that is the center of the internet world practically, people are more savvy and alot more are covered already.

Even in Nashville, at my call center, when we switched the leads to west coast, the telemarketers complained because its a little more hardcore (not much, just takes a minute to get used to) than other places. Particularly LA and Las Vegas. Many props to the hardcore guys who work their everyday.

New York is even alot easier to sell in than Vegas in my experience ... not just my own but others I have managed.

Personally, I dont care, I will call anything, but even here on the WF I have seen guys have a hard time dialing west coast , then I advise a different region and they do it like butter. After the faith is built they go back to diliang WC again and they are fine.

Its just rough to "cut your teeth" on, but it makes you more hardcore... Of course , if thats all you have ever called it may be easy.

Ps. Not ironically, but when pro callers would come into the call center (Nashville) "from" the west coast, 8 times out of ten they were top performers.

West coast telemarketers are more hard core "generally".

Alot of WSO sellers wont say this because alot of them are afraid they wont be able to sell reports to west coast people if they do... But, i dont care. Im telling you the truth. If I never sold another report I would be fine.

Pps. I know places in America that the suckiest telemarketer on earth can easily get sales. I have witneessed some of the more successful newbies here being from those places siliently... I will never tell though! lol

There's no easy place to get sales.. usually if it's easy to get appointments than that area isn't being dialed into for a reason, because its dead.

West coast is not hard at all to call into. I worked both Silicon Valley and LA at different times and I would say they are normal people.
Now my coworkers calling into the tri-state area... god bless them.. I don't think I could do it. I would say I talk at a normal pace which is a little slower than those around me here in Boston. New York and Jersey especially, like to hammer out a full blown webex in under 5 minutes if they can.

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John Durham 11 years ago

Originally Posted by JoshN

There's no easy place to get sales.. usually if it's easy to get appointments than that area isn't being dialed into for a reason, because its dead.

After over looking a million calls (literally) I have a different opinion.

Just like we tweak headlines and ppc within moments to see the results of the tweaks, I have sat behind board and swicthed up TSR's leads in hundreds of ways over a long period of time, to see instant results one way or the other.

I can PROMISE you there are definitely some honey pools, that arent dead and are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than other places.

You send you TM's there when you need a spike.

But if you dont believe it thats okay, Im not selling the idea, just stating what I know.

Good to see people coming forward for this.

Originally Posted by JoshN

West coast is not hard at all to call into. I worked both Silicon Valley and LA at different times and I would say they are normal people.

After having spent some time in LA... I dont think they are normal at all. lol (JK-couldnt resist).

A friend of mine owns the Ashram in calabassas county, dont know if anyones familiar, but I used to go spend time out there a couple of weeks out of the year. BEAUTIFUL country.

The Ashram people definitely are not normal. lol
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DianaHeuser

11 years ago

What a great idea. I would definately be a customer.

This would be an awesome joint venture between some of the experts on this forum.

John, in terms of capital, we could all actually contribute and in exchange we possibly pay a lower price per lead?

It's a bit like a concept that is very prevalent in South Africa called a "Stokvel" where a group of people contribute money to a common fund and each person benifits because of the capital available to do stuff that they would not have normally done.

Also, with all the skills on board here, some people could contribute time and skill if they do not have the capital to contribute.

Just a thought

Di

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by DianaHeuser

What a great idea. I would definately be a customer.

This would be an awesome joint venture between some of the experts on this forum.

John, in terms of capital, we could all actually contribute and in exchange we possibly pay a lower price per lead?

Di

I couldnt do that Di, I would rather teach you to find your own telemarketers, but then there are only so many books you can write. The pro ninety people are gonna get some of that though... As soon as I get this Bower report out. That came suddenly, but it would be stoopid to leave on the table.

If somebody rich wanted to lay out 100k and didnt want me to be their best friend everyday for the rest of my life and name my children after them I might, Im not gonna name my child after you, but I will start you a call center that kicks ass like bowers.

Tell me it can be located in Nashville, and you have a deal.

BUT I wouldnt do it to a bunch of people who are just starting out. You need your capital.

I feel like a $20 report is one thing, but I have seen people take significant "investment" money here before from people like that who cant afford it, just leaves a bad taste.

Its no secret that I have built somewhat of a rep and could do it, and pull it off... Could easily raise 30k in the wso section offeing a chance to invest like that...but I wouldnt and you can be promised that.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Ps. I agree that managers and salespeople are two different things. I was promoted alot because even on the phone I would train the people around me...they always sat newbies near me for that reason...So you become what you are vibrationally in line with.

The motivation of a great manager is seeing others succeeding, or seeing a plan come together ...most salespeople only think of money, so its a different mindset.

Money is an afterthought to man on a mission, but always comes.

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LasseKohau

11 years ago

This is a great business model to kick start offline adventures, for someone who sets it up properly. (frontoffice + backoffice)

Just by reading offline marketing forum and searching WF, you have all the info needed, to become a succes + in this thread alone - you have already made your first 3 customers.

You dont even have to advertice.

rgs, Lasse

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John Durham

11 years ago

@ Lasse - "Yup".

He wont have a hiring problem tomorrow by this time.

@ Ken,

Your post also reminded me of this assistant MGR I promoted. He was cocky and had been a great telemarketer... Thought he could manage better than me... Who doesnt right? They all think they can do it better... no matter if its me or you managing.

One day things were rough and he got on the phone for like two hours.... I came in and he was on the phone....and I said "What are you doing"?

He said "Im showing everyone that Im willing to dig in and help and get on the phone when the chips are down, and that Im not better than they are..."

I said "What you need to be doing is 'walking the floor' and holding contests.... You can make $200 per hour on the phone but $5,000 or $10,000 per hour 'off' of it.

Anyway, your story brought that to mind.

Thanks for the great conversation. I love your posts and energy.

Im out. Got two pitches Im up writing. Better get back to work.

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Thanks for the great conversation.

Ditto, thanks for the eye opener

Originally Posted by John Durham

I love your posts and energy.

Really? i was under a different impression, actually i was on the phone with a friend of yours, and the conversation came around to you.

I said two things...

1) i don't think john likes me.

2) i would love to be in the same room with him, each with a phone, and see who came out on top ...

no joke, that's not verbatim, but its pretty darn close.

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

Ditto, thanks for the eye opener

Really? i was under a different impression, actually i was on the phone with a friend of yours, and the conversation came around to you.

I said two things...

1) i don't think john likes me.

2) i would love to be in the same room with him, each with a phone, and see who came out on top ...

no joke, that's not verbatim, but its pretty darn close.

Nope. YOU are a person I could probably be friends with on or offline. Thanks for thinking so highly of me bro...In the end we are all just dust! lol

The only thing that matters is the inspiration we left behind.

{Ps. Ken, you might just beat me! lol I havent competed in a few years, but its always there when its needed...still there's always a new champ on the rise! Never underestimate people.

I'd rather just go have a starbucks and talk shop!

Later guys.

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by John Durham

Nope. YOU are a person I could probably be friends with on or offline. Thanks for thinking so highly of me bro...In the end we are all just dust! lol

The only thing that matters is the inspiration we left behind.

good night brotha !!!

great talk. I mean that.

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Nathan Alexander

11 years ago

All I know is people would be stupid not to learn from both of you.

AND, okay, okay...you can duke it out with my leads. I'll be that nice.

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rolltide

11 years ago

both of yall are rockstars in my book. keep educating us!

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11 years ago

wow experience tells here, very good issue stated here...yaah!

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atrbiz

11 years ago

Well listen up everyone...I would LOVE to setup an official call center with 5-10 telemarketers...I do the capital to set up the operation however I'd need steady business from my fellow Warriors, LOL.

I currently have one telemarketer who is dialing for me part-time, and am comfortable ramping up since I have years of exp with web design/SEO and B2B sales.

I live in Northern VA (which is pricey on real estate) but I could probably find a cheap office space or possibly get a virtual setup...but they would ALL be strictly U.S. based callers.

Thoughts everyone?

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Stranger Danger 11 years ago

Originally Posted by atrbiz

Thoughts everyone?

Do it. There is more than enough demand for it at WF. If you were able/willing to take on commission-only contracts, you could make a LOT of money - especially with all of the residuals.

The only problem I foresee is when you start cherry picking your contracts - choosing the higher-paying/easy-selling contracts; then some of us might be left out.

EDIT: anyone else here experiencing extreme lag with WF today?
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vndnbrgj

11 years ago

I am working on setting up some telemarketers this week.
They are both from the Philippines, but each have over 5 years of one call close experience. I will be selling website design for $97 a month.... 5 page WP sites.
I only need them to sell one each/day.... That shouldn't take 8 hours.

What do you guys want appointments for?
Here is what I would want:
Your script(s)
Your list/target market
Your pre-qual info
Pay per appt.... I am not going on commission.
I understand I could make more, but I know some people won't run appts even if they bought them.

Yes, they are from the Philippines, but they have excellent English. I also looked at 123Employee.com, but I couldn't hear what their people sound like. The rates are good though.

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TOM-M

11 years ago

I know a guy here on WF that already has a call center he is at about $80 an appt I will send him this thread

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MaxwellB

11 years ago

Originally Posted by TOM-M

I know a guy here on WF that already has a call center he is at about $80 an appt I will send him this thread

Good Luck

Me? We do PPC and SEO appointments for $80 each and web design for $50 with American callers.

I mean I don't even know if I'm allowed to say that this forum tries to crucify you if you happen to be offering what people are looking for anywhere other than WSO and the paid areas.

EDIT: Tom! haha I didn't even realize it was you until I thought about it for a second. Thanks for the good word

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Stranger Danger

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MaxwellB

Me? We do PPC and SEO appointments for $80 each and web design for $50 with American callers.

I mean I don't even know if I'm allowed to say that this forum tries to crucify you if you happen to be offering what people are looking for anywhere other than WSO and the paid areas.

EDIT: Tom! haha I didn't even realize it was you until I thought about it for a second. Thanks for the good word

I'll quote you, in case they delete your post...maybe they'll miss mine.

Do you guys do any closing, or just appointment setting? Do you accept commissions/residuals in lieu of one-off payments?

Thanks.

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MaxwellB

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Stranger Danger

I'll quote you, in case they delete your post...maybe they'll miss mine.

Do you guys do any closing, or just appointment setting? Do you accept commissions/residuals in lieu of one-off payments?

Thanks.

I'll send you a PM, for everyone else we do not do closing, I will recruit commission reps for that but there is a recruitment fee, and it's a fee for the labor not a success fee either.

The appointments are guaranteed for quality so commissions are not something we really like to get into. I will however take a lower per appointment with a commission or residual instead.

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11 years ago

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sdentrepreneur

11 years ago

IMO...I think cold calling is a dead end road. If you are serious about handling offline marketing. Why not treat yourself like your own client? Place your business in places where business owners are searching for help. Or attend Chamber, Business Mixers and Networking groups. Much less painless that cold calling.... #iamjustsayin

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kenmichaels

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur

IMO...I think cold calling is a dead end road. If you are serious about handling offline marketing. Why not treat yourself like your own client? Place your business in places where business owners are searching for help. Or attend Chamber, Business Mixers and Networking groups. Much less painless that cold calling.... #iamjustsayin

I have been down that road. I think most of us in sales for any length of time has.
However IMHO. Its a waste of time and effort.

and playing suck up to a bunch of wannabies who are all playing the same game....
that's not what i consider painless.

calling some one , and in 30 seconds they say , not interested and hang up....
Now that's painless.

And on my worst day, i can still contact more people on the phone then you can
in any of your mixers, or meetings...

increasing my odds, and productivity.

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GabeF430

11 years ago

Telemarketing hands down is the best form of b2b marketing.

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

I have been down that road. I think most of us in sales for any length of time has.
However IMHO. Its a waste of time and gas.

and playing suck up to a bunch of wannabies who are all playing the same game....
that's not what i consider painless.

calling some one , and in 30 seconds they say , not interested and hang up....
Now that's painless.

And on my worst day, i can contact more people on the phone then you can
in any of your mixers, or meetings...

increasing my odds, and productivity.

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tgjason

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur

IMO...I think cold calling is a dead end road. If you are serious about handling offline marketing. Why not treat yourself like your own client? Place your business in places where business owners are searching for help. Or attend Chamber, Business Mixers and Networking groups. Much less painless that cold calling.... #iamjustsayin

No offense, this being my first post and whatnot, but you are flat out wrong.

To touch on what ken said, but more bluntly, you're not going to make a fraction doing what you're suggesting in comparison to cold calling.

The fact of the matter is most businesses don't advertise their needs, actually most businesses don't address their needs until it's too late. Cold calling not only brings these needs to their attention (i.e the lay me down leads) but it also creates needs for most businesses and creates more sales for the go getting cold callers.

I'm sorry, but if attending Chamber Mixers ("business networking payola" honestly) and so forth generated more business than cold calling, appointment setting/outbound telemarketing wouldn't be a billion dollar industry, gentlemen like John Durham wouldn't be legends and getting paid handsomely for their telemarketing reports and more business servicemen would be joining their local Chambers instead of paying telemarketing firms good sums of money to do their prospecting for them.

While attending Chamber mixers may be more painless, it's also far more fruitless. #imjustsayin.

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zuhaib1111

11 years ago

i have a call center in Pakistan zemtech@live-com

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Saito

11 years ago

I've been saying for 10 years that someone should set up a call center and phone contact people in foreclosure all over the U.S.

Also for 10 years, I've been saying that it sure as hell isn't going to be me, lol

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kirbymurphy

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PPC-Coach

I would do it but:

- I suck at cold calling
- I don't write good scripts
- I don't like doing it
- I can't manage the call center myself
- I've got too many other projects going to tackle this one

So would someone please do this? Charge me a fixed rate to start per day per caller then switch to a CPA model once we know how much it costs to land a client. I would take a phone appointment with a legit business owner as a conversion.

When you've got it up and running, please let me know and I'll be your first customer.

Your city probably has several TM firms that would do this.
Probably many cheapos off-shore, but I personally hate the accent from most foreign call centers

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Deidra Renee

11 years ago

I was thinking of doing some appointment setting for a few people that have asked me about it. I'm talking about actually calling myself, I don't want to deal with the whole callcenter thing.

If I can ever get away from these insurance agents and setting appointments for them, I may place an ad in the warriors for hire section, it'll just be hard for me to only make a certain amount knowing I could of closed the deal myself and kept all of the money lol

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mojo1

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Deidra Renee

I was thinking of doing some appointment setting for a few people that have asked me about it. I'm talking about actually calling myself, I don't want to deal with the whole callcenter thing.

If I can ever get away from these insurance agents and setting appointments for them, I may place an ad in the warriors for hire section, it'll just be hard for me to only make a certain amount knowing I could of closed the deal myself and kept all of the money lol

I'm doing this very thing for another warrior right now. Gave up on the idea of attempting to close any deals for myself for the next 3 or 4 months. I really don't want to handle technical fulfillment in any capacity. I've just decided to be an apprentice learning this business from the ground up for awhile.

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David Neale

11 years ago

Much easier to book an appointment for a local than closing a deal on the phone. I would hire you right now. I would suggest a fixed fee per appointment PLUS a percentage of the sale. PLUS a percentage of the residual (I try and sell as much residual services as possible, not really interested in one offs).

It's a team approach. I need somebody who is IM savvy, hard working and persistent BUT you need somebody who is honest, a great salesperson AND is focused on recurring income so that you benefit.

Unless of course all of your profit is simply in the price to book the appointment but then, as you say, there is the temptation to sell them something yourself which becomes a conflict of interest.

Originally Posted by Deidra Renee

I was thinking of doing some appointment setting for a few people that have asked me about it. I'm talking about actually calling myself, I don't want to deal with the whole callcenter thing.

If I can ever get away from these insurance agents and setting appointments for them, I may place an ad in the warriors for hire section, it'll just be hard for me to only make a certain amount knowing I could of closed the deal myself and kept all of the money lol

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John Durham

11 years ago

Originally Posted by David Neale

Much easier to book an appointment for a local than closing a deal on the phone. I would hire you right now. I would suggest a fixed fee per appointment PLUS a percentage of the sale. PLUS a percentage of the residual (I try and sell as much residual services as possible, not really interested in one offs).

It's a team approach. I need somebody who is IM savvy, hard working and persistent BUT you need somebody who is honest, a great salesperson AND is focused on recurring income so that you benefit.

Unless of course all of your profit is simply in the price to book the appointment but then, as you say, there is the temptation to sell them something yourself which becomes a conflict of interest.

Here's all I can tell you about Deidra David.

She got ahold of my third volume TM report, and was introduced to a new concept and business model that hadnt been talked about before.

She , JUST from what she read, was able to start implementing it from her home office, and started making a sale every single day (phone close) on the phone.

I dont know what expertise you need for your particular situation, but Deidra is an experienced caller with GREAT moral and work ethics. I would hire her. Even if it took a week to acclimate, she would be worth developing as a telemarketing partner.

She would also be honest with you if it wasnt for her, and not burn your money.

Hope this helps.

Edit Funny, I didnt even read your whole post and practically met all your requirements describing her.

IM Savvy I dont know, but a "quick study" yes!

I dont even see why she would want to work for someone else honestly, unless that its just her wanting to focus on a couple hours per day of easy phone work without all the rest. I can see that, good money, easy lifestyle, no responsibility except 2-3 hours on the phone per day...

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