Cool quick method to find businesses that need their site redone.

I've looked at some of these people's sites, and yes, they look awful.

If you can just do a quick mock-up of their sites using the premothemes sold in a recent wso, I think they will be very impressed.

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lyricaldeb

12 years ago

Hi
What wso is that with premotheme?
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Herschel-W

12 years ago

Unfortunately that WSO was closed.

They had a final offer for those on their mailing list, but it expired on Thursday.

However, their are other wso's selling similar themes in the WF Special Offers section.
They are also really nice looking themes.

premopress

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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Herschel-W

Unfortunately that WSO was closed.

They had a final offer for those on their mailing list, but it expired on Thursday.

However, their are other wso's selling similar themes in the WF Special Offers section.
They are also really nice looking themes.

premopress

Do you have a link to that closed WSO?

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vndnbrgj 12 years ago

Originally Posted by mrtrance

Do you have a link to that closed WSO?

It's Premo Press... By Peter Beattie (sp?) and Jamie "Go Getta" Garside (sp?)... Not sure if Jamie goes by that on here but Peter goes by Skorpion.

You can view the themes at Premopress.com and still pick them up.
But, it won't be at the discount WF prices.
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wilder1047

12 years ago

That`s pretty slick man. Thanks.

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zelgly2

12 years ago

Thanks for the share. Even I didnt know some of the sites. If you havemore do post it too.

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mobear410

12 years ago

Originally Posted by P1

Here's a quick method to find websites that need to be redone.

You already know these people want a website but they took it upon themselves to make their own which looks horrible and has no onpage SEO.

Replace pizza with whatever niche you want.

These are to be searched using Google since I added the "site:" operator.

I am sure there is tons more add on to my list if you wish!

Thank you so very much for bringing this 'trick'

to our attention. I found 3 sites that I am following up with to start with because of this and I will try to remember it when I get around to writing a post about this sort of 'seach engine trick'.

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befree22

12 years ago

Thanks for the tip on DIY sites and the premopress mockup theme.

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njs7227 12 years ago

I can't remember how I even got to this thread - chasing down a rabbit hole, no doubt

I'm helping a client who went to an Intuit seminar and signed up - and, of course, ugly site, can't be found on search engines, not bringing in customers, same old story...

But all of those ugly Intuit sites can be found with:

site:homestead.com (keyword)
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Charles Harper

12 years ago

Hello All,

This was a very thoughtful method.

What pitch have you found to work when contacting these businesses?

CT

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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Charles Harper

Hello All,

This was a very thoughtful method.

What pitch have you found to work when contacting these businesses?

CT

I'd like to know this as well? Do you guys cold call, send email, direct email? Any example of the sort of message you send them that will convince them to get back to you for more details?

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theultimate1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Charles Harper

Hello All,

This was a very thoughtful method.

What pitch have you found to work when contacting these businesses?

CT

Originally Posted by mrtrance

I'd like to know this as well? Do you guys cold call, send email, direct email? Any example of the sort of message you send them that will convince them to get back to you for more details?

I too am interested in understanding how this goes. Let's say I choose the e-mail route. What should my first e-mail to them be like? If I start talking about offering to re-design their site, would it account to SPAM? Warriors, please advise.

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AmarieP

12 years ago

Originally Posted by theultimate1

I too am interested in understanding how this goes. Let's say I choose the e-mail route. What should my first e-mail to them be like? If I start talking about offering to re-design their site, would it account to SPAM? Warriors, please advise.

I know this would take some work but, I would make the their new website first and put it on your domain, then send them an email with the link to view their new website. Most of the time if you just email them and ask to redo it they are going to say no or just delete your email. (even if you say it's for free), but if you send them an email with the link they are going to be curious and they are going to take a look at it, and you might get a response back.

I've done this and I got responses from the ones I already did the website for and none from the ones were I sent an email asking if I can redo their websites.

After you get them hooked and they want the website, sell them on monthly hosting.

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kvnkane

12 years ago

great thread, shall use this method tomorrow, let you know how i get on.

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AmarieP

12 years ago

Thanks for the tip! I will have to put this to use.

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ejunkie

12 years ago

This is very neat.

I am not a designer but this is a great way to find clients who have a need that isn't being fulfilled optimally.

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Aussieguy

12 years ago

Don't get me wrong in posing a negative type question, as I appreciate the share.

Seems like a good bunch to target: they see the value/necessity of a website (unlike some), and they've gone to the time & effort to do something about it (or perhaps a friend/relative).

Okay, question: has anyone using this method found (or not found) the typical owner of such a site to be the cheapskate type? i.e. They're using a free or very cheap provider....because they'd never dream of spending hundreds of dollars (plus hundreds per year in site management) on a website?

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AmarieP

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Aussieguy

Don't get me wrong in posing a negative type question, as I appreciate the share.

Seems like a good bunch to target: they see the value/necessity of a website (unlike some), and they've gone to the time & effort to do something about it (or perhaps a friend/relative).

Okay, question: has anyone using this method found (or not found) the typical owner of such a site to be the cheapskate type? i.e. They're using a free or very cheap provider....because they'd never dream of spending hundreds of dollars (plus hundreds per year in site management) on a website?

That might be true, but it could also mean that they don't know how to create a website ( and don't want to learn) or no one has approach them about creating one for them. It could also mean that when they started their business they just wanted a website, cause like you said they understand the value, maybe now since they been in business for awhile they might want to upgrade to more of a professional design.

It never hurts to ask

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IMHunter

12 years ago

This is a great share. Thanks for sharing.

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12 years ago

Very nice share....Already has my mind flowing with ideas!

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Lori Kelly

12 years ago

Great idea. Thanks. I'll be trying this out next week.

Having dealt with clients who use the freebie site (or in my opinion and what's worse is the freebie blog) are very concerned about money.

I can't count the number of times I have heard "my nephew, niece, friend is in the process of doing our site."

I tell them that's great they have someone who can do the site free. And then I suggest that they use certain plugins, use the Google KWT, etc. They are very intrigued when I mention this free information and most of the time ask me to hold on so they can take notes.

I end the conversation with something like, "If I can help you, please give me a call." Wait a few days and then send them a handwritten note via snail mail thanking them for taking the time to talk to me and if I can be of service in the future, to please call.

For owners I believe I can help grow their businesses, increase their internet presence, I use email and cold calling.

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Dan DaSilva

12 years ago

Interesting idea, one word of caution though before everybody gets too lucky too early:

Think about it, the main reason for businesses going after DIY sites is probably not that they are waiting for an offline consultant to redesign it. The main reason they do it themselves is they can't or don't want to afford a professional doing it! On top of that, when you tell them how miserable their site looks - and you might be absolutely correct - you are directly confronting them, because it is THEIR work you criticize. So, be careful how you approach them or you will waste a lot of time and energy!

The DIY crowd is interesting but don't sell them site design right away for the reasons I mentioned. If you sell them on Facebook Pages or mobile sites or a directory listing, you a) add some low cost, high impact value to the business and are b) perceived unthreatening. Once they gain trust in you and your work, they will be much more likely to agree in redesigning their main website! ;-)

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan DaSilva

Interesting idea, one word of caution though before everybody gets too lucky too early:

Think about it, the main reason for businesses going after DIY sites is probably not that they are waiting for an offline consultant to redesign it. The main reason they do it themselves is they can't or don't want to afford a professional doing it! On top of that, when you tell them how miserable their site looks - and you might be absolutely correct - you are directly confronting them, because it is THEIR work you criticize. So, be careful how you approach them or you will waste a lot of time and energy!

The DIY crowd is interesting but don't sell them site design right away for the reasons I mentioned. If you sell them on Facebook Pages or mobile sites or a directory listing, you a) add some low cost, high impact value to the business and are b) perceived unthreatening. Once they gain trust in you and your work, they will be much more likely to agree in redesigning their main website! ;-)

Best,
Dan

This is so true. Often, the reason these businesses haven't got their own sites is because they are cheap!
However, this doesn't mean they can't be sold to - it could just be that they haven't really thought about it, or someone hasn't offered them the deal when they specifically wanted it.

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BlackMetal

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan DaSilva

Interesting idea, one word of caution though before everybody gets too lucky too early:

Think about it, the main reason for businesses going after DIY sites is probably not that they are waiting for an offline consultant to redesign it. The main reason they do it themselves is they can't or don't want to afford a professional doing it! On top of that, when you tell them how miserable their site looks - and you might be absolutely correct - you are directly confronting them, because it is THEIR work you criticize. So, be careful how you approach them or you will waste a lot of time and energy!

The DIY crowd is interesting but don't sell them site design right away for the reasons I mentioned. If you sell them on Facebook Pages or mobile sites or a directory listing, you a) add some low cost, high impact value to the business and are b) perceived unthreatening. Once they gain trust in you and your work, they will be much more likely to agree in redesigning their main website! ;-)

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Dan

Exactly what I was thinking. I can't stand cheap clients.

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mojo1

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan DaSilva

Interesting idea, one word of caution though before everybody gets too lucky too early:

Think about it, the main reason for businesses going after DIY sites is probably not that they are waiting for an offline consultant to redesign it. The main reason they do it themselves is they can't or don't want to afford a professional doing it! On top of that, when you tell them how miserable their site looks - and you might be absolutely correct - you are directly confronting them, because it is THEIR work you criticize. So, be careful how you approach them or you will waste a lot of time and energy!

The DIY crowd is interesting but don't sell them site design right away for the reasons I mentioned. If you sell them on Facebook Pages or mobile sites or a directory listing, you a) add some low cost, high impact value to the business and are b) perceived unthreatening. Once they gain trust in you and your work, they will be much more likely to agree in redesigning their main website! ;-)

Best,
Dan

I agree with your assessment of presenting non threatening message but offering something of value to gain trust like perhaps a free web audit/analysis or even a mockup website showing a facebook icon and a map of their business.

Of the three I just listed, the diy biz owner would probably gravitate towards the free map of all things. But that's ok. What's simple for us to do with a wp plugin appears like magic to them

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cosmo92

12 years ago

Hello!
Pretty cool information, I will give a try.

Usually this guys didn't want to pay, but from my experience, if you manage to sell just one product (any product - something small or very small) they will be your liftime clients. This are a distinctive clients category.

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harveyronn

12 years ago

Great sharing here about this unique thing. I am also not aware about some of these websites which are mention in your list.

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angel87

12 years ago

Impressive post ..I never read this type of interesting information before this.You definitely did a good job of explaining this issue really clearly. I’m anxious to read some of your other posts.

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12 years ago

Thanks for the post.

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12 years ago

I want to make new friends, is there anyone want to...

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azurews

12 years ago

I would also be careful about attacking their site and their ego. But you could make a mobilized version of their site and go that route instead. Especially if you are targeting the restaurant industry. That would still show your design skills and could lead to an upsell on the main site.

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SergioFelix

12 years ago

I guess "pizza by marco" is not going to enjoy the thousands of requests to redesign his site lol

Great post buddy, I wasn't aware of a few of those sites.

Sergio

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Cool quick method to find businesses that need their site redone.

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