This is why so many OFFliners fail...No Mtter How Many WSOs They Buy

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Dear Warrior,

This is not to slay any WSO. I have bought a lot and have learn a great deal from them.

However, this is to reveal something I believe they leave out. So here goes. . .

If you're trying to get into the offline niche, and have failed so far, here's one reason why.

You are trying to succeed too fast!

Offline is different from online.

But I suspect most people who come offline from online try to make it work like online.

I'll explain.

Online, someone can read your salesletter and buy immediately. Offline, it's not quite so.

Here's why:

For one mostly they're hearing about you and your business for the first time.

Secondly, offline service prices are huge. I don't know how much others charge but the least I charge in my country (Nigeria) the equivalent of $3,000 starting out and $1,000 monthly for maintenance (and that depends on what I'm doing for the client). Todate I have about 6 clients. (One of them is a huge cash cow for me).

Now, it's easy for someone buying online to PayPal you $17 for a course. It's not easy for a business owner who's still as skeptical as hell about what you're offering him to just give you $3,000 or $10,000.

For that to happen, you must DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP.

Let me tell you a story.

I once was pursuing a Thai restaurant here to sell online marketing services to them.

I couldn't meet the owner and was always directed to the accountant. I made two presentations (the second time, the rain beat me so thoroughly I was soaking wet and dripping water while making the presentation!)

Anyways, I had to go back a third time, to make the presentation to the same person BEFORE they were confident enough to inform the owner, but when they did, they were already convinced.

This whole process lasted almost three months.

If I didn't know what to expect, I would have given up and gone home sucking my thumb and lamenting that offline marketing doesn't work.

If you are having difficulty closing your offline clients, here's a consolation.

It takes TIME to develop a relationship.

Don't try and get lucky on the 1st date. In most cases that ain't gonna happen.

Have a solid process for mailing your prospects, and reaching them and of course, have a solid closing process. And don't worry if they drag out the process. ant times, they're trying to know if they can trust you.

Also here's a secret resource for getting good and becoming a legend in the offline biz.

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In my opinion, it's the absolutely best resource for getting serious dough as a consultant.

Anyone else have some more ideas and insights on this? Let's have it.

Regards,

Ron.
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  • Profile picture of the author grey38
    Good post. I have a feeling some will disagree with you, in how it takes a relationship to close every client. Or even most clients in that case. I've never built a relationship with my clients. I've always closed them on my first meeting. Granted I've never gotten 3,000 from a deal yet alone a 10,000 dollar deal. I'm still in that 600-800 dollar deal range.

    So I could see a lot more money needing to involve more trust.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    I agree with the relationship building...it is the key to iron strong loyalty and big dollars.

    To simplify what the OP said....An Internet Marketers instict is to try to approach every task in a way that makes it so they don't have to talk to or interact face to face with a client.

    That just isn't going to work in the living world beyond your computer.

    Yeah you'll get some clients and some big paying jobs....but aside from the fact that your only landing a fraction of what you should be landing..you've left yourself extremely vulnerable to losing that client simply because you are easy to drop when the next guy comes along who builds a face to face relationship. There's no emotional attachment to you.



    Local buisnesses will go with the face to face guy 9 out of 10 times.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ronald Nzimora
      Exactly what I mean.

      Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post


      Local buisnesses will go with the face to face guy 9 out of 10 times.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by Doran Peck View Post


      Local buisnesses will go with the face to face guy 9 out of 10 times.
      BULLSH*T

      Just because that is YOUR experience, doesn't mean its fact.

      That sentiment is so misleading, and i am seeing it more and more every day.

      its just WRONG.

      I have nothign agianst you Doran ... please don't feel like its a personal
      attack, it isn't. I just don't want to see the new people getting confused
      with all inclusive statements like that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
        Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

        BULLSH*T

        Just because that is YOUR experience, doesn't mean its fact.

        That sentiment is so misleading, and i am seeing it more and more every day.

        its just WRONG.

        I have nothign agianst you Doran ... please don't feel like its a personal
        attack, it isn't. I just don't want to see the new people getting confused
        with all inclusive statements like that.
        no offense taken.

        yeah I didn't mean that line to be an actual literal statistic, but rather a cliche statement.

        A better worded way to say it might be to say that a face to face relationship is the stronger position to be in.

        My whole point being...and I see it everywhere...especially here in an "internet marketing" forum...is that alot of guys seem to be doing everything they can to avoid real contact with people....and I feel like that is only going to get you so far...more importantly it is the weaker, more vulnerable postition to be in.

        Can it be successful, well of course...but it can also be beaten easier.


        Seems to me the reason IMers tend to approach it this way is because thats just how they know to do things. they know how to use online tools. I think there is a fear aspect to some types of things sure, but thats like anything else..when you gain a bit of a comfort level with something is when you start to get good at it, then you add that skill to your arsenal.

        I think the relationship developing thing plays an even greater role for marketers who provide a platter of different services or are managing many things for a client.

        I realize there are alot of guys who are specializing in one or two things where they can get it done or maintain it relatively quickly, and are able to run through a larger quantity of clients over a given amount of time...so IT IS more of a numbers game to them...they make the money their satisfied with rinse and repeat...and thats fine.

        You just don't want to put yourself in a position where its too easy for them to be able to narrow the best thing about you just being your price tag....cuz there is always someone else on the internet who will be lower.

        If they know you, love you, depend on you, trust you ...they will pay you to stick around and the price wont matter.

        DP
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  • Profile picture of the author Cyberdog1
    It's true that taken online-offline works better and quicker but If you stick at the IM gig and focus on the right system then you can make a lot of money online.

    It has been proven many times over but you are right in that it is one of the main reasons why people don't succeed online
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    Look, 70% of people will make up a statistic, just to support their argument. Kind of like I'm doing now. @ken is right, generalizations and bogus stats, help no one.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I'll be honest I didn't read after the "this is why so many offliners fail" headline.

    First reason why.

    Within the first week of entering offline I already had my first check for $400. Within 2 weeks after that I already made $4,000.

    Offline I find A LOT easier than online to make money with. At least 100 times easier compared to online.

    About "building relationships", maybe I'm doing it wrong, I DO talk to my prospects quite a bit, but I don't try hard to be their friends. I try harder to get valuable information about their business so I can use it to make them money.

    I try harder to think outside the box and help them come up with great ways to market their business.

    I'm always trying to bring value into their life more than I try to be their friends. But in the PROCESS of HELPING them becoming friends is always bonus. What I honestly find is the MORE you actually help these people, the MORE they will WANT to be your FRIEND. Its pretty simple logic.

    I have one client whos website I finished 4 months ago who still calls me at least once a week just to let me know how things are going. He asks me questions, tries to get ideas, I gladly pick up the phone and help him out. So in that respect YES I'm building a relationship. But its important for newbies to understand my MAIN goal is just to HELP as much as I can. MORESO then really be their "friend".

    In fact I think being friends isn't as important as most people think. Being friendly is important, but you don't need to be buddy buddy with all your clients. Just imagine how psychologists work. You go to see a therapist he gets PAID to tell you things you probably WILL NOT want to hear. There are many times I have to do this with my clients where I need to break some sort of "bad news" to them. They value that honesty and experience MORE than building a relationship with them.

    I think to a degree its IMPOSSIBLE NOT to build a relationship if you're so keen on just helping people. Like you don't even have to focus on it, it will just happen and those bonds will develop regardless.

    If you genuinely make that your #1 priority, you'll have more "client friends" than you can handle.

    I understand why you made this post, I think its definitely helpful, but it might also give people the idea that offline is harder than it really is.

    Its not. Its actually so easy you can train a monkey to do it for you. Just make sure he is one knowledgable monkey and you'll do fine. =]

    -Red
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