No Reports..-$8 million dollar telemarketing business-3000% returns.

250 replies
***I have decided to let this thread go. If you want to learn how to not introduce ideas, this might be a pretty good thread to learn from. Otherwise don't even waste your time, 90% was pretty much attacks and useless back talk.

I had to defend it, and defend myself. I look forward to continue to offer value, and also continue learning. I have proven myself, and that's good enough for me.


Kindest,

Adam Tyler

Please don't ask for any more reports.



Ok, the the title is not misleading. I have completed a report on a industry/company that has been secretly making millions per year, without their own product, borrowed credibility, $0 upfront offer, one call close and 3,000-4,000% returns. yup.

At first I wanted to write this report to offer as a wso, but I want do something more, so I think I will use this as a good giveaway for some reviews to build up a good list of im, business owners, and salesmen.

Please note, if you have never ran a business, cold called, worked in phone room, or don't like offline methods, then this one won't be for you.


Again this report shows how a 30 year old marketing company sells someone else's product, makes ridiculous 3,000% returns, and is able to one call close.

I am looking to give this away to members who would really appreciate this type of information, and give me good feedback. Also it would help if you have a list. I wanted to put out a lot of value in this one. Break it down and reverse engineer it for sales.

So if you are a active member and can give me some feedback, I would appreciate it.


P.S. Feels nice to be able to offer something of value. Im me for a review copy and what you focus on. Thanks, Adam Tyler
#business3% #dollar #million #returns #telemarketing
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    If something has to be explained in private, its usually because you know it wouldnt stand up to warrior scrutiny on a thread. Thats why people buy my own reports...

    Because I will say it on a thread in GREAT detail....and then let the smartest, most skeptical people come challenge it, and if the info is still good when it all comes down and shakes out... Then it has proven its worth.

    Not afraid for it to be challenged....that is evident. But here its evident that you dont want to let too much out of the bag on a public thread where people can ex[press opinions.

    Let's look at what we have here though...

    Millions per year without their own product?

    Okay, pretty normal so far.... that descfribes about a million companies.

    Borrowed credibility?

    "I do marketing campaigns for some of the most prestigious clientele in America...we represent some of the top fortune 500 companies in the world..."

    NOTE:
    That borrowed credibility was as easy to get as joining link share.

    Theres a million dollar free nugget right there.

    A 30 year old company can one call close?


    Okay. There is a newsflash.

    4,000 percent returns

    ....mean nothing without more details...

    In a nutshell...


    Naw, I think I'll pass but thanks.

    Give me a report on this thread and a reason to act.

    Show me that you want to give. Show me on this thread that the information has more value than 5 sentences...

    Show me that your proposed theories can withstand even the sharpest warriors public scrutiny and that your point will still come out on top...because they couldnt shake it down on the thread...

    Show me that you can share it publicly freely because you are so confident that you are willing to accept challenges, instead of explaining in private.

    Show me what Im going to get by associating with you...it needs to be more than 5 vague sentences... give me something I can salivate over a bit....

    This just makes me feel like Im not sure if Im about to be insulted or not. Not worth the chance with all these other bells and whistles around...

    Try a little harder bro.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6434876].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Damn, pretty harsh there. You mention some good points, but who needs you specifically? I am just offering something for free. not even to join, if it's good enough then they would subscribe. I am more looking into the relationships as well.

    Thanks for taking the time to post. Either way I never contacted you directly and there are many many people who know much less than a person who works for fortune 500. If you don't want it why even try to bash a valid attempt to teach others? Do you contact 90% of the wso's that are promoted for money? lol whoa.

    I will try harder, to offer valuable information blueprint? Ok buddy.

    ...How rude.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435043].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Damn, pretty harsh there. You mention some good points, but who needs you specifically? I am just offering something for free. not even to join, if it's good enough then they would subscribe. I am more looking into the relationships as well.

      Thanks for taking the time to post. Either way I never contacted you directly and there are many many people who know much less than a person who works for fortune 500. If you don't want it why even try to bash a valid attempt to teach others? Do you contact 90% of the wso's that are promoted for money? lol whoa.

      I will try harder, to offer valuable information blueprint? Ok buddy.

      ...How rude.
      Anyone who has been here for a few years is watching this interaction and knows the score... Its your first, but our MILLIONTH...

      Edit: Since this guy edited his op to makes himself a victim, and that big bad John ruined his beautiful intentions to share FREELY and unabashedly with everyone...(roll eyes), then I guess I need to add this note.

      In the end of this thread you can plainly see that this mans intention was not to give...if it were he wouldnt be whining about other warriors and he would still be giving it away in either this thread or another. No one is going to say anything bad about you giving away a free report...just for scamming and not being upfront with your intentions, or giving the forum its dues.

      For a minute I thought he had proved himself and gave him props, but in the END, he proved me right.
      .
      In the end he played on the victim thing and used it as an excuse to snatch back the report that he never wanted to give away in the first place except to those with big lists

      If you csan look past the war vibe and see the turht, that is what happened.

      Call him a victim, but the proof is in the pudding, not the "whining", in the end, he pulled the report. I have free reports around here that have been on the forum for 2 years or... thats because I want to give a free report to everyone- NOT JUST PLUG FOR JVS AND REVIEWS under the giving guise.. I have no regrets about slamming this man. I almost did regret it for a minute, but he came back and proved me right. If he wanted to list it, it would be listed on another thread right now.


      Back to the thread dialogue.

      @ Newbiz

      Just some advice from someone with a mailing list....you offered, I just responded and considered your offer out loud.

      So lets see the blueprint...

      Is it strong enough to still be sellable after a few thousand views and comments?

      If so I want it, but if it cant be revealed publicly then, your intent is not to share, and it probably wouldnt stand up for 20 posts before it was dismantled by the other business people here.

      You dont need me... thats the answer to the one question... but if you are smart you will "want" what I know.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435073].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Damn, pretty harsh there. You mention some good points, but who needs you specifically? I am just offering something for free. not even to join, if it's good enough then they would subscribe. I am more looking into the relationships as well.

      Thanks for taking the time to post. Either way I never contacted you directly and there are many many people who know much less than a person who works for fortune 500. If you don't want it why even try to bash a valid attempt to teach others? Do you contact 90% of the wso's that are promoted for money? lol whoa.

      I will try harder, to offer valuable information blueprint? Ok buddy.

      ...How rude.
      You're. showing your "rookie-ness" here... lol

      Guess I'll read through the rest of the thread. I'm a little
      bored right now and this has the potential to be very entertaining!
      Signature
      If you knew what I know you'd be doing what I do...
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445428].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author fastviper
        Hey Newbiz,

        Could you please PM me a copy..

        Really appreciate it, Thanks.

        jack
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445498].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    and btw you never even asked to see the report. Read it before bashing something sir.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435055].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    I do respect your rank here.

    You didn't read the report, and I wasn't selling you. I wanted to get it out to the right people who understood that type of information.

    I reverse engineered their process to help understand why it worked and how I can implement it into other ventures.

    .. I decided not to put it out because it's kind of grey hat. However it's good information and the company continues to bank..

    I would be pretty interested what you think though.. lol.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435195].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      .. I decided not to put it out because it's kind of grey hat. However it's good information and the company continues to bank..
      Yeah if there is any grey it wouldnt stand past ten posts on a WF thread. Better decision to introduce privately.

      Good luck with it. Looking forward to Toms review.

      Okay this was fun... cya guys.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435311].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jhonmendieta
    Hey, send it to me , I have been doing prospecting for 8 years , so I'd really judge objectively ,
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435212].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
    Newbiz,

    Ha, ha, ha, love the tortiuosness between you and John Durham. I understand where from John resides and he makes great points. His experience bells have gone off and he was kind enough to say so. He didn't have to say a word so he really should be thanked.

    Now, having said that, I'll come from a different point. If you are so inclined to send me the report, I will read it and post an honest in depth review on this thread. For all I know you may be on to something that is revolutionary.

    After that, buyer beware, semper fi and all that other good s***.

    BTW, there is an alternative venue on this forum. It is called Warriors wanting to hire you. A lot of people use it to get reviews for their product before they go WSO.

    Tom

    Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

    Ok, the the title is not misleading. I have completed a report on a industry/company that has been secretly making millions per year, without their own product, borrowed credibility, $0 upfront offer, one call close and 3,000-4,000% returns. yup.

    At first I wanted to write this report to offer as a wso, but I want do something more, so I think I will use this as a good giveaway for some reviews to build up a good list of im, business owners, and salesmen.

    Please note, if you have never ran a business, cold called, worked in phone room, or don't like offline methods, then this one won't be for you.


    Again this report shows how a 30 year old marketing company sells someone else's product, makes ridiculous 3,000% returns, and is able to one call close.

    I am looking to give this away to members who would really appreciate this type of information, and give me good feedback. Also it would help if you have a list. I wanted to put out a lot of value in this one. Break it down and reverse engineer it for sales.

    So if you are a active member and can give me some feedback, I would appreciate it.


    P.S. Feels nice to be able to offer something of value. Im me for a review copy and what you focus on. Thanks, Adam Tyler
    Signature
    Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

    The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435221].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    30 year old company, sounds like they probably have brand awareness, hence the one call close. Nothing special here it seems.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435296].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
      nope they use borrowed credibility... I can't send any pms till I have 50 posts, so I'm going to go try to help out 15 threads, and I will be able to reply soon. Thanks guys.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435358].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
        Just pmed you my email address. The system didn't give me a reject notice so I believe you received it. If not, let me know via a post and we'll work out something.

        Tom
        Signature
        Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

        The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435394].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Quick off the cuff example...

    A 30 year call center that calls on behalf of the local law enforcement precinct off of card tables and creates a million per year in local donations, produces a 4,000% return and uses borrowed credibility....

    I could write a whole report about it and use the same selling points you do here...

    Again this is weak. Not enough substance to even give a second wonder to.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435385].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Again John, not everyone knows what you know. Are you going around all the wso's that are for sale and bashing them for selling crap courses?

    I'm not even asking for a email subscription. Get off it John. You have it all figured, I get it. However have you ever learned something of value that you carried on to an all together different idea?

    Give people that opportunity.. know it all. Geez.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435409].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Again John, not everyone knows what you know. Are you going around all the wso's that are for sale and bashing them for selling crap courses?

      I'm not even asking for a email subscription. Get off it John. You have it all figured, I get it. However have you ever learned something of value that you carried on to an all together different idea?

      Give people that opportunity.. know it all. Geez.
      Piece of advice young warrior, Show more respect to veteran warriors. You wont get far.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435590].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
        Respect on both sides is earned..I gave him his kudos, and I moved on. I am a newbie, but again, you guys know I'm putting out free info right?..
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435610].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
          Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

          Respect on both sides is earned..I gave him his kudos, and I moved on. I am a newbie, but again, you guys know I'm putting out free info right?..

          Yes we understand "free" loss leader
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6436539].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
            I'm trying to send out, but I'm just having constant memory issues

            You have reached your stored private message quota and cannot send any further messages until space has been created.

            It seems I can only have like 10 posts sent/received. How annoying.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6436919].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
            Thanks sandalwood...I really didn't try coming off that rude, but when you get attacked from the getgo without even reading the report it comes of rude. I think John and I are fine now, I sent him the report for good measure.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6436970].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
              Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

              Thanks sandalwood...I really didn't try coming off that rude, but when you get attacked from the getgo without even reading the report it comes of rude. I think John and I are fine now, I sent him the report for good measure.
              I make NO pretense of speaking for John. He is a big boy and can handle himself pretty damned well from what I can tell. John is a guy who will tell you the truth come hell or high water and it is up to the individual to do with it as heshe sees fit.

              On this forum one often has to put immediate personal thought processes off to the side and read and re-read and maybe even re-read the response. The response does originate in the original post. Why? Because the original post is the only source for the response.

              What I am trying to say is the author is the source of the re-action. No one else. For example, because you state you are in Chicago and I had a bad experience there over Memorial Day weekend (true story) I could say something like, everyone in Chicago is a horse's ass.

              Now that my friend would get a reaction I may not have bargained for and if I go off half cocked I am immediately in the wrong yet I am the guy who caused the re-action.

              That's all I gotsto say about the matter. I think everything will be fine given you have produced a fine product. Once people see it and realize the opportunity this little jewel lays out they will realize unrefined can sometimes equal quality although it may be hidden.

              Just my 2 ¢ and anyone who wants to disagree please do.
              Signature
              Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

              The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437077].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
              Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

              Thanks sandalwood...I really didn't try coming off that rude, but when you get attacked from the getgo without even reading the report it comes of rude. I think John and I are fine now, I sent him the report for good measure.
              You were not attacked, that was a warrior forum "love tap".

              Allow me to translate:

              welcome to the forum

              and

              We don't put up with BS in this sub forum, so watch your step
              because be assured people are watching you.

              I hope that clears matters up for you
              Signature

              Selling Ain't for Sissies!
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443283].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                Let me try and help you out.

                If you want to build a really good list right here, right now from this forum
                with that report, your going about it wrong.

                First: you will never gain momentum / traction this way
                Second: it looks sneaky
                Third: people don't know you

                If you create a sig link leading to a squeeze page, and post the report
                right here, out in the open ... you will wind up with a better quality
                list. Not only that, people will see it and join your list for a long time to come.

                Provided the report is any good.

                If people like it, they WILL join, this is an IM community, they are conditioned to...

                and by you posting the report in the open and NOT asking , or requiring to opt into any list, you will look like a marketing stud.

                Also if your worried about some one stealing the idea or the report... well i hate to tell you
                there is nothing new in that report. There is never really anything new... some one, some where
                is doing exactly what that report says... and they probably aren't the only ones.

                Becoming a warrior does not come without risks, neither does helping people out or
                providing value ...

                just my 2 cents, i hope it helps.

                P.S How you argue, and how you respond to negativity ( even perceived negativity ) is just as important around here as being a good marketer, personaly i dont think you did so bad

                BTW, since you don't know me, and you don't know that i don't really mince words, you might think this
                this post was snarky or condescending, that is not my intention at all. I really am just trying to be helpful.

                the fact that you got called out, and did not back down is good in my book ...
                i really do hope your on the up and up

                the reason for the response you received is people here try to look out for each other...
                a lot of us have become real life friends, some are just a little more aggressive about it
                then others.
                Signature

                Selling Ain't for Sissies!
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443417].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
            Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

            Yes we understand "free" loss leader
            Michael,

            I don't know how big Conway AK is but I'd bet you could field a sales team of 2 or 3 and clean up even if the RBacks fired Petrino. I say 2 or 3 because I think Conway is small so more people than 2 or 3 and they'd be falling all over themselves and the local businesses.

            I don't know how anyone can make this ebook's idea into anything more and keep selling it. The premise is simple and believe me when I say I've done it. It requires work but once you get established you've just created passive income forever.

            Love your posts btw. Insightful to say the least and coming from someone who is in the field makes it all that more believable.

            Have a great day,

            Tom
            Signature
            Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

            The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437162].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
              Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

              Michael,

              I don't know how big Conway AK is but I'd bet you could field a sales team of 2 or 3 and clean up even if the RBacks fired Petrino. I say 2 or 3 because I think Conway is small so more people than 2 or 3 and they'd be falling all over themselves and the local businesses.

              I don't know how anyone can make this ebook's idea into anything more and keep selling it. The premise is simple and believe me when I say I've done it. It requires work but once you get established you've just created passive income forever.

              Love your posts btw. Insightful to say the least and coming from someone who is in the field makes it all that more believable.

              Have a great day,

              Tom

              Lol thanks tom actually I am a national sales trainer , but I am about to build a bower model partenering with john here in conway.

              Oh he just chimed in and wanted me to tell you. "We are 5 movies into the roots series atm, and right now we hate all white people so leave us alone, and that's all"
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437917].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
                Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

                Lol thanks tom actually I am a national sales trainer , but I am about to build a bower model partenering with john here in conway.

                Oh he just chimed in and wanted me to tell you. "We are 5 movies into the roots series atm, and right now we hate all white people so leave us alone, and that's all"
                Michael,

                I don't think the world is ready for 2 Jeff Foxworthy candidates to unleash a lean mean calling machine. My apologies to Adam for partially hijacking this thread. Hope I don't get sentenced to doing 10 to 20 in Conway...

                Tom

                P.S. Tell John some of my best friends are white.
                Signature
                Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

                The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437946].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Zen Productions
          Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

          Respect on both sides is earned..I gave him his kudos, and I moved on. I am a newbie, but again, you guys know I'm putting out free info right?..
          Hey, no need to send me anything I just want to respond to this quote directly. I'm trying to make it in offline and I've gotten some success and have gotten some great feedback from this forum.

          However, you saying "you guys know I'm putting out free info right?" is the dumbest thing I've heard....no disrespect intended.

          BUT, who are you? Why would we care about your free info because I can go to BrianTracey.com who has made hundreds of million dollars in sales and give him my email for free material that I KNOW would be amazing. I also can go to JayAbraham.com and put in my email address and get "free" information that is honestly worth thousands of dollars. (recommend both by the way)

          What makes you good? why should I trust you and not move on? If someone who has a good rep on this board put out a free report I would be all over it because they have a good track record and success to back it up.

          Not saying your "free" info is bad, it's just that it seems suspicious is all and having no rep here and no proof throws up red flags.

          I've have had experience launching online products including a WSO and if your proof isn't better than just "this company makes agabillion sales because of this " you are doomed in this forum and in the WSO forum.


          TLDR: Suspicious man is suspicious
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437805].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
            Originally Posted by Zen Productions View Post

            Hey, no need to send me anything I just want to respond to this quote directly. I'm trying to make it in offline and I've gotten some success and have gotten some great feedback from this forum.

            However, you saying "you guys know I'm putting out free info right?" is the dumbest thing I've heard....no disrespect intended.

            BUT, who are you? Why would we care about your free info because I can go to BrianTracey.com who has made hundreds of million dollars in sales and give him my email for free material that I KNOW would be amazing. I also can go to JayAbraham.com and put in my email address and get "free" information that is honestly worth thousands of dollars. (recommend both by the way)

            What makes you good? why should I trust you and not move on? If someone who has a good rep on this board put out a free report I would be all over it because they have a good track record and success to back it up.

            Not saying your "free" info is bad, it's just that it seems suspicious is all and having no rep here and no proof throws up red flags.

            I've have had experience launching online products including a WSO and if your proof isn't better than just "this company makes agabillion sales because of this " you are doomed in this forum and in the WSO forum.


            TLDR: Suspicious man is suspicious
            Wow, you have no clue what your talking about. I can tell you that your post was a waste of time to the subject at hand. People are loving the report.

            Who am I? Just someone with a blueprint to make money that I wanted to share.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438033].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    No I actually promote people alot, and I dont bash for fear of competition... Im just making a point...

    And if you are going to get very far promoting on threads you better learn to taker the heat and give better answers... Im just telling you that you arent saying anything new....I think a few people have, if you want to pick me then go for it....

    I have actually helped people who started threads like yours later to promote their work.... but just giving you the complimentary Warrior hard time and telling you that if you come as a student thats one thing, but if you come to teach- dont come weak.

    Lol. I really am not moved either way by someone thinking Im a basher or not to be honest.

    This isnt about "rank", its about experience.

    The word "rank" belittles what it truly is.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435430].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    I don't intend on selling this info at this time John. However your interest in this post does show your level of curiosity lol! As soon as I hit my 50 posts I'll send it to you to.

    I am trying to post value and not just useless junk, so bare with me. Have 10 more to go, but the more you reply the faster I'm going to get there lol
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435547].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Ha, ha, ha, here's a post you can respond to should you elect. It'll get your count up. BTW, be careful what you wish for, you just may get it

      Tom
      Signature
      Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

      The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435574].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
        lol @ Tom. Thanks.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435620].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
          I just received a copy from our main man in Chi town. As I read it I fell all over myself cuz I did this exact same thing in Sacramento CA and here in Reno NV. I also used to sell an ebook called Big Fish in a Small Pond on how to become a radio personality. It contained some of the same information. Still have it somewhere. Believe me, this isn't self promotion this is just validation that the method works.

          Let me address the grey hat implication. Nope, not in a minute. The radio biz doesn't give a rat's ass who buys their commercial spots. As long as the verbiage doesn't violate FCC guidelines and internal policies, you can spend unlimited pots of money with them. They'll laugh all the way to the bank.

          Not asked for but I'll give it lagniappe:

          As far as the wording in the OP's original post, he certainly could have said it a little differently but he didn't. His product is still on the mark. As for his reaction to criticism, he could have handled that differently. But he didn't. His product is still on the mark.

          This forum is a public forum so when we post we should expect all sorts of responses. Some we may not like. Go to pg 117. Some we will like. Go to pg 117. Either way, if we respect each other, notice I didn't say always agree w/each other, then the purpose of this forum will continue intact.

          That's my editorial and I'll stand by it.

          BTW, his product is still on the mark.

          Tom

          P.S. Pg 117 of Eat & Run by Scott Jurek. Read his 4 step process for handling any and all situations and you'll be so rich you'll be forced to give money away. My words not Scott's.
          Signature
          Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

          The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6435839].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author michaelplies
    So where is the info?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6436596].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rnjonjo
    hi newbiz,

    sent you a PM with my email. interested in checking out your report.

    let me know.

    thanks.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6436993].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
      Let me know if you didn't get the report rnjonjo. if not just resend me a private message again..
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437060].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
      Please, I would like to get a copy of your report. My email address is mrcghill(at) yahoo(dot)com If your making millions than I want to learn as much as I can from a guru like yourself. Thank you!!!
      ...This report is on how companies are making money with this system. It's still work, if you haven't been in a phone room, or sales then this info is worthless.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437066].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mrcghill
    Please, I would like to get a copy of your report. My email address is mrcghill(at) yahoo(dot)com If your making millions than I want to learn as much as I can from a guru like yourself. Thank you!!!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437031].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Very true, sandalwood, again thanks for take the time to review. Maybe I should have worded it differently, and given more facts, but it's one of the those reports I wanted to have feedback from people that would understand it.

    The thing that got me annoyed was that he was coming off as all knowing, when there are so many people that don't have his knowledge. I didn't say this was the greatest report in the world, but there is good facts, there should be no point attacking a post without asking to see the whole picture.

    Then again, John as a member of this forum has the right to say what ever he wants. So do I.

    -Respect
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437129].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Who's Conway AK lol? Am I missing something?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437207].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Sue Bruce
      I reviewed Adam's system.

      Adam's system will make big money. As he mentioned, it's gray hat but can easily be tweaked to be a straight arrow to a great business. There's a saying that "the middle man makes the money". This is an example of that.

      The big advantage, besides the large cash flow that is possible, is that the business will grow quickly, increasing employees and revenue.

      Tweak and reap.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437289].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Who's Conway AK lol? Am I missing something?
      Michael Bucker
      HyperActive Warrior
      War Room Member


      Join Date: Nov 2011
      Location: Conway Arkansas
      Posts: 332
      Thanks: 107
      Thanked 160 Times in 103 Posts

      Oops, Arkansas is AR and not AK - my bad...
      Signature
      Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

      The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437413].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author CatchyNameHere
        Adam, I'd like to take a look at it if possible?
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437509].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    That was so nice thank you for the positive words. This is my first report so I had a little stage fright... lol.

    -Adam
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437347].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Sue Bruce
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      That was so nice thank you for the positive words. This is my first report so I had a little stage fright... lol.

      -Adam
      No problem, thanks for sending it to me. Some warriors will take it and run with it, big time.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437638].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      That was so nice thank you for the positive words. This is my first report so I had a little stage fright... lol.

      -Adam
      I would like a copy of your report.

      In my opinion some people are just getting high on they own supply. For Christ sakes, you've offered to give away the report completely free. Someone mentioned something about a successful track record there's only one way to get a track record. You need to do something - like giveaway free reports LOL. It can be very intimidating for a Newbie to come out in public.

      Cut this guy some slack and leave him alone. We should want as many people as possible contributing valuable information. And theres only one way that we will know whether this information is valuable or not.

      If they don't want a report, they don't need to request a copy, no one is forcing them to do anything.
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443520].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jhonmendieta
    Could u send it please? I want to review it
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437571].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rnjonjo
    Adam,

    thanks for the report.

    I'm away from my desk at the moment (typing this from my phone) but I can't wait to take a look at your report and tell you what I think.

    Thanks.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437591].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author PhilaPM
    Could you send me a copy as well?
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437615].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    i would love to check out a copy
    Signature

    Make $150 everytime someone backs up their computer!
    http://goo.gl/07M6K

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437748].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author indata7800
      pm me a copy also please.

      thanks.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437808].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
    Adam,

    Please PM me a copy. I'll give you an honest critique... I am always interested in learning....

    Thanks!

    Rich
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6437847].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Wild Bill
    Looks like your feedback is heating up. Lots of entertaining interaction (especially John and Michael now hating all white people).
    Can you send me a copy?
    Thanks
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438037].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
    newbizideas312 .... when someone post numbers like that, the TWO words that comes to mind is Scam & Nigeria.

    Let me remind you this is the Warrior Forum and not Fool's Corner.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438085].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author akonzada009
      Yeah if there is any grey it wouldn't stand past ten posts on a WF thread. Better decision to introduce privately.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443645].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author remmy1uk
        hey adams been asking for this report three times. give a brother a slack man.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443679].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author MaxwellB
      Every needs to cut this guy a break.

      The report is straight forward, and legitimate and it's free and it requires no opt in hahaha.

      As far as if it will actually make you money, I don't know I havn't tried it and I never will because I'm doing other things.

      But It seems like it will and if you have time there is no harm in giving it a try.


      The ONLY THING wrong is that he didn't just release it to everyone so we can have a discussion about it. Because now not everyone knows what it's about and we can't discuss it without posting the whole thing so everyone is on the same page.
      Signature
      Get featured on Forbes, Inc, Entrepreneur, Bloomberg and other major media publications - Gain instant trust, credibility and close more sales!

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446475].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Ronald Nzimora
      Originally Posted by Always-A-Warrior View Post

      newbizideas312 .... when someone post numbers like that, the TWO words that comes to mind is Scam & Nigeria.

      Let me remind you this is the Warrior Forum and not Fool's Corner.
      Okay, now you need to shut up!

      Scam and Nigeria? Damn you guys just think EVERY Nigerian is a scammer, right? I have shared useful information here (check my posts) and have helped many too get their start in offline consulting (Rick Mollema in Holland is one and a member here too).

      I am just sick of people like you who lump people together and give them all a bad name.

      You are from the USA, a country that has a high rate of murders, rapes, and divorces and what not. Last time I checked, I've NEVER blindly called all Americans murderers, rapists and dysfunctional people. You got problems the same way Nigerians do.

      Down here, we try real hard to out the bad eggs and I have outed many myself.

      Give those of us who want to make a change and do positive stuff some breathing space to do that.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450567].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Lol.. I must of did something because I don't see promoted offers criticized nearly as bad... Looks like people are enjoying the report though. That's all that matters...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438093].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rushindo
    John, apparently he sent you the report. Any feedback?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438102].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Kevin AKA Hubcap
      Originally Posted by rushindo View Post

      John, apparently he sent you the report. Any feedback?
      Why are you relying on John for feedback? Read the report and form your own opinion. John knows what he knows and you know what you know.

      You both have different experiences and biases. What works for him may not work for you and vice-versa.

      Have some confidence in your own opinion. It really is valuable...especially to your life and your business.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445275].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author rushindo
        Originally Posted by Kevin AKA Hubcap View Post

        Why are you relying on John for feedback? Read the report and form your own opinion. John knows what he knows and you know what you know.

        You both have different experiences and biases. What works for him may not work for you and vice-versa.

        Have some confidence in your own opinion. It really is valuable...especially to your life and your business.
        I read it way before you responded and already left feedback. Wasn't "relying" on his feedback. Just curious if he would speak to the OP differently after reading it. Obviously he is not going to, which is fine.

        Anyways, this is a very interesting thread. Now that the OP has posted the link, people should ask questions or share ideas to turn the thread into a more productive conversation.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6459344].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by rushindo View Post

      John, apparently he sent you the report. Any feedback?

      I dont have time for it, working the Bower plan... this guy came here to give a loss leader and opt some people in... not "Give free info" but that will show itself in time, you'll remember who told you first.

      I dont doubt its a good report, have no reason to. Just questioning his method for Milking the forum.

      Here is MY perspective:

      Allen Says (the owner) gives us a playground here.

      What we COULD do is appreciate it and create some valuable content in it that will draw some more people from the search engines for the Warrior Forum, in exchange for the privilege of playing here...

      But what SOME do...is come and suck people out of the forum into opt in lists, without giving the owner of WF even a "nod".

      That aint cool.

      If you are going direct traffic out of his forum then put some content here to help him get some too.

      Its about principle.

      Argue with anything you want, but you cant argue with that.

      If you come here to steal a few cvistors, get a few opt ins, make a few dollars- you are stepping over a ham to pick up a hot dog!

      There is alot of value that can be gained from coming in here, being a contributor and helping the forum and getting people in your own network the LEGIT professional way, through sharing content and letting THEM decide to click your link- not ASKING them to.

      I have never asked a single person to opt in. Its the warrior way. As a warrior puyrist I believe that the proper way is to let your content draw people- not solicit.

      Do I think everyone should follow that?

      I think that anyone who doesnt "cant". Because who would lower themselves to ask for a thanks or an opt in... if they could do it the right way?

      He isnt giving, he's sucking traffic and opt ins on Allens account, and as a faithful warrior, yeah that offends me.

      Im out.

      I fished hi8m out like Paul says too and he admitted it "Its grey". Too many people would jump that so it has to be shared in private.

      If an idea cant stand up to Warrior scrutiny on a thread LIVE and still come out on top it isnt worth reading to me, there are reasons its kept in the shadows usual;y.
      Anyway, regardless of the report- this approach is highly inconsiderate of the owner of this forum and its contributing members...

      Doesnt matter, marketers like this will be a flash in the pan and we wont even remember their handle 3 months from now.

      If they arent good enough to draw with their content alone...then they dont have what it takes for the long haul.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452707].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    fyi guys i'm not going to defend negative posts anymore that's just ridiculous. If you participate in this forum, and want the report i would love to send it.

    Make your own choice.. but i ask you this. If it's real, then post a comment.

    @ Always-A-Warrior if this was some sort of scam, wouldn't I have to charge money?

    As Rodney Dangerfield would say.. "Tough Crowd"
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438112].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Zen Productions
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      fyi guys i'm not going to defend negative posts anymore that's just ridiculous. If you participate in this forum, and want the report i would love to send it.

      Make your own choice.. but i ask you this. If it's real, then post a comment.

      @ Always-A-Warrior if this was some sort of scam, wouldn't I have to charge money?

      As Rodney Dangerfield would say.. "Tough Crowd"
      I promise that my post wasn't meant to be insulting. Its just I, and many others, have been on the offline forum for awhile and have never heard of you.

      I'm really happy you are doing good, I seriously mean that keep it up. However, there are TONS of ways to make money and you are parading yourself as an amazing person insulting a respected member and then are wondering why people are not buying into you.

      My post was meant to show you that you have no reputation here. I say again why should I listen to you? Why? You have no proof....

      There could be many reasons you are trying to post a "blueprint" for free in this forum:
      1. increase a post count to look better
      2. increase your "thank" count
      3. Promote your WSO by trying to get people with a list (I have a list and this screams of something i would never promote)

      Again, I'm not trying to be rude just pointing out that your "good will" is more of a marketing tactic that has been used here before.

      I'm glad your report is getting good reviews keep up the good work let me know when some gets results that you don't mind sharing to a forum.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438148].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author rnjonjo
        Adam,

        Thank you for the report.

        While I've never thought of your particular biz model, it made for a very entertaining read. And to be quite honest, one that seems like a very easy sell to biz owners.

        It didn't help your cause the way you introduced yourself here in the offline forum, but after all is said and done, I'm hitting the bed tonight thinking about your little report.

        So kudos and thanks to you for a nice little report!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438190].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
        Let me just start off with saying that I wasn't even logged in while reading this thread. Thanks to your blatantly ignorant post, I absolutely had to log in and correct your mentality.

        Other than perhaps a 'potentially' deceiving title and/or description, the OP has done nothing wrong.

        From your post, quoted below, it seems that your core reasoning in launching your opinionated attack against the OP was purely because:

        1) You didn't know him
        2) Other people here on the forum didn't know him
        3) He allegedly insulted a reputed member (John D)

        Let me get a few things sorted for you:

        Points (1) & (2), no one cares if you know him or not. He is offering free information, not paid information as far as any of us knows.

        To come in here talking down upon him because you or others don't know him is, to put it as nicely as possible, borderline retarded.

        The same can be applied in me saying "Why should the OP listen to your posts, he doesn't even know you - neither does the most part of the Warrior Forum". Do you see how your mentality is warped? Just because you or others don't know him does not mean you can immediately discount any potential value he can, or will bring this forum.

        As for point number (3), him insulting John? Come off it. He posted the thread, and then John came right in with his opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, and most of us who have been around here for a while know that Warriors tend to jump in when they see a thread that could potentially be suspicious.

        The OP did not call John out, John called the OP out and I am sure John is more than capable of defending himself, especially when he has, himself, entered into the discussion. OP just replied to Johns remarks in the same way John replied to the OP - they replied with their opinions. An opinion, not an insult.

        Just because you 'have a list' and this 'screams of something you'd never promote' doesn't mean that it the OP isn't allowed to promote it, or give it away.

        In either case, I think we should all get over it. OP copped some flack by JD right from the get-go, he replied, sent out the report to JD and other members (and we even have a good review for the free information on this very thread) - so it seems that while JD's first post was warranted to an extent (OP did not provide much info) it is now clear that things are all fine, and dandy.

        So let's drop it and give the OP some slack. Let him contribute without drowning him in countless opinions. If the OP believes that he/she has made a mistake in the way that they made this thread, leave it to them to learn from the experience and move along.

        This entire post here was a waste of my time, and probably everyone elses who bothered to read it. It had to be posted however, because too many people jump on the bandwagon as soon as someone starts copping some flack.

        @OP, I was going to PM you, but may as well save myself some time - if you don't mind sending the information over, I would appreciate it.

        Thank you.

        Originally Posted by Zen Productions View Post

        I promise that my post wasn't meant to be insulting. Its just I, and many others, have been on the offline forum for awhile and have never heard of you.

        I'm really happy you are doing good, I seriously mean that keep it up. However, there are TONS of ways to make money and you are parading yourself as an amazing person insulting a respected member and then are wondering why people are not buying into you.

        My post was meant to show you that you have no reputation here. I say again why should I listen to you? Why? You have no proof....

        There could be many reasons you are trying to post a "blueprint" for free in this forum:
        1. increase a post count to look better
        2. increase your "thank" count
        3. Promote your WSO by trying to get people with a list (I have a list and this screams of something i would never promote)

        Again, I'm not trying to be rude just pointing out that your "good will" is more of a marketing tactic that has been used here before.

        I'm glad your report is getting good reviews keep up the good work let me know when some gets results that you don't mind sharing to a forum.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443562].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
    It's not about the money. It's about poisoning the minds of our fellow Warriors with trash. We watch out for our brothers and sisters here at WF thats all.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438122].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    If that were true you would ask for the report so you can warn them, no?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438125].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      If that were true you would ask for the report so you can warn them, no?
      I don't need to see any report. Your title says it all and your reviews don't sound too convincing either.

      Mods should close this thread.
      Signature
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438574].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Listen, after all is said and done you will remember this report. I offered you value, and that's all I care about. I wasn't trying to come off like an ass, and if the number is too I high then I don't know what to tell you. That's what they make.

    Unlike most reports this one is true. It takes a lot of work to get it right, but when it does it works awesome. I broke down every single step. More importantly I wanted to just put out a system I could reverse engineer and start a discussion.

    John, I have read your reports. You know this works. What did you think about it?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438211].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author everge
    Hi Adam,

    Shoot me a copy of your report.

    Cheers,

    Graeme
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6438259].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author NetVentures
    Hi, I am very much interested in offline marketing. If you would, could you send me a copy for review?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6439934].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Sue Bruce
    Let me analyse this.

    [QUOTE=newbizideas312;6434771]Ok, the the title is not misleading. I have completed a report on a industry/company that has been secretly making millions per year, without their own product, borrowed credibility, $0 upfront offer, one call close and 3,000-4,000% returns. yup.

    Since I read the report, I know this is exactlr what the report is about, a company (companies) that do this. The figures are from one company that he uses as an example.

    "At first I wanted to write this report to offer as a wso, but I want do something more, so I think I will use this as a good giveaway for some reviews to build up a good list of im, business owners, and salesmen."

    He's actually up front and says he is going to use the report to build a list! When was the last time you heard that?

    "Please note, if you have never ran a business, cold called, worked in phone room, or don't like offline methods, then this one won't be for you."

    He gives a valid warning since so many warriors refuse to do outbound calls themselves or can not figure out how to hire great sales staff who will.

    At this point, we have a new warrior offering great info using an example of a company making a huge amount of money using a method that is not well known. He is, thus far, being transparent and is offering a free system that can be scaled down to a one person show.

    By the way, one person making one sale a day(average of $500), five days a week, fifty weeks a year will make $125,000.

    Why do we have a thread on the forum called "What to do if you're desperate?" You warriors know why. Some warriors will grab this free system and make money. Perhaps, prior to becomimg addicted to WSO's that promise the moon.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440026].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Always-A-Warrior Dude you're a hater.

    Mods should close down this thread?
    Where do you come off? Am I selling the report? Am I offering value? Did you read the report to warn your fellow brothers and sisters? LOL what's wrong with you?

    Go buy a $8 thingy to do something magical overnight. And if you don't have the integrity to read someone's work then how do you have the gull to try and destroy it?

    Now my reviews don't sound promising?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440084].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    By the way I'm not sending this report to just anyone.. I look to see if you are involved and post good content. It just doesn't make sense offering this report to people that don't have much feedback. Just my 2 cents and I'm sticking to it.

    Hope John, will read it, and give feedback. Seems like once I offered the report I stopped hearing from him..
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440103].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author remmy1uk
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      By the way I'm not sending this report to just anyone.. I look to see if you are involved and post good content. It just doesn't make sense offering this report to people that don't have much feedback. Just my 2 cents and I'm sticking to it.

      Hope John, will read it, and give feedback. Seems like once I offered the report I stopped hearing from him..

      Adam am waiting for this awesome report, I will come back with unbiased review

      cheers mate
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441537].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author marketingrep4u
    I'd love to read your report!

    The positive reviews given by those that have read it have peaked my interest and I'd love to figure out how to implement it in my business.

    Thanks in advance! I can't wait to read it.

    Rich
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440415].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author liindsay
    Hey mate,

    Gotta admit, pretty skeptical about it!

    But send a PM this way? I'd love to have a read and give you some feedback on it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440423].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Well, I've got to chime in again. Adam has put out a report that is spot on.

      How do I know?

      I used to do it for my own radio shows. Get that, I've physically done it.

      It works.

      Read it b4 you tell the guy he is full of s*** and a scammer. He ain't.

      He gives you a blueprint for making some serious money if you are willing to work. Yep, you're gonna have to work. That will eliminate 50% of this crowd. They are still waiting for the WSO that tells them how not to do anything and make a million a day.

      Oh yeah, cold calls. You'll have to do that too. If you are timid or don't like cold calls or as some have said are terrified of cold calls, move on to a different thread and slam those posters.

      This report talks about PSA type advertising. If you don't know what that is, oh well, read the report and learn. If you can't figure it out, call one of your local media groups and ask them. Believe me when I say they will be happy to explain it to you.

      After I got his report I called one of our media groups to get their pricing. Holy cow batdog, they are so freakin cheap I almost jumped out of my chair. So the markups he is talking about are spot on as well.

      Why is this important? Because his profit margins aren't exaggerated.

      I am not making this post to defend Adam. That's up to him to do. I am making this post to tell you disbelievers to suspend your disbelief and get the damned report.

      I also don't know if John will reply given his schedule. I hope he does as I'd like to hear his take too. Regardless, if the report is still available, get a copy.

      Remember, I walked the walk and talked the talk in two cities. Wish I had been smart enough to write this type of report. I probably would have sold it as a WSO for $27.

      In fact, since I still have my old report on how to become a media star, I might do exactly that. Hell, you'd pay $27 to learn how to become a media star in your area and get paid for being a star, right?

      Have a great day,

      Tom
      Signature
      Get 30% or More Retirement Income If you are serious about your retirement, you'll love this product.

      The Money Ferret Finance Article Directory
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440621].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author remmy1uk
    I would be happy to receieve one of your report please
    thanks
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440931].message }}
    • I am interested.

      if your building a list, I have no problem with that.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6440986].message }}
      • Just read the report. it is short and sweet.

        seen WSO's not as good as this.

        you can take this ball and run with it and also make some changes to fit the way you market.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441079].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
          I would be interested in reading the report. I will definitely comment on it after I read it. thanks
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441160].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author marketingrep4u
    Just read Adam's $8,000,000 report!

    If I could sum up my opinion in only 1 word, it would be: AWESOME!!!

    There are some really crappy WSOs on this forum that don't even offer a fraction of the information or quality offered in Adam's report.

    I noticed somewhere above that there were some negative comments from people that haven't even read the report. Pay no attention to them. This report is the real deal.

    Adam - hands down man, you out did yourself here. I'm excited to see what you come up with next.

    I subscribed to Adam's list, too. Who wouldn't want new money making ideas that work to show up in their email box?

    'Nuf said!

    Rich
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441191].message }}
    • Originally Posted by marketingrep4u View Post

      Just read Adam's $8,000,000 report!

      If I could sum up my opinion in only 1 word, it would be: AWESOME!!!

      There are some really crappy WSOs on this forum that don't even offer a fraction of the information or quality offered in Adam's report.

      I noticed somewhere above that there were some negative comments from people that haven't even read the report. Pay no attention to them. This report is the real deal.

      Adam - hands down man, you out did yourself here. I'm excited to see what you come up with next.

      I subscribed to Adam's list, too. Who wouldn't want new money making ideas that work to show up in their email box?

      'Nuf said!

      Rich
      I completely agree with you, Rich. This report is awesome and can be easily implemented. I recommended that Adam DOES put it out as a WSO; it's much higher quality than some WSOs I've seen, for sure. And it's quite helpful for folks who really want to learn new methods of making money.

      There's no reason for the mods to close this thread or whatever it was that was stated on this thread earlier. Adam's report is top quality and very do-able.
      Signature
      -----------------------------------------


      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441452].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    @kirbymarketingconcierge, but not too short right? I tried to make it simple and not over complicate things.

    Again, thanks for all the kind emails..
    The emails I keep getting is "man your taking heat."

    I'm going to defend it. I know this works, I have seen the inner workings and wanted to produce a blueprint that people would enjoy.

    The funny thing is that no one has belittled the report..after actually READING it. Everyone who tried to attack had no merit, but if you go to the promoted section, for actual money, where are these knights of shining armor?

    This is not directed towards everyone obviously. Some may like it, some may not, but at the end of the day I had the guts to write it, and offer it on a forum that would appreciate it.

    Good talking to all of you!

    marketingrep4u thanks for that killer review. That's all I wanted to present my findings, and i knew if it was good enough people would subscribe..

    **note no one subscribed to get this report.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441320].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author safe as houses
      Adam, I'd be interested in reviewing the report if you would be kind enough to let me have a copy, Mick.
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441354].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author dragoneye
        Hi,
        I don't have enough posts to PM. Could you send me a copy please?
        Thanks
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6441431].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rushindo
    newbizideas312 (what is your name?).... I'd like to take a look at the report.

    Brandon
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442325].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
      My names on almost every post lol. I'm sending you the report now.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442364].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author bighitter
    I'd love to get a copy of the report if you would be so kind.

    Thanks!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442415].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Sorry big hitter, can't do that. Trying to give this out to members who help out the community.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442437].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author adrwcav
    Hey NewBiz,

    Would love to check out your report. I currently do high ticket direct sales with lots of cold calling
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442510].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rushindo
    I do something similar to the method described in the report. I have my own twist, but the overall concept is pretty good.

    Brandon
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442877].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author liindsay
    It must be rubbish, considering John hasn't been back to give any review.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442893].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
      Originally Posted by liindsay View Post

      It must be rubbish, considering John hasn't been back to give any review.
      No offense, but are you a sheep? Do you have to wait on Johns review before even beginning to attempt to read something for yourself?

      This information is for free. Request it, read it and make your OWN mind up. This isn't a childs forum, surely you can take the initiative to do something for yourself instead of throwing around worthless assumptions.

      Maybe John is busy. Making money perhaps. Maybe with his family. Drawing a conclusion like you did there, was mindless.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443579].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author liindsay
        Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

        No offense, but are you a sheep? Do you have to wait on Johns review before even beginning to attempt to read something for yourself?

        This information is for free. Request it, read it and make your OWN mind up. This isn't a childs forum, surely you can take the initiative to do something for yourself instead of throwing around worthless assumptions.

        Maybe John is busy. Making money perhaps. Maybe with his family. Drawing a conclusion like you did there, was mindless.
        Wow, you're really keen for that report! You should go through the rest of the negative posts in this thread and correct them LOL.

        And yes, I value John's opinion
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443624].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
          Originally Posted by liindsay View Post

          Wow, you're really keen for that report! You should go through the rest of the negative posts in this thread and correct them LOL.

          And yes, I value John's opinion
          I'm hardly keen for the report, because I doubt I will implement whatever it says. I am already in the middle of something, so I won't just drop it and run to something 'new'.

          On that note, I want the report to see if I can potentially learn something new. Maybe it will come in useful, or maybe not.

          On the other hand, whether it proves to be useful or not, at least I am taking initiative to educate myself.

          It's great that you value Johns opinion. I am sure he is happy with that too, but that doesn't mean that you live stagnantly, waiting for people to feed you their reviews.

          While you value Johns opinion, you should try and value your own opinion, too. Read the report for yourself, you'll never know if it helped you, on a personal level, until you do. Everyone processes information differently, what may seem like common knowledge to John may be a golden nugget for you, and for this reason his review may not apply linearly to you.

          Essentially, you were making a wild assumption about the OP's free information and we all know what making assumptions does for your credibility. In the end, I have nothing against you - I just have something against blatant, unsubstantiated and unwarranted attacks against someone or their cause.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6444033].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Awesome thanks Rush. Well at the end of the day. This was interesting. The best part?
    This whole thing is real. In the actual world this has been working for 30 years, and if you understand the system you can make money. The company selling the product has no brand.

    I have read wso's which should have been held to the same scrutiny.. then again it wouldn't make as much as it does today.

    Sure, John knows about all this stuff. He has been on the phone for 20 years? I was glad to be able to offer this report. I took something with a lot of components and made it simple to understand.

    Thanks to everyone who emailed, and participated... There still is some GOOD info out there. So before you bash a guy, at least read their report. I know it's just harder to sift through. Good Night Warriors.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442915].message }}
  • The report definitely consist of some trade secrets and I can see how this can easily make 8 million per year.

    What I found the most interesting was the simplicity of the system. If you have any sales experience at all theres a good chance you can do this.

    But as with anything that has great rewards, it's going to require a good bit of work to get it off the ground but I'm confident the reward will be worth the effort.

    I'm very grateful to Adam for sharing this inside information with me. Even if I don't use the exact system, Ive definitely got some great ideas from it.

    Thanks again Adam and good luck to you in all your future endeavors!
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442927].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Evolve91
      I am interested in reading your report as well. I have experience in sales and high ticket phone sales and am very intrigued by the positive comments regarding your report. Thanks a head of time
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6442988].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Please PM me a copy of the report (by now you should have enough posts to send PM).

    HP
    Signature

    Call Center Fuel - High Volume Data
    Delivering the highest quality leads in virtually all consumer verticals.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6443470].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Damn. I got some love. lol Thanks guys. I will send you big boys the report. Bare with me I can only send 5 an hour, but I do appreciate your support.

    @remmy1uk I decided to only send this out to people who have contributed more. Sorry buddy.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6444658].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author karensworld
      WOW, this thread is turning into something better than Wednesday's re-launch of Dallas!!!!

      Anyway, putting all the drama aside, I would really appreciate taking a look at the report....

      Hang in there.

      KJ.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445169].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author SendCards
    Please send me a copy please? Thanks
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445273].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author EnzoBlaque
    Hey, would love to have a look at your report.

    Would love to see if it could be implemented in my company's strategy

    Rick
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445389].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

    Ok, the the title is not misleading. I have completed a report on a industry/company that has been secretly making millions per year, without their own product, borrowed credibility, $0 upfront offer, one call close and 3,000-4,000% returns. yup.

    At first I wanted to write this report to offer as a wso, but I want do something more, so I think I will use this as a good giveaway for some reviews to build up a good list of im, business owners, and salesmen.

    Please note, if you have never ran a business, cold called, worked in phone room, or don't like offline methods, then this one won't be for you.


    Again this report shows how a 30 year old marketing company sells someone else's product, makes ridiculous 3,000% returns, and is able to one call close.

    I am looking to give this away to members who would really appreciate this type of information, and give me good feedback. Also it would help if you have a list. I wanted to put out a lot of value in this one. Break it down and reverse engineer it for sales.

    So if you are a active member and can give me some feedback, I would appreciate it.


    P.S. Feels nice to be able to offer something of value. Im me for a review copy and what you focus on. Thanks, Adam Tyler
    What you've written describes every telemarketing firm in the country.

    It's no secret and there's nothing mystical about it.
    Signature
    If you knew what I know you'd be doing what I do...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445415].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author powerofschool
    Lot of Interesting Interactions going on here with the

    Interesting Title
    Signature
    Download Good Morning Images Here
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445557].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Tiduslite8
    Please add me to the list of those that would like a copy. Thanks!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6445907].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    I don't know what's funny about that??

    Tsnyder
    You're. showing your "rookie-ness" here... lol

    Why are you relying on John for feedback? Read the report and form your own opinion. John knows what he knows and you know what you know.

    You both have different experiences and biases. What works for him may not work for you and vice-versa.

    Exactly Kevin AKA Hubcap ...

    Does everyone know what the experts know? I just don't understand totally pointless comments like that. I'm going to send everyone the report, but I do ask you to do me a favor and reply on the thread with comments. If I care enough to share, please return the favor.

    Thanks a lot.

    -Adam
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446401].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post


      ...I'm going to send everyone the report, but I do ask you to do me a favor and reply on the thread with comments. If I care enough to share, please return the favor.

      Thanks a lot.

      -Adam
      really? I have not gotten it yet. I just thought I was one of the ones that did not make the cut (those that are "chosen" to receive the report) and that's why I did not get it.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446430].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Nova Polzelanka
      Does everyone know what the experts know? I just don't understand totally pointless comments like that. I'm going to send everyone the report, but I do ask you to do me a favor and reply on the thread with comments. If I care enough to share, please return the favor.



      -Adam[/QUOTE]

      I would love to take a review copy if there are still some left :rolleyes:
      Thank you
      novapolzelanka(a)gmail.com
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450009].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Well if I offer this for free, I wonder what I would I do for any products I promote.. I don't think I meant to sell this.. I made it. Decided to put it out, and did. I put it off for some reason, and just glad I got it out. What's cool is that this system withstood time. Given the right mindset you can use it for other services.

    I took something I knew worked, tried to simplify the hell out of it, and helped the reader understand how it all worked so well.

    I think everyone would agree it's a cool report that can help you with your sales process. Well that was the intention.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446514].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post


      I took something I knew worked, tried to simplify the hell out of it, and helped the reader understand how it all worked so well.

      I think everyone would agree it's a cool report that can help you with your sales process. Well that was the intention.
      Then your good to go. looks like peoople really appreciated what you did.
      I still think you should do my suggestion, but that just me...
      to each there own.

      btw, i am glad everyone says your on the up and up...
      lot of really respected warriors gave you a thumbs up...
      that's worth its weight in gold... try not to squander it.
      Signature

      Selling Ain't for Sissies!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446606].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Then your good to go. looks like peoople really appreciated what you did.
    I still think you should do my suggestion, but that just me...
    to each there own.
    .. Maybe I will. I do appreciate the feedback. I'm glad people like it..
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446649].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SendCards
      Good report, straight up info....not sure I would do it but there are some details that might be applied elsewhere...

      Cheers!

      C
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446730].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Evolve91
        This report is a solid and lucrative method to making allot of money very quickly in the industry in which it mentions but could also be applied with some tweaking to other business models.

        This isn't for someone who has never had any experience in a phone room/call center unless you know a good sales rep when you see one and can hire that portion out.

        To do this method yourself, you would need to have or at least be able to act out a positive and fun personality on the phone.

        A positive out-going attitude CAN be acted out on the phone. I know because I am fairly laid back. Well, sometime anyway. I worked call centers off and on for years doing all sorts of various selling including high-ticket sales and I did well. My point is if my laid back self can put on another hat while on the phone and be successful at it, so can allot of other people who might otherwise think they cannot.

        There is enough profit in this where you can pay a pro very well and still make a killing yourself.

        This method is for an action oriented person and requires the proper mindset but then again, that is required for any business opportunity have a chance at success. It is for people who are willing to work to get it going. But it isn't like its overly hard. Just need to put one foot in front of the other and keep going.

        The OP is correct in his remarks that the mark up is high and so is the profit potential. But you can tweak your numbers lower if uncomfortable with them, or higher if you are dealing with higher-end clients.

        If you ever worked in a phone room and were decent at it you can do well with this method and I think you can also do well if you can hire a good phone person.

        The OP did a good job in explaining it and it is an easy read. All in all most anyone with phone experience and ambition can take this and make money with this.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446866].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author moose88
    hey newbiz id be very interested in this, worked my whole adult life in call centres / sales so I am very intrigued as to what you have to offer.

    kind regards
    moose88
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446907].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
    I will take a review copy if there are still some left
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6446956].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    Well, the report does exactly what it says on the tin.

    Hoping it works as well in the UK , putting 3 of my people on it to find out as its that potentially lucrative an opportunity.

    Great share, thanks.
    Signature

    Mike

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6448656].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    so let me get this right...you admit to "lying" (deceptive title) first off then want our advice?

    Cut the B*S* and be 100% honest. Best advice I can give you.
    Signature

    15 Minute Forex Bar Trading System Free at
    http://www.fxscalpingmethod.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6449172].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Hmmm..ok and what exactly does that mean?

    To do this method yourself, you would need to have or at least be able to act out a positive and fun personality on the phone.
    What product/service is this selling?
    Signature

    15 Minute Forex Bar Trading System Free at
    http://www.fxscalpingmethod.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6449183].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Evolve91
      It means if you are a negative person, who has narrow vision, are always pessimistic, your glass is always half empty, your no fun to be around, then you better have the ability to turn all that off and put on a friendly, happy, optimistic act while on the phone. Or hire someone who IS positive and outgoing to be on the phone.

      You didn't read the first sentence of the OP's thread when you said he "admitted he lied". Go back and read it again and this time pay attention before spouting off stupidity.

      Originally Posted by sloanjim View Post

      Hmmm..ok and what exactly does that mean?



      What product/service is this selling?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6451098].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author thegooddealguy
        I would like a copy of the report. I sent you a pm but have not received anything as of yet so thought I might need to make a post here.

        Thanks,

        Jim
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452563].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sloanjim
    Hmmm..ok and what exactly does that mean?

    To do this method yourself, you would need to have or at least be able to act out a positive and fun personality on the phone.
    What product/service is this selling?
    Signature

    15 Minute Forex Bar Trading System Free at
    http://www.fxscalpingmethod.com

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6449187].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mossyrocks
    Hi,

    I'm interested in an advanced copy if any are left.

    I don't have enough posts to PM so Email address is -

    mossyrocks at gmail dot com

    Many thanks
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6449562].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    so let me get this right...you admit to "lying" (deceptive title) first off then want our advice?

    Cut the B*S* and be 100% honest. Best advice I can give you.
    Just wanted to get the facts straight with you buddy. The title is real, and so are there profits, have you heard one person say differently?

    I think I've past the b.s. meter by now. Come off it. If you want the report just ask.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6449994].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author epark732
      I'd greatly appreciate the chance to read your report. I'll leave my honest feedback in the thread. Please pm it to me.

      Thank you
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450017].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    sure thing epark coming at you now.

    Again, I will send it to everyone who contributes on this forum. If you have less then `10 posts, or are not that active I am reserving the right not to send it.

    -Adam
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450043].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      sure thing epark coming at you now.

      Again, I will send it to everyone who contributes on this forum. If you have less then `10 posts, or are not that active I am reserving the right not to send it.

      -Adam
      I would really like to see the report also. thanks.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450614].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Ronald Nzimora
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      sure thing epark coming at you now.

      Again, I will send it to everyone who contributes on this forum. If you have less then `10 posts, or are not that active I am reserving the right not to send it.

      -Adam
      Hi Adam,

      Thanks for sharing this document. I'd love to also get a copy.

      I want to learn from anybody I can learn from, unlike some people I know on here.

      Thanks,

      Ron.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450762].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author EnzoBlaque
    Hey, would love to have a look at this report.

    Would love to see if it could be implemented in my company's strategy

    Rick
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450428].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Njenyus
      Adam,

      It sounds interesting. I have a call center for various products/services. I wouldn't mind receiving a review copy. I promise to post an honest review here.

      Thanks,

      Clifton

      BTW, until someone TAKES ACTION and proves that Adam's system doesn't work, shut up! People spend way too much time criticizing and not enough time taking massive action! Those, I can bet, are the ones not making the type of money they wish.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450541].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kris Johnson Mac
    Is the report still available?

    I trust John's take on this...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6450573].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    John I don't have to argue about anything. I'm kind of surprised that you were the first to comment about it, try to rip it apart, and now are backing out. That's classic.

    You can't even give positive criticism, so I don't even read it, seems like your kind of an old fart that's pissed off at the world. LOL

    I try to give out a good report, and now you want to educate me how to pass it on. Geez..

    Well I think it's safe to say. Don't go out and try to impress the world. Some like you, some hate you, just focus on the good one's. In a public forum there are soo many personalities. I guess you just have to be open, and take the good with the bad.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452777].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      John I don't have to argue about anything. I'm kind of surprised that you were the first to comment about it, try to rip it apart, and now are backing out. That's classic.

      You can't even give positive criticism, so I don't even read it, seems like your kind of an old fart that's pissed off at the world. LOL

      I try to give out a good report, and now you want to educate me how to pass it on. Geez..

      Well I think it's safe to say. Don't go out and try to impress the world. Some like you, some hate you, just focus on the good one's. In a public forum there are soo many personalities. I guess you just have to be open, and take the good with the bad.
      Me, back out?

      Lol thats too funny, no I dont back down...it just isnt worth it, you arent going to last long enough under this username for me to pursue it...

      Trust me, if I back down its because I want to , not because I dont think I could debate you to the point where you want to change your username again...

      You are trying to distract from my point which is:


      If Allen Says gives you the privilege of marketing here, dont you think it would be considerate to put up some content and help him draw some visitors instead of just sucking people off the threads into an opt in list?

      To me, the mere fact that you wouldnt even consider what you offered back to the forum in exchange for these opt in shows alot of character and speaks volumes...

      But Hey make your quick buck and trade a dollar for a dime.

      Again Im out. No you dont intimidate me, I know its hard to hear, but you simply dont have enough substance here for it to be worth my time, you have already sucked enough traffic off the fact that I even posted here at all... its the Vampire thing.

      Smells like one, looks like one, probably is one.

      Say what you want after I leave... if you are here six months from now, maybe we can talk like we are on the same level...right now you are anonymous and might as well be a bot to me for all you have contributed to the forum.

      This aint the first time we saw a guy suck people out with a loss leader. and say "cant you see Im giving?".

      Not too original.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452807].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    that was a real fast come back John. Good one buddy. I'm out trying to screw the world, with a free report that doesn't even have an opt in.

    the nerve of some people. I'm not trying to turn this into the I want to hear from the love John fan club, but how you handled it was just arrogant.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452830].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      that was a real fast come back John. Good one buddy. I'm out trying to screw the world, with a free report that doesn't even have an opt in.

      the nerve of some people. I'm not trying to turn this into the I want to hear from the love John fan club, but how you handled it was just arrogant.
      A vampire thinks Im arrogant.... Im sad.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452873].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      that was a real fast come back John. Good one buddy. I'm out trying to screw the world, with a free report that doesn't even have an opt in.

      the nerve of some people. I'm not trying to turn this into the I want to hear from the love John fan club, but how you handled it was just arrogant.
      I am not knocking your free report and I hope that John simply leaves this thread alone. He tends to take challenges such as yours when he has the time however he in no way needs to defend himself. His numbers speak for themselves. His time is much better spent creating then fending off someone who does not like his comments........

      He did do you favor tho, by even commenting on your thread he brought a lot of traffic to it. I would thank him for that .
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452918].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    @ Michael Bucker he challenged me from the getgo and I protected what I knew. I'm not even going to address negative comments anymore.. lol well try not too.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6452995].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    but to say thanks has me rolling on the floor laughing. I guess as much thanks as he gives the free report I gave him lol.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453001].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      but to say thanks has me rolling on the floor laughing. I guess as much thanks as he gives the free report I gave him lol.
      The thanks is because more likely than not about half of more of you views came because they saw John commented on your page.

      Now as a trainer. I give anyone kuddos for helping others. It is the whole reason I became a trainer. Id just say dont worry about negative comments, just earn your stripes and move on.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453175].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Dude, Im not commeting on your report itself. If Tom says its good then it probably is....Im commenting on your not putting content on Allens threads.

    Its not etiquette , its taking from him without giving.

    There are three entities to consider here, the readers, the writers, and the OWNER....

    You should always consider him, and to not do that to me is not cool.

    You are saying you only want to share with people that have a high post count ot lists..."contributors"- but you arent BEING one.

    Thats my prob.

    I have loyalty toward the forum.

    If others want to use my name in their posts and use me as the scapegoat for expressing their opinions thats their perogative, what I am saying is between me and you...its about giving Allen his props and putting some content in his forums if you are going to take advantage of them.

    Thats ALL.

    If you read my posts again you will see what Im saying, however if you say your responses back to me werent worded in a way that pepetuates the belief that "John is the guy who trys to monopolize" or "everything has to go past John", you are not being honest.

    Your responses werent THAT polite in return.

    Listen I just come here to post, I dont ask anyone to support anything I say...there is no good ole boys club.....nobody has to agree with anything I say. Im nothing here but a poster, I dont have any ownership in the place that my approval matters...

    I was just commenting on a thread I saw like anyone else, and Im sorry for the authenticity.

    Whether your report is good or bad has nothing to do with what Im saying. It may be great.

    What I am commenting on and trying to teach you here, but you are too busy defending your position to learn anything, is that there is a more appropriate way to do it , a "proper" one, and you arent following that.

    I will not back down from the poinht that the REASON is because you dont know how to do it right...and I would love to show you, but you are too high on 20 opt ins to learn how to get 200 instead and at the same time (here's a newsflash) "Give something back to the forum".

    The people who people you are PMING are members, they are not The forum.

    I guess some of us are lucky that we have read Paul Myers alot, and he has taught us how to do it right.

    If your content is good you will get opt ins.... but if you ask for them without providing good content then you are blissfully ignorant collecting thirty new readers... and missing 3,000.

    Want to continue your way go ahead, Im trying to teach you a better way, and yes, I think if you ask for PMS its sloppy form as a marketer, but if you ask for them without even providing content, you are just a SPAMMER.

    If the shoe fits...

    Again "I am giving something for free" is an old line.

    CYA.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453096].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post6224795

      Loyalty? Are you serious? Now you drag Paul and Allen in to help defend you? I think not.

      If you want to play in the deep water John, I'm here. Leave this kid alone.

      I'm sure Allen is so happy that he needs you to defend his forum. I think not.

      If the biggest crime this kid commits is giving away a Free report that we may have to opt-in for, then God help us all.

      Now go back to your telemarketing forum and start working on your own Bower 2.0 method and make some money.

      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Dude, Im not commeting on your report itself. If Tom says its good then it probably is....Im commenting on your not putting content on Allens threads.

      Its not etiquette , its taking from him without giving.

      There are three entities to consider here, the readers, the writers, and the OWNER....

      You should always consider him, and to not do that to me is not cool.

      You are saying you only want to share with people that have a high post count ot lists..."contributors"- but you arent BEING one.

      Thats my prob.

      I have loyalty toward the forum.

      If others want to use my name in their posts and use me as the scapegoat for expressing their opinions thats their perogative, what I am saying is between me and you...its about giving Allen his props and putting some content in his forums if you are going to take advantage of them.

      Thats ALL.

      If you read my posts again you will see what Im saying, however if you say your responses back to me werent worded in a way that pepetuates the belief that "John is the guy who trys to monopolize" or "everything has to go past John", you are not being honest.

      Your responses werent THAT polite in return.

      Listen I just come here to post, I dont ask anyone to support anything I say...there is no good ole boys club.....nobody has to agree with anything I say. Im nothing here but a poster, I dont have any ownership in the place that my approval matters...

      I was just commenting on a thread I saw like anyone else, and Im sorry for the authenticity.

      Whether your report is good or bad has nothing to do with what Im saying. It may be great.

      What I am commenting on and trying to teach you here, but you are too busy defending your position to learn anything, is that there is a more appropriate way to do it , a "proper" one, and you arent following that.

      I will not back down from the poinht that the REASON is because you dont know how to do it right...and I would love to show you, but you are too high on 20 opt ins to learn how to get 200 instead and at the same time (here's a newsflash) "Give something back to the forum".

      The people who people you are PMING are members, they are not The forum.

      I guess some of us are lucky that we have read Paul Myers alot, and he has taught us how to do it right.

      If your content is good you will get opt ins.... but if you ask for them without providing good content then you are blissfully ignorant collecting thirty new readers... and missing 3,000.

      Want to continue your way go ahead, Im trying to teach you a better way, and yes, I think if you ask for PMS its sloppy form as a marketer, but if you ask for them without even providing content, you are just a SPAMMER.

      If the shoe fits...

      Again "I am giving something for free" is an old line.

      CYA.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453726].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    John, I don't know why you keep coming back here.. You keep commenting how you're done , and you're not coming back... then rush to reply.

    Now you want to some how sugar coat it and say that you were just being helpful? Far from it. I think your a jerk on high horse.

    You say try offering some value? Wasn't this the purpose?
    Do I care about the opt in's if I have no opt in before hand?

    I would listen if it was cordial. If didn't come off so arrogant and rude. If you want to play the read game, then go back and look at your comments.

    I tried this way, I got a result, and I will learn from it.

    At the end of the day who cares. You are valued. Congrats. Go help people or knock them down I don't care, just get off it and move on...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453493].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      First of all, I thought you were being very helpful when you made this thread. John came in immediately without reading your PDF and was sarcastic and rude.

      He just flamed me in a few threads telling me I was wrong. I have shoes older than him and he's telling me to get Experience.

      John likes to brag a lot at how smart he is but doesn't follow his own advice or his own WSOs. I appreciate the effort you put forward. If you still want to offer that report I'd love to see it and I'll give you honest feedback. Thanks.

      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      John, I don't know why you keep coming back here.. You keep commenting how you're done , and you're not coming back... then rush to reply.

      Now you want to some how sugar coat it and say that you were just being helpful? Far from it. I think your a jerk on high horse.

      You say try offering some value? Wasn't this the purpose?
      Do I care about the opt in's if I have no opt in before hand?

      I would listen if it was cordial. If didn't come off so arrogant and rude. If you want to play the read game, then go back and look at your comments.

      I tried this way, I got a result, and I will learn from it.

      At the end of the day who cares. You are valued. Congrats. Go help people or knock them down I don't care, just get off it and move on...
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453643].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      John, I don't know why you keep coming back here.. You keep commenting how you're done , and you're not coming back... then rush to reply.

      Now you want to some how sugar coat it and say that you were just being helpful? Far from it. I think your a jerk on high horse.

      You say try offering some value? Wasn't this the purpose?
      Do I care about the opt in's if I have no opt in before hand?

      I would listen if it was cordial. If didn't come off so arrogant and rude. If you want to play the read game, then go back and look at your comments.

      I tried this way, I got a result, and I will learn from it.

      At the end of the day who cares. You are valued. Congrats. Go help people or knock them down I don't care, just get off it and move on...

      Weak and ignorant comments. Ignorant meaning lack of knowledge. Stick with thread subject and maybe teach a little. Teach within your thread not just in your report that is what john was saying, that's what I'd like to see. Teach us something. Produce some content within the thread and let's turn it around. Make it a thread with twice as many positive comments by addding content. Edit the main post and add some of your matierial.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453791].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Half this thread is kind of negative useless comments. That sucks...

    Sorry guys, didn't mean to turn out this way. People just wanted to assume it was a scam immediately. I get it. There is plenty of crap out there. I just hope you guys fight them half as hard as me lol.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453523].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Half this thread is kind of negative useless comments. That sucks...
      It didn't have to be that way.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6453549].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author shortandsave
    Hi, will I dont have experience in phone sales I have a good amount of experinece in B2B face to face and house to house sales. Do you think it be hard for me to implement this business plan? Can you send me the report? Thanks
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6454132].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    John, the doctor is small beans, you can tell by his choice of words and the way he challenges you, don't let him take up you time. Number of posts verses content of his post. To many thing line up for either of us to give him another minute. My piece of advice for you brother. Get that second report to me and make me some more money. Remeber the first year I was partener with you on a project I made $40K you have made me money everytime I get involved. He is right in one thing, you don't need to waste your time with this subject or defending youtself to him to much money to be made and all the important people on her already know who you are again you record speaks for itself. Let the dogs bark. Let us continue helping real people who need it.

    It would be fun to burry him but we have bigger fish to fry.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6455256].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    John is like a nagging woman. Don't know when to shut up
    Signature

    Make $150 everytime someone backs up their computer!
    http://goo.gl/07M6K

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457705].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by rolltide View Post

      John is like a nagging woman. Don't know when to shut up
      Hey now rolltide, I have never met another person who is more like a nagging woman... that wasnt a very nice comment about someone who just wrote you a $500 pitch for free...

      Alright Im out...newbiz got a prop, he feels good.

      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      .. but this is far worst. It's like that negative business owner you call that thinks he knows everything and is going to try to make you look or feel insignificant... only you can't hang up the phone! lol

      No its like a Warrior who is going to be around for twenty more years teaching you how to do it right...and correcting you for doing it in bad form.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457776].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Tell me about it. He has added no value.. I attempted with a pretty good report, and he tried to belittle me. It was kind of gray hat, so I tried it this way. He continues to call me a scammer which kind of gets under my skin. Considering I took the time to respond to all the posts, send out the report for free..

    If I'm used to people like this from sales, and you should be too. Some will, some won't, so what, next.. All I have to say is next!

    .. but this is far worst. It's like that negative business owner you call that thinks he knows everything and is going to try to make you look or feel insignificant... only you can't hang up the phone! lol
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457755].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    Ok warriors time to get back to the subject at hand, the thread subject. Can our host give a general outline or a few nuggets from his report and we can start adding to it.

    Let’s see if we can turn this around and start helping others out, now that everyone has stuck out our chest and our egos.

    It has already been stated that some like the report. So lets use some of its content to create an real thread here. I have started in many threads that I am a sales trainer. This is what I do for a living. I would much rather add to newbiz since he has expressed several times that he just wants to help.

    Let’s do just that. I do not know it all as a trainer. No one trainer does. However I have been given a gift by God and any success I have had comes from the gifts he has given. I use those gifts to help sales people better understand what is given to them and to add all I can.

    So newbiz what do you say that we turn this around and see what we can do to make this a good thread. What are a few nuggets you like about your report? Maybe copy and paste a few good paragraphs.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457795].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    newbiz actually has some decent info john.


    damn, give the man a chance
    Signature

    Make $150 everytime someone backs up their computer!
    http://goo.gl/07M6K

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457830].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I gotta get back to work.

    Rolltide...maybe my problem is that Im too objective... "Are you not reading what Im saying?" Its not the report Im talking about...

    How can we communicate if we arent even on the same page...?

    Its the method Im correcting, not saying the report is bad...

    Break a leg Kid.

    Good luck.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457833].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Charles Huber
      Well Newbiz sent you a pm, love to opt in and give it a good read. Know a really good dude here in Lex that does a ton of telemarketing. Let me know if I can give it a good thorough examination.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457862].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    Ease up and give the man a shot. That's all I'm saying!
    Signature

    Make $150 everytime someone backs up their computer!
    http://goo.gl/07M6K

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457868].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mojo1
    @newbiz

    If you got rolltide and sandalwood who are definitely on the up and up going to bat for this report it must be tha bomb.

    Please pm me a copy asap
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6457898].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Ok guys, screw it. You want me to post the whole report here?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458002].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Ok guys, screw it. You want me to post the whole report here?

      Not at all warrior, just saying lets make this a info thread and start out with some info. Just as you did ealier on another thread. You made some actual points in which I gave kuddos and added to.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458032].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    It's a whole blueprint. I don't want to release bits and pieces.

    I want to provide value of a real company, making sick cash, and how they made their money.

    .. and to top it off I'm sick of pm'ing lol
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458039].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    If you are in sales or in business, you will enjoy

    Here you go warriors.

    http://bit.ly/MEEG91
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458066].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    There ya go. Maybe that is what you should have done in the first place. Look at the bright side. Negative or positive your thread has actually produced multi views, and probably will produce more postive content if you go ahead and edit your original post and add the link there before everyone reads all the arguments .
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458127].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Mike, this was a learning process. Nobody learns well when their being put down, and labeled a scammer.

    I learned from cool people and my experience. It got a **** load of views, and if I promote something. Know it will be worth it.

    -Adam
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458149].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    I think it’s apparent that you’re not a scammer, and you are very correct it is a learning process. Glad you had mentors and experiences. Those are the two best teachers.

    Always have some sort of mentor, I have found that no matter how big you get the very best always has a mentor or two they still bounce things off of and learn from.

    We all are learning still, yet all any of us have is nothing short of a gift from life and God. He is the only real king of the hill anyway.

    As I have done in my life several times I will look back at this year and say, I wish I knew then what I know now. I could have done a lot more good. So will you, and next year we will do more than this year in helping others. In 5 years we will laugh at this year and what we did not know. Hopefully all will admit that we never fully arrive. There is always more work on one’s self as well as helping others.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458212].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Always-A-Warrior
    DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME!!! HE JUST WANTS YOUR EMAILS!!!

    1. He hooks you with someone else's report.
    2. He grabs your email
    3. Nothing to show.

    Scroll to the bottom and has a link going to Home page <<< that goes to this >>> Thanks, for subscribing. « newbizideas312

    This is his site: newbizideas312

    Poor guy needs help bigtime.

    WARRIORS RULES!!!
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458253].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    @Always-A-Warrior another jerk. Are you kidding me?

    You can never win with some people.

    1.This is my report, ass.
    2. I just made this site up and testing **** out. It's a wordpress.com blog forgodsake
    3. nothing to show? thanks for the great feedback.

    What is with all the haters? Wow.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458280].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME!!! HE JUST WANTS YOUR EMAILS!!!
    In a marketing forum that is so funny.

    What's even funnier buddy, is that I let the whole report live, no pm, no email.. nada. For a genuine report that I took my time on and shared.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458309].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      In a marketing forum that is so funny.

      What's even funnier buddy, is that I let the whole report live, no pm, no email.. nada. For a genuine report that I took my time on and shared.
      Yep, your report definitely has tons of value. I would have joint ventured with someone (who had more clout than me) to do a WSO if it was me because it would have made money. You did not and commend you for that. However, I would not have faulted you for selling it either. It has more value than many of the WSO's out there. Some of those people who said negative things are also the ones that would have maybe bought it as a WSO and not said a bad thing after buying it.

      Yes, the way you wrote your initial original post maybe seemed a little sneaky but it is all water under the bridge..no big deal at all in my book. It is funny, how that most probably viewed the initial original post to be a little sneaky but those same people including me seeing this offered in a WSO would not have seen it as underhanded at all....especially after purchasing it.
      Anyway, very good info you offered...and very interesting. I thank you for sharing it.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458429].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    John is a good dude. I just like giving him a hard time. You can learn a lot from him. Ole boy is Passionate about what he does.
    Signature

    Make $150 everytime someone backs up their computer!
    http://goo.gl/07M6K

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458338].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

    What is with all the haters? Wow.
    OP, the reason for all of the 'haters' is this:

    If you want to give something away, fine...but don't require people to unnecessarily jump through hoops, send out PM's and/or give out their email address to receive the data (for example). Requiring people to have a minimum post count and/or sizable email list is even worse.

    There is a place for that - it's not here (i.e. don't do it in the offline sub-forum).

    Some of these points may not be written rules and/or are regarding forum etiquette, but are for certain about respect. Respect your fellow warriors, and they shall respect you back.

    For people like John Durham, that regularly help others and give so freely without asking for anything in return, integrity matters. That is why this thread has generated so much unnecessary flaming.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458848].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Well it's kind of hard when you have a report, you don't know if you should publish, because it's kind of grey hat, but this is how they make money.

    It is funny, how that most probably viewed the initial original post to be a little sneaky but those same people including me seeing this offered in a WSO would not have seen it as underhanded at all....especially after purchasing it.
    Me too. Kind of has me wonder why all the bad wso's are put out that, and don't get nearly the backlash.

    So moral of the story, when you want to give up something of value, something real. Then just sell it otherwise people ignore you, call you a scammer, and the such. I have wasted time with this thread when I was just trying to give something back, perhaps build some business relationships.

    I'm done with that. It's kind of a spit in the face. You should do it this, way or you should have done it that way.. or for god sake after a report someone says, hey if you like this info sign up for me email.

    I'll just stand in the background, and meet some cool people. I don't need to do it anyway. I do it my way, learn from it, and if people want to give feedback, I would defiantly listen, but most comments are just negative to be negative.

    ...

    So I gave away a report. scammer.

    At the end of the report, you can subscribe if you got good info...scammer

    Gave the report away without pms.. scammer.

    With all I did/ or tried to do it was a spit in the face. It's cool I can see how it goes.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6458956].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      Can you PM the link to the report? I'd like to see what all the fuss is about? Has the FBI or CIA been called in to investigate this free give away?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6459102].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    It's in the post guys. I even edited my first post, with the link for ya. Here it is again. Enjoy, it takes you through an entire business model.

    http://bit.ly/MEEG91

    Don't follow hypey products guys. Make your own decision. In fact I don't even endorse this one. Use it to develop your own. Add value to it. Backends, and Lifetime values
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6459188].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    OP: You say that you don't endorse this method. Are you currently working this model? How/Where can we learn more about it?

    Thanks for sharing.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6459446].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author liindsay
    Scum.

    What a snake, offering a "free report" only to "credible" members, to try and get opt-ins LOL.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6461353].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Amber Jalink
      Originally Posted by liindsay View Post

      Scum.

      What a snake, offering a "free report" only to "credible" members, to try and get opt-ins LOL.
      No offence intended Liindsay, but I think you should be a little more polite and stop bashing and calling names.

      In forums, this is NOT deemed as either being professional or legitimate.

      What you are doing is called FLAMING and it is not allowed.

      Did you read the report?

      Probably not.

      EVERY Poster has the right to require a certain amount of "credibility" if they choose to give something away.

      I just don't get it.

      While I didn't come in here on the first day of this thread, I see that the OP has stated several times, he DID NOT require any opt ins to see the report - just that you have a certain number of posts or that you've at least "given back".

      What's wrong with that?

      Perhaps the first post seemed a little shady... but people - give the benefit of the doubt and read the report before you bash.

      I totally understand if he was demanding an opt in (which is against the rules on any of the free threads anyway) - but he isn't.

      A PM is NOT an opt in. It's a private message.

      This is honestly why I DON'T come into this forum every single day typically, because it's SOOO unproductive when crap like this occurs.

      To the OP: Yes, maybe things weren't done 100% correct at the start. You've learned from it - That's what we ALL did when we started on the WF or any other forum.

      It's called learning for a reason.

      Every one of you who has bashed (without reading the report), forgets that YOU were once a "newbie" here.

      Some of us have been on this forum since just about day 1 - the rules have changed many times over the years, but it's still basic etiquette - and that includes how you reply to the OP.

      Back to the OP, and for anyone else who cares...

      I thought the report was excellent actually. Not something I would do as it is, (I'm already focused on a major project and have no desire to be distracted)... HOWEVER, it did spur my mind how it could be twisted or changed to work in other ways. But even without a twist, I thought it was a heck of a lot better than many MANY wso's I've bought and never remarked on (because they were crap).

      The other day someone released a WSO about groupon (in a roundabout way) - the grammar / english was so horrible I nearly went crosseyed by page 8 - and the info only started on page 6 after all the "intros" and legal jargon! And then, 99% of it was NOT new to me, (ignoring alone the grammar/english), it was like a rehash of all news articles and other WSO's that have already been out there, and it was like 80 pages long. Utter trash.

      But, that was my opinion, and I kept it to myself, because while *I* might have the knowledge, others might not.

      My point being: This "post" (since its not a WSO) - went WAYYYYY beyond, excellent grammar/English, and very straightforward.

      Includes call script and everything.

      Eesh.

      If you don't want to read it - DO NOT POST any bashes, because honestly, you don't qualify to, and I think that anyone who posts like that, everyone else should ignore. (And no, I'm not bashing John in any way - but I think it's only fair that the document is read before the OP is labeled or even implied as a scammer - that's at ALL those who made implied or blatant remarks).

      Now that I've wasted enough time here - I'm going to go back to work and get some calls done myself.

      Amber
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6463673].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Wide
    Thanks for the report, not bad.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6461848].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Nova Polzelanka
      Well ...

      Thank you
      newbizideas312 for the report.It is very interesting.

      I am from Europa and i wonder would it work here

      All the best
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6462161].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Wide
        Originally Posted by Nova Polzelanka View Post

        Well ...

        Thank you
        newbizideas312 for the report.It is very interesting.

        I am from Europa and i wonder would it work here

        All the best
        Exactly, a lot these methods will probably not work in the country I live in.
        Signature
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6462266].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Njenyus
    Well, after taking a look at the report, I would say that it like a light-gray hat technique that will give you instant credibility with the companies you cold call.

    I believe it is VERY achievable if someone consistent basis. I believe if the averageerson can stick to it,you can definitely earn $100K+.

    Most times, on the forums, it's not about whether the systems will work or not; it's about taking massive action and immediately implementing the system before talking yourself out of it.

    Great job, @newbizideas312
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6463009].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    @Amber Jalink. I thought your post was dead on, and I want to thank you for the review on the report.

    Know this guys, I had all the best intentions in the world.

    I could have sold this as a wso, but I wanted to provide value to my name first. Especially in a strong forum. Put out an outstanding report, so if I came up with more, it would have to be better street cred.

    I didn't require an opt in, I asked people to pm so I could talk to them and set up relationships.

    @liindsay I hear sarcasm.. hopefully

    @Njenyus, thanks.

    @Stranger Danger...I don't do this anymore because I'm on a value trip. This offers a great value to.. The business which is in the blueprint. At the end of the day they are selling regular radio spots, and inflating the price by 3,000-4,000 percent. All for the name of the children! lol.

    The funny thing is they get a lot of repeat business. Because they imply that they are working with(for) the radio station.

    If you can do it differently with some of the same ingredients, add value, then up sell, then have a back end. etc. you can have a winner.

    ....I'm not hating on anyone making money with this. Do you. It's too big of a world, and you have your own perception. If you want to make those types of returns, have an easier time on the phone, now you have a complete blueprint. Do something with it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6463848].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SendCards
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      The funny thing is they get a lot of repeat business. Because they imply that they are working with(for) the radio station.

      If you can do it differently with some of the same ingredients, add value, then up sell, then have a back end. etc. you can have a winner.
      I liked this report and am racking my brain to figure out some other services or products that could be plugged into this equation for similar results..

      Cheers!

      Chris
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465141].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author fastviper
        Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

        It's all good. Just glad to be done with the attacks..
        Honestly I don't like how you put biz and ideas together on your screen name....


        Nice write up. Good job. Your deal will work.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465493].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
          John Durham, you are doing God's work dude, really.

          John is "old school" Warrior Forum, which almost every post was Mega-Tons of value and real-world info that works without the cat and mouse b.s.

          Most of Johns post and content, if you read them, were just like the "old school" Old Warrior Forum..., posts were content, informative, actionable, proven and rich enough to be WSO's all by themselves.

          I wish more of the older, experienced "old school" warriors from back in the day posted and policed like John, this forum would be getting more closer back to its roots.

          John, don't change anything the way you do, we seriously need that "old school" Warrior Forum desperately back.

          Guys that shoot straight and straight from the hip, with experience and tons of real world success to back it up.

          If you read Johns posts, he's simply saying either offer tons of actionable content or make it a WSO, but simply don't walk in-between offering information coyly and vaguely , that's all he is saying, that is Old School WARRIOR FORUM, where posts were good enough, actionable and actually worked and are working, to be WSO's.

          Old school still works, never stopped working.


          The 13th Warrior
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465863].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I simply can't understand all the drama in this thread.

    I have nothing but respect for older members, but some of you guys treat this forum like a bootcamp, which its not, its a FORUM. There is just entirely too much "boot kicking" (for a lack of better words) on the first page of this thread and its a bit ridiculous.

    This was what bothered me, for about a half a second then I GOT OVER IT.

    The thread title was a strong claim, I clicked in, saw it was a newbie posting.
    It seemed incongruent (a natural flaw of my perception), left a bad taste in my mouth at first.

    THEN I REALIZED that post count MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and people bashing credibility on post count need to learn more about life in general. There are tons of brilliant people in life who don't even use forums. There are even people who don't post on warrior forum who have MORE experience then older vets on this forum.

    Then there are vets who have developed awesome followings and others with more "controversial" followings (this has nothing to do with JD I'm saying you vets definitely aren't perfect just because other people buy your stuff - all it means for sure is that you know how to sell [but it can also obviously imply you're a great peoples person]- but does a strong following mean you should be our moral guides or does it really just mean you know how to push peoples buttons?).

    Perception is not reality, everyone has a different perception, so never get attached to your own individual reality.

    I just don't like the attitude when people force newbies to literally prove themselves to the forum. It seems like bait dropping to me. The OP has NO OBLIGATION to satisfy the owner of this forum. As much as I respect him, its just not what a lot of people are concerned about.

    Is it good form? Sure. Am I going to think any less of him if he doesn't? No.
    Will I think more of him if he DOES? Absolutely.

    But considering those facts, I have absolutely no right (nor does anyone else) to send unsolicited help to someone who never asked for it. This thread wasn't "can you please criticize my thread posting etiquette" yet somehow its turned into that.

    People really just take warrior forum far too seriously (I'm no exception to that).
    I love this place, more than any forum on the net, but just reading through this thread turned my stomach and I KNEW it would get derailed just by reading the first few responses which is unfortunate).

    So CAN WE PLEASE FOCUS ON THE REPORT? (after I apparently just dropped some bait myself lol, it really wasn't my intentions but I AM trying to bring this thread back to center)

    Not everyone on here is trying to be the most successful person in the world. Thats another fact of reality.

    Now let me go read this report and see if I can actually offer something USEFUL for this thread (as I realize this post is a waste of time and even I should know better).

    -Red
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6464456].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    If enough of my peers say Im out of line, then Im out of line.

    Apologies are in order. Im sorry newbiz...No I havent read it at this point, because I have a suspicion that it may be someone who has already asked me to review...via email and I want to respond to that first.

    Again, Tom Angela... Warriors, it struck me last night that we have a responsibility not only to defend this place but also to "represent it" in a good light, so as to respect our fellow warriors association.

    On another note newbiz, if you want to blow this thread up, then Change the title and put "Free Report-Click Here- No Optin" (then the rest of your title)..
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6464473].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    John you are the most passionate person I probably know on this forum (I don't know you personally but I know enough to know you always come from a place of good will), and thats why no matter what comment I ever make about you I will STILL always respect you a huge deal.

    You are a very skilled salesman, I aspire to model you in life and learn everything you know, but that can naturally intimidate people, and sometimes I just think you don't realize how intimidating you can actually be.

    EVEN WHEN you get off topic, you STILL MANAGE TO ADD A TON OF VALUE TO EVERYTHING YOU WRITE. It almost makes it impossible for people to flow against your grain. So anytime I think of commenting to you in any form, I think about it 100 times before I do.

    I don't want to get on your bad side, I respect you, and thanks for being such a cool person in general to get along with.

    -Red
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6464705].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    It's all good. Just glad to be done with the attacks..

    The title already had a pretty good response, but I'm all for testing buddy. just edited it we'll.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465066].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Honestly I don't like how you put biz and ideas together on your screen name....
    There is a comment that should turn this thread around. yes!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465729].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I was just shaking you down... If its good I may send it to my list. If it can add value to their experience.

    You could also just end the "free" part right now , with so many good reviews, and start charging.

    Enough people think you are legit and trust your intentions.

    Lemme know what you decide and I will read in the meantime. My list isnt huge but they like good stuff.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465849].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    LOOOOOOOOONG copy still sells baby!

    Actually this thread is some of the best copy ever. This guy proved himself against a challenge.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465879].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Damn John you get fan mail everywhere... haha. Cheers.

    I was just shaking you down.
    To say the least. I will keep it up a few more days, and decide. I would like to know your thoughts also...You were pretty dead on with the police fraternity example..but at that time you were just slamming me.. haha
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465886].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Damn John you get fan mail everywhere... haha. Cheers.



      To say the least. I will keep it up a few more days, and decide. I would like to know your thoughts also...You were pretty dead on with the police fraternity example..but at that time you were just slamming me.. haha
      Sorry bro... I realized how insane it was last night. Old school people were hardcore, thats why I use to lurk alot...they would smack you down first and ask questions later... but also part of that needs to change just a little....because new people come here and they need to see us in a better light. Sorry man. Maybe you can slam me back later, we can both take it and still come out ok it appears.

      Ps. In your case, maybe even for the better.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465900].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        Sorry bro... I realized how insane it was last night. Old school people were hardcore, thats why I use to lurk alot...they would smack you down first and ask questions later... but also part of that needs to change just a little....because new people come here and they need to see us in a better light. Sorry man. Maybe you can slam me back later, we can both take it and still come out ok it appears.

        Ps. In your case, maybe even for the better.



        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


        but also part of that needs to change just a little....because new people come here and they need to see us in a better light.

        ONLY just a "little"...., please.

        On the old school forum, more people became financially independent and have a quality of knowledge that was not a "one trick pony".

        The " little", should be, in my humble opinion:

        When someone asks a question or makes a statement about some product or idea that is presented to the forum, the question or statement will have ALL these meanings:

        1) We are questioning the real world dynamics and problems that we, with experience, know happens and ask how your idea and product handles that,

        2) Are you posting copy to sell a WSO or are you offering actionable content that works that you are currently doing or are doing..,?

        3) We are about to correct you in your presentation, etiquette, forum culture and forum rules for content and quality, and this is why,

        4) Before we give you a smash-mouth beat down, here are the reasons why in accordance with forum culture, forum rules, forum etiquette and forum quality we are about to do so,

        5) Just like old school parents, we are going to give a clear and articulate explanation on why we are going to whip your ass, in accordance with forum protocols, and when we finish, the ass-whipping will commence.


        The 13th Warrior
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6466279].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    It's cool. This thread was a good lesson. In posting. How to start. In etiquette. In ego. In forgiving. In starting relationships...And if you know you have a good product. Don't be scared to stay with it and back it up.

    We live in a society where everyone's guard is up. With good reason, but we forget there is good out there, and good lessons still out there to learn.

    -Adam Tyler.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6465935].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    I just remembered something that really cracks me up. If you knew my friend who still does this (over 12 years now), and heard him pitch your mouth would drop.

    He literally closes 1 out of every 4 people. Keep in mind this is like top 5% good. He is the best I have seen.

    If you read the report you will hear some of his jokes that work amazingly well.

    When he cold calls businesses, he can start like this.

    Hey it's Bob Smith with, _____I told you I wouldn't call till this time next year, did I keep my promise?

    Never talked to this person in his life...I wish I had a recording of him, but we stopped talking. You'd be surprised what confidence does on the phone.

    To end on a useful note. He has a lot of fun talking to people. Learn to have fun and it ain't work.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6466122].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Colm Whelan
    All this sabre rattling and practically no reviews of the content.

    It's a dark grey- (if not outright black-) hat approach to brokering radio ad slots. The main idea is to use "borrowed credibility" (aka misrepresentation) to sell SERIOUSLY overpriced ad slots to unsuspecting local businesses under the guise of "helping the community". (more misrepresentation)

    If you have any interest in building a sterling reputation or real credibility then run like hell. If you belive in providing your customers with value then do the same. Think honesty is the best policy? This is not for you, then.

    It's my personal belief that anyone who promotes such a method brings their own bona fides into question. Yes, OP, I know you say you don't promote this method but that's a cop out. You're either in favour of this kind of approach or you're not. I reckon putting your name to it speaks volumes.

    @JohnDurham - I don't get why you're apologising. You've said nothing out of line.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6466479].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Cory

    I dont know either....lol...but alot of my peers seem to think Im out of line and if I truly respect their opinions and pay attention out of respect for the fact that their names may be associated with mine as friends...

    It wasnt straight bullying but if it looked like it it can bring reproach. The bible say to flee from things that even APPEAR evil, because they can bring reproach upon you whether you are right or wrong, and thats wise.

    I think shaking someone down is right, but maybe getting so rowdy was out of line.

    Everything we do reflects on the forum.

    Also, sometimes after a day like that you walk away real hurt not only over the things that were said to you, but just the rough vibe you gave others... right or wrong it puts a black emotional shadow on you...and I went to bed last night feeling crummy so I just wanted to clear the air.

    I cant see anything I did wrong- but it just didnt feel good and for that Im sorry.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6467147].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    John, my friend you are an awkward fellow. If you don't know what you to your apologizing, then why do it?

    You come on say some brash stuff, then apologize, then you don't know what your apologizing for..

    @anotherfan aka :Colm Whelan .. The positive is that most radio stations know this, they've known it all along. How much is unsold time worth? $0. You think they like to profit?

    As radio continues to decline, they barter and have better deals. So like I said it's grey, but don't go there, Colm Whelan.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6467338].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    I cant see anything I did wrong- but it just didnt feel good and for that Im sorry.
    Do you guys apologize just because the mass wants you too?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6467346].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author SteveFox
    I can't believe those numbers. Yes, if its too good to be true, it is not.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6467877].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      I read over John's posts, and again, don't see anything he did wrong.

      I also disagree with John's "peers".

      Unless his peers are saying John could have asked questions in a better presentation, like a Detective Friday, without extra embellishments of his opinion, maybe.

      But in this age of frauds and scams, one trick ponies and quick buck artists, his type questioning is definitely needed, in fact, sorely needed.

      That's why they put 6'10" , 360 lbs. of pure solid muscled bodyguards at the entrance of an establishment; they want to send a message ahead of time that nonsense will not be tolerated and that these guys "specialize" in extricating those who "specialize" in nonsense.

      And besides, he is one of the few Warriors who deserves latitude because of his experience, what he brings to the table, the money he made himself and countless others, workable and working content put in posts, integrity and overall old school forum "ways" and reputation.

      He has earned that right; many, many of us have not.

      Unless his "peers" want to "Tony Robbins" this forum and make it more mainstream friendly to attract more potential income, which the "old school" forum/community cared NOTHING about.

      I've seen other forums where they either pussy-foot around and/or totally destroy all non-natives or have unbalanced nepotism because of products they and the community are pushing and the close knit members/forum support of said product/services.

      There are two main reasons people come to this forum: to make money and/or to find credible information.

      The problem is the old Warrior forum had a concentration of members that were more the latter, and now, we are getting an abundance of the former at some expense.

      I don't want this forum to turn into mainstream friendly or extremely unfriendly and closed minded....,

      I also don't want a "Tony Robbins" overly friendly, Chicken Soup for the Soul type forum where everything is "n-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-c-e".

      I want real, experienced people, detective questioning people, asking real questions, asking the right questions, with real emotions.., with people having a FULL, healthy FEAR of getting put through the grinder, steal jack-boots ready, if they come lame and come weak without REAL contribution that can be tasted , measured and is tangible in the real world.

      Also, in the old school forum, "theories"...,NOTHING wrong with theories and creativity; most of the theories were expanded off of something that is currently working or worked, and it was a serious discussion to actually put a more simple system together, using the most powerful elements of said system, using other members to assist in assembling a model to actually "test" said theory, make it low cost set up and doable by the average guy with all the benefits of the previous model ,and this brain trust was usually from experienced marketers.

      Part of the frauds and scams is from people who make products/courses who NEVER actually done it at all, nor tested what they are instructing others to do. One of the "gluts" of internet marketing. And other business opportunities like Real Estate..., a glut of people telling others of something they NEVER did themselves, their success was in selling product and selling the dream of something they have not done themselves.

      I would simply like a designated 6'10" 360 lb., Airbourne trained, 23rd degree Black belted Gorilla with muscles of iron at the entrance that nip potential nonsense, theory, frauds and scams before they ever get traction.

      John has earned that right.


      The 13th Warrior
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6468070].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by The 13th Warrior View Post

        John has earned that right.


        The 13th Warrior
        Since you have been around here since '07 and i have read some of your helpful posts i would say
        you have also earned that right.

        Truth be told, i think any one that has been here for a while,
        is a contributing member, an asset to others, who realizes this
        isn't a contest or personal piggy bank to rape daily ...

        Has earned that right
        Signature

        Selling Ain't for Sissies!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6468309].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    @Jodi thanks so much. Very kind words, and great review.

    @The 13th Warrior. Although I respect your time as a member, I don't know what the meaning of that post was.. So long..and also not what the thread needed to continue.

    We were on a really good start, and you had to introduce long winded negativity back, confirming how through 4 pages of John's posts you thought he was right. Which added nothing of value.

    Which is what this thread has become. Nothing of value, except the report.

    There really should be a specific thread, backing up all Johns posts on the warrior forum. This might make other threads shorter, maybe even more valuable, and John could maybe even offer some "I love John" t-shirts, who knows.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470030].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post


      There really should be a specific thread, backing up all Johns posts on the warrior forum. This might make other threads shorter, maybe even more valuable, and John could maybe even offer some "I love John" t-shirts, who knows.

      Don't know what this means, which means most points were lost, but ok..,

      How about all the people that loved the report assemble or talk over a scaled down model for testing, if that is possible?

      Something doable and actionable , not in theory but fact for testing.

      Any information can sound great and numbers add up, but what will a real world test show the numbers to actually be?

      Yeah, sure, it depends on the talent doing the test and all that, but it still needs testing.


      The 13th Warrior
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470296].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    sarcasm rocks ;-)
    Signature

    Mike

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470286].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Newbiz, Im apologizing for casting a bad vibe on the forum and not representing.... As for shaking you down....you came out clean, I think in the end that part was all appropriate, and maybe even the power of "good" working on your behalf in disguise.

    If Im an awkward fellow, then thats a compliment. I was once told that great minds are often misunderstood.

    As for all of these other things you are saying, dont be so quick to jump and attack , you are winning. Dont blow it.

    A judge once told me, "You are winning, leave it alone", dont spike the ball, or else that could lead to another less pleasant lesson.

    Ps. In other words "Your lack of humility is showing".
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470332].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Vija
    Great effort.
    Signature

    vija

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470492].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Ah... one more thing.

    I dont let the masses make my decisions, however Im wise enough to heed wise counsel from members I respect. Something you could learn from.

    As far as adding value to this thread?

    This very post, will get you 100 downloads over the next year.

    Think bigger man.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470493].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ginnysclub1
    Thanks for the report.

    I thought it was well written, very concise and to the point. However, I live in the UK and don't know how realistic this strategy would be, as I have never heard one of the announcement that you talk about in report. So, I'm going to give a local radio station a call and find out what's available.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470612].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    "I love John" t-shirts .....hahahahahahahahaha


    thats pretty funny
    Signature

    Make $150 everytime someone backs up their computer!
    http://goo.gl/07M6K

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6470807].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
    Hey newbiz, I'd like to read that report. Can't get it from the link you provided, doesnt seem to work anymore.

    Thanks, and ignore the drama queens, I can't believe what I just read in this thread... Im losing faith in humanity.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6476431].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Originally Posted by wolfez View Post

    Hey newbiz, I'd like to read that report. Can't get it from the link you provided, doesnt seem to work anymore.

    Thanks, and ignore the drama queens, I can't believe what I just read in this thread... Im losing faith in humanity.

    Believe it wolvez. If I were in the wrong this report would still be listed for free right now.

    If one wants to give content that one thing, but the proper thing to do when you want to advertise a JV opportunity to people with big lists and influence is not to take advantage of the forum without adding content.

    Personally if I want to get reviews or opt ins or whatever...even free reports...I will eiother post the report right here on the forum for free, or I will PAY ALLEN HIS $40 bucks to advertise in the WSO section...

    Any advertising I "indirectly" get from a thread is because I work hard and share ALOT of free info, to where a person could work my plans without even buying a report...So they buy it because they appreciate my efforts, not because I solicited anything.

    Soliciting is "bad form", and it has been stated here that this was meant for people with big lists...so what do you think the intention is? Be logical.

    The universal laws. Sowing and reaping.

    We had to pry like nails to get this guy to give anything on the thread itself, then he quickly pulled it after he listed it.

    Thus, the intention was not sharing in the first place.

    Hate me if Im wrong, but Im right.

    We are asked to be member moderators help mod the forum and I am not the first warrior who has done that passionately, just one of the few Offline who does.

    In any event "Why isnt it still for free? Surely not because of this thread.... That isnt even logical or rational.

    So Im right.

    This is coming from someone who has free reports listed all over the forum with no optin and I dont make a dime or even a new person in my network for it...maybe a new reader here and there, and I get to see someone [pop up and say "Hey I got a sale from your free report every now and then", anything I ask people to opt into or review for me, ....anything self serving...I pay $40 bucks for in the WSO section.

    Its the way we are SUPPOSED to do it I believe.

    If Im wrong correct me someone. Would love to hear from a mod.

    Last note to wolvez- Losing faith in humanity?

    Over this?

    Need to strengthen that resolve, put faith in YOURSELF and "observe" humanity and learn. A thinking man changes and evolves his beliefs with what life experience confirms to him, he isnt shaken so easily, he just observes and learns and grows from his observations. His faith is in God and /or his own strength.

    Sometimes there is a bigger picture. Sometimes war is humane.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478012].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Justin Lavoie
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post


      Last note to wolvez- Losing faith in humanity?

      Over this?

      Need to strengthen that resolve, put faith in YOURSELF and "observe" humanity and learn. A thinking man changes and evolves his beliefs with what life experience confirms to him, he isnt shaken so easily, he just observes and learns and grows from his observations. His faith is in God and /or his own strength.

      Sometimes there is a bigger picture. Sometimes war is humane.
      Ah well John, it was just a way of showing my exasperation. In reality, I can't really lose what I don't have.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478618].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Abul-Hussain
    Is this report on sale because my request for a copy didn't seem to work?

    Abul
    Signature
    Author | Speaker | Digital Marketing Coach

    I help ordinary people achieve extraordinary results online. Get in touch to see how we can help you build a 6 figure business.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478160].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    No abdul

    Here's why:

    Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

    Sorry big hitter, can't do that. Trying to give this out to members who help out the community.
    Translation: only people with potential "Influence" and high post count. I want to leverage their influence to sell this to all the other less deserving people, only big contributors can ride in the life boat... "important" people...

    I rest my case. You would have to be reading this with blinders on not to see whats going on with this. This is not unabashedly giving something away out of the kindness of your heart to all warriors. Its selective....and it has an agenda.

    I wont tell you what you can read for yourself.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478362].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Abul-Hussain
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      No abdul

      Here's why:



      Translation: only people with potential "Influence" and high post count. I want to leverage their influence to sell this to all the other less deserving people, only big contributors can ride in the life boat... "important" people...

      I rest my case. You would have to be reading this with blinders on not to see whats going on with this. This is not unabashedly giving something away out of the kindness of your heart to all warriors. Its selective....and it has an agenda.

      I wont tell you what you can read for yourself.
      Jeez and I thought English was my first language :rolleyes:

      With all due respect John, contribution is a subjective matter. I believe in qualitative contribution over quantitative banter, which makes up a lot of the post count for a lot of people. Influence on the other hand is different kettle of fish.

      Anyway, my last post was to see if the report had gone on sale yet, as I'm sure is the OP's intention. The reviews so far seem good, so I am interested in buying a copy.

      Abul
      Signature
      Author | Speaker | Digital Marketing Coach

      I help ordinary people achieve extraordinary results online. Get in touch to see how we can help you build a 6 figure business.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479548].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Abul-Hussain View Post

        I believe in qualitative contribution over quantitative banter, which makes up a lot of the post count for a lot of people. Influence on the other hand is different kettle of fish.


        Abul
        Influence is earned through quality contribution at the Warrior forum my friend, not given because anyone is a "special" case, dont belittle it.

        If a person has influence here they usually earned it.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479569].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Abul-Hussain
          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Influence is earned through quality contribution at the Warrior forum my friend, dont belittle it. If a person has influence here they usually earned it.
          No argument on that point John. Just the mention about high post count had to be clarified. Hey, my background is in law so I'm programmed to pick on the little details!

          Abul
          Signature
          Author | Speaker | Digital Marketing Coach

          I help ordinary people achieve extraordinary results online. Get in touch to see how we can help you build a 6 figure business.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479584].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by Abul-Hussain View Post

        Jeez and I thought English was my first language :rolleyes:

        With all due respect John, contribution is a subjective matter. I believe in qualitative contribution over quantitative banter, which makes up a lot of the post count for a lot of people. Influence on the other hand is different kettle of fish.

        Anyway, my last post was to see if the report had gone on sale yet, as I'm sure is the OP's intention. The reviews so far seem good, so I am interested in buying a copy.

        Abul
        There is a difference between providing value and baiting people in order to make sales. Obviously the product creator doesn't have thick skin to deal with criticism in the community, that is pretty obvious.

        If you want to talk about influence, this thread never would have made it to more than 50 replies if John wasn't the first post. People get on here not just to learn, but follow and read certain posters who have helped or contributed to the point that it has effected THEM.

        Man... I'm glad I didn't ever click in the beginning. LOL.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479579].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rolltide
    John reminds me of a grumpy old man whittling a stick at the gazebo on the courthouse square. Sometimes, you wonder why he is the way he is. He is just trying to teach us young hustlers a few things he has learned in the trenches over the years. Keep being yourself John!
    Signature

    Make $150 everytime someone backs up their computer!
    http://goo.gl/07M6K

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478454].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rushindo
    Warriors, you know what would be nice?

    A "nuke" button that if pressed by enough Warriors, the thread explodes into oblivion. I'll be the first to press it for this thread.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478503].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author rushindo
    Warriors, you know what would be nice?

    A "nuke" button that if pressed by enough Warriors, the thread explodes into oblivion. I'll be the first to press it for this thread.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478507].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Roll tide, speaking of which- not to be like a woman or anything-

      Im 43, and sometimes grumpy but mostly full of love. Love looks all kinds of different ways... There is love for people like newbiz, and love for your co posters, and love for the forum, and love for yourself...

      Your love for starving children may mean that you have to make war against alot of diplomatic people who can justify while their children are starving with the best intentions.... That love you feel will create a war.

      Its not grumpiness.

      Sometimes those various types of love have different agendas, which means war...

      It appears grumpy, however if you look at it, its not...if you look objectively... However, if grumpy is how its perceived I can handle it.

      I dont expect to make much sense to most people... But I dont expect that most people will ever make it in the music business, get a fulltime pub deal, or build a million dollar company...so being misunderstood is to be expected.

      In any event, I was right:

      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      Sorry big hitter, can't do that. Trying to give this out to members who help out the community.
      Thats my last post... Have a good one.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478551].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author ShayB
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Roll tide, speaking of which- not to be like a woman or anything-
        And this is supposed to infer....what, exactly? :confused:
        Signature
        "Fate protects fools, little children, and ships called Enterprise." ~Commander Riker
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478958].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by ShayRockhold View Post

          And this is supposed to infer....what, exactly? :confused:

          Uuuuuuuuh Oooooh..... "Now" I said something wrong. lol

          No it was referring to a comment he made comparing "someone" to a "nagging" woman Shay.... Which you dont fit that description.... He just as easily could have said nagging Man?

          Me too. We are both guilty of partaking of the inappropriate primate terminology. Sorry.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479083].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author paradoxical
    newbizideas312 kindly let me have a copy of his report.It is what i call a stripey hat as in not black or white!!
    I defiantly see value in it and could be a big buck earner in the right hands.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6478651].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    Signature
    Promise Big.
    Deliver Bigger.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479353].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Guys watch out for John, I'm not to sure about him, I think he is scandous and only out to benefit his own self image.

    Without any hate. Hear me out.

    So John writes..

    Believe it wolvez. If I were in the wrong this report would still be listed for free right now.
    He's the one who told me to take it down a few posts ago.

    Re: FREE REPORT-$8 million dollar telemarketing business-3000% returns.
    I was just shaking you down... If its good I may send it to my list. If it can add value to their experience.

    You could also just end the "free" part right now , with so many good reviews, and start charging.

    Enough people think you are legit and trust your intentions.

    Lemme know what you decide and I will read in the meantime. My list isnt huge but they like good stuff.


    You guys see this ****??

    He is playing whatever game he wants for his own benefit.

    I stopped because this thread turned into crap. I wanted to leave this thread alone, and I really thought it would just go away. This was turning valuable information into a hate thread on how people shouldn't be treated

    According to your all mighty leader..

    LOOOOOOOOONG copy still sells baby!


    Actually this thread is some of the best copy ever. This guy proved himself against a challenge.



    Enough people think you are legit and trust your intentions.

    Lemme know what you decide and I will read in the meantime. My list isnt huge but they like good stuff.


    I don't know what to say about it, but it's just really shady to say the least. I had the gull to put up with 5 pages of your nonesense, prove myself, then you are now trying to take it away?

    Everyone.. earmuffs... lol.. nah I will just leave it to your imagination.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479451].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    In any event, I was right:

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by newbizideas312
    Sorry big hitter, can't do that. Trying to give this out to members who help out the community.
    Thats my last post... Have a good one.
    No it's not quit lying. already dude.

    Or do I have to make you look like an ass again, and apologize?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479463].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I advised that you "could" you to take it down newbiz and choose to sell it -Like a man- not like a victim (read your OP edits) . Be real and say I want to sell it now- thats what I was saying that the opp was there, but the victim way you played it off was cowardly and lacked authenticity.

    Sorry.

    yeah Im bad I just gave more content in one thread than many do in most reports TODAY alone...I want you to learn from it not hate on it. Im trying to be an example since you are "new".

    Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post



    Or do I have to make you look like an ass again, and apologize?
    Your pattern of deliberately making me look like an ass through making yourself a victim is validated again here, and even shows that you are capable of doing it intentionally....You are revealing this to the forum only through your own words ...and not just my observations.

    Have at it dude. You are losing your false humility facade.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479480].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SendCards
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Your pattern of deliberately making me look like an ass through making yourself a victim is validated again here, and even shows that you are capable of doing it intentionally....
      John, you need no help in this area as of late...you should really take a breath and step off..

      C
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479640].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    no dude something is off with you, and I'm just pointing it out. I would really appreciate you starting some other thread about b.s... maybe when I'm bored I'll point out how you play different angles.. then again. I won't because I don't have negative intentions like you.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479499].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      no dude something is off with you, and I'm just pointing it out. I would really appreciate you starting some other thread about b.s... maybe when I'm bored I'll point out how you play different angles.. then again. I won't because I don't have negative intentions like you.
      Whatever...what is off with me is that I am wasting too much time on you newby, be wise and take your counsil and go on... I think the point is made... You didnt make an ass out of me, I will out live this by 50 years, and still be a legendary warrior. This is just another thread out of a half million.

      Marketers know that.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479528].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I avoided this thread until now because it just seemed useless, scammy, and a waste of time.

    After seeing the OP, I now see that I was wise in my decision to not click until now, LOL.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479543].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ IAM

    All the other people like me saw me get it first and said "darn", and they just went and got some popcorn. lol
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479585].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Why do you keep coming back here? You've stated multiple times how you're done and it's beneath you right?

    You were the first to challenge me, I stood up, and proved myself. You apologized, because you knew I wasn't peddling crap, and I had no bad intententions.

    You added no value to this thread, and with 1/2 the post count.. you didn't even read the thing. Get off your high horse sir and move on.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479586].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    You proved your self and then you disproved yourself again and made me a fool... the report was good, but the slimy intentions of insulting our intelligence....As someone said, this is the Warrior Forum, not fools corner.

    Im not bumping your scammy thread anymore dude.Have fun.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479618].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    baiting people in order to make sales.
    Really bro? You can't see that this was a learning process. asked for pm first to see if they were contrbuting to the community.. then I guess that was in the wrong, so I released it for free on the public forum.

    Then a senior member told me to pull it down and sell it.


    Man... I'm glad I didn't ever click in the beginning. LOL.
    yeah I know..
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479629].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Im not bumping your scammy thread anymore dude.Have fun.
    yes you will.. but only if it makes you look good at that time.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479632].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    If anyone wants to know why I pulled it down, was because It didn't do what I wanted. offer a valuable discussion.. It turned into me defending myself. Which was fine, but after acknowledgement that I was an ok fella, with no bad intentions, and being **** on again.. I knew the potential for this thread to turn around was over.

    I offered a free report. that people liked, without having to opt in, and somehow I'm the bad guy. That's cool.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479646].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by newbizideas312 View Post

      If anyone wants to know why I pulled it down, was because It didn't do what I wanted. offer a valuable discussion.. It turned into me defending myself. Which was fine, but after acknowledgement that I was an ok fella, with no bad intentions, and being **** on again.. I knew the potential for this thread to turn around was over.

      I offered a free report. that people liked, without having to opt in, and somehow I'm the bad guy. That's cool.
      Stop whining... winners don't whine and complain. I don't care if your report was good or not, the way you're responding is kind of lame.

      You took your report down because you were tired of the scrutiny. Your goal isn't to provide valuable discussion, if it was, you would just delete this thread, start over and fix the mistakes you made in this thread.

      You should do the right thing and just delete this thread. It's useless. You already took down the report, which was the POINT of the thread for you to make money off of, but now it's just a waste.

      Go to the OP, click edit, and delete post.

      Good lord... To know that this crap was on the top of the forum all week, and continues to be bumped EVEN THOUGH THE THREAD IS NOW USELESS, is really irritating. This is some preselling BS if I've ever saw it.

      Asking for PMs was a bad move... posting the report for everyone to see, maybe wasn't a bad idea, but after generating interest and realizing you could sell it once you got enough response was a b*tch move.

      Useless.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479702].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    This sub-forum is turning to puke.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[6479703].message }}

Trending Topics