How To Make $4,800 With Auto Discount Cards

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This is a great money making idea i have done a few times over the past few years and it works really well, as it's a win, win for all parties involved and everyone makes money.

WHAT IS IT ?

A double sided discount card 4x5 in size that offers free and discounted automobile services, such as a free oil change, a free battery charge, 50% off an inspection and so on.

(see a real sample of an auto discount card i sold below)

HOW IT WORKS ?

Contact in person a local neighborhood auto repair service station and offer the owner to help them increase their business at no cost to them. Get the service station owner to agree to honor 20 specific free or discounted services. You only need one auto repair service station to agree to work with you and your in business.

WHY IT WORKS ?

In order for the consumers to take advantage of all the free or discounted services, they have to visit the service station many times and this gives the service the ability to build a relationship with the consumers and keep a good percentage of them as life long customers even after they have used up all of the free or discounted services on their auto discount card.

HOW TO MAKE THEM ?

Using a computer with a basic desktop publishing program such as Print Shop, just copy the design of the example auto discount card shown above or create your own design and then using color card stock print the auto discount cards 4 to a page, then cut them out using a paper cutter. If you don't want to design and print out your own auto discount cards just make a mock-up design of how you want your discount to look or use the example shown above and take it to a local printer and have them design it, print it and cut them out for you.

HOW TO SELL THEM ?

There are a number of ways to sell the auto discount cards. Here are 2 suggested ways to sell them.

OPTION 1:

Sell them door to door yourself or hire sales people on a commission basis. Here is an example script to use:

How are you today? I'm (your name) from (service station name your working with) Do you or a member of your family own a vehicle? (this question will almost guarantee the desired yes answer) Great! (hand them the auto discount card to look at) As you can see there is a free (pick any free service and explain it) all together there are 20 free or discounted vehicle services a total of ( figure out the total amount of savings the auto discount card your selling has and tell the customer this amount) , but today If your interested I can sell it to you for just $10. Would you like to buy one now?

OPTION 2:

Work with a nonprofit organization, church, youth group, etc. that needs to raise funds. Offer to let them sell the auto discount cards at say $10 to consumers and for each auto discount card they sell they get to keep $5. You will need to up a contract outlining all of the details of your agreement. This protects both you and the group your working with should any misunderstanding occur.

PROFIT POTENTIAL:

500 auto discount cards sold at $10 each by yourself grosses $5,000 less estimated expenses of $200 for printing and gas, etc. leaves a net profit of $4,800.

500 auto discount cards sold sold at $10 by a sales person or group grosses $5,000 less 50% or $2,500 is paid to the sales person or group, plus minus $200 for printing leaves a net profit of $2,300 for you.

Good Luck!

Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author meganerd
    The only problem I see with this theory is: are people going to pay to get a discount card? Would a free oil change, a free battery charge, 50% off an inspection justify someone paying $10 for each card? If they have to pay, then it's not a 'free oil change'.
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    • Profile picture of the author somacorellc
      Originally Posted by meganerd View Post

      The only problem I see with this theory is: are people going to pay to get a discount card?
      Seriously?

      Coupons and discount cards are a huge economy/niche. On the small scale (locally) you have those coupon books that you buy for $20 that have been around forever and are used for fundraisers. On the large scale you have places like Sam's Club, Costco, and Direct Buy that charge a membership fee for the ability to buy bulk items for less than retail.
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  • Profile picture of the author lmooney1028
    This is brilliant. I love martins posts in this forum, he really does offer so much value and its simple things people really can do!

    I'm doing a variation of another method he posted about a while back and its working great for me.

    To all of those Warriors who keep wanting to start doing something online but complaining about not having enought money - look at all of Martins threads - if you can't make money from the idea's that he's giving you, then get out of the game!!

    Excellent stuff, martin - i look forward to more and more posts from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      lmooney1028,

      Thanks for your kind words!

      Would you be willing to share some details on which one of my
      money making ideas you are working on and what your twist is
      with it, etc.

      Thanks,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by lmooney1028 View Post

      This is brilliant. I love martins posts in this forum, he really does offer so much value and its simple things people really can do!

      I'm doing a variation of another method he posted about a while back and its working great for me.

      To all of those Warriors who keep wanting to start doing something online but complaining about not having enought money - look at all of Martins threads - if you can't make money from the idea's that he's giving you, then get out of the game!!

      Excellent stuff, martin - i look forward to more and more posts from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      lmooney1028,

      Thanks for your kind words!

      Would you be willing to share some details on which one of my
      money making ideas you are working on and what your twist is
      with it, etc.

      Thanks,

      Martin


      Originally Posted by lmooney1028 View Post

      This is brilliant. I love martins posts in this forum, he really does offer so much value and its simple things people really can do!

      I'm doing a variation of another method he posted about a while back and its working great for me.

      To all of those Warriors who keep wanting to start doing something online but complaining about not having enought money - look at all of Martins threads - if you can't make money from the idea's that he's giving you, then get out of the game!!

      Excellent stuff, martin - i look forward to more and more posts from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      lmooney1028,

      Thanks for your kind words!

      Would you be willing to share some details on which one of my
      money making ideas you are working on and what your twist is
      with it, etc.

      Thanks,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by lmooney1028 View Post

      This is brilliant. I love martins posts in this forum, he really does offer so much value and its simple things people really can do!

      I'm doing a variation of another method he posted about a while back and its working great for me.

      To all of those Warriors who keep wanting to start doing something online but complaining about not having enought money - look at all of Martins threads - if you can't make money from the idea's that he's giving you, then get out of the game!!

      Excellent stuff, martin - i look forward to more and more posts from you.
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      • Profile picture of the author wagsgraphx
        Yes this is a valid promotional tool. When Tires PLus built a new store in our development they came around door to door selling a similar VIP product. The one thing I liked is that it never expired. I think I spent $39, about the price of 1 oil change. For that I received 6 free oil changes. Plus additional discounts off other services. And the VIP card also entitled me to an additional 10% off all services not covered by a coupon on the card. Over the years I have spend about $3,000 there, so yea, they made their money back off the free oil changes.

        I do wish everyones sample images posted here were bigger than postage stamp.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      lmooney1028,

      Thanks for your kind words!

      Would you be willing to share some details on which one of my
      money making ideas you are working on and what your twist is
      with it, etc.

      Thanks,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by lmooney1028 View Post

      This is brilliant. I love martins posts in this forum, he really does offer so much value and its simple things people really can do!

      I'm doing a variation of another method he posted about a while back and its working great for me.

      To all of those Warriors who keep wanting to start doing something online but complaining about not having enought money - look at all of Martins threads - if you can't make money from the idea's that he's giving you, then get out of the game!!

      Excellent stuff, martin - i look forward to more and more posts from you.
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      • Profile picture of the author Justin T Wells
        I really like this idea. In fact, I always enjoy posts from Don, Martin, and Claude, and have been lurking in the forums for years now- signed up just to post on this...

        For those that doubt that people will pay money for coupon cards or books, I'll be another person to say that they do sell well. Around 15 years ago as a teenager I sold the local Indianapolis Zoobook, which is a very thick coupon book sold by a private company that gives a percentage to the local Zoo. I sold them from a mall stand for like 8 bucks an hour plus a small commission and others working for the company sold by telemarketing. To this day, just like many other people, I buy a Zoobook just about every year for $20-25. The beauty of a coupon book with many businesses is that just about anyone can justify the cost of the book.

        Anyway, my first suggestion would be to think of a handful of other niches that might sell well. Clearly we know that auto repair shops and pizza shops work well. Perhaps a "healthy" alternative like a sub shop, a hair salon/barber (perhaps his and hers coupons), and maybe something else. The key is to think of services that everyone needs or wants.

        The reason to select multiple niches is the easiest way to ramp this up and make more per customer is to upsell them into multiple discount offers. Once someone agrees to buy 1 offer for $20, offer to package in a second card for $10 more, then maybe 2 additional ones for $40 total. I suspect nearly no one would change their mind on 1 card if you make this offer, and many may agree to the upsells.

        To take this a bit further, I might ask for their email address as well and start building a list. I might not even offer anything specific, but say that they will receive exclusive discounts if they opt in. Of course, I'd come up with at least 1 initial offer. For other niches that are more specific (smaller target market) I might try to pitch those to the list, especially if I can get them to periodically complete a short survey- maybe bribing them by offering them a discounted card in exchange. There will be many customers who end up spending $100 or more over time this way instead of just being satisfied with a single $20 sale and moving on. Over time, more money might be made from the list than the upfront sales.

        I like this idea so much, that I might get started on it myself. The hardest part is signing up the businesses, which shouldn't be too difficult. Even if you visit 20 or so and suck at sales, at least 1 is bound to say sure why not. After that, the cards will sell themselves. I would think no matter how poor the pitch going door to door, at least 1 per hour would say yes. Walking at a leisurely pace, even for someone like me who is out of shape and a smoker, surely you can knock on at least 20 doors, talk to 5 people, and sell at least one discount card.

        For even more sales, I'd likely setup a simple website to sell them and be sure to print the website on the cards because you can be sure that as people redeem the discounts, other customers will ask where they got the card. If they say "some guy knocked on my door" it ends there, but if there's a website listed, there's incremental sales right there with no special promotion on your part.

        But why stop there? Surely some local blogs and websites would like to make some money from your affiliate program that you will set up. If you live in a big city, chances are that there's a handful of couponing blogs hungry for ways to monetize their traffic. Of course, if you've come this far, you'll want to have some sort of refer-a-friend feature as well. Instead of cash, I'd probably offer something like 1 free discount card for every 2 friends that make a purchase, perhaps with a limit of 1 card per business. People are much more willing to help their friend get a free discount card than thinking they are "doing it for the money."

        Of course, I love the idea of selling in quantities to other businesses to hand out as free gifts, even if discounted all the way down to $5 each in larger quantities. Maybe $100 for 10, or $250 for 50. Insurance agents were mentioned, and there are countless others- apartments, smaller car dealers (buy here pay here), etc. In fact, you could probably sign up a handful of small businesses to sell them for you retail.

        Schools and charities may have been mentioned, and they are always looking for more ideas to raise money. Back in high school, we sold magazines and were consistently one of the top schools for sales. The secret was twofold: many of the parents were affluent (i.e bought many themselves) and the kids won prizes (that were actually good) offered by the fundraising company. If you go this route, be prepared to speak in front of a large group of students to motivate them, and give them a reason to want to sell.

        Now I want to go out and try this.

        I do have a handful of questions for anyone who has done this, and a couple comments just to throw out there.

        1. For discount cards, do you use a plastic card, laminated card stock, or just card stock? Or something else? I'll check out some of the fundraiser websites for more ideas.

        2. Do you suggest the merchant hole punch the uses or some other method?

        Further considerations:

        1. It's probably a good idea to collect and remit sales tax if it pertains to you in your state. Many states have restrictions on paying the sales tax for customers, so if you want to sell at an even price (so you don't have to carry change) you might have to price your cards slightly lower so that the tax adds up to your final selling price, such as $18.69 at a 7% tax, which would be $20 even total. To test pricing, you could print a price of something like $25 on the card itself, then after you have a certain number of sales, test offering it as "a special promotion" at $20. Of course, you would have kept track of percentage conversion to compare the two. I imagine a price that equals one product or service on the card is a compelling offer.

        2. Many cities now have soliciting licenses you have to get if you go door to door. You may have to pay a small tax, have your photo taken, and carry an identification card from the city to produce upon demand. I doubt this would be an issue really, but it's a good idea to check this out and stay on the right side of the law.

        3. You'll likely want to accept all forms of payment. If you have a smartphone, there are countless companies that you can sign up with to accept credit cards- just read the fine print, as some have rather long waiting periods for the funds.
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        • Profile picture of the author BitterBlossom
          I'm sorry to have to do this but Martin I sent you a pm a while ago and you haven't responded. I was hoping I could get your advice.

          Also this idea really is a good one!
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        • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
          Justin, again great ideas and I wish you much success if you do try
          and implement this idea and please keep us posted here with your results.

          To your success,

          Martin

          Originally Posted by Justin T Wells View Post

          I really like this idea. In fact, I always enjoy posts from Don, Martin, and Claude, and have been lurking in the forums for years now- signed up just to post on this...

          For those that doubt that people will pay money for coupon cards or books, I'll be another person to say that they do sell well. Around 15 years ago as a teenager I sold the local Indianapolis Zoobook, which is a very thick coupon book sold by a private company that gives a percentage to the local Zoo. I sold them from a mall stand for like 8 bucks an hour plus a small commission and others working for the company sold by telemarketing. To this day, just like many other people, I buy a Zoobook just about every year for $20-25. The beauty of a coupon book with many businesses is that just about anyone can justify the cost of the book.

          Anyway, my first suggestion would be to think of a handful of other niches that might sell well. Clearly we know that auto repair shops and pizza shops work well. Perhaps a "healthy" alternative like a sub shop, a hair salon/barber (perhaps his and hers coupons), and maybe something else. The key is to think of services that everyone needs or wants.

          The reason to select multiple niches is the easiest way to ramp this up and make more per customer is to upsell them into multiple discount offers. Once someone agrees to buy 1 offer for $20, offer to package in a second card for $10 more, then maybe 2 additional ones for $40 total. I suspect nearly no one would change their mind on 1 card if you make this offer, and many may agree to the upsells.

          To take this a bit further, I might ask for their email address as well and start building a list. I might not even offer anything specific, but say that they will receive exclusive discounts if they opt in. Of course, I'd come up with at least 1 initial offer. For other niches that are more specific (smaller target market) I might try to pitch those to the list, especially if I can get them to periodically complete a short survey- maybe bribing them by offering them a discounted card in exchange. There will be many customers who end up spending $100 or more over time this way instead of just being satisfied with a single $20 sale and moving on. Over time, more money might be made from the list than the upfront sales.

          I like this idea so much, that I might get started on it myself. The hardest part is signing up the businesses, which shouldn't be too difficult. Even if you visit 20 or so and suck at sales, at least 1 is bound to say sure why not. After that, the cards will sell themselves. I would think no matter how poor the pitch going door to door, at least 1 per hour would say yes. Walking at a leisurely pace, even for someone like me who is out of shape and a smoker, surely you can knock on at least 20 doors, talk to 5 people, and sell at least one discount card.

          For even more sales, I'd likely setup a simple website to sell them and be sure to print the website on the cards because you can be sure that as people redeem the discounts, other customers will ask where they got the card. If they say "some guy knocked on my door" it ends there, but if there's a website listed, there's incremental sales right there with no special promotion on your part.

          But why stop there? Surely some local blogs and websites would like to make some money from your affiliate program that you will set up. If you live in a big city, chances are that there's a handful of couponing blogs hungry for ways to monetize their traffic. Of course, if you've come this far, you'll want to have some sort of refer-a-friend feature as well. Instead of cash, I'd probably offer something like 1 free discount card for every 2 friends that make a purchase, perhaps with a limit of 1 card per business. People are much more willing to help their friend get a free discount card than thinking they are "doing it for the money."

          Of course, I love the idea of selling in quantities to other businesses to hand out as free gifts, even if discounted all the way down to $5 each in larger quantities. Maybe $100 for 10, or $250 for 50. Insurance agents were mentioned, and there are countless others- apartments, smaller car dealers (buy here pay here), etc. In fact, you could probably sign up a handful of small businesses to sell them for you retail.

          Schools and charities may have been mentioned, and they are always looking for more ideas to raise money. Back in high school, we sold magazines and were consistently one of the top schools for sales. The secret was twofold: many of the parents were affluent (i.e bought many themselves) and the kids won prizes (that were actually good) offered by the fundraising company. If you go this route, be prepared to speak in front of a large group of students to motivate them, and give them a reason to want to sell.

          Now I want to go out and try this.

          I do have a handful of questions for anyone who has done this, and a couple comments just to throw out there.

          1. For discount cards, do you use a plastic card, laminated card stock, or just card stock? Or something else? I'll check out some of the fundraiser websites for more ideas.

          2. Do you suggest the merchant hole punch the uses or some other method?

          Further considerations:

          1. It's probably a good idea to collect and remit sales tax if it pertains to you in your state. Many states have restrictions on paying the sales tax for customers, so if you want to sell at an even price (so you don't have to carry change) you might have to price your cards slightly lower so that the tax adds up to your final selling price, such as $18.69 at a 7% tax, which would be $20 even total. To test pricing, you could print a price of something like $25 on the card itself, then after you have a certain number of sales, test offering it as "a special promotion" at $20. Of course, you would have kept track of percentage conversion to compare the two. I imagine a price that equals one product or service on the card is a compelling offer.

          2. Many cities now have soliciting licenses you have to get if you go door to door. You may have to pay a small tax, have your photo taken, and carry an identification card from the city to produce upon demand. I doubt this would be an issue really, but it's a good idea to check this out and stay on the right side of the law.

          3. You'll likely want to accept all forms of payment. If you have a smartphone, there are countless companies that you can sign up with to accept credit cards- just read the fine print, as some have rather long waiting periods for the funds.
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  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    Thank you very much for your great post.....

    Therapeutically you are correct that We will be able to earn but surely we also have to lose $5000 when we will have to provide our services for them...

    Little complicated...

    Anyway, I like your theory a lot... thanx for sharing
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    • Profile picture of the author midasman09
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      I'm sorry...every time I see this thread come up it reminds me to bring up a similar program I did waay baack in the "good-ol" days of 2006.

      I got 3 Auto Repair guys to agree to provide 8 FREE Oil Changes over a period of 4 yrs.

      Now....these were NOT businesses that ONLY did Oil Changes (like Jiffy Lube)...these were regular "Auto Repair" shops who also could do "Oil Changes".

      Now...you ask "Why, would an Auto Repair Shop want to provide FREE Oil Changes?" Because Auto Repair Shops specialize, and are in the business to do ....AUTO REPAIR! Like Tune-Ups...Engine and Transmission Repair!

      Thus....when someone brings in their vehicle (Car or truck) for a FREE oil change ($25)....the repair guy can USUALLY find something that needs fixing!

      So....sure....they're NOT collecting $25 BUT....having the possibility of making a few hundred on Repairs.

      I started out at $59 for 8 Oil Changes and wound up selling the "FREE Oil Change Cards" for $20 from 2 repair shops.

      Heck...we STILL made $400 A DAY....selling 20 Cards.

      I've attached the design of the 1st Cards we did.

      Don Alm.....Idea Guy and Salesman from waay back
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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Originally Posted by MartinBuckley View Post


    OPTION 2:

    Work with a nonprofit organization, church, youth group, etc. that needs to raise funds. Offer to let them sell the auto discount cards at say $10 to consumers and for each auto discount card they sell they get to keep $5. You will need to up a contract outlining all of the details of your agreement. This protects both you and the group your working with should any misunderstanding occur.
    A Cincinnati local pizza chain does this. They give a card with 10 or 12 coupons, each good for a third off of price of a single pizza. They give the cards to schools - PTAs - the high school band - school athletic associations - free. The students sell the cards door to door to homes and to businesses for $10 each, and the school (PTA, band, etc.) gets to keep the $10.

    They have been running this promotion for years now. It must work.

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      Don,

      Thanks for sharing the story.

      Working with schools doing fundraisers is always a huge money maker and success for pizza shops, so yes the reason why that pizza shop has been doing it for years is because he is making money by getting all the new and returning customers.

      All the best,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

      A Cincinnati local pizza chain does this. They give a card with 10 or 12 coupons, each good for a third off of price of a single pizza. They give the cards to schools - PTAs - the high school band - school athletic associations - free. The students sell the cards door to door to homes and to businesses for $10 each, and the school (PTA, band, etc.) gets to keep the $10.

      They have been running this promotion for years now. It must work.

      :-Don
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob28x
    Another great idea. I really need to try one of your many methods to make money you have posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    Interesting ideas from both Don and Martin.
    Since I am too lazy to go door to door...
    I did it when I was younger...selling toys, coupon cards, vaccuums, home improvement, etc. And somehow we usually worked until we got a few hundred and then went to the strip club.

    So, I think I would target the people that already have a list of prospects.
    Just to make it easy on me... Wholesale them to a few auto insurance guys
    They can give them away as a part of getting or re-newing a policy.
    I would wholesale them for 10 bucks.
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      vndnbrgj,

      Yes selling any type of discount card to businesses in bulk to use as an incentive gift to get clients in the door is a great way to sell more cards and build up profits faster.

      All the best,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by vndnbrgj View Post

      Interesting ideas from both Don and Martin.
      Since I am too lazy to go door to door...
      I did it when I was younger...selling toys, coupon cards, vaccuums, home improvement, etc. And somehow we usually worked until we got a few hundred and then went to the strip club.

      So, I think I would target the people that already have a list of prospects.
      Just to make it easy on me... Wholesale them to a few auto insurance guys
      They can give them away as a part of getting or re-newing a policy.
      I would wholesale them for 10 bucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    I can't see your image. I tried clicking on it and it just sat there and spun for ever. I tried to load it in another browser tab and I got a picture the size of a stamp which I could not make out anything.

    I can't believe people would actually pay $10 for these things. What is in it for the merchant, and how do you monetize it?
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      timpears,

      Just right click on the image and then click on open in new window and then you should be able to see the image in full size.

      Well, you might not believe it, but people do buy these and I have seen other selling them for as much as $25, so when I did it and sold my auto discount cards for $10, it was an easy sale.

      All the best,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      I can't see your image. I tried clicking on it and it just sat there and spun for ever. I tried to load it in another browser tab and I got a picture the size of a stamp which I could not make out anything.

      I can't believe people would actually pay $10 for these things. What is in it for the merchant, and how do you monetize it?
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  • Profile picture of the author facetofacesales
    These Card are pure genius I tried this a month ago with a 1000 of them and sold close to 500 doing this part time at 20 bucks a pop mine however were 4 free oil changes with a year exp. date.

    Who Doesnt want free oil changes?
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      facetofacesales,

      Thanks for sharing that you have had success selling auto discount cards and that if action is taken it can be done.

      All the best,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by facetofacesales View Post

      These Card are pure genius I tried this a month ago with a 1000 of them and sold close to 500 doing this part time at 20 bucks a pop mine however were 4 free oil changes with a year exp. date.

      Who Doesnt want free oil changes?
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      facetofacesales,

      I was just wonder if you would be willing to share here an image
      of what your free oil change card looked like, so others her can
      see and get a better idea of how to make theirs look, etc.

      All the best,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by facetofacesales View Post

      These Card are pure genius I tried this a month ago with a 1000 of them and sold close to 500 doing this part time at 20 bucks a pop mine however were 4 free oil changes with a year exp. date.

      Who Doesnt want free oil changes?
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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    very nice idea, I've got my motor bike repair station ready and will be opening in just few months from now. I'll use this idea and I will let you know how it works. Pls accept my friend request. =)
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      visimedia,

      Well I wish you much success with your motor bike repair business and if you do implement the discount card idea, please post back here with your results.

      All the best,

      Martin

      Originally Posted by visimedia View Post

      very nice idea, I've got my motor bike repair station ready and will be opening in just few months from now. I'll use this idea and I will let you know how it works. Pls accept my friend request. =)
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  • Profile picture of the author candymai
    Thank you Martin.
    I really love the way you broke down the steps.
    Of course I know it's brief, but it's more than enough to kick my brain to start.
    I'll apply your ideas in my next projects of Amazon aff. Oh yeah, breaking down the steps. Great stuff!
    Thanks again, Martin!
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    I will pitch in as well. Martin, your methods are solid. I love the ideas on your website and am currently implementing one. Thanks for the advice freely given!
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  • I've done this before in the past. I utilized option 2, and it definitly worked, although I did make a couple of changes. I found that sometimes you just need to edit some things to help yourself gain more experience. Great thread Martin, like I said before, I always enjoy going thrugh your posts.
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