How Do I Provide Services? I Can SELL!

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I'm at a small (actually HUGE) sticking point. I am in the process of starting an offline (local) SEO business. I know there are a lot of others doing it and there's a ton of competition but there's one small difference - I can pick up the phone and POUND IT 10 hours per day! I've been doing it for years!

My problem is not getting clients. I'll close at least a client per day. I just have no idea how to provide the services.

Any suggestions?


BTW, I'm not bragging. I've been cold calling since I was 15 years old. I've been a stockbroker for 9 years and my company went out of business 6 months ago. I'm used to calling like crazy and pitching hard. I just need a way to provide the services.

Thanks everyone!
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  • Profile picture of the author gixmo
    I have the opposite problem

    You'll find people offering seo services here, just outsource, you'll be able to make good profit
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  • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
    Gixmo,

    I was thinking of that. The problem is that I'm a little worried that I'll close deals and not be able to fill the orders.

    I have ZERO experience in SEO. I don't know what I would need to outsource to get them ranked in the search engines.

    I was thinking of going for a white label service but I don't really know of any of them either.

    I just want to get on the phone and pitch people!
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

    I'm at a small (actually HUGE) sticking point. I am in the process of starting an offline (local) SEO business. I know there are a lot of others doing it and there's a ton of competition but there's one small difference - I can pick up the phone and POUND IT 10 hours per day! I've been doing it for years!

    My problem is not getting clients. I'll close at least a client per day. I just have no idea how to provide the services.

    Any suggestions?


    BTW, I'm not bragging. I've been cold calling since I was 15 years old. I've been a stockbroker for 9 years and my company went out of business 6 months ago. I'm used to calling like crazy and pitching hard. I just need a way to provide the services.

    Thanks everyone!

    well if you want a job with good leads and high commissions, i can put you to work.

    if you want build your own bizz, there are plenty of geeks in here that need a salesman partner...

    i would read a ton of posts until you get a feel for some people
    and then , approach the ones that feel like a good fit and see if you can strike a deal.

    or forget all that nonsense, and come work for me

    of course, no one is going to believe your a sales stud just because you say you are, without some proof.

    So you might want to consider how to over come that obstacle as well
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post


      of course, no one is going to believe your a sales stud just because you say you are, without some proof.

      So you might want to consider how to over come that obstacle as well
      I've already overcome that obstacle. Give me a phone and listen for an hour. You'll have your proof.

      I'm not sure I'll be interested in working for someone else. But if someone is willing to offer SEO services for a fee and they have a track record of getting results and being reliable, I'll be willing to listen.


      And BTW for everyone PMing me...I can't reply. PM me with your Skype or email and we'll talk.
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  • Profile picture of the author gixmo
    Well white labels tend to be more expensive, but you should read up on SEO, I mean you can't sell something you know nothing about. I give my customers by-weekly reports and even sit down with them to talk about their needs.

    There is a white label SEO company based in Vermont or N. Hampshire but I can't recall the name. But I just remember their site was a turn off for me. Their prices if I recall correctly were pretty average maybe 60% of what an offline SEO whould ask for.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by gixmo View Post

      Well white labels tend to be more expensive, but you should read up on SEO, I mean you can't sell something you know nothing about. I give my customers by-weekly reports and even sit down with them to talk about their needs.
      Not bragging, but I've been selling stock for 9 years and before my company shut down had just under 20 million under management. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Call and a Put. By year 8, I finally understood what P/E ratio was. Yes, I passed my 7, 63 and 24 but knew NOTHING about the market. I just pitched what my analyst put in front of me.


      I'm kind of looking for the same thing. I want someone to do all the work while I do all the selling.
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      • Profile picture of the author gixmo
        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        Not bragging, but I've been selling stock for 9 years and before my company shut down had just under 20 million under management. I couldn't tell you the difference between a Call and a Put. By year 8, I finally understood what P/E ratio was. Yes, I passed my 7, 63 and 24 but knew NOTHING about the market. I just pitched what my analyst put in front of me.


        I'm kind of looking for the same thing. I want someone to do all the work while I do all the selling.
        Well you'll be surprised at how cheap you can outsource for, the key is just finding stable SEO providers. I outsource most of my work, the only thing I do 100% myself is the reports since I think they're very important for client relations.
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  • Profile picture of the author massiveray
    Where do you live?

    I'm looking into expanding into America, so if you can sell like you say you can then I'd be willing to JV (if you're an American of course).

    Completely 50/50. I don't outsource, I have in house staff that handle my seo and web design.

    Pm me if interested.

    Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

    I'm at a small (actually HUGE) sticking point. I am in the process of starting an offline (local) SEO business. I know there are a lot of others doing it and there's a ton of competition but there's one small difference - I can pick up the phone and POUND IT 10 hours per day! I've been doing it for years!

    My problem is not getting clients. I'll close at least a client per day. I just have no idea how to provide the services.

    Any suggestions?


    BTW, I'm not bragging. I've been cold calling since I was 15 years old. I've been a stockbroker for 9 years and my company went out of business 6 months ago. I'm used to calling like crazy and pitching hard. I just need a way to provide the services.

    Thanks everyone!
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    If you're good, then why are you asking how to provide services when you can pay anyone on here to do it?

    If you want, I'll give you 33% commission... all you have to worry about is selling.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      If you're good, then why are you asking how to provide services when you can pay anyone on here to do it?

      If you want, I'll give you 33% commission... all you have to worry about is selling.
      I never said I was "that good". In fact I said just the opposite.

      I know how to SELL. I know nothing about SEO. The reason I see opportunity in the SEO industry is because all I see is people sending emails, videos, doing the work before they are paid, etc. They are AFRAID OF THE PHONE. They can't close.

      For someone who can sell, the opportunity is huge. For those who can't, they'll just keep buying WSOs about how to make millions of dollars sending emails.

      And 33% when I'm doing all of the real work is a joke. Businesses can't survive without sales. If you want to flip those numbers around I'll think about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        I never said I was "that good". In fact I said just the opposite.

        I know how to SELL. I know nothing about SEO. The reason I see opportunity in the SEO industry is because all I see is people sending emails, videos, doing the work before they are paid, etc. They are AFRAID OF THE PHONE. They can't close.

        For someone who can sell, the opportunity is huge. For those who can't, they'll just keep buying WSOs about how to make millions of dollars sending emails.

        And 33% when I'm doing all of the real work is a joke. Businesses can't survive without sales. If you want to flip those numbers around I'll think about it.
        Yeah, you think 3 hours of picking up the phone is real work? I'm not talking about SEO... SEO is cheap, results aren't. I pick up the phone, so don't try saying all that to me, I dial every day, successfully. The REAL work, is increasing a client's market share, increasing their sales to a ridiculous ROI.

        33% is more than what I would actually offer you. I would pay you $8/hr for a couple hours to see how you do, then give you 25% commission if you were decent, but that's just me. Of course, I'm just somebody that sells, and runs a successful business.
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        • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Yeah, you think 3 hours of picking up the phone is real work? I'm not talking about SEO... SEO is cheap, results aren't. I pick up the phone, so don't try saying all that to me, I dial every day, successfully. The REAL work, is increasing a client's market share, increasing their sales to a ridiculous ROI.

          33% is more than what I would actually offer you. I would pay you $8/hr for a couple hours to see how you do, then give you 25% commission if you were decent, but that's just me. Of course, I'm just somebody that sells, and runs a successful business.
          Without people to provide results to, results don't matter.

          If you sell and run a successful business you don't need me. There are plenty of people out there that are "offline marketers" with no clients. I have the desired skill. There are plenty of people out there who do SEO work and provide results for the client. There are very few people who can provide a steady flow of clients to your door.

          $8 an hour? haha.
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          • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
            Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

            Without people to provide results to, results don't matter.

            If you sell and run a successful business you don't need me. There are plenty of people out there that are "offline marketers" with no clients. I have the desired skill. There are plenty of people out there who do SEO work and provide results for the client. There are very few people who can provide a steady flow of clients to your door.

            $8 an hour? haha.
            No, absolutely I do not need you. The question is, do you REALLY want to work for someone that DOES need you? You'll get people to offer you 50-75%... but if the price point of their highest service is half of what my lowest service is, that percentage isn't going to help you much, is it?
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            • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
              Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

              No, absolutely I do not need you. The question is, do you REALLY want to work for someone that DOES need you? You'll get people to offer you 50-75%... but if the price point of their highest service is half of what my lowest service is, that percentage isn't going to help you much, is it?
              If you don't need me then why are you still responding?

              I made this post not looking for a % that someone would pay me. I made this post hoping that someone who provides SEO services would respond.

              See here's how it works - The SEO guy provides me with a fee for the services he offers. I then go out and sell at whatever price I want. I pay him his fee, I keep the difference. I make whatever I want, the SEO guy gets all the business he can handle.

              You are obviously not the type of person who would take that deal and that's fine with me. Like I said, there are MANY more people in here with a "customer" problem as opposed to a "services" problem.
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              • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

                If you don't need me then why are you still responding?

                I made this post not looking for a % that someone would pay me. I made this post hoping that someone who provides SEO services would respond.

                See here's how it works - The SEO guy provides me with a fee for the services he offers. I then go out and sell at whatever price I want. I pay him his fee, I keep the difference. I make whatever I want, the SEO guy gets all the business he can handle.

                You are obviously not the type of person who would take that deal and that's fine with me. Like I said, there are MANY more people in here with a "customer" problem as opposed to a "services" problem.
                I'm responding because you're responding to me. It would be rude for me to ignore you, wouldn't it?

                Sorry, I misunderstood that you were trying to sell SEO services. If you were looking for someone that provides SEO, perhaps try the warriors for hire section to get rates instead of trying to build a list of desperate people on this part of the forum.
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                • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
                  Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

                  I'm responding because you're responding to me. It would be rude for me to ignore you, wouldn't it?

                  Sorry, I misunderstood that you were trying to sell SEO services. If you were looking for someone that provides SEO, perhaps try the warriors for hire section to get rates instead of trying to build a list of desperate people on this part of the forum.
                  I'm not building a list of desperate people. Although it does seem that there are a lot more people here looking for SALES as opposed to looking for fulfillment.

                  I don't know SEO and wouldn't know where to start when hiring people. That's why I want someone (or a company) that does it all and is willing to take my FREE CUSTOMERS!
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                  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                    Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

                    I'm not building a list of desperate people. Although it does seem that there are a lot more people here looking for SALES as opposed to looking for fulfillment.

                    I don't know SEO and wouldn't know where to start when hiring people. That's why I want someone (or a company) that does it all and is willing to take my FREE CUSTOMERS!
                    My 2 cents

                    You don't know SEO, and you don't need to know it to sell it.

                    However, people need to know your selling it properly,
                    so what you do sell doesn't become a burden, or a refund.

                    I misunderstood your OP i thought you were a salesman looking to team
                    up with a tech partner ....

                    If i understand you now, you want broker SEO sales, to seo Companies

                    Good solid plan, fraught with a lot of pit falls and dangers
                    more on the SEO companies then on you. UNLESS you are processing
                    the actual money, and then advance paying for the work.

                    then your the one taking the risk....

                    I know some people, ill run this convo buy them, if any one of them is interested
                    ill PM you there info.

                    If your plans don't work out, keep in mind i am always looking for motivated
                    closers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tara
        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        They are AFRAID OF THE PHONE. They can't close.
        I think this statement is assumptive, just because someone ask for suggestions or help closing a deal does not mean that person can't close or has never closed before. I ran a day care business for 15yrs, and yes I had to close the deal many times not only with the initial phone contact but with my appearance, presentation, and environment... that's a business no matter how hard you punch the phone you're not going to close the deal via it.

        Some prospects can be closed by phone others not. I also ran my own online paid membership site for telecommuters and closed those deals with members and companies so just because I person post about needing help with a deal, "at that particular time" it doesn't mean they can't close! That statement bothers me even more because the warrior forum is a community where others gain knowledge and share expertise, so I do not want a Newbie to read this thread and feel embarrassed to ask for help about something, he or she may not feel quite sure about or just don't have enough confidence to move forward on. One thing is for damn sure if you are an amateur salesman the knowledge in this forum will make you an expert!

        And I hope that you succeed at what you are trying to accomplish here.
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  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Provide a result in advance, or guarantee x amount of keywords. This will sell itself.
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  • Profile picture of the author newbizideas312
    Give a bonus.. "If I can't do it, not only will I return your money I will give you "x" for free."

    .. irresistible offer.

    Remember if they don't want to do it then their competitor is next on the que, and you can only work with one type of business to be fair.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    OP: If you are not looking to JV with someone, then I would recommend putting together your own team. There are loads of people on this forum that can provide SEO services for you - some of which can be vouched for by other members. Just take a look at the other sub-forums.

    Since you'll be making the calls, you can go at your own pace; add more employees as needed. Anyone worth anything should be able to tell you what they can and can not handle as far as workload.

    If you have some capital, hire in-house...otherwise, start by finding someone that is credible by asking around the forum.

    By the way, a 66% broker fee seems like much...but I'd still pay it if I was desperate.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

      OP: If you are not looking to JV with someone, then I would recommend putting together your own team. There are loads of people on this forum that can provide SEO services for you - some of which can be vouched for by other members. Just take a look at the other sub-forums.

      Since you'll be making the calls, you can go at your own pace; add more employees as needed. Anyone worth anything should be able to tell you what they can and can not handle as far as workload.

      If you have some capital, hire in-house...otherwise, start by finding someone that is credible by asking around the forum.

      By the way, a 66% broker fee seems like much...but I'd still pay it if I was desperate.
      I get what you're saying but my problem is that I know NOTHING about SEO. Nothing! There's people selling backlinks, articles, etc. Do I need that? Do I need both? How many? Etc. Etc. Etc.

      I just want to close the deal and hand it off. I charge what I charge, the SEO guy charges me whatever he charges. That's it.

      I'll literally be handing people CLOSED DEALS. Customers they would have never gotten otherwise. And I'm not asking for a discount, I'm asking for a price. if it's fair, I'll do it. If it isn't, I won't. That's why I get a little offended when people start talking about $8/hr and 33%. IM GIVING YOU SALES!
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      • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        I get what you're saying but my problem is that I know NOTHING about SEO. Nothing! There's people selling backlinks, articles, etc. Do I need that? Do I need both? How many? Etc. Etc. Etc.

        I just want to close the deal and hand it off. I charge what I charge, the SEO guy charges me whatever he charges. That's it.

        I'll literally be handing people CLOSED DEALS. Customers they would have never gotten otherwise. And I'm not asking for a discount, I'm asking for a price. if it's fair, I'll do it. If it isn't, I won't. That's why I get a little offended when people start talking about $8/hr and 33%. IM GIVING YOU SALES!
        Regarding price/percentages - none of it matters. You find someone to do the work, get a quote and add your markup. He/She doesn't have to know what you're netting. It's none of their business.

        Regarding SEO - There is too much to explain here, and no need to repeat what can already be found on this forum. You're either going to have to learn about it yourself, or find someone that you can trust to handle it for you.

        I will say this...there is a lot to learn, it's always changing and there is no perfect answer. Keep things as 'natural-looking' as possible, and don't overdo it.
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      • Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        I get what you're saying but my problem is that I know NOTHING about SEO. Nothing! There's people selling backlinks, articles, etc. Do I need that? Do I need both? How many? Etc. Etc. Etc.

        I just want to close the deal and hand it off. I charge what I charge, the SEO guy charges me whatever he charges. That's it.

        I'll literally be handing people CLOSED DEALS. Customers they would have never gotten otherwise. And I'm not asking for a discount, I'm asking for a price. if it's fair, I'll do it. If it isn't, I won't. That's why I get a little offended when people start talking about $8/hr and 33%. IM GIVING YOU SALES!
        NewAge,

        First of all, you picked the wrong handle based on your resistance to people's suggestions here on this forum.

        If you really were "NewAge", you would have taken people's advice here, did some research based on their recommendations and ran with it ... not argue OR resist it!

        However, you just keep arguing "stating" that what they are saying is wrong ... or you don't agree with!

        However, do you know what I think your dilemma is? You haven't spent enough time here to KNOW the possibilities and/or resources available to you (with or without knowledge on how to do a specific task -- in your case SEO)!

        You haven't opened up your mind to the possibilities that have been presented here!

        My advice to you is to learn to respect the members here, first and foremost, then to spend some actual time on here and do some independent research on the criteria that you're looking to accomplish!

        Trust me, seek and yee shall find!

        I could give you some golden advice / resources, however, you have not earned my respect to do so (actually, I think that that's the consensus of the members here, which is why you didn't get the answers to your questions!

        Onwards & Upwards!

        JMB
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        • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
          Originally Posted by JMB Marketing Group View Post


          I could give you some golden advice / resources, however, you have not earned my respect to do so (actually, I think that that's the consensus of the members here, which is why you didn't get the answers to your questions!

          Onwards & Upwards!

          JMB
          I don't need too or want to earn your respect. To me it makes no difference. I am a salesman. Whether the product is SEO, cell phones, dishwashers, or whatever, it doesn't matter to me. Give me a product, price it right, give me room to mark it up, and I'll pitch it all day long.

          I didn't come in here because I love SEO (or even care about it at all). I didn't come here to learn about internet marketing or online business.

          I came here because there are a lot of people who can CAN PROVIDE THE SERVICE but very few who can PROVIDE THE CUSTOMERS.

          I can (and was willing to) do what most others can't and that's provide a massive amount of clients per month to anyone who was reliable and could provide results to the clients.

          None of this matters now anyway because my offer isn't valid anymore and I've said that at least once already. I am no longer interested in doing it because I am already set up with a company that pays more, is B2C (more contacts...less resistance), and is a major company (no fulfillment issues at all).

          You guys here are keeping this thread going, not me. If you want sales advice (which is obviously why you are continuing on) just ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maggie66
    I need some help starting my business because I hate cold calling. Maybe we can work together you can call and I can give you the leads and we can make money.
    The business I am is in the wireless industry so it would be selling services people use every day.
    I can not PM yet so if will send me your information I will forward you more information about the company I am with.

    Thanks Maggie
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  • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
    I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

    I sell things. SEO, mattresses, watches, computers, whatever.

    I can't provide the products/services.

    I come to a place where 98% of the people can provide the services but can't sell anything and I get responses like this.

    I really thought people would jump all over my offer of free business. Kind of strange.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

      I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

      I sell things. SEO, mattresses, watches, computers, whatever.

      I can't provide the products/services.

      I come to a place where 98% of the people can provide the services but can't sell anything and I get responses like this.

      I really thought people would jump all over my offer of free business. Kind of strange.
      are you talking to me? cuase i just offered to help you out by talking to some of my contacts to find what i think it is your looking for, and explained WHY people are not jumping up and down waving pick me, pick me
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      • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        are you talking to me? cuase i just offered to help you out by talking to some of my contacts to find what i think it is your looking for, and explained WHY people are not jumping up and down waving pick me, pick me
        No not at all. You were one of the few who actually offered some help.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

    I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

    I sell things. SEO, mattresses, watches, computers, whatever.

    I can't provide the products/services.

    I come to a place where 98% of the people can provide the services but can't sell anything and I get responses like this.

    I really thought people would jump all over my offer of free business. Kind of strange.
    -You're in the wrong sub-forum...this is what you do not understand.

    Most of the people here are running their own business. You do not want to JV. You are looking for SEO providers - so look in the other sub-forums, as has already been suggested to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

      -You're in the wrong sub-forum...this is what you do not understand.

      Most of the people here are running their own business. You do not want to JV. You are looking for SEO providers - so look in the other sub-forums, as has already been suggested to you.
      I don't think I am in the wrong sub-forum. What I see here is posts like "my first 2 sales" and "help closing this deal". If those people can provide the SERVICES and I can provide the CUSTOMERS, don't you think that what I provide them would be more valuable than any advice given by the other members?
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      • Profile picture of the author chandan94
        Hi,

        I provide web development and SEO offline. I have team of developers and SEO professionals and writers. I can provide you a better service. If you have proper customers then you can outsource 1 for trying my service.

        you can contact me through skype if you are interested.

        Chandan
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        • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
          Originally Posted by chandan94 View Post

          Hi,

          I provide web development and SEO offline. I have team of developers and SEO professionals and writers. I can provide you a better service. If you have proper customers then you can outsource 1 for trying my service.

          you can contact me through skype if you are interested.

          Chandan
          I will get on skype with you and we can talk. This sounds like what I'm talking about.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
    I'm not saying that you won't find what you're looking for here. I'm sure this thread will peak someone's interest.

    I responded the way I did, because, although you had received several, helpful responses to your enquiry, you decided to ignore the comments and, instead, assume that everyone was unable to understand.

    Your request for help has been addressed. If you are looking to hire someone - you are in the wrong sub-forum. If you are looking for a JV - you are in the wrong sub-forum. Based on your comments, I assumed that you were looking for advice - which was given to you.

    As I said, most of the people in this sub-forum are busy trying to run their own business. What you are offering - as good as it may seem - may or may not be suitable for everyone...which is why you should really look to the other sub-forums is you are looking to broker a deal with an SEO provider.

    There is nothing wrong with what you are doing - I am only trying to help. I would, however, reword your OP if it is not advice that you are seeking. That might solve most of these communication problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

      I'm not saying that you won't find what you're looking for here. I'm sure this thread will peak someone's interest.

      I responded the way I did, because, although you had received several, helpful responses to your enquiry, you decided to ignore the comments and, instead, assume that everyone was unable to understand.

      Your request for help has been addressed. If you are looking to hire someone - you are in the wrong sub-forum. If you are looking for a JV - you are in the wrong sub-forum. Based on your comments, I assumed that you were looking for advice - which was given to you.

      As I said, most of the people in this sub-forum are busy trying to run their own business. What you are offering - as good as it may seem - may or may not be suitable for everyone...which is why you should really look to the other sub-forums is you are looking to broker a deal with an SEO provider.

      There is nothing wrong with what you are doing - I am only trying to help. I would, however, reword your OP if it is not advice that you are seeking. That might solve most of these communication problems.
      I was asking for advice. That's why my OP says "Any suggestions". I even ask if anyone has any experience with White Label companies. If you read the thread, others were talking about JV opportunities and I was responding.
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      • Profile picture of the author Stranger Danger
        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        I was asking for advice. That's why my OP says "Any suggestions". I even ask if anyone has any experience with White Label companies. If you read the thread, others were talking about JV opportunities and I was responding.
        Are you on drugs? WOW.
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        • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
          Originally Posted by Stranger Danger View Post

          Are you on drugs? WOW.
          Not at all. It's actually a pretty valid question. I have a sales force but no fulfillment. I came to a place where a lot of people have the exact opposite. Call me crazy (or on drugs) but I thought a match could be made.

          Instead I get insulting offers and back talk from people that wouldn't last 5 minutes in my office.
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          • Profile picture of the author MaxwellB
            Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

            Not at all. It's actually a pretty valid question. I have a sales force but no fulfillment. I came to a place where a lot of people have the exact opposite. Call me crazy (or on drugs) but I thought a match could be made.

            Instead I get insulting offers and back talk from people that wouldn't last 5 minutes in my office.
            You posted in the completely wrong subforum.

            You should have looked at the WSO's there are some very good SEO guys there and the warrior for hire section. If you weren't such an A** I would tell you who they are.

            The people here are in this sub-forum the same spot you are, they are the salesman and offline consultants selling web services of all kinds.

            Iamnameless doesn't need me to defend him but he sells every single day web services on the phone...he's not just some warrior forum member he has built successful internet marketing businesses. Your absolutely right he doesn't need you at all, you'd end up being a major headache anyway.

            You wouldn't last selling seo you need to be consultative and I can tell your just a talk till your blue sales schmuck.

            Alarm systems are probably a better fit for you...good luck.
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              • Profile picture of the author anwiii
                wow. now i've seen it all. even people with a high post count are full of **** and emotional. unbelievable. i will be watching ya from now on. you're just as bad as the op!
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                • Originally Posted by anwiii View Post

                  wow. now i've seen it all. even people with a high post count are full of **** and emotional. unbelievable. i will be watching ya from now on. you're just as bad as the op!
                  Thanks for posting your "insight"

                  However, it seems that you have the same mind-set as New Age (extremely negative)!

                  Oh, and by the way, don't just watch me from now on, I highly suggest that you follow my posts from day one!. If you do, you'll see that I'm not full of B.S, like you have stated!

                  Again, like the advice I've given the OP, do your due your diligence. If you do, you will see that I don't give B.S. advice!

                  Peace Out!

                  JMB

                  P.S. Don't try to look me up by Thread, as I've never posted one since I've been a member here (since October 2008). I only reply to posts; so look me up that way!
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  • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
    This thread is pretty much irrelevant now. I connected with a local company that provides security systems and tv services. Ill get 200 per tv and 300 per security. Alli got to do is SELL. So the whole SEO thing is worthless for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

      This thread is pretty much irrelevant now. I connected with a local company that provides security systems and tv services. Ill get 200 per tv and 300 per security. Alli got to do is SELL. So the whole SEO thing is worthless for me.
      LMAO... that's funny, and you were saying 33% is a joke when it would be double that amount on the low end.
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      • Profile picture of the author MaxwellB
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        LMAO... that's funny, and you were saying 33% is a joke when it would be double that amount on the low end.
        Nameless honestly it's not worth your breath. About a month ago someone found me on here (didn't get their username) and wanted to sell for me (mobile web design/web design)....gave me the exact same story as the OP...exact same, kept saying "not trying to brag" ...blah blah stockbroker...blah blah I can hit the phone 10 hours...blah blah not worried about getting the sales...


        couldn't sell a damn thing, couldn't even set appointments.

        EDIT: of course it could just be a coincidence
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      • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        LMAO... that's funny, and you were saying 33% is a joke when it would be double that amount on the low end.
        I can have 5 callers in my office by Monday morning. I pay them 50% commission. Together we can move 30 or so per day, possibly more.

        Say we each do an even amount. For me, 6 x 250 = 1500.

        24 x 125 = 3000.

        Tell me how 33% with you puts $4500 per day in my pocket?

        Tell me why I should depend on a guy on the Warrior Forum for fulfillment over Dish Network and ADT?

        You don't need me remember?


        Thanks Midas and you are right. Sadly it seems most people on here don't get that though. And I figured since most people around here have a customer problem, not a fulfillment problem, I'd find someone good to work with.
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  • Profile picture of the author goldog
    This thread has me scratching my head thinking WTF... Can I get a refund on the last 15 mins?

    I think the Offline world is better off that you are selling security systems. NewAge, Good luck to you.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by goldog View Post

      This thread has me scratching my head thinking WTF... Can I get a refund on the last 15 mins?

      I think the Offline world is better off that you are selling security systems. NewAge, Good luck to you.
      I'm about MONEY. That's it. Pure and simple. I call for MONEY!

      I'm not confident that anyone here (based on the responses I've gotten) can fulfill my orders. I know that Dish Network and ADT can. I have no responsibilities what-so-ever outside of my sales team. We just dial and pitch.

      If I ever see an opportunity to get into the SEO game and feel comfortable my customers will be treated right and the orders will be filled, I'll jump all over it. The reason is simple. Most people here (from my reading) are terrified of calling. They are emailing, sending post cards, linkdin, etc. etc. So basically that means the market isn't even touched. If I find an opportunity, I'll touch it hard!
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    • Profile picture of the author bubbashrimp
      You said it!


      Originally Posted by goldog View Post

      This thread has me scratching my head thinking WTF... Can I get a refund on the last 15 mins?

      I think the Offline world is better off that you are selling security systems. NewAge, Good luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author zardon
    The problem with SEO is that I think most people, business owners think its a dark art, or they are not sure what exactly they are paying for; almost to the point that they are not sure if you (not specifically you) are actually doing anything or not.

    So, I've been thinking about selling it more like a product and use the old Features and Benefits -- with specific features (I dunno, 100 likes on Facebook or whatever). The benefits would be daily/weekly/monthly reporting and perhaps a sit-down review of the SEO to see what is working and what isn't and make it more transparent.

    This way they can see the results, and if it isn't working you can adjust it, drop it, customise it -- sorta like chiseling a statue until the client see's payoff, and when he/she does and the contract runs out you can jack up the price as they see perceived value in what you are doing.

    This is something I've been playing with, but I haven't got it nailed down just yet. Its just at concept state.
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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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      Excuse me...I had to jump in here because my 1st business was a "Burglar Alarm" biz in the suburbs of Chgo.

      After college (Northwestern Univ in Evanston, ILL) I got a job with GE in downtown Chgo. 2 wks after getting hired and going thru training....a secretary told me I had replaced a man who had been with the Corp for many yrs and ....JUST BEFORE HE COULD GET HIS "VESTED RIGHTS" for Retirement....they fired him...and replaced him with...little ol' me...at half the price!

      So....I asked my wifee if she'd like me to continue working for "THIS kind of operation". She agreed that I should look into a Business I could start and NOT have to worry about being let go....Just Before Retirement.

      And...a couple of weeks later I saw an ad in the WS Journal about a new kind of Home Burglar Alarm. I bought their program....on the basis that "I BELIEVED I COULD SELL IT!"

      So.....working evenings...setting up appointments with "wealthy" homeowners in the North Shore of Chgo....I landed my first customer....knowing NOTHING about How To Install the things (SEO)!

      I found an "Installer" who was working for a big alarm co....to help me install my 1st alarm on a Sat. I offered to pay him a FLAT FEE to do the installation. He agreed and....during the installation...2 neighbors came over and asked me to give them an estimate for THEIR HOMES.....and my business was started.

      So...remember these words;

      "NOTHING MOVES....UNLESS SOMETHING IS SOLD!"

      It always amazes me when someone who has created a "system" or "product" or...whatever....then....is "WILLING" to pay a "Sales Person" a small percentage of sales (usually in the area of 20%)....(as if THEIR System or Product will SELL ITSELF)

      Whenever "Sales People" are treated as if they are "a dime a dozen" (Oh! I'll just post an ad on Craig's List and get ALL the Sales People I need!) Yeah...Right! I KNOW the "creator" is NOT going to be successful.

      So....New Age guy....YOU are the REASON WHY "Techies" or "SEO" people ...CAN BE PAID! NOTHING Happens unless YOU can bring in ORDERS....and....DOLLARS!

      YOU...are the KEY to the whole ballgame! And...I don't think you made yourself Clear Enough...in your Opening comment. YOU are NOT looking to "work" for someone for "35%"..... or ANY percent! YOU are looking for someone who can "do the work you sell" for a FIXED AMOUNT OF $!

      Don Alm....LOOOOONG TIME ENTROOPENEER
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  • Profile picture of the author rushindo
    Yet another joke of a thread...

    @newbizideas312 - Read the thread before you reply.

    Originally Posted by goldog View Post

    This thread has me scratching my head thinking WTF... Can I get a refund on the last 15 mins?
    Quote of the month.

    I feel the same way about this thread and the 3,000% return thread... except I want a refund on the last 3 days from that thread... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author avajo71
    If you are interested, then I would like to establish a partnership with you, since I need some highly effective marketers for offline. You can make a minimum $300 per sale. PM me if you are interested.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luffy
    try walk on the nearby street, (btw you're not live in a country farm yes?)
    They are lot stores or small business owner that haven't a website
    try to convince them, that some existance in networld is important these days,
    they can bring more customer, make a brand, add some authority, etc
    learn how to deal with business owner

    Failed 1, then try again
    failed 2, try again
    failed 3 try again
    until you found a client, that's it
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  • Profile picture of the author kimboslice
    Go to google and type in "white label seo"

    Just my two cents... If you are a great salesman, then white label and appear to handle the services for your customers.
    Nurture your clients over time. Don't churn and burn.
    When the next big thing comes along, go back and make more money off of them.
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  • Profile picture of the author K2SMedia
    Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

    I'm at a small (actually HUGE) sticking point. I am in the process of starting an offline (local) SEO business. I know there are a lot of others doing it and there's a ton of competition but there's one small difference - I can pick up the phone and POUND IT 10 hours per day! I've been doing it for years!

    My problem is not getting clients. I'll close at least a client per day. I just have no idea how to provide the services.

    Any suggestions?


    BTW, I'm not bragging. I've been cold calling since I was 15 years old. I've been a stockbroker for 9 years and my company went out of business 6 months ago. I'm used to calling like crazy and pitching hard. I just need a way to provide the services.

    Thanks everyone!

    Where do you live? Shot in the dark, but it never hurts to ask.

    I am in AZ and while I have a ton of knowledge, ideas, and experience, I am not a salesman.

    One day I'll find that awesome salesman I've always wanted and do a 50/50 split of the profit (after costs) and we will just KILL this town.

    Until then... Back to hustling slowly.
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  • Profile picture of the author tobyddd
    Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

    I'm at a small (actually HUGE) sticking point. I am in the process of starting an offline (local) SEO business. I know there are a lot of others doing it and there's a ton of competition but there's one small difference - I can pick up the phone and POUND IT 10 hours per day! I've been doing it for years!

    My problem is not getting clients. I'll close at least a client per day. I just have no idea how to provide the services.

    Any suggestions?
    First things first, if you are selling SEO - learn about it - at least learn the basics. The fact that you are pounding away for 10 hours a day and only closing one deal a day, says that you are doing it wrong.

    Plenty of Warriors will provide you SEO services - you get the leads, they do the work. If you are doing local SEO, then it should be even easier.

    But my suggestion, which is what you originally asked for, is to learn about SEO yourself - not with the aim of doing the SEO yourself, but to have an understanding of what a client needs, what you can provide, and which Warriors (or other SEOs) to hire.

    Hope it helps ;-)
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by tobyddd View Post

      First things first, if you are selling SEO - learn about it - at least learn the basics. The fact that you are pounding away for 10 hours a day and only closing one deal a day, says that you are doing it wrong.

      Plenty of Warriors will provide you SEO services - you get the leads, they do the work. If you are doing local SEO, then it should be even easier.

      But my suggestion, which is what you originally asked for, is to learn about SEO yourself - not with the aim of doing the SEO yourself, but to have an understanding of what a client needs, what you can provide, and which Warriors (or other SEOs) to hire.

      Hope it helps ;-)
      From my research, the average selling price is around $2000 for an SEO package. That's just from basic google searching.

      Stepping into an industry that I do not know, never called in before, and one call closing one $2,000 deal per day isn't bad to start off.

      Name me one offline marketer in this forum that is getting 20 new clients per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethan F.
    Newage.. check your PMs man..
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by Ethan F. View Post

      Newage.. check your PMs man..
      I can't reply - post count.

      I've read what you wrote and YES, I said B2C. I don't know what post it is but I posted yesterday that I found a company that is local (10 minutes away) that will pay me $250 (average) for satellite TV and ADT alarm sales. They are both free systems with a monthly charge. I can call homes (easier call...easier close) and I never have to worry about fulfillment or customer support (Dish Network and ADT security).

      I already have 3 callers from my old team starting on Monday here at my office. It's a better deal all around than anything SEO related.

      And I also don't have to worry about collecting payments, paypal, merchant accounts, or any of that stuff. I just input the customers info into their system and that's it. Commission payments are directly deposited into my account after the installation. And the owner of the company was a client of mine in the stock business so I know him well.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
        Stick with the alarms. Nothing to understand. Simple.

        I know someone who has 5000 alarm customers and not only did he and his team make a lot from the initial sales, he hooked up with a monitoring wholsesale company at £11pm and charged £20pm which is still less than the UK average.

        The entire customer service is handled by the monitoring company plus going out and changing batteries.

        5000 x £9pm = £45,000pm (approx $80,000) plus they are customers for decades.

        Maybe you could do that in the US.

        Best thing is that TV pre-sells for you. Every news programme tells you about rape, burglary, murder etc etc these days.

        Good luck.

        Dan
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        • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
          Originally Posted by jimbo13 View Post

          Stick with the alarms. Nothing to understand. Simple.

          I know someone who has 5000 alarm customers and not only did he and his team make a lot from the initial sales, he hooked up with a monitoring wholsesale company at £11pm and charged £20pm which is still less than the UK average.

          The entire customer service is handled by the monitoring company plus going out and changing batteries.

          5000 x £9pm = £45,000pm (approx $80,000) plus they are customers for decades.

          Maybe you could do that in the US.

          Best thing is that TV pre-sells for you. Every news programme tells you about rape, burglary, murder etc etc these days.

          Good luck.

          Dan

          Dan - You're 100% right and that's why I decided to go that route. I honestly didn't even think of it until I started going through my client book looking to see if I had any people in the tech industry that might be able to help me with the SEO stuff.

          $300 per sale for a free alarm system. They have to pay $99 for installation but I can incentivize it if I want. So basically I can give the customer a $100 gift card to cover the install.

          It's simple, it's B2C, and I never have to worry about fulfillment with ADT.
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      • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        . . . . I can pick up the phone and POUND IT . . . . I've been doing it for years!

        . . . . BTW, I'm not bragging. I've been cold calling since I was 15 years old . . .

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        Not bragging, but I've been selling stock for 9 years . . . .

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        . . . . I know how to SELL . . . . all I see is people sending emails, videos, doing the work before they are paid, etc. They are AFRAID OF THE PHONE. They can't close.

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        . . . Give me a phone and listen for an hour. You'll have your proof . . .

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        . . . . I have the desired skill . . .


        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        . . . I'll literally be handing people CLOSED DEALS . . .

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand . . . I sell things . . . I really thought people would jump all over my offer of free business . . .

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        . . . Sadly it seems most people on here don't get that though . . .

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        I'm about MONEY. That's it. Pure and simple . . . . Most people here (from my reading) are terrified of calling . . .

        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        . . .Call me crazy (or on drugs) . . . .


        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        I don't need too or want to earn your respect . . .


        Well OP, you seem to have intimidated and antagonised Warriors in equal proportions. I've known, and employed a lot of high quality sales people during my time, and I don't believe any of the top end had to resort to touting for business on a forum. You see the real cream of the sales crop, the real high rollers, and the real McCoy, are always in constant demand. If you can genuinely sell anything as you claim, then the world of commerce would be at YOUR feet . . . permanently.

        It's a great shame you found it necessary to barge into WF like the proverbial 'bull in a china shop'. In doing so, and by coming across as arrogant, conceited and smug to many Warriors, most would happily agree to your request (as highlighted above in your posts' extracts). You really have done yourself no favours.

        WF is overflowing with claims for the best in this or that. It's all been heard on here countless times before. Yours is just another added to that perpetual list. And no matter what your claim, there's always someone better than you.

        By the way, did I tell you I am the best football player in Britain, have sold more books than Stephen King, can orgasm 165 times a night . . . blah . .
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        • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
          Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

          Well OP, you seem to have intimidated and antagonised Warriors in equal proportions. I've known, and employed a lot of high quality sales people during my time, and I don't believe any of the top end had to resort to touting for business on a forum. You see the real cream of the sales crop, the real high rollers, and the real McCoy, are always in constant demand. If you can genuinely sell anything as you claim, then the world of commerce would be at YOUR feet . . . permanently.

          It's a great shame you found it necessary to barge into WF like the proverbial 'bull in a china shop'. In doing so, and by coming across as arrogant, conceited and smug to many Warriors, most would happily agree to your request (as highlighted above in your posts' extracts). You really have done yourself no favours.

          WF is overflowing with claims for the best in this or that. It's all been heard on here countless times before. Yours is just another added to that perpetual list. And no matter what your claim, there's always someone better than you.

          By the way, did I tell you I am the best football player in Britain, have sold more books than Stephen King, can orgasm 165 times a night . . . blah . .
          I didn't come in that way. I came in with a simple request. "I can sell but I can't fulfill the services...any suggestions". Read my first post.

          Then I have people talking about $8 per hour. I'm not 12 years old and I don't expect to be treated like it. I've been on the phone 10 hours per day since I was 15 years old. More than half my life!

          I came in asking a question and I got ridiculous replies so I reacted the way I did.
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  • Profile picture of the author rushindo
    @NewAge,

    Are you cold calling homes for the security systems? Or are you calling leads that responded to an offer?
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    • Profile picture of the author Roxyj
      I know that this thread has gone a bit off-topic, but I thought that I would put in a suggestion. If you can find an SEO person that you trust, maybe you can have him put together a few packages that would suit your target market, for a set price (something you both can agree on, so that you strike a balance of profit and ability to sell) or an ala carte menu of services. He can give you an explanation of the features in the package and the expected outcome of those features. Then you mark it up.

      I think that SEO can be a bit tricky because it can be difficult to put together one-size-fits all packages, and most people traditionally quote on a per job basis, so selling SEO without being able to do a consultation with the customer makes it difficult.

      Your concept could work if you work closely with your SEO provider, maybe contact customers with "sample" packages, but require a quote. Have your SEO guy give you a list of questions to ask the customer to provide a consult on the customers needs, and have him develop a quote and then mark that up.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by rushindo View Post

      @NewAge,

      Are you cold calling homes for the security systems? Or are you calling leads that responded to an offer?
      I always buy my own leads for all my calling regardless of what it is. In the stock business I bought D&B's and had a caller qualifying them. I also bought some higher priced leads that were already qualified.

      For this, my plan is pretty simple. First I hit every real estate agent that has a house listed on MLS. Make the house more attractive by putting in an alarm...then I tell the RE Agent I split the $300 with them if they get the client to do it.

      That should take a few days. Once I get a few of them on board, then I just check in with them once a week and hit the white pages HARD!
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      • Profile picture of the author rushindo
        Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

        For this, my plan is pretty simple. First I hit every real estate agent that has a house listed on MLS. Make the house more attractive by putting in an alarm...then I tell the RE Agent I split the $300 with them if they get the client to do it.
        That's smart.

        Once I get a few of them on board, then I just check in with them once a week and hit the white pages HARD!
        You're not worried about the do not call list?
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  • Profile picture of the author Orkhan Ibad
    Hey NewAge29,

    Check your PM.

    Orkhan
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  • Profile picture of the author JamieSEO
    Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

    I'm at a small (actually HUGE) sticking point. I am in the process of starting an offline (local) SEO business. I know there are a lot of others doing it and there's a ton of competition but there's one small difference - I can pick up the phone and POUND IT 10 hours per day! I've been doing it for years!

    My problem is not getting clients. I'll close at least a client per day. I just have no idea how to provide the services.

    Any suggestions?
    We all have our own strengths

    If you are great at making sales, then that is what you should spend all your time doing. Outsource the SEO to someone that is happy to provide a White Label service for you.

    I always love providing White Label services because it means:
    - I only have to deal with 1 person instead of many
    - I hate the 'sales' side of business and kinda suck at it

    You can approach anyone on the Warrior Forum with a SEO service that has a good reputation and ask if they offer White Labeling. Most will also be happy to create a tailor made package just for you and your clients if you need it
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  • Profile picture of the author QWE
    Even if you find a white label product, you won't know what method they are using because you don't have the knowledge. You sort of have to trust them blindly. Unfortunately, 99.9% of SEO experts use black hat techniques or they outsource to others who use black hat software. Your clients will get upset with you whenever Google cleans out the SERP. You may want to learn about how SEO works before you partner up with a white label company. If you are knowledgeable, you can at least ask the right questions.
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by QWE View Post

      Even if you find a white label product, you won't know what method they are using because you don't have the knowledge. You sort of have to trust them blindly. Unfortunately, 99.9% of SEO experts use black hat techniques or they outsource to others who use black hat software. Your clients will get upset with you whenever Google cleans out the SERP. You may want to learn about how SEO works before you partner up with a white label company. If you are knowledgeable, you can at least ask the right questions.
      Like I said many times in this thread, I sold stock for years and didn't know the difference between the Nasdaq and the NYSE.

      It doesn't matter what you sell, the sales process is the same. There's plenty of ways to find out how solid someone's reputation is online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    NewAge -- what city are you out of and is your territory restricted or wide open?

    Might have missed it. Do you get recurring cash flows from business that stays on the books?

    If you dial 10 hours a day, how many deals will you close? Do you have to even go out and see them, or can you do it all over the phone?


    -Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      NewAge -- what city are you out of and is your territory restricted or wide open?

      Might have missed it. Do you get recurring cash flows from business that stays on the books?

      If you dial 10 hours a day, how many deals will you close? Do you have to even go out and see them, or can you do it all over the phone?


      -Dave

      I'm just getting started with this so I'm not all that familiar with it yet but I'll give you what I got so far and I'll only give you my PERSONAL stats and I'll leave out my employees stats.

      Monday (day 1) - We didn't get started until around 4PM because we had to get the phone lines back up and running and get everything set up. I ended up making 47 contacts (around 200 dials) and got 2 schedules for an installation. If they both go, that's $600 in my pocket.

      Tuesday (day 2) - We started at 11AM (the usual) and I stopped at 8PM. I got 126 contacts with 7 booked for installs. 300x7 = $2100 in my pocket.

      Today (day 3) - 11AM and we just stopped. 142 contacts, 6 booked = $1800 in my pocket.

      Here's the thing though. My friend (the guy who owns the company we are selling for) tells me that about 50% of the appointments actually get paid out. They have to keep the appointment, pay the $99 install fee and go through a credit check. So my numbers (with the 50% taken into place) look like this...

      15 appointments
      7 will get paid (around 50%)
      $300 per install
      $2100 total in 2 and a half days.


      This does NOT include my callers. My callers get 50% commission and I have 6 of them as of now. Top guy in the room for the day gets $300 cash.


      So far it's going well and I've known the guy who owns the company we are selling for since 2002 so I know we'll get paid.



      Oh and we were only pitching alarm systems so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    NewAge --

    Definitely interested in your new business -- sounds lucrative and certainly awesome as no servicing, bill collecting, grunt work is involved. Pitch and close. That's how I like it.

    Perhaps you could answer a few questions for me pertaining to your new business?

    1) Are there charge-back risks on new business you collect your $300 commission on? Or is the $300 completely yours to keep, even if the customer cancels after the first month?
    2) What's your territory?
    3) I'm assuming these are all cold calls, right?
    4) Are you footing the bill for power dialer software, scrubbed lists, etc? Do you get any health insurance benefits?
    5) How would you suggest pitching an alarm business on a program like you're doing?
    6) Do you get any on-going residuals for business that stay on the books?


    Thanks,
    Dave
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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      NewAge --

      Definitely interested in your new business -- sounds lucrative and certainly awesome as no servicing, bill collecting, grunt work is involved. Pitch and close. That's how I like it.

      Perhaps you could answer a few questions for me pertaining to your new business?

      1) Are there charge-back risks on new business you collect your $300 commission on? Or is the $300 completely yours to keep, even if the customer cancels after the first month?
      The customer is in a 24 month contract. Upon installation they sign the contract and I get paid.


      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      2) What's your territory?
      I can call anywhere I'd like in the USA.

      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      3) I'm assuming these are all cold calls, right?
      Yes, one call closes.

      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      4) Are you footing the bill for power dialer software, scrubbed lists, etc? Do you get any health insurance benefits?
      I've never had company provided insurance in my life. I've had a dialer for 3 years. The Dialer we use is called Blue Streak and we have an 8 person set up. I only have 6 people (including me) using it. I can't remember the exact price but I believe it was around $10,000 for everything.

      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      5) How would you suggest pitching an alarm business on a program like you're doing?
      I don't really have a set "pitch" that I use. I just have a set of questions I ask and it all revolves around the crime in the area. We use a lot of guilt and fear to close the deal (obviously since it's an alarm system) and it works very well.

      Basically my pitch goes like this...

      Hi this is (Name), I'm just calling to make sure I have your address right (read address...let them question). I'm calling because you were chosen to host one of our lawn signs in your front yard in exchange for a free alarm system for your house. I just need to make sure i have the address right so I can send the installation team.

      Then when they object I just bring up the crime rate in the area. Then I'll say something like "You're family is at risk" or whatever.

      One of my guys calls and does the typical "Hi this is (name) from (company) and I'm calling because we are giving away a free alarm systems in your area". He does well with that too.

      It's a real simple sale.

      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      6) Do you get any on-going residuals for business that stay on the books?


      Thanks,
      Dave

      No we only get up front commission. We get $300 for alarms and $200 for TV. We are only pitching alarms right now because of the commission.



      No problem




      For our first week, as a room (6 people) we ended the week with an average of 91 appointments per day. We started off slow but ended really strong once we got the whole thing down. Not all of those appointments will actually get the installation done though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Bump -- I'd PM you, NewAge, but don't have enough posts yet.

    Could you provide me any assistance? I sure would appreciate it!


    Best,
    Dave


    PS: How are you doing so far?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Thanks NewAge.

    Can you tell me who you're working for and how I could get involved doing something similar to what you're doing?

    I appreciate your help -- you can PM me if you prefer.


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    • Profile picture of the author NewAge29
      Originally Posted by Rearden View Post

      Thanks NewAge.

      Can you tell me who you're working for and how I could get involved doing something similar to what you're doing?

      I appreciate your help -- you can PM me if you prefer.


      -Dave
      The only thing I can tell you is to look for a reseller in your area. ADT pays on volume so I have no idea what your payout would be. The best way to find one would be to look for ones that are hiring and call them.

      I know my reseller very well. He was a client of mine in the stock business. I called him because I knew he owned a room and I wanted to see what he was selling. He had me set up a day later.
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  • Originally Posted by NewAge29 View Post

    I'm at a small (actually HUGE) sticking point. I am in the process of starting an offline (local) SEO business. I know there are a lot of others doing it and there's a ton of competition but there's one small difference - I can pick up the phone and POUND IT 10 hours per day! I've been doing it for years!

    My problem is not getting clients. I'll close at least a client per day. I just have no idea how to provide the services.

    Any suggestions?


    BTW, I'm not bragging. I've been cold calling since I was 15 years old. I've been a stockbroker for 9 years and my company went out of business 6 months ago. I'm used to calling like crazy and pitching hard. I just need a way to provide the services.

    Thanks everyone!
    There are plenty of companies (and Warriors) who provide SEO services. You could team up with one of them. HOWEVER, since you are so good at "cold calling", have you ever thought of teaming up with several folks and doing the cold calling for them for a percentage of what they'd take in? I'm sure there are Warriors who would pay you to do the cold calling for them.
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