Is the Offline Niche Just About Dead?

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I've got an Offline product I've had on the drawing board since I began working with offline businesses in a medium-size market the last 18 months. I now have the time to seriously develop it and do a WSO. But, IS SELLING TO OFFLINE CONSULTANTS JUST ABOUT DEAD? I don't want to waste my time if selling to other offliners is in decline but wanted to see what you guys thought. Comments?
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by lonestar164 View Post

    I've got an Offline product I've had on the drawing board for a while. It's time has come to seriously develop it and do a WSO. But, IS SELLING TO OFFLINE CONSULTANTS JUST ABOUT DEAD? I've got plenty of other projects I could invest my time in but wanted to see what you guys thought. Comments?
    uuuhhhmmmm...

    If you have to ask us that, why would anybody want to buy a offline WSO from you?

    And more to the point, How can you even think about selling one to begin with?
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    • Profile picture of the author lonestar164
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      uuuhhhmmmm...

      If you have to ask us that, why would anybody want to buy a offline WSO from you?

      And more to the point, How can you even think about selling one to begin with?
      It's called market research. One article says it's dead, another says it's still strong. I'm asking to see if it's worth the effort. It's what I do (offline) and now I've got some time to develop something from experience. It's just a simple question about a niche, not about my character or abilities. Just a market research question. If you've got an opinion about the question, thanks in advance for your input.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    What kind of product?
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  • Profile picture of the author FormerWageSlave
    Yep. Dead. Nothing left and no one here but us chickens.
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  • Profile picture of the author agonce
    Then why are you wasting your time posting on the forums? Go work on your next 'big project' instead
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Sorry... but you're an absolute moron that is uninformed about the niche if you have to ask if it's dead or not. No offense.. I know you're just asking a question, but we aren't very kind to people wanting to profit off offline consultants who don't know jack about our market.

    Is the offline niche responsive to WSO's and garbage products? Not as receptive as internet marketing niche. The reason is most people here are very savvy. ALSO... there are far more threads in this forum offering much more value than any of the WSO's.

    WSO's of the day in the past month have all been techniques mentioned in this forum, in great detail.

    I'm with Ken.. You just showed the forum that you're unqualified.. even if it isn't true, perception is everything.
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    • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      Sorry... but you're an absolute moron that is uninformed.
      Seriously? and then saying "no offence" Really??!!

      Youre a "moron" for talking to people like that. ii don't care what type of question he/she asked this is not the way to talk to people, period.

      Some people here have a really ****ed up attitude, it is really sad that anytime someone asked a question, responses like this come out... ohw well...
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      • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess:

        you're an absolute moron

        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia:

        Youre a "moron" ...this is not the way to talk to people, period.
        -Uhhh. So he's a moron for calling someone a moron - even though you just called him a moron?


        This thread is changing my life.
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        • Profile picture of the author iRunThis
          Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

          -Uhhh. So he's a moron for calling someone a moron - even though you just called him a moron?


          This thread is changing my life.
          ...And to top it all off, that would be an oxymoron.
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          • Profile picture of the author cjt1971
            Originally Posted by iRunThis View Post

            ...And to top it all off, that would be an oxymoron.
            All this thread needs, a punster!

            If by dead you're referring to info products, look up consultant on Amazon. There's a ton of hardcopy books for sale. An example would be Bettger's How I Raised Myself From Failure to Success in Selling. It's been selling for decades.

            People will always buy info products. But who are you targeting? Those new to the field, those who've been doing it a while, inexperienced with programming, experienced with programming, etc.? Like everything else, niche down. Think building blocks. You could offer one for beginners and then build on this to intermediate and then advanced. Eventually you would have a series where you take them from just making quick cash to setting up a long-term business that would have the potential for a multi-million dollar/yr business. And then after selling each block individually you could then offer a deal where all the building blocks are offered together. But for something like this you should also have a site and be able to prove your success.

            Still doesn't deal with the dead chickens though.
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      • Profile picture of the author MonteMichaels
        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        Seriously? and then saying "no offence" Really??!!

        Youre a "moron" for talking to people like that. ii don't care what type of question he/she asked this is not the way to talk to people, period.

        Some people here have a really ****ed up attitude, it is really sad that anytime someone asked a question, responses like this come out... ohw well...
        Come on now. Any time someone mentions cold calling you attack with the same attitude.
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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    Junk is dead....
    Quality is ever green....

    Which one do you have?
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    LOL. Go fish for free information in one of the other sub-forums. It's people like you that give this forum a bad reputation; info-product 'resellers' that don't practice what they preach.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjt1971
    Yes it is. No one can make money at it anymore. Even the chickens have died.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    Yea, nothing out there.

    It's dead. Like a ghost town out there.

    Will you send me a link to your WSO though?

    Sounds like you have the "answer"
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    • Profile picture of the author lonestar164
      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      Yea, nothing out there.

      It's dead. Like a ghost town out there.

      Will you send me a link to your WSO though?

      Sounds like you have the "answer"
      Will be glad to send you a link, if I pursue it, but it's not THE answer. It will be good, but not a cure-all.
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    • Profile picture of the author payoman
      Could you explain how you 'are in offline' yet you are asking if it's dead or not?

      That's a little bit of a paradox isn't it?

      And your hostile reception is probably because you are essentially coming in asking :

      "Are you guys willing to buy **** from me if I make it?"

      I would assume.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by payoman View Post

        Could you explain how you 'are in offline' yet you are asking if it's dead or not?

        That's a little bit of a paradox isn't it?

        And your hostile reception is probably because you are essentially coming in asking :

        "Are you guys willing to buy **** from me if I make it?"

        I would assume.
        Ding ding ding, well said payoman.
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  • Profile picture of the author lonestar164
    Well, let's see, so far I'm a moron, a bottom-feeder looking for free information, the poster child for someone who gives this forum a bad name, and someone who peddles rehashed PLR. All that from asking a question about offline. In the "Offline Marketing Discussions" sub-forum.

    I was asking a simple question. Didn't know I needed to hang out all of my credentials. Okay, I'll play along. I've been in marketing for 23 years. I've been doing offline marketing successfully for 18 months now. I've been inundated with all kinds of stuff on offline marketing like everybody else has. I've finally got to a place where I can put together an offline product built from experience, both success and failure. It's not PLR. It will have a high level of excellence.

    But I'm coming to the dance late. I'm just asking if it's over. I thought the Offline sub-forum would be an appropriate place to ask. If you have an opinion on the question, I would appreciate your reply to the poll. If not, may God bless your online business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
      Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

      Will you send me a link to your WSO though?

      Sounds like you have the "answer"
      -My face just exploded with this. Thanks.



      Originally Posted by lonestar164 View Post

      Well, let's see, so far I'm a moron, a bottom-feeder looking for free information, the poster child for someone who gives this forum a bad name, and someone who peddles rehashed PLR. All that from asking a question about offline. In the "Offline Marketing Discussions" sub-forum.

      I was asking a simple question. Didn't know I needed to hang out all of my credentials. Okay, I'll play along. I've been in marketing for 23 years. I've been doing offline marketing successfully for 18 months now. I've been inundated with all kinds of stuff on offline marketing like everybody else has. I've finally got to a place where I can put together an offline product built from experience, both success and failure. It's not PLR. It will have a high level of excellence.

      But I'm coming to the dance late. I'm just asking if it's over. I thought the Offline sub-forum would be an appropriate place to ask. If you have an opinion on the question, I would appreciate your reply to the poll. If not, may God bless your online business.
      -This rebuttal doesn't help your case, I'm afraid.

      "It will have a high level of excellence." -Classic.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by lonestar164 View Post

      Well, let's see, so far I'm a moron, a bottom-feeder looking for free information, the poster child for someone who gives this forum a bad name, and someone who peddles rehashed PLR. All that from asking a question about offline. In the "Offline Marketing Discussions" sub-forum.

      I was asking a simple question. Didn't know I needed to hang out all of my credentials. Okay, I'll play along. I've been in marketing for 23 years. I've been doing offline marketing successfully for 18 months now. I've been inundated with all kinds of stuff on offline marketing like everybody else has. I've finally got to a place where I can put together an offline product built from experience, both success and failure. It's not PLR. It will have a high level of excellence.

      But I'm coming to the dance late. I'm just asking if it's over. I thought the Offline sub-forum would be an appropriate place to ask. If you have an opinion on the question, I would appreciate your reply to the poll. If not, may God bless your online business.
      No one cares how long you've been doing something.. no one cares about offline WSOs either... people care about people that offer value. Posting a WSO on your experience isn't going to get anywhere, no one knows about you and nobody cares.

      It isn't about asking a question.. it is about your intentions to make money off of us when you don't even know the offline market in here.

      Maybe stay around, contribute and find out for yourself and see if what you can offer here is anything anyone is interested in.
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    • Profile picture of the author StevieJK
      Originally Posted by lonestar164 View Post

      I've been doing offline marketing successfully for 18 months now.
      So why ask if offline marketing is dead then when you know from your own experience that it is not!?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aussieguy
    (a) There's all kinds of info products aimed at offline consultants still being sold on the internet, so obviously there is a market.
    (b) You certainly don't have to sell quality, as there are certainly many who don't. But this particular forum appreciates quality, and pretty much tells it as it is (though not always). If you have something quality to sell, you'll probably do well in the sub-niche of those who look for quality products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Barrs
    No, it's not dead. Nothing is (in marketing terms)


    People want to make money.
    People want to save money.
    People want to lose weight.
    People want to look better.
    People want others to like them.
    People want to feel loved.

    These needs have been around for thousands of years. If you can package something that will hep them get what they want, they will buy it.

    Ignore the panic merchants. They either write form the point of view that they have no clue what they're doing (therefore their marketing efforts *are* dead), or they are gearing you up to buy their "next solution" because they miraculously discovered some way to get round such - and - such being dead and they know there are thousands of gullible "people" wanting to ...

    make more money.
    save more money.
    lose more weight.
    look better.
    feel better.

    etc etc etc.

    Paul Barrs

    PS. Right now the 'offline' side of my internet business (which I've been doing for 11 years and never bought one single WSO) has never been healthier. I've got more work than I can handle on my own. It's so damn busy in fact that it's starting to impact upon my online business, which really ticks me off.
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  • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
    Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

    -Uhhh. So he's a moron for calling someone a moron - even though you just called him a moron?


    This thread is changing my life.
    Yeah because he has the attitude of a moron, i sit really that hard for you to understand that you don't talk to people that way? only morons do imho...
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    • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
      Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

      Yeah because he has the attitude of a moron, i sit really that hard for you to understand that you don't talk to people that way? only morons do imho...
      -Well said. I don't believe you could have made your point any clearer.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        Seriously? and then saying "no offence" Really??!!

        Youre a "moron" for talking to people like that. ii don't care what type of question he/she asked this is not the way to talk to people, period.

        Some people here have a really ****ed up attitude, it is really sad that anytime someone asked a question, responses like this come out... ohw well...
        Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

        Yeah because he has the attitude of a moron, i sit really that hard for you to understand that you don't talk to people that way? only morons do imho...
        ROFL..

        You realize, you just called yourself a moron, right?

        The funniest thing is, you're so upset about the "attitude" of people, yet I called him a moron and gave him better advice and added more value than you have so far.

        Also, next time quote the full sentence, and following sentences for me. K? Thanks buddy.
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        • Profile picture of the author YellowGreenMedia
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          ROFL..

          You realize, you just called yourself a moron, right?

          The funniest thing is, you're so upset about the "attitude" of people, yet I called him a moron and gave him better advice and added more value than you have so far.

          Also, next time quote the full sentence, and following sentences for me. K? Thanks buddy.
          I am not upset far from it, i just think its wrong calling people names, there is a difference, and calling someone a moron and then giving "good advice" makes it ok then?

          Guess i have other standards of how to communicate with and respect other members...

          Ohw well...

          Have a good day
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          • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
            Originally Posted by YellowGreenMedia View Post

            I am not upset far from it, i just think its wrong calling people names, there is a difference, and calling someone a moron and then giving "good advice" makes it ok then?

            Guess i have other standards of how to communicate with and respect other members...

            Ohw well...

            Have a good day
            You say you have standards, but you have done the same thing, have you not? If it's wrong, then why did you do it? That is what we would call hypocritical.

            There is a difference between saying... You're a moron IF... and saying hey, yellowgreenmedia, you're a moron.

            Of course with me saying it, I can see how someone can get offended. My goal wasn't to offend and lonestar, if you feel upset and attacked and that you're a victim, I apologize. That wasn't my intention.
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  • Profile picture of the author wilder1047
    Man, let's just end this...

    You can see that this part of the forum is alive and well with a large amount of responses to your thread in just the past few hours alone, which means there are in fact people browsing this section of the forum.

    If you're going to make a WSO, don't make it the usual "brand new system to get clients without cold calling!" because, we've all pretty much become immune to that stuff, and the best methods have been shared right here for free. **John Durham, iamnameless, kaniganj to name a few...**

    What I think would be a hit would be to come up with some niches that you've absolutely killed it for a client for. So, say you've taken on a client with a car dealership and you tripled his revenues in the first 2 months, make a WSO around how exactly you did, so then it can be duplicated and the consultant who purchased your WSO can now duplicate your system to do the same for a car dealership in their local area.

    The people that are past the "how do I get clients?" phase are the ones that are going to succeed, and they're not the ones being targeted with WSO's. Because, speaking from experience, I've gotten past the, can't get clients, and gone to the.. "how do I get them the best results now?" phase.
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    • Profile picture of the author Charles Harper
      Originally Posted by wilder1047 View Post

      Man, let's just end this...

      You can see that this part of the forum is alive and well with a large amount of responses to your thread in just the past few hours alone, which means there are in fact people browsing this section of the forum.

      If you're going to make a WSO, don't make it the usual "brand new system to get clients without cold calling!" because, we've all pretty much become immune to that stuff, and the best methods have been shared right here for free. **John Durham, iamnameless, kaniganj to name a few...**

      What I think would be a hit would be to come up with some niches that you've absolutely killed it for a client for. So, say you've taken on a client with a car dealership and you tripled his revenues in the first 2 months, make a WSO around how exactly you did, so then it can be duplicated and the consultant who purchased your WSO can now duplicate your system to do the same for a car dealership in their local area.

      The people that are past the "how do I get clients?" phase are the ones that are going to succeed, and they're not the ones being targeted with WSO's. Because, speaking from experience, I've gotten past the, can't get clients, and gone to the.. "how do I get them the best results now?" phase.
      I think you are on point here. It (the Offline Niche) isn't dead, just evolving. And if the products are not necessarily selling the way they used to, it could be due to the fact that there are not a lot of experiences that people can speak to about the subject of increasing a business owner's profits.

      Steve Rosenbaum has a lot of success selling to offliners, because he is working with them to get their clients more business. I think that is key. That, to me, means that his programs will sell very well into the future.

      But, that said, client getting programs (for consultants) will always sell....as they have for decades in every single market or niche. Zig Ziglar, Les Brown, yada yada.... If you Google consultative sales, or do a search In Amazon, you will see more "information products" than you can shake a stick at. It is perceived that they are less relevant, than information products that you can purchase here. I will not argue the case of whether they are or are not.

      But back to the point, if you can show consultants how to get their clients more success, they will happily pay you. But perhaps the days of showing up with a new shiny method may end. And if indeed it does...is that a bad thing?

      CT
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Rosenbaum
        Thank you for the mention, Charles, and I'm glad you pointed out the difference between selling offline products and helping people build a successful offline business. I am committed to the latter.

        Originally Posted by Charles Harper View Post

        I think you are on point here. It (the Offline Niche) isn't dead, just evolving. And if the products are not necessarily selling the way they used to, it could be due to the fact that there are not a lot of experiences that people can speak to about the subject of increasing a business owner's profits.

        Steve Rosenbaum has a lot of success selling to offliners, because he is working with them to get their clients more business. I think that is key. That, to me, means that his programs will sell very well into the future.

        But, that said, client getting programs (for consultants) will always sell....as they have for decades in every single market or niche. Zig Ziglar, Les Brown, yada yada.... If you Google consultative sales, or do a search In Amazon, you will see more "information products" than you can shake a stick at. It is perceived that they are less relevant, than information products that you can purchase here. I will not argue the case of whether they are or are not.

        But back to the point, if you can show consultants how to get their clients more success, they will happily pay you. But perhaps the days of showing up with a new shiny method may end. And if indeed it does...is that a bad thing?

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  • Profile picture of the author econnors
    I think you guys may be a bit hard on the OP. It doesn't sound like he's asking if "offline marketing" itself is dead but rather if people in the offline marketing space are still buying products and WSOs to learn from. He wants to know whether it is worthwhile for him to release his own WSO.

    That said, I did reply to the survey, but I don't think it's dead. There is plenty of space for a good (read: relevant) WSO. New people (like me) are coming into the offline space all of the time.

    Before you consider releasing your WSO, though, I think you should look around and contribute to the community here. There's a great group of folks here, and they are very knowledgeable. Target your product appropriately and you'll be fine.

    Take care, and don't give up on your idea! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxwellB
    As long as there are offline small businesses there will be offline consultants to help them grow, and as long as there are offline consultants there will be a market to help them be more successful.

    It's a basic basic basic basic concept

    ....the issue is if you don't know that.......nuff said
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Am I the only one who thinks you have the wrong SUBJECT HEADER on this thread?

    I assumed you were asking if Offline Marketing was 'dead', not whether offline niche products still sell to consultants. Offline niche products, at least in the WSO forum, are the third best-selling product category.

    I'll just add that the overall competition in the wso forum is quite stiff. An average of 20+ new wso's a day and the average wso sells less than 25 copies. (excluding 'mega' launches).
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    If you have real, rare expertise that helps people make money in a niche, then you can have a successful product. Offline is alive and kicking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saito
    My thoughts:

    Subject of thread is inaccurate
    Irony detected in original post
    Legitimate question being posed
    Negative crowd overreaction

    The OP might be good at his sub-niche within the enormous and broad umbrella called "Offline Marketing." But he doesn't claim to know everything. The question seems to be more about market perception.
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
    Originally Posted by lonestar164 View Post

    I've got an Offline product I've had on the drawing board since I began working with offline businesses in a medium-size market the last 18 months. I now have the time to seriously develop it and do a WSO. But, IS SELLING TO OFFLINE CONSULTANTS JUST ABOUT DEAD? I don't want to waste my time if selling to other offliners is in decline but wanted to see what you guys thought. Comments?
    Obviously "offline" is still alive and kickin' as there are still businesses open.

    The "offline" as a niche is a different subject, and I would have to say no.

    Having been around since the "offline gold" days and when the niche hit hard with IM'ers I have seen it transform. Just like any other topic or niche it goes through its ups and downs.

    At first it was only a few of us(literally, a few), and then as more and more people jumped in some came up with awesome plans while others rehashed existing material(just like other IM fields). It did get a little stale there for a small bit but its still going strong as ever...especially as technology advances.

    Just my .02 worth though.

    keith
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  • Profile picture of the author David B.
    Yes do a WSO. I will buy it if I see its something that I need or better my offline business. I will definitely asked for a refund if its rehashed.
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  • Profile picture of the author iRunThis
    Ok, now for my two cents.

    A complete niche, whether it be the niche itself or a product of that niche, NEVER completely dies. It changes, of course. It might even do a complete 360, but it never dies. Especially a niche as big as offline marketing.

    If you gave a little more specifics, maybe we could tell you if your ebook would sell or not. I doubt that it's a book covering every aspect of Offline Marketing. What does your ebook cover?

    I noticed before that somebody asked for more information about your ebook and you told them that they don't need to know and all you need to know is if it's dead or not. So I'm assuming you'll be one of those WSO sellers that keeps the sales page a mystery instead of telling people exactly what they're going to learn or receive from your ebook. I've seen a lot of those, "INSIDE You will find out EXACTLY how to make money! I can't tell you how unless you buy it though... Trust me" type ebooks. The refund rates are through the roof, that's not the route you want to go.

    This was also stated before, but the offline marketing section of the forum is probably the most valuable sub-forum of the entire WF. There's so much that you can learn in here. Mainly because people are more into selling results to business owners rather than selling how to products to people on the internet. So they don't mind giving it away.

    Also, if you really wanted to sell your ebook to people on this forum, the most practical method would be to make a post giving away some of the information. If people find it new and valuable, they WILL look into buying your ebook.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    Offline Marketing is slamming busy....only if you are highly trained and staying up to date with new technology. Every business MUST have a Mobile App by the end of 2012 of their business will be dead, not this industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author lonestar164
    Thank you all for your feedback, whether it was positive or negative. I'll admit the question could have been phrased a little better in retrospect but thank you for reading my intentions in between the lines. I assure you there was nothing diabolical about it. I was just trying to get an idea from other offline marketers if they feel the market for helpful, quality offline resources was oversaturated. It wasn't a pre-sell (there were no specifics, so there was nothing to pre-sell).


    As some have asked, I didn't mention the details of what I've been working on because 1) the intention of my question had to do with the offline market in general, and 2) I didn't want the replies to get distracted in evaluating the particular offer rather than the state of the market. A better worded question would have put the focus on the state of offline marketer's reception to helpful, quality solutions.

    I think what I was looking for was a response like "If I get an email for one more offline resource I'm gonna puke" and a "I'm always on the lookout for quality offline solutions" and everything in between. What I'm hearing is if it meets a real need, there's enough of an interest to at least look at it. The quality still has to be there, but no one's running from offline like they are from, say, Adsense post-Panda.

    One last thing. Something else I'm walking away with is an obvious lesson in posting a question on the WF. Nevertheless, thanks for your feedback, positive or negative, volatile or calm. I appreciate your input.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by lonestar164 View Post

      One last thing. Something else I'm walking away with is an obvious lesson in posting a question on the WF. Nevertheless, thanks for your feedback, positive or negative, volatile or calm. I appreciate your input.
      Much respect.. you have handled yourself quite well in a hostile environment!

      A lot of people can learn from you just by how you have responded to answers that may not have been ideal or necessarily wanted. A lot of people come on here and ask a question or advice, and want criticism but when they receive it they go crazy. You didn't do that, so props to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I'll be honest the thing that confused me the most was the simple fact you said you were working in the offline arena... but then asked if it was dead.

    How can it be dead if YOU are working in it? Its such an obvious question.

    Even though the header is incongruent with your post, that alone confused me. Offline is a VERY large market in its own right and will never die. Not as long as mail and phone are around.

    I also realize the thread has calmed down not trying to stir anything back up but iamnameless made an excellent point. You're trying to sell information to offline consultants while knowing apparently little to nothing about THEIR NICHE.

    As far as looking bad, I say no, as long as you understand where people are coming from, and are willing to keep an opend mind, people will respect that.
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    • Profile picture of the author lonestar164
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      I'll be honest the thing that confused me the most was the simple fact you said you were working in the offline arena... but then asked if it was dead.

      How can it be dead if YOU are working in it? Its such an obvious question.

      Even though the header is incongruent with your post, that alone confused me. Offline is a VERY large market in its own right and will never die. Not as long as mail and phone are around.

      I also realize the thread has calmed down not trying to stir anything back up but iamnameless made an excellent point. You're trying to sell information to offline consultants while knowing apparently little to nothing about THEIR NICHE.

      As far as looking bad, I say no, as long as you understand where people are coming from, and are willing to keep an opend mind, people will respect that.
      I understand the confusion. I didn't word the question very well. I've enjoyed making a good living in the cities in my area with local businesses still operating like it's 1999. I intended to guage whether offline marketers had grown blind to offline products/offers/services. It was the shiny new thing for quite a while. A lot of people tried it and bailed. The flood of offline stuff seemed to never end.

      I understand you don't know me. As IamNameLess rightly pointed out, the only currency that matters here is contributing to the community. I think some of the comments were too presumptuous about my intentions and especially about my abilities, but equity on this forum is doubly important. Lesson learned.

      Thanks for your comments. I'm walking away from this post with the gist that now more than ever quality matters. A lot of the wanna-be's have gone home and there are more pros around than ever before, and the pros are still looking for solutions to make them better. Personally, I would rather do business with someone like that than be another shiny object. I'm glad the flood of "shiny objects" hasn't inoculated the market for offline professionals.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zen Productions
        Originally Posted by lonestar164 View Post

        I understand the confusion. I didn't word the question very well. I've enjoyed making a good living in the cities in my area with local businesses still operating like it's 1999. I intended to guage whether offline marketers had grown blind to offline products/offers/services. It was the shiny new thing for quite a while. A lot of people tried it and bailed. The flood of offline stuff seemed to never end.

        I understand you don't know me. As IamNameLess rightly pointed out, the only currency that matters here is contributing to the community. I think some of the comments were too presumptuous about my intentions and especially about my abilities, but equity on this forum is doubly important. Lesson learned.

        Thanks for your comments. I'm walking away from this post with the gist that now more than ever quality matters. A lot of the wanna-be's have gone home and there are more pros around than ever before, and the pros are still looking for solutions to make them better. Personally, I would rather do business with someone like that than be another shiny object. I'm glad the flood of "shiny objects" hasn't inoculated the market for offline professionals.
        Hey, got to the party late and I think I could point a couple places to do some market research.

        I was also confused and don't know if you mean Offline marketing is dead (local businesses are no longer interested) or that the Offline Market is dead (people on the warrior forum willing to pay money to learn how to sell businesses). Either way here is a couple of places you could start.

        ONE:
        If its the latter you can start by going to WSOplus. It has all the stats of all the WSO's created and you can see how they did. Just a quick search shows that "Offline Autopsy" made over 1000 sales at a $30 price point. So in this instance I would say the offline market is kicking.

        TWO:
        If its the former and you are trying to see if businesses are still interested; the simple answer is yes. However, the market is at a different sophistication then it was 3, 4 , or even 12 years ago. The No.1 Product Tip: Know Your Market Sophistication | Mindvalley Insights for Online Marketing Techniques
        this 30min training can help you assist your offline market right now. (not affiliated with the people in the video its just great info)

        THREE:
        You have said you have been doing this for awhile so i'm sure i'm just preaching to the choir but target your market. If you are just a "SEO company for your SEO needs" just save yourself time and burn your money.

        A good target could be "I'm a web designer who specializes in making limo sites in the city of Miami FLA"

        Hope any of that helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author zenmack
    Wooo you guys can be like a pack of sharks and Lone is a bleeding piece of raw meet here. WOW. I think I will creep to another thread now. I was wondering the answer myself just for curiosity sake. I'm not going to change what I'm doing (and I'm a total newb at offline), and keep on struggling out there but the title got my curiosity up.

    I think some gurus who are losing dollars on their cough cough oh so magical wso's for online make a million dollars without doing anything products may be behind the rumor of offline being dead.

    I was hoping to find someone else who thought that.

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  • Profile picture of the author zenmack
    Lonestar I made the tragic mistake or error of clicking on your sig link and having to go through 3 or 4 exit pop up's just not to hear Sean Donahoe's voice anymore.

    That won't happen again trust me on that bruh!
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  • Profile picture of the author Eugene Celestine
    Offline niche is not dead. It all depends on the strategy you're using.
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