BOB ROSS!!! Where's the damned thread?!?

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Okay, I KNOW I'm not crazy...although some would argue otherwise...but regardless to whether I am or I not...I want to know where the damned updated thread version (that I responded to, I might add...) went! I want to keep up with the "Make $5,000 and be a Hero" thread since the old one, after getting so much attention and responses, got shut down.

So, what's new and popping in the world of Direct Mail, jumbo coupon postcards??? Have the post office started getting fired up about businesses finally starting to catch on and use the Every Door Direct campaign? I know Taradel.com is a great company to use for direct mail advertisements!

Step 1: Target Your Mailing Areas - ONLINE
Step 2: Choose Your Direct Mail Product
Step 3: Place Your Order, you're done!

For those people who don't want to bother getting their nails dirty! :p
#offline marketing #bob #damned #ross #thread
  • believe me I wish it was still here but the mods don't like it. I don't know if they feel it's self promotional or what but they delete it fast unfortunately.

    It sucks but I should probably just stay away from talking about it on here because for some reason they don't like it and I definitely don't want to be on bad terms with the mods.
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    • I think once a thread get so big the pages get hard to load for some maybe?

      Thats the only reason In can think of, Bob certainly wasnt trying to monopolize anything, he just had a great thread. Guilty! lol

      He is a straight up guy.

      Im sure its a technical reason.
    • Bob, I don't suppose that you have any left over postcards laying around the houe do you?

      If so, I'd love to take one off your hands

      I think that'd help tremendously, showing a real example of what I'll be doing.
  • I don't know why they don't like it...you laid out a plan anyone could follow...they could get the postcards printed anywhere...
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    • This. I read that thread 3 days ago, and am going all out on it as I'm typing this.

      I thought of some other ways to reach out to a large number of business owners, which are proving very effective, and I've got a friend, she's going to be calling and hitting the pavement for me this week (very cute girl by the way ) So I'm looking at worst case scenario, having about 8-10 businesses signed up by Friday. My goal is to do 4 cities a month, so pretty close to 20K profit.

      Can't thank you enough Bob, this is really turning things around for me.
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  • I thought the thread was great. I only saw a small piece of the monster thread, but I caught most of the last one.

    If you ever add another one down the road, I'd recommend turning off your signature. At least that way it's not so "self promotional" and would stand a chance to last.

    Either way, I appreciated the other thread before it was gone. Definitely gave me another idea to offer to my local directory clients and help brand my directory at the same time.
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    • Hey Bob Ross I thought your post was fantastic - Any chance you could email me? I'd really appreciate a few tips.

      info[at]mar-marketing[dot]co[dot]uk

      Cheers!
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  • Can we like vote to get the thread back or something?

    I also saw the thread yesterday and got very exicted when I saw it. Went to type a long post, pressed the post button and the thread was gone. Just my luck.

    WE NEED THAT DAMN THREAD BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    (seriously)
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    • A Vote ... HA HA, what do ya think this is a democracy or something?
      thnx for the chuckle Red
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  • I totally will remove my signature if that's the reason they took it down but I have no clue who to contact about it, I wish they would give me a reason or a warning or something.

    The only mod I know of is Paul Myers and I had asked him why my original thread got locked and he said it could possibly be because it was sucking up too much air in the forum, however he wasn't the one who deleted it.
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    • There needs to be an answer here by administration.

      It makes no logical sense.

      There needs to be some transparency here.

      That thread or thread type is "old school" Warrior Forum, that thread is what The Warrior Forum is all about, unless there is a better explanation.

      That's the kind of thread that enhances the integrity of The Warrior Forum and separates it from most, it makes no sense at all.

      The 13th Warrior
  • Sucking too much air up on the forum...huh?

    Fascinating that a thread where intelligent people are actively engaged in discussing a topic about an actionable and profitable program is considered "sucking too much air" and "self promotional"

    I don't get it, but I'd vote to have the thread come back too... democracy or not!
  • I know warrior forum has their rules, but A LOT of people LOVED the old thread. Part of the reason I stopped posting in it is many of the older members (like Bob) had to stop posting in it.

    Obviously because there is a limit on how many posts you can make in 1 thread. I'm assuming the reason the second thread got deleted is because members can't make 2 threads about the same thing.

    I can see how that rule would add quality to WF for the *most part*, but I do think there are exceptions.

    A continuation of the postcard thread would allow Bob to post in it again, and other members as well (like myself). It got to a point where only newbies were allowed to post in the old thread which was stupid. That doesn't add quality to a forum it degrades it imo.

    So when he made the new thread I thought "great we can start having quality discussions again", then sure enough its gone.

    Its really just a thread (a helpful thread at that), whats the big deal? We have TONS of threads just wasting space on this forum so it only makes sense to let the best threads stay.

    -Red
  • you may be taking of the warrior forum rules, keep calm down )
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    • Hmm, that's too bad. When a trusted warrior gives freely of their information, with a sig or not, shouldn't really matter. Bob's info is GOLD if you take action on it.

      We'll see what's going to happen... Doubt it though that the new thread will resurface.

      I'd like to add something though, what was in the thread is just a smidgeon of what else he provides you with once you are on the "inside",

      Eva
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  • Hmmm browsing this Thread makes me curious to see the thread that was being talked about.
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    • Question. Okay, I know the post cards "attraction" and selling feature were about businesses using coupons as a way to draw in (new) customers...but what if there were businesses that weren't interested in coupons but basically name exposure? I see ads all the time, month in and month out who pay to advertise, IN COLOR, mind you, to local town/city newspapers without fail. Couldn't this work for them? I mean, since with those small papers, people have to go where ever the papers are dropped off (barber shops/ small grocery stores. etc) and the selling feature would be DIRECT mailed, not random customer pick up!

      I also asked a few of those paper's business advertisers WHY did they keep paying to advertise when there is really NO way to know their return on investment/if those walking through their door had come based on that newspaper advertisement...and you know what they all told me? Because it was THE ONLY GAME in town!

      I like to fell out....
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  • I would like to know more about this strategy. I wasnt here to see the old thread, but a new one would be great! Why not just create a new one?
  • http://9x12system.com/

    You guys should just buy it and start your own REAL business, instead of wasting your time on here
    and trying to dredge up gossip.

    His asking price "might" seem a bit high to some folks.

    However, I can 1000000000% Guarantee you the ROI you get back in terms of income and forum support is worth 10 times what he's asking. That's right. I would pay 10 times the price if I knew beforehand, the value that lies ahead in the forum and especially in terms of income generation.

    You need to ask yourself is $77 a smart investment to make a REAL $5000 a month ?
    And if you're industrious, you can make 2 and 3 times that per month as others already have.
    The Bob Ross wso is one of the most valuable wso's you will find on this forum.

    It works.
    The support forum will amaze you with the additional twists and idea's, pushing the wso far beyond everyone's expectations.
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  • I had some thoughts on implementing that here in Ireland - margins would be way, way down due to delivery and printing costs, and using certain services the largest acceptable leaflet is A5(!). Folding (allowed) detracts from the effect of the large card.

    I'd also make sure to have a large Recycle logo somewhere and ensure it's printed on recycled - that'll help with a lot of folks.

    Anyway, original idea was very interesting - hope the mods rethink and undelete it (and maybe merge this thread).
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    • Was the best thread I've read on this forum. I haven't read anything on this forum that made me so excited about how easy and practical something can be. I bet they saw it as being self promotion with your link. That's my only guess, but geeze... the amount of value in there is something that people could follow exactly and really execute.
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  • I really appreciate the support guys. It's so true that you don't need to buy any special software or guide or report to make the system work, you can take it infinite ways and make it a big moneymaker just by knowing the concept, which I wish was still posted on here of course.

    This system seems to get better everyday and it's all due to so many of you applying your knowledge, creativity, and ideas toward it and sharing them. While it blows that I can't have a discussion thread on here about it, I appreciate all the emails, PMs, and Private Forum communication that have helped this grow into such a big monster.
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  • I visit local businesses and close them on buying ad space on a giant postcard I'll be sending out in the mail to 10,000 local residents. I sell the spaces for $495 each and can fit 16 large ads on a 9"x12" postcard.

    If you send them out using the post offices "every door direct" program, you don't need any list or permit, you just have them printed and you pick the carrier routes you want to saturate, and get them to the post office. This means that for $495 they get pretty much a GUARANTEED 100% exposure of their Advertisement, which only postcard marketing can do.

    I've done 2 cards so far and had a tracked response of 13% on the first one and 22% response on the 2nd! I'm being 100% serious here and you'll see the same results if you get good offers on there for services that people frequently use. (Restaurants, oil changes, pizza, seasonal, etc...)
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  • 22%??!!!!!!!!!

    13% on the your FIRST RUN?

    Look I have NO IDEA what you are doing, but I think Bob himself doesn't even get that type of conversion.

    Conversion on my first run was more like 2-3% if I remember correctly. Second run was just a bit better.

    To get that type of response on your first run though.... I'm honestly not sure what to say. If it is true like you say, then you need to start giving some serious lessons on postcard copy design & how to target. =]

    -Red
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    • lol he was quoting my original post of the monster thread.

      I did get 13% on my first run. I hit 3 homeruns and I believe anyone can do it if they pick the same niches and use a good offer.

      The majority of my large response is from : Pizza, Bakery,and Liquor.

      I basically had 1000ish responses from those 3 alone if I recall correctly.

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  • Yea, he was using figures across the whole card not per biz. I just had a pizza woman swear at me and kick me out of her store today though, telling me they "did something like that before" and got no response...

    Yet... they advertise in the Monthly Mailer with an ad tucked so far in it's a wonder anyone sees it... so I'm imagining she doesn't have any idea what she is talking about, and also she wouldn't even let me talk really. I was pissed about it before, but now I find it funny.
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    • I know you emailed me and I will get back to you I promise.

      For the pizza lady, mark my words, she will be OUT OF BUSINESS soon enough. Seriously these are the people that you'll drive by a year from now and see their place closed up or a new pizza joint in it's place.

      When biz owners refuse to understand what they're missing out on and they give such crazy responses about it, I just want to slap 'em!
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  • ? self promotion is a no no, but also follow me down the yellow brick road threads are usually squashed as well, so if some one is doing a follow me while you look over my shoulder type journal they are slammed from memory ? (for the reason they can turn into a novel ?)

    I recall the thread but not sure if it took that direction or not ? and I may be wrong on that ruling ?
  • I vote for the thread to be back up as well. When I saw the updated version of the old thread, it actually MOTIVATED me to get this up and running. By the time I discovered the original, it had been months after it started, noticed it was locked and thought, oh, maybe this isn't such a good idea.

    I have consulted a couple of my mentors about this program, and he has businesses that would jump on this in a New York Minute. He says to me "if you don't start this, I'm going to, you have 30 days to launch this before I jump in and own this town."

    Since Bob cannot START the post, why doesn't someone else start it, and continue the conversation? Would that be against any of the rules? I am totally for a basic set of rules to make sure things are in order and does not get spammy, but when do you draw the line if SEVERAL people share the same interest in getting the post back?

    I digress. I will be out prospecting and filling up my card. Once its full I will get my second one done and share my results on this thread if it is still here...

    Cheers! Thank you again Bob!
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    • Good luck! I'm off to get a mockup made and get this thing filled.
    • I did in post 28, I copied Bobs main idea in the first post to get this thread heading in the right direction. Not sure if the rules allow the thread to be re-started by some one else or risked being banned. lets keep this thread on topic for now

    • This will not work, simply because that is a guess on why the thread was deleted.

      They have yet to respond or offer any viewpoint.

      Maybe Warrior Forum owner and/or its administration consider themselves too big and beneath humility to offer relief to its members.

      Or beneath them and insulting that their reasons need to be explained or justified.

      Because why would they at least offer an initial statement, something like "we are currently investigating the issue and will have an explanation at its conclusion."

      Maybe that will be or sounds like shallow Public Relations B.S. or something , but at least it is some response to its members concern on a very worthy issue, the very heart and reason .., at least originally, of The Warrior Forum.

      NO response simply does not make any sense whatsoever.


      The 13th Warrior
  • Bob, Guys,
    Anyone ever tried to strike an agreement with a business, or really 2 businesses to do this with, and here is the caveat. There is no money up front on their part, but they would have to pay on conversions. Thought about it just reading thru here. Hard to know how to make that one work and track it, but would be awesome to make 5k or so on that, but would have to be in lucrative market with good margins so that they would be willing to part with money for each visit/sale/appointment. I am kind of droning on here, but any ideas on tracking and who (which) in terms of business may be receptive and the margins to share.
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    • No offense, but this seems like an awful plan man. That's $2,500 bucks out of your pocket and hoping for a decent return, and I can't imagine the profit margin would be very big, if existent at all.
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  • Bob, have you ever had success promoting a comedy club or other night life stuff like this (besides bars, I am sure that's hot.)
  • I've gotten a LOT of threads with good ideas from the WF (including the Make $5,000 ... thread.) And having seen a number of them disappear, I use a Firefox plugin called print2pdf to make PDF copies and save them to my hard drive.

    Marvin
  • Can someone please point me in a direction of what ever the thread you guys are talking about was about. You guys have to either give some clues for us to find this method or stop talking about it, cuz your killing me. lol. Is there an older thread of bob ross method somewhere?

    do you have a link to the thread?
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    • Charles Huber I am doing some pay per client type deals with several businesses that signed up for the card. I wouldn't use it as the first thing though, obviously straight up sale is much more preffered.

      However, if you find yourself in a situation like I did, where the deadline to start printing those postcards is coming up and you still have some spots left and just can't seem to sell them, then doing a cpa type deal is an decent proposition (more so than leaving those spaces blank obviously)

      Plus in my case I figured if they get good results they will sign up for the next card, and if they don't I am pretty much screwed anyway. Also, I'd try to choose bussinesses that benefit the postcard and will be useful to people who get them (so restaurants and other frequently used industries)
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    • The origianl thread was about the idea of printing a giant front and back color postcard with up to 16 ads per card, and using Every Day Direct mail to deliver to the locals surrounding the merchants. Unfortunately Bob later released a WSO on the same idea. That is likely why the original thread got deep sixed. it was full of ideas of how to do what his wso eventually taught you. I bought his wso's, (worth the money!) but then decided I couldn't leave my present business unmanned to get out belly to belly and sell the ads.
      If you can get out, and talk to merchants, you could probably make this work.
  • You have my vote. That was a quality thread. While I can see how some would see it as self promotion I do have to counter that the thread laid out everything to do. You didn't have to purchase anything.

    It was one of the best threads on this forum I have ever read. Stuff like that was gold and deserved to be made into a sticky.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...onth-hero.html

    Here is the thread if anyone didn't get it bookmarked or subscribed.
  • There is a cached version of the start of the thread on google - Make $5,000/month and be a hero *updated* - hope that helps.

    Mar
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  • I'm keen to get onto this fantastic idea. I'm in the uk and I really think that this is something that could boost local towns as well as make me a bit of money.

    I got some quote for doing a run of 10,000 A4 sized flyers in 300gsm double sided UV laminated at £630
    The cost to have these delivered to 10,000 homes would be £600 using a flyer distribution company,therefore making my total cost of £1230 (approx)
    If I go with the 16 ads, that means the cost price per ad is £76.

    However I'm struggling to think that an ad would sell for $500/£330 to a restaurant etc.. As this is a lot of money for a local business.

    We have a small A5 local publication that is delivered to each household within the area each month and is filled with local businesses advertising their services from 1/12th page ads at £30 per issue, 1/4th page, 1/8th page, 1/2page at £187 to full page. The directory has around 15-20 pages and has become a recognised publication within the community. Typical businesses that advertise are small one man band plumbers, electrician, hairdressers, solicitors, cleaners, oven cleaning, garden services, 1 or 2 take aways. Restaurants do not seem to play much of a part in this publication and 70% of the ads taken are the small 1/12th sized ads at £30, with the larger ads typically being taken up by the solicitors.

    What I am getting at here is that I do not see much being spent over £30-£50 by the local businesses.

    Now I know that the large postcard idea is awesome and and is so 'in your face' that it will get seen, but I'm struggling with the pricing on this.

    I also think that adding value to this can be done by putting on the postcard that these offers can be used on our 'mobile website' so the user always has the coupon ready to use, and also promote the 16 ads on our Facebook fan page (obviously I would need to set one up and get fans first) so the ads are being promoted to local Facebook users keen for a 'deal'

    Would love to hear thoughts, ideas, suggestions on overcoming the above issue pricing issue or if you think that it really has value.
  • Yea, that was a great thread. Someone could have compiled it, edited it, and probably sold it as a cheap WSO or even on Amazon. then again they could have bought Bob's WSO which was also outstanding. Thanks Bob!
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  • Aside from the archived thread for viewing...I would imagine you could restart the thread in the War Room...I don't see it being taken down in there.

    ...yes, one has to have a War Room Membership....but...seriously everyone should have one anyway. ( yes thats right...if you've purchased any WSO before even having a membership in the WarRoom...your doing internet marketing all wrong! )
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    • Great idea Doran, I just posted it. Never thought of that.
    • sometimes people get so involved, they miss the simple things...

      great idea doran. 2 thumbs up
  • Seriously doubt it was a technical issue.

    They can just close a thread when it gets to big. This means people can still read.
  • folks, are you talking about this? (I think it was closed because it became too long)
  • Someone probably mentioned this already but this would work really well for your own business. Think of the response you would get if you had a service business that makes on average 100$ per customer or more. Use up that entire 9x12 card with one business and you will go across A LOT of peoples eyes.

    I would imagine this is cheaper than a tv commercial (i dont know how much they are). The other good point is the card could lay on their kitchen counter for a while, or better, their fridge.

    Im brainstorming on something I could advertise on one of these suckers all for myself.
    (oh the greeeed)lol
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    • If you haven't read the *original* thread...I suggest you do it...because (even though it IS long...it is WORTH it to read and follow along) you will learn/pick up some very valuable tips and tricks. It's even MORE valuable for those who read it as it was being 'born' to go back and re-read it. I guarantee you, it will have your brain jumping out of your skull from so much awesome, freely shared, help and advice!

      Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero.       Quote:
      Originally Posted by hourstoincome
      Well I finally got everything together and I'm ready to hit the pavement on Monday morning. I get the feeling that selling my first campaign is gonna be a challenge but I'm excited as well. If anyone has any tips or extra selling points to help me succedd, please do share. Also would like to hear any success stories that anyone may have. I'll let you all know how Monday turns out for me! Thanks to you all

      BUFFALOBT
      My only bit of advice for you my friend...share don't sell!

      Selling sucks...share your program and how it can help a business.
      Your goal is to find the ones who "get it"...don't waste any time with the ones who don't.

      Have fun and good luck!
      ______________________________
      Re: Make $5000 per month and be a hero.
       05-02-2012, 06:12 PM
      Hello Red!

      All of your points are more than valid- thanks for sharing them.

      The great thing about this model is that there are so many ways to be successful at it...key is to do whatever works best for you.

      To give you some background, I am a "short cut" kind of guy...always have been. Just one of my numerous flaws. I have a weak work ethic, and low motivation to work hard at anything. I call this "working smarter not harder".

      So for me- being able to find 14 advertisers to pay me $450 to advertise in The Neighborhood Saver all using email to find them is priceless! It's very cool.

      Now- I DO end up calling them to "share" our program with them and answer any questions they have, but they all respond to my email first. It's awesome when you find the ones who "get it". Do I want to talk anyone into advertising, or sell something to someone? The answer of course for me at least is NO.

      I have approached this business model with 3 things in mind:

      1)how can I be successful at this doing the LEAST amount of work,
      2)how do I make this as much of a "no brainer" for business owners as possible, and
      3)how can I offer this as an opportunity for others to build a business?

      Other than giving away ads for free, I think I'm pretty darned close on all 3 points.

      OOPS...I almost forgot to answer your questions about the emails- sorry bout that.

      Here we go...BIG SECRET...I email all of the Valpak, Money Mailer, rvsp, Home Mag, etc. advertisers and SHARE our program with them!

      Thanks,

      Bill
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  • Some good stuff in here. I sure wish that updated make 5000 per month hero thread was still around. I feel like I'm missing out on gold and the google cache doesn't have it anymore.
  • @Bob Ross - Your stuff is gold.

    Regards

    Los aka "New Fan Of Bob Ross"
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  • I suspect a conspiracy of the cold callers with nefarious and devious plots to remove the Bob Ross thread.

  • You didn't miss anything - but the google cache was all that I could find at the time and I had hoped it would be better than not having either thread. My only slight concern is that you changed my gender, LOL - :O)

    Mar - also known as Margaret
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  • Because the original thread has been deleted; Bob Ross says that you have to make sure the advertisers aren't competing against each other. He also said that Liqour stores, Pizza restaurants and bakeries have the highest response.

    Does this mean that you only can place 1 ad about these niches? Also, what are other niches that have a positive RIO?

    And what are your experiences with business owners when you're talking about competition? For example, a Chinese restaurant isn't the same as an Italian, but a lot of people will chose for the best coupon instead of the type of restaurant.

    I'd like to hear your thoughts about it .
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    • In my previous experience with a successful coupon book, Restaurant coupons, oil change coupons, and Grocery discounts were all very desirable to the consumers.
  • For those looking for the original thread , here it is.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...th-hero-3.html

    Happy reading!
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    BOB ROSS!!! Where's the damned thread?!?

    Okay, I KNOW I'm not crazy...although some would argue otherwise...but regardless to whether I am or I not...I want to know where the damned updated thread version (that I responded to, I might add...) went! I want to keep up with the "Make $5,000 and be a Hero" thread since the old one, after getting so much attention and responses, got shut down. So, what's new and popping in the world of Direct Mail, jumbo coupon postcards??? Have the post office started getting fired up about businesses finally starting to catch on and use the Every Door Direct campaign? I know Taradel.com is a great company to use for direct mail advertisements!