My Offline Plan - Criticism Requested

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Good Day all

I have been lurking around the offline forum for a bit and have finally put together what I think is a solid offline plan...I would love some critiques, opinions, suggestions and guidance.

Chosen offline method: Local industry specific business directories

Step one: Niche and keywords
Niche: restaurants
Keywords: best restaurants in city, best "type of restaurant" in city

Step Two: Domain and Site build
I will be looking for an emd: bestresaurantsincity dot com/info/org, whichever is available.

Build a simple but effective directory site utilizing the directorypress theme (unless anyone has any better suggestions).

Site title will be: Best Restaurants in City

Site Categories will be: best Italian restaurants in city, best Chinese restaurants in city, best Mexican restaurants in city, etc...

I will choose some restaurants to fill some of the categories for free to give the site some meat to start.

Site is now complete and listings ready to be sold

Step Three: Sales
Hire telemarketers - odesk, elance, other suggestions welcome.
Provide telemarketers with Bower 2.0 script to use to sell. They will be closing the sales and collecting payment information that will be forwarded to me to enter into my merch account.

Step Four: listings/follow ups
Once sold, I will be creating the premium listings purchased.
I will also be creating facebook/twitter accounts to facilitate continued seo and promotions for the sites.

SEO is going to be my biggest hang up I think, I am not entirely sure how to SEO a local site.

This is pretty much it, I am sure I am missing pieces and need to refine the plan...that is why I am putting here, I would love anyone's thoughts, ideas and suggestions.

Thanks in advance for any help you are willing to give,
Have an awesome Day
Adrian
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  • Profile picture of the author abelamorales
    Originally Posted by avandrunen View Post

    Step Three: Sales
    Hire telemarketers - odesk, elance, other suggestions welcome.
    Provide telemarketers with Bower 2.0 script to use to sell. They will be closing the sales and collecting payment information that will be forwarded to me to enter into my merch account.
    What's the Bower 2.0 script?
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  • Profile picture of the author avandrunen
    Hi Abel,

    It is a script specific to the Bower 2.0 method that was released by John Durham.

    He is one of the heavy weight telemarketers that frequents this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhonmendieta
      Originally Posted by avandrunen View Post

      Hi Abel,

      It is a script specific to the Bower 2.0 method that was released by John Durham.

      He is one of the heavy weight telemarketers that frequents this forum.

      Interesting, D you have a link or something for this BOWER 2.0???

      Other than that , your plan seems very solid, Just one quick Observation, picked another niche, Restaurants are hit by everybody, and you will find that they were called by somebody else already
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    Appears you want to create a niche directory site for restaurants and then offer premium listings. You competition will be tough, your position on Google Search results and monthly web traffic will be key for you selling premium packages.
    To be honest with you, I have seen many people try this. One of the best ones here I have seen in San Diego is DiscoverSD. Best San Diego Restaurants | Restaurants in San Diego
    There are many companies like this in each city. IMO...you can do this...but don't expect any big money right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    I do not know if this is viable for you.

    By checking "best Italian restaurants in new york" for example in GKWT, only 140 exact searches a month.. and its the highest i found.

    So even if you do make the sales themselves (i don't think it is difficult), the problem remains that you do not provide value to your customers, as they wont be generating lots of leads from you.

    Just my 2 cent thought
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    1. With the domain bestresturantincity.com I as a searcher expect reviews not just a director listing. Whne I search for stuff like that locally a small local newspaper that runs a best of once a year always comes up and I love trying their choices though clearly some of the voted best places I personally hate.

    1b. I would something similar to the DiscoverSD mentioned above for domain.

    2. This is not a business model for quick cash. You have to build the traffic and such to justify it. Also in bigger cities your directory competition will be high so it might be worth it to create directory sites for smaller and overlooked metro areas. Say Appleton, WI vs. Madison. Muscatine, IA vs. Des Moines, IA. It will be more work to make multiple smaller city directories but they will be easier to rank and without the compeition IMO they will be easier to sell to local businesses. And no one will be stealing your customers. Price it right and it will be a set it and forget it business model.
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    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      It sounds like you don't have a good enough grasp on local seo to contemplate doing this. There are many marketers out there who are better than you at doing this.

      This requires a lot of upfront money and time. Do you have both?

      If not, time to reevaluate. Good luck and get back to us.
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      • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
        Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

        It sounds like you don't have a good enough grasp on local seo to contemplate doing this. There are many marketers out there who are better than you at doing this.

        This requires a lot of upfront money and time. Do you have both?

        If not, time to reevaluate. Good luck and get back to us.
        Sorry to say, but you are talking horse ****.

        WTF "There are many marketers out there who are better than you" ?

        this could be reflected on everything in life, its the WORSE way to look at things.

        dont listen to this guy mate
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
        Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

        It sounds like you don't have a good enough grasp on local seo to contemplate doing this. There are many marketers out there who are better than you at doing this.

        This requires a lot of upfront money and time. Do you have both?

        If not, time to reevaluate. Good luck and get back to us.


        As an offline national sales trainer I have trained literally hundreds and hundreds of sales people, marketers etc. I have built sales team after sales team, consulted business after business owner and turned around I don’t know how many situations for companies. I just left a business who paid me over $4,000 to train their staff for one day. No I did not get where I am over night either. However I was invited to come to the forum by a veteran warrior a few months back to help others. That is exactly what I intend to do.

        That being said, My advice is to completely ignore the comment from offline doctor saving one point, it will take a lot of time and energy to get it done.

        I will say this my friend, you must be sold to your plan. It must not be something your are trying. If it is something you are doing you will succeed. If it something you are going to try you may indeed fail.

        Ps. Adrian outsource what you are not professional in.
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        • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
          So, you stated the same thing I said, hmmmmmm?

          I know of a lot of people who make far more than $4,000 a day to train staff. Nothing special dude. If all you're getting is 4k a day with all your experience then you are doing a terrible job at marketing yourself.

          You may know how to train but your not marketing yourself correctly.


          Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

          As an offline national sales trainer I have trained literally hundreds and hundreds of sales people, marketers etc. I have built sales team after sales team, consulted business after business owner and turned around I don't know how many situations for companies. I just left a business who paid me over $4,000 to train their staff for one day. No I did not get where I am over night either. However I was invited to come to the forum by a veteran warrior a few months back to help others. That is exactly what I intend to do.

          That being said, My advice is to completely ignore the comment from offline doctor saving one point, it will take a lot of time and energy to get it done.

          I will say this my friend, you must be sold to your plan. It must not be something your are trying. If it is something you are doing you will succeed. If it something you are going to try you may indeed fail.

          Ps. Adrian outsource what you are not professional in.
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
            Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

            So, you stated the same thing I said, hmmmmmm?

            I know of a lot of people who make far more than $4,000 a day to train staff. Nothing special dude. If all you're getting is 4k a day with all your experience then you are doing a terrible job at marketing yourself.

            You may know how to train but your not marketing yourself correctly.
            I know a ton of trainers that don't receive that in a day as a matter of fact majority are less than half that. I know very few that get paid more actually only two not as a trainer. The way you are talking shows your inexperience. I doubt you know these people. If so I'd be glad to give those trainers a call and find out what they are doing different since most I run into make half what I do in a day. Please my firend if its not what you do move on to what you know about before you get in trouble quoting in the field other actually work in.

            Give me names and numbers my friend and I will check it out this is something I know.Trainers are always welcome to share with one another. The way you express yourself shows you lack of understanding so I will spend no more time commenting with you. There are to many here to help than to debate with someone who speaks out of turn not truly helping others. You choice of words shows you lack of understanding to thsoe who are actual professionals on the forum.

            Note: I nor john durham are hiding beind a sign in name of any sort. We know who we are and stand by our knowledge. We both have proven records that can be easliy tracked. Now who are you again? Because as well know as john is I am sure several people will know who you are if you have done more than john? If you have straight answers I'm in and will listen. If you divert in anyway or try to strike back with questions to pull the focus off you, I will indeed not give it any time as stated already. I suggest you learn how bteer to help people. Critiques indeed do that but yours did not.
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            • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
              Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

              I know a ton of trainers that don't receive that in a day as a matter of fact majority are less than half that. I know very few that get paid more actually only two not as a trainer. The way you are talking shows your inexperience. I doubt you know these people. If so I'd be glad to give those trainers a call and find out what they are doing different since most I run into make half what I do in a day. Please my firend if its not what you do move on to what you know about before you get in trouble quoting in the field other actually work in.

              Give me names and numbers my friend and I will check it out this is something I know.Trainers are always welcome to share with one another. The way you express yourself shows you lack of understanding so I will spend no more time commenting with you. There are to many here to help than to debate with someone who speaks out of turn not truly helping others. You choice of words shows you lack of understanding to thsoe who are actual professionals on the forum.

              Note: I nor john durham are hiding beind a sign in name of any sort. We know who we are and stand by our knowledge. We both have proven records that can be easliy tracked. Now who are you again? Because as well know as john is I am sure several people will know who you are if you have done more than john? If you have straight answers I'm in and will listen. If you divert in anyway or try to strike back with questions to pull the focus off you, I will indeed not give it any time as stated already. I suggest you learn how bteer to help people. Critiques indeed do that but yours did not.
              Wow, so you're the highest paid trainer in the country? Shows how little you actually know about this business.

              I'll be more than happy to show you up and post actual websites of people I associate with or use as my mentors. It shows their pricing for local and out of state training.

              I myself charge $2,500 for half day sessions to train staff. I allow for 30 minute drive time each way plus an actual four hours of training on-site. If the business wants additional follow up via telephone or on skype I charge additional fees.

              I collect all monies upfront and give them a questionnaire to complete before I visit their office for training. I find that 8 hours of training in one day is generally too much for staff to comprehend.

              I happen to know people who charge in excess of $15,000 per day plus all expenses, so I'm not bragging about my lousy $2,500.00
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              • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
                Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

                Wow, so you're the highest paid trainer in the country? Shows how little you actually know about this business.

                I'll be more than happy to show you up and post actual websites of people I associate with or use as my mentors. It shows their pricing for local and out of state training.

                I myself charge $2,500 for half day sessions to train staff. I allow for 30 minute drive time each way plus an actual four hours of training on-site. If the business wants additional follow up via telephone or on skype I charge additional fees.

                I collect all monies upfront and give them a questionnaire to complete before I visit their office for training. I find that 8 hours of training in one day is generally too much for staff to comprehend.

                I happen to know people who charge in excess of $15,000 per day plus all expenses, so I'm not bragging about my lousy $2,500.00
                You are miss quoting me. I never said I was the highest paid in the country. I am among the highest paid per day in my filed however. The amount is relative to your field of training.

                From one trainer to the next I will accept challenges that involve what we do. We train, so any challenge that concerns helping others as trainers and turning their sales around I am up for. I survey all of my training classes. So if you want to challenge me in say increasing a salesperson sales consistently over the next year and the winner buys dinner. I am up for those kind of challenges because everyone wins. This type of banter is not productive to anyone.
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                • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
                  What field do you teach?

                  Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

                  You are miss quoting me. I never said I was the highest paid in the country. I am among the highest paid per day in my filed however. The amount is relative to your field of training.

                  From one trainer to the next I will accept challenges that involve what we do. We train, so any challenge that concerns helping others as trainers and turning their sales around I am up for. I survey all of my training classes. So if you want to challenge me in say increasing a salesperson sales consistently over the next year and the winner buys dinner. I am up for those kind of challenges because everyone wins. This type of banter is not productive to anyone.
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                  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
                    Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

                    What field do you teach?
                    Why so you can go out of your way to dig up some peoples claimed earnings in his field to prove that Mike making 4k per day isnt any big deal?

                    Lol.

                    Dude you are on a mission....we have all been there, it will pass when you get tired.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
                    Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

                    What field do you teach?

                    Car sales over the last three years. Tho I have helped and trained sales reps in other areas. Car sales being my main focus and I teach the pyschology and sociology of selling. If you ever bought a car you know why this is a much neede area of training.

                    Car sales, psychology of selling and understanding the customer has been left out. Actually only one other trainer that I know of teaches what I do in this field.

                    The two biggest trainers at present are Grant cardone and Joe verde. In my last two seminars this year some of my attendees just got back from a Grant Cardone seminar or another big hitter and still paid to come to mine within the same time frame. It is the biggest accomplishment in the world, No but in my field car lots dont pay for training then turn around and pay for another in the same quarter. It is almost unheard of.

                    The reason why is not because I am the best ever. I am not. I have been given a gift from God in understanding selling threw psychology and I am graced to be able to share it with others.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
                      I can verify you are not charging enough, especially for a large dealership.

                      I don't know what packages you offer but both you and I train people. We know that one day with no follow up don't cut it.

                      There are trainers who teach upselling, the sales process, etc.... to companies that charge tens of thousands. Obviously they do more than just one day training events. They offer online video training, weekly coaching via speaker phone for private sessions etc... I happen to know many sales triainers (not car related though) and they are making a small fortune.

                      Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

                      Car sales over the last three years. Tho I have helped and trained sales reps in other areas. Car sales being my main focus and I teach the pyschology and sociology of selling. If you ever bought a car you know why this is a much neede area of training.

                      Car sales, psychology of selling and understanding the customer has been left out. Actually only one other trainer that I know of teaches what I do in this field.

                      The two biggest trainers at present are Grant cardone and Joe verde. In my last two seminars this year some of my attendees just got back from a Grant Cardone seminar or another big hitter and still paid to come to mine within the same time frame. It is the biggest accomplishment in the world, No but in my field car lots dont pay for training then turn around and pay for another in the same quarter. It is almost unheard of.

                      The reason why is not because I am the best ever. I am not. I have been given a gift from God in understanding selling threw psychology and I am graced to be able to share it with others.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

        It sounds like you don't have a good enough grasp on local seo to contemplate doing this. There are many marketers out there who are better than you at doing this.

        This requires a lot of upfront money and time. Do you have both?

        If not, time to reevaluate. Good luck and get back to us.
        Not that this post is worth my time, but since Im here...

        You are spouting theory. Get some experience.

        Im starting mine without alot of investment and I GUARANTEE it will be successful and I know virtually nothing about SEO.

        Any money needs that arise along the way i will find a way to create the money... its what all people do who want to pursue a dream.

        I have started a 6 figure enterprise with my telemarketing stuff... I am probably the number one teacher online of offline telemarketing, and you know what it started with?

        ZERO seo knowledge, $4.95, and an "Image" in my head.

        I spent ZERO money, and only MADE IT.

        Get outta town man... you are explaining the perspective of how people dont succeed, probably because you dont KNOW the perspective of the kind who do.

        There are many marketers who are better than me too... but they dont have a six figure enterprise that was created from nothing but THOUGHT SUBSTANCE.

        You obviously dont comprehend these things, just like in the Bible it says a carnal mind cannot understand a spiritual one.

        Nuff said.

        Here is my take on the OP- Its a solid plan- text book- but I dont know about the niche.You have chosen a hard one, not just from an SEO perspective but from a telemarketing "logistical one".

        Restaurants are the hardest to call because its always more likely that you will only be able to get a UQ person on the phone, for that reason I would focus strictly on places with ten employees or less.

        so you get independently owned ones...

        The big thing is that employees in that industry are always rushing, its hard to get a good phone pitch. that being said, companies do it and they make sales every day, I have myself when I had a bioss making me call a restaurant list...it works, there are just easier markets.

        As far as the plan, it looks good to me.

        In my own opinion, I would have chosen a different niche thats all, but people do what you are doing every day....

        Solid plan though.

        Alot of SEO takes care of itself as you grow in content and listings BTW interlinking different pages... just work your plan, people dont expect your listing to be the end all be all, they use this and that and yellow pages, and the local newspaper, all you are is another valid avenue to get some exposure...they can understand and appreciate that, and they want to have several decent avenues for traffic to come in, no one has to be the end all be all.

        Thats why I say this guy above is full of theory...he understands how SEO people think, but he doesnt understand how dealing with business people or how the rules of offline marketing work.

        Good plan, reminds me of something I should have thought of myself
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        • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
          John, I have more experience than you are old. I've read your post here for quite some time and I'm curious as to why you are not successful?

          Your post are ridiculous. You claim to know it all about the Bower method and telemarketing yet you don't do this yourself?

          In your later post you agree that this OP chose a hard niche and it will take time and effort... exactly what I stated.

          Now I'll tell you the same thing you told him, "
          just work your plan..."

          Come back here when your great Bower method and telemarketing skills put some serious money in your pocket.

          Show this kid how it's done, ok!

          (If you have any experience at all, tell this kid the truth that his method will be ten times harder than he can imagine.) At least you stated this is a dream, more like a nightmare.

          #1 teacher online? Dude, get a life.

          Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

          Not that this post is worth my time, but since Im here...

          You are spouting theory. Get some experience.

          Im starting mine without alot of investment and I GUARANTEE it will be successful and I know virtually nothing about SEO.

          Any money needs that arise along the way i will find a way to create the money... its what all people do who want to pursue a dream.

          I have started a 6 figure enterprise with my telemarketing stuff... I am probably the number one teacher online of offline telemarketing, and you know what it started with?

          ZERO seo knowledge, $4.95, and an "Image" in my head.

          I spent ZERO money, and only MADE IT.

          Get outta town man... you are explaining the perspective of how people dont succeed, probably because you dont KNOW the perspective of the kind who do.

          There are many marketers who are better than me too... but they dont have a six figure enterprise that was created from nothing but THOUGHT SUBSTANCE.

          You obviously dont comprehend these things, just like in the Bible it says a carnal mind cannot understand a spiritual one.

          Nuff said.

          Here is my take on the OP- Its a solid plan- text book- but I dont know about the niche.You have chosen a hard one, not just from an SEO perspective but from a telemarketing "logistical one".

          Restaurants are the hardest to call because its always more likely that you will only be able to get a UQ person on the phone, for that reason I would focus strictly on places with ten employees or less.

          so you get independently owned ones...

          The big thing is that employees in that industry are always rushing, its hard to get a good phone pitch. that being said, companies do it and they make sales every day, I have myself when I had a bioss making me call a restaurant list...it works, there are just easier markets.

          As far as the plan, it looks good to me.

          In my own opinion, I would have chosen a different niche thats all, but people do what you are doing every day....

          Solid plan though.

          Alot of SEO takes care of itself as you grow in content and listings BTW interlinking different pages... just work your plan, people dont expect your listing to be the end all be all, they use this and that and yellow pages, and the local newspaper, all you are is another valid avenue to get some exposure...they can understand and appreciate that, and they want to have several decent avenues for traffic to come in, no one has to be the end all be all.

          Thats why I say this guy above is full of theory...he understands how SEO people think, but he doesnt understand how dealing with business people or how the rules of offline marketing work.

          Good plan, reminds me of something I should have thought of myself
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

            John, I have more experience than you are old. I've read your post here for quite some time and I'm curious as to why you are not successful?

            Your post are ridiculous. You claim to know it all about the Bower method and telemarketing yet you don't do this yourself?

            In your later post you agree that this OP chose a hard niche and it will take time and effort... exactly what I stated.

            Now I'll tell you the same thing you told him, "
            just work your plan..."

            Come back here when your great Bower method and telemarketing skills put some serious money in your pocket.

            Show this kid how it's done, ok!

            (If you have any experience at all, tell this kid the truth that his method will be ten times harder than he can imagine.) At least you stated this is a dream, more like a nightmare.

            #1 teacher online? Dude, get a life.
            Frankly yes I do do this myself.

            Secondly, yes I am successful...

            And thirdly, if you can tell me there is another offline telemarketing teacher who has sold thousands of websites and is selling thousands of teaching reports on his own real life experience... Lemme know.

            So far there are only a couple of people teaching it, thats juist an objective fact, and I am the main one, and the others are following the path I carved for that highly specialized niche... before that the word was taboo.

            Im just telling you the facts.

            The truth is that I AM the number one teacher of "offline telemarketing" online... if you can show me someone else who even SPECIALIZES in it at all, let me know.

            Your problem is that it pisses you off when people are confident enough to tell the TRUTH... you think people should hide behind false humility in order to not makes waves or hurt anyones feelins.... It shows your world view.

            Mostly you are pissed because nobody says it about "you".... thats the DEEEP truth here thats painfully obvious.

            Personally I want to inspire people....I want some to look at what Im saying and say "I want to say that someday"... I want someone like Ken Micheals to follow my example and become a GREAT warrior telemarketing teacher...

            Yes, these posts will go down in Warriopr history (and I said that from the momnent I decided to start talking about this subject two years ago) , and yes they will say "John Durham started the telemarketing revolution at WF" (I said that too), and Im really really sorry that it offends you that Im proud of that.I worked very hard for it.

            I have made a million dollars several times and am doing my own bower model at the moment and have actually HAD all the experience you read in my stories, the characters in them are REAL, trackable, and so are the stories and businesses in them.

            Sorry you dont like that.

            On another note, Im seeing a pattern with your posts.... and as a warrior since 98-99...unless you are just a senior with a fake extra username that is used in a cowardly manner... You are intentionally following my posts and bashing them.

            If you want people to say you are a great warrior teacher, then quit hating and get to teaching.

            If you dont think that title is an honor, then you dont understand what it means now and what it has meant for fifteen years, and what it will mean twenty years from now to be a great Warrior at the WF.

            This place itself will go down in IM history and all the players in it. Being a marketing Warrior is an honor, and striving to be a top one is a worth while thing to achieve... I have achieved it and now Im onto other things...

            Again, sorry that offends.
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            • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
              John, I purchased your Bower 2.0 WSO and I happen to be a member of your forum. IMHO you seem to have had many personal issues over the last year or so and are not really practicing what you preach. I may be wrong but that is not what I read in your post and over at your forum.

              Telemarketing works, period. I used to do it myself for hours on end. Is it the best way to market, hell no! Is it the cheapest and most effective if you are low on funds, probably yes.

              I'm a senior citizen but I do not follow your post and try to debate you. I think you unfairly posted immediately that the OP was doing something so cynical and devious that he should be castrated. I can tell you of many, many WSO's that have ripped me off big time and they are considered elite members here, a freaking joke.

              The OP was offering something for free, but I am assuming he wanted us to opt-in to his list. Guess what? I have the right to either opt-in or not, that's my decision.

              What he should have done was post a link for all to see and download with no opting in. He decided otherwise, but that's his business.

              I do know of several teachers/trainers who teach how to sell via telephone who are very successful. If you'd like I'll post their websites also. Do they teach the Bower method, no.

              If you want to claim that title, then fine. I'll give it to you.

              IN regards to the Bower method my personal opinion is that it may work given the right circumstances. Since most hold you up as the expert I'd like to see you NET $25,000 month to show us it can be done. That's far less than Bower was making at $5 Million per year.

              I sincerely hope you can do this, it would motivate a lot of members.

              If you think I am not telling the truth or sugarcoating my statements then you must not be reading my post. I tell it like it is.

              In regards to you making millions I'm sure you have. I've made many myself. Unfortunately I like to spend millions also.

              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              Frankly yes I do do this myself.

              Secondly, yes I am successful...

              And thirdly, if you can tell me there is another offline telemarketing teacher who has sold thousands of websites and is selling thousands of teaching reports on his own real life experience... Lemme know.

              So far there are only a couple of people teaching it, thats juist an objective fact, and I am the main one, and the others are following the path I carved for that highly specialized niche... before that the word was taboo.

              Im just telling you the facts.

              The truth is that I AM the number one teacher of "offline telemarketing" online... if you can show me someone else who even SPECIALIZES in it at all, let me know.

              Your problem is that it pisses you off when people are confident enough to tell the TRUTH... you think people should hide behind false humility in order to not makes waves or hurt anyones feelins.... It shows your world view.

              Mostly you are pissed because nobody says it about "you".... thats the DEEEP truth here thats painfully obvious.

              Personally I want to inspire people....I want some to look at what Im saying and say "I want to say that someday"... I want someone like Ken Micheals to follow my example and become a GREAT warrior telemarketing teacher...

              Yes, these posts will go down in Warriopr history (and I said that from the momnent I decided to start talking about this subject two years ago) , and yes they will say "John Durham started the telemarketing revolution at WF" (I said that too), and Im really really sorry that it offends you that Im proud of that.I worked very hard for it.

              I have made a million dollars several times and am doing my own bower model at the moment and have actually HAD all the experience you read in my stories, the characters in them are REAL, trackable, and so are the stories and businesses in them.

              Sorry you dont like that.

              On another note, Im seeing a pattern with your posts.... and as a warrior since 98-99...unless you are just a senior with a fake extra username that is used in a cowardly manner... You are intentionally following my posts and bashing them.

              If you want people to say you are a great warrior teacher, then quit hating and get to teaching.

              If you dont think that title is an honor, then you dont understand what it means now and what it has meant for fifteen years, and what it will mean twenty years from now to be a great Warrior at the WF.

              This place itself will go down in IM history and all the players in it. Being a marketing Warrior is an honor, and striving to be a top one is a worth while thing to achieve... I have achieved it and now Im onto other things...

              Again, sorry that offends.
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  • Profile picture of the author EaglePiServ
    I think the restaurant space will be tough competition. There was recently a WSO on this very subject and how you could approach any niche with the same methodology and create a network of sites. I'll have to search for the WSO......
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  • Profile picture of the author avandrunen
    Offline Doctor - Thanks for helping me to remember that there will always be people out there who prefer to crush ideas and dreams than take the time to help one succeed. As opposed to useless ramblings, offer some useful advice or guidance.

    Ownergolan - thanks for the backup mate, I won't let someone like that deter me.

    Michael Bucker - Thanks for the thoughts and advice, I will most certainly ignore the comments of those that would rather hurt than help. I am not trying...I am doing...solidify my plan and work it. I also plan to outsource what I can when I can.

    John Durham - Thanks so much for your advice, should remind you of something you thought of Thanks for the SEO advice...that makes me a little less concerned. Once I have the site up SEO will get more focus and the addition of listings will assist...awesome. Solid and text book is the plan to start...pretty good text book to

    Would love to know what the WSO was eagle, trying to avoid overloading on WSO's but if it enhances what I am working on I am game.

    To all of you that have suggested against the restaurant niche...thank you...that is exactly the sort of criticism/advice I was looking for. If easier markets are to be had...that is where I would prefer to start...same plan of attack though.

    If I have missed any thanks, sorry...I truly appreciate all posts meant to support, encourage and guide.

    Have an awesome day and God Bless
    Adrian
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    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      "I would love some critiques, opinions, suggestions and guidance."

      If you don't want advice then don't ask for it.

      I'm giving you stark reality. I hope you do make it big. But it's not going to be as easy as you nor anyone else here suggest. I've been in marketing longer than all these guys combined, do you really think they can sway my opinion?

      Can you make this work, of course you can. Be prepared, get more information, get real about your break even point, and get ready for some work. I do believe that if you can get this 747 off the ground you can make some serious money. I hope it works out for you. Please keep us updated.

      P.S. Why is it when people ask for advice they get offended when someone tells them the truth? If all you wanted was praise then you should have stated in your original post.


      Originally Posted by avandrunen View Post

      Offline Doctor - Thanks for helping me to remember that there will always be people out there who prefer to crush ideas and dreams than take the time to help one succeed. As opposed to useless ramblings, offer some useful advice or guidance.

      If I have missed any thanks, sorry...I truly appreciate all posts meant to support, encourage and guide.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaliGuy
    I would never, ever ever ever create a program for restaurants! Owners are the biggest cheapskates in the world. Even if u offer them the world for $1, they cannot afford it.

    Cheap *******s, no thanks. My advice is to EXIT NOW!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    Adrian, piece of advice. As you read these posts note the day joined and number of posts and thank yous given to those who posts neagtive comments. Also may want to see if in those few post given if they have contributed any real content on the forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author EdwardDennis
    #grabspopcorn.

    This is gonna be an interesting thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
      Originally Posted by EdwardDennis View Post

      #grabspopcorn.

      This is gonna be an interesting thread.

      Lol nice, i hope you are not dissapointed if i dont give the doctor any more of my time. i find that those who prod people like he is john and attempting to do with me are those who do so out of lack it is lack thinking as any real success person knows.

      I must spend my time otherwise these lack thinkers will suck your life from you. the good doctor may try to defend himslef but the simple truth is if he did not think in lack, trying to call someone like john out or even myself (though john has a longer tack reacord than i) its apparent the lack in his words and efforts as such. i will let him banter if he wishes but i must move on. john might be bored enough to continue .
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  • Profile picture of the author EaglePiServ
    Here it is:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...g-results.html

    I own this WSO - it's very well done and all it takes is a little action!
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  • Profile picture of the author moose88
    personally i think it depends allot upon the niche, restaurents is going to be mad hard! but definetely rewarding because i know allot of restaurents would pay for this service, maybe you want to go a niche within a niche

    so

    best chinese food in city .com
    best halal food in city.com

    etc etc
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Offline doctor, sorry I went through a divorce this year among some other things and have had some personal problems... things that are WAAAY more traumatic than divorce...thanks for reminding me and hitting under the belt on a personal level.

    I understand, you thought I was bullying....you jumped in, and you wanted to defend the percieved victim...noble reasoning, I dont feel that very much of what tyou are saying is valid, and you are even taking me out of context, ie; "Offline" telemarketing teacher is what I said, and no, no one else was doing it.

    In any event, you got it out...Are you over it yet?

    Hopefully so... yes I do have an offline business to run and a forum among other things so...

    I will continue to do what I do here for the next ten years, take this as far as you want... I have had enough for one day... Maybe if you try hard you can bust out a new market and carve a path and you can say all the things about it that I say...but please quit hating.

    I dont know how many usernmames you have or who you are outside of this one....obviously someone who has been around the WF ALOT... ( not indicated by your stats).... but Im over it.

    Have fun.
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    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      I didn't post in this thread to attack you John. I simply didn't like to see you bully this kid.

      I too have gone through a divorce and it sucks, bigtime. When you say no one else is teaching "offline telemarketing" I'm not sure what you mean? There are plenty of coaches who teach people how to call upon business owners to make sales.

      Do they call it "offline," no. There was nothing for me to "get over" as you stated. I was simply defending the original poster.

      In regards to me carving a niche, I'm semi-retired now and did what I needed to do in business to live a decent retirement and spend a lot of time with my children and grandchildren.

      I'm very sorry if I brought up issues that saddened you. I didn't mean for that to happen.

      Someone just notified me that you and Michael Bucker are business partners. Now I see what's happening.

      If Michael wants to be embarrassed by me posting fees that are charged by other trainers then all he has to do is ask. I can assure you 4k a day for professional training ain't jack.

      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Offline doctor, sorry I went through a divorce this year among some other things and have had some personal problems... things that are WAAAY more traumatic than divorce...thanks for reminding me and hitting under the belt on a personal level.

      I understand, you thought I was bullying....you jumped in, and you wanted to defend the percieved victim...noble reasoning, I dont feel that very much of what tyou are saying is valid, and you are even taking me out of context, ie; "Offline" telemarketing teacher is what I said, and no, no one else was doing it.

      In any event, you got it out...Are you over it yet?

      Hopefully so... yes I do have an offline business to run and a forum among other things so...

      I will continue to do what I do here for the next ten years, take this as far as you want... I have had enough for one day... Maybe if you try hard you can bust out a new market and carve a path and you can say all the things about it that I say...but please quit hating.

      I dont know how many usernmames you have or who you are outside of this one....obviously someone who has been around the WF ALOT... ( not indicated by your stats).... but Im over it.

      Have fun.
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      • Profile picture of the author avandrunen
        Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

        I didn't post in this thread to attack you John. I simply didn't like to see you bully this kid.
        I am not entirely sure what you are referring to here...when was John "bullying" me?

        If you really want to make your posts here useful...and you believe I am heading down the wrong path...suggest an alternate route.

        Everyone else...thanks again for your thoughts here...I would love to hear some more ideas and thoughts as to my plan...I have been successfully deterred from the restaurant path and would love some thoughts as to better starter niches for the directory model.

        Thanks all
        Adrian
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        • Profile picture of the author ohhugo
          Offline Doctor, John and Micheal...

          could we get back to the current topic please? You guys hijacked two threads for your dispute....
          taking to PMs or start a new thread called: "My shlong is bigger than yours"

          I, for one came here to read about this guy's plans since, I am too, working on the same thing (but with on a hair salons niche instead)

          Flaming and bickering is not what I came here for.
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          • IMO

            1. Small Business must spend money to make money
            2. The Small Business market is huge
            3. They buy Products & Services everyday, and many are inferior to your offerings.

            So, you can sell anything, anyway you want.

            I would say to sell your way, the way you like to buy, and what your passionate
            about, so you can see the rewards over the work to be done.

            My Critique : Do You Believe in doing it this way, selling that, and receive meaning and purpose from it?
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          • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
            Originally Posted by ohhugo View Post

            Offline Doctor, John and Micheal...

            could we get back to the current topic please? You guys hijacked two threads for your dispute....
            taking to PMs or start a new thread called: "My shlong is bigger than yours"

            I, for one came here to read about this guy's plans since, I am too, working on the same thing (but with on a hair salons niche instead)

            Flaming and bickering is not what I came here for.
            Well said my friend, and I am also going to be working on a Bower formula business with John directly. We have done businesses in the past together, and are now going to do another one. We both have more than one business we work on at any given time and come together to do some as a team now and then. Bower is going to be one of those.
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          • Profile picture of the author mak25
            Originally Posted by ohhugo View Post

            ...or start a new thread called: "My shlong is bigger than yours"
            This should make for fun reading!

            Seriously though, the gentlemen in question really ARE true giants
            and great contributors to this forum.

            Everybody gets a little crazy from time to time. It's just human nature.

            Carry on........
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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by mak25 View Post

              This should make for fun reading!

              Seriously though, the gentlemen in question really ARE true giants
              and great contributors to this forum.

              Everybody gets a little crazy from time to time. It's just human nature.

              Carry on........
              The Mak Daddy has spoken. I hear stormy monday in the back ground.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    Now I know for a fact your trying to draw me into an argument about my area of training. When I know what others charge verses what I do etc. I do six months to year contracts. But now that your true colors are clear I am done with this back and forth. Your motive are clear. I will now be moving on to actually helping others. I can provide proof that I'm not charging enough also. I can provide proof that any one train inst charging enough or is getting paid enough. You did not accpet my challenge in actual results over the next year. So now I must move on from you and go to others. I hope you end up proving more productive posts on the forum. As a trainer we would welcome you input that helps others.
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    • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
      In-House Seminars | Sales Training - New School Selling

      Fees:
      $9,500 per day or $7,000 per 1/2 day, plus expenses.

      It appears there are some thin-skinned people here. I trained under Steve Clark for quite some time. You can clearly see that Steve charges well over $10,000 per day with all expenses included to train your staff, employees, etc...

      Steve is very good. I've paid him well for my training and it was worth the investment. I was simply stating that 4k a day is nothing compared to many in the industry that I know. 4k is actually the lowest I've seen.

      I'm not going to beat a dead horse when I know for fact I'm a 100% correct. I also know that trainers like Bill Walsh and Jay Abraham command enormous fees for one day, well over 50k.


      Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

      Now I know for a fact your trying to draw me into an argument about my area of training. When I know what others charge verses what I do etc. I do six months to year contracts. But now that your true colors are clear I am done with this back and forth. Your motive are clear. I will now be moving on to actually helping others. I can provide proof that I'm not charging enough also. I can provide proof that any one train inst charging enough or is getting paid enough. You did not accpet my challenge in actual results over the next year. So now I must move on from you and go to others. I hope you end up proving more productive posts on the forum. As a trainer we would welcome you input that helps others.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
        Originally Posted by Offline Doctor View Post

        In-House Seminars | Sales Training - New School Selling

        Fees: $9,500 per day or $7,000 per 1/2 day, plus expenses.

        It appears there are some thin-skinned people here. I trained under Steve Clark for quite some time. You can clearly see that Steve charges well over $10,000 per day with all expenses included to train your staff, employees, etc...

        Steve is very good. I've paid him well for my training and it was worth the investment. I was simply stating that 4k a day is nothing compared to many in the industry that I know. 4k is actually the lowest I've seen.

        I'm not going to beat a dead horse when I know for fact I'm a 100% correct. I also know that trainers like Bill Walsh and Jay Abraham command enormous fees for one day, well over 50k.
        They do not train in my field as was my point nor would anyone in the car biz pay those numbers for a day. In my field I am in the top percentages, and if you total all trainers in all areas of training I and you are still in the top percentages. Yes I have gotten $9,000 for a day of training but it was in a seminar setting in tulsa not in house. I have made less and I have made more.

        That is all the energy you will get here. Its not a matter of thin or thick skin. We who have accomplished what you and I have do indeed have thick skin. It is a matter of what I or anyone person wants to give their time to. This is of no benefit to this thread nor what this warrior is wanting to accomplish.

        We now know you have a chest to stick out and you know some things about training. Welcome to the warrior forum. Now lets go help some people. No more energy will be spent here. If you need the last word that is fine. I do hope the knowledge you claim to have starts being used to educate us instead of simply challenging.
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        • Profile picture of the author Offline Doctor
          I will say it's amazing what a few hours of training can do for a salesforce. I'd be interested in what type of results your clients typically see from your training.

          I know that many of my clients recoup my fees sometimes within 24 hours, not kidding. Many of the employees I've trained told me afterward ( I do employee follow ups) that they were relieved to get training and were grateful to their employer for providing the training.

          I'm sure car salesmen are a tough crowd and they are stubborn. Do they still follow that 4 quadrant sales method?

          I'm confident that you and I can agree that a "well trained" sales force is far more powerful than any website, newspaper ad, PPC, SEO, or SMS campaign.

          I offer all my clients a No Questions asked 100% refund if they don't see a tenfold increase in my fees in the next 90 days. So for a measly $2,500 they will see $25,000 in increased revenue or I'll return all their money.

          95% of the time the employer will call me back within a week and say "oh my god, I can't believe how happy the staff is and the increased sales we're making."

          Nothing can replace a well trained sales force. There is big, big money teaching people how to sell. As you know, some of the processes only need to be slightly tweaked to see a substantial rise in revenue.

          I worked with a furniture store last year and trained about 15 salespeople in 3 hours. I simply taught them how to add an upsell to their sale. If that didn't work then we went for a cross sell, and then a downsell. Sales increased 12% immediately.

          It didn't cost the store any additional monies or fees except my $2,500. This store does 5M in yearly sales, do the math.

          Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

          They do not train in my field as was my point nor would anyone in the car biz pay those numbers for a day. In my field I am in the top percentages, and if you total all trainers in all areas of training I and you are still in the top percentages. Yes I have gotten $9,000 for a day of training but it was in a seminar setting in tulsa not in house. I have made less and I have made more.

          That is all the energy you will get here. Its not a matter of thin or thick skin. We who have accomplished what you and I have do indeed have thick skin. It is a matter of what I or anyone person wants to give their time to. This is of no benefit to this thread nor what this warrior is wanting to accomplish.

          We now know you have a chest to stick out and you know some things about training. Welcome to the warrior forum. Now lets go help some people. No more energy will be spent here. If you need the last word that is fine. I do hope the knowledge you claim to have starts being used to educate us instead of simply challenging.
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  • Profile picture of the author fantasticjackson
    Nice long tails. You will rank easily. I remember thinking of going after such keywords to avoid Places listings shoving me down the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    I congradulate you on the refund with 100 percent satisfation. I give a full guarantee as well tho I know a lot of trainers that don't. I personally would be weary of trainer who don't guarantee, yet there are many.

    I simply cannot accept pay unless the client is fully satisified

    Car sales is a tough crowd, however the training I provide only one other does whom is a long time associate of mine, and there are many many car sales trainers. Being unique - get the results other don't from vetern sales staff. On my sight one can find several survey results in the form of testmonies and video testimonies after my classes.

    As far as results go all my number are indeed there. I will give a small example. My last seminar last month was in memphis checking on the staff a week later a salesman came running upto me telling me he closed three deals within the last 6 days using three techniques I taught in class. One of many stories off that seminar. Doubled sales for some etc etc

    What inspires me the most is almost every where I go the managment tells me that the veterans won't participate or be helped. They refuse to grow and will give me the hardest time. In every case to date I have the oposite results. The vets are my biggest fans. They are not afraid to learn they just don't want to hear what they have heard for 20 or 30 years of selling. I understand their plite as when I sold I got tired of trainers giving me the same info wrapped up in a different bow.

    I say when I sold. That is something I do is I sell after I am done training. Most trainer don't sell but I want them to see my techniques in action on their customers. I can see why many trainers train then either hang with manamgment or head home. If they don't close the deal they are afriad of how it looks on their credibility.

    However that is the very reason a lot of bets don't like a lot of trainers. They think ok guru when did you actually sell your last customer? How do you really know what I'm dealing with? I don't get that because I make sure I'm always selling so I always know what sales people are dealing with in "todays" market.

    Forgive typos on phone at present.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Offline Doctor, you are correct, I was out of line. If enough the peers who's opinions I cliam to respect think so then it is.

    On another note, as a fellow Grandfather, if you knew more of my details you would understand that the personal issues I refer to are not associated as much with divorce as they are with Grandchildren, and thats why they are even more traumatic... and you have my respect sir, because I hope to retire with my grandchildren all around me. Yeah, you are living my dream.

    Ohhugo,

    Sorry for Hijacking.
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