SEO pricing for potential Chiropractor client

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Sorry for the long post, but I'm trying to get all the details in.

I was recently contacted by a chiropractor clinic that needed SEO/Google Places. I talked to the marketing person there over the phone to get an idea of what they were doing currently and what was done in the past.

They have 1 main clinic (and new 2nd clinic in nearby city) that has been around for while and their website url is "primary city+part of business name". They also purchased a new domain last year with just their business name (since they wanted to target 2 other nearby cities as well). So right now both domains are up and running and when you go to the 1st url the content is exactly the same as the 2nd (new url) one. But once you click on any of the links in the sidebar (home, contact us, etc.) the url address will redirect to the 2nd url.

As far rankings goes there are on page 1 and at the top for their "primary city + chiropractor" keyword (1st url) and on page 2 and 3 for the two other cities they want to rank for (the 1st url comes up in the rankings for these 2 "city+chiropractor" searches as well). The 2nd url does not seem to be ranking.

The SEO company they hired previously built all the links to the 2nd url for the 3 city + chiropractor keywords since Majestic SEO shows over 1K+ in external links and when I check the 1st url only 10 external links. I also asked the marketing person and they told me all the SEO work was done on the 2nd url. But up to now that 2nd url is not ranking only the 1st url for the 3 main keywords. It seems that the local SEO firm built a ton of blog comments for them that were no follow.

They told the other Company was charging them $180/mo for SEO to optimize their site for "city chiropractor, chiropractor city, etc." When I heard this I thought to myself...WTF. How can people be charging so low for a business and in particular a chiropractor clinic.

They were with that SEO company for 1 year, but they thought they weren't making any more progress and their rankings were dropping and leads were going down (so they parted ways). I asked her what their budget was for this SEO project and the person told me they would like to be in the same price range because it seem to work for them.

Now I'm think is this a project to take on knowing that if I price this even at $500/mo they probably won't go for it? I mean how the heck can we make any profit and put in the time if we charge only $175/mo in particular for a chiropractor clinic. I asked for what a new client is worth to them on average for a year and it was like $600. They are typically getting about 40-50 new patients a month from the internet, conferences, referrals, etc. No exact data on how really come from the internet, but they do come.

So what do you guys think? Is it even worth it to pursue this client or what? And if so what sort of pricing should come in at? They have been conditioned to such a low price that anything a bit higher might turn them off.
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  • Profile picture of the author nextgeneration
    Throw a proposal at them with AT least 2k per month as 45 x 600= 27,000 and 30% of that is $8,100.

    Personally, I usually take a few hours to figure out how to charge people but I only sit down and do a full out proposal if the client is serious. I don't know about how serious your client is so that number may we EXTREMELY high or EXTREMELY low for what is being done.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    Well they dropped them because it WASNT working, its up to you to sell them on how seo has changed and that the cheap Mickey Mouse tactics old company used were short lived. How you are a professional and that if they want solid long term results that you can provide, how you can provide seo services to ANY chiropractor and take over there rankings if you wanted too.

    Hell shock them and tell them 1k per month if they want real results. Honestly I would have told them as soon as they said same as old budget that their is no way thats happening, lets just get that idea out of the way right now.

    Hey Mr Customer the lowest package I could offer you will start at $500 per month, should I even bother putting together the details for you?

    Sell your programs man. Who cares what we think the price should be because if you cant sell it then it doesnt matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      Well they dropped them because it WASNT working, its up to you to sell them on how seo has changed and that the cheap Mickey Mouse tactics old company used were short lived. How you are a professional and that if they want solid long term results that you can provide, how you can provide seo services to ANY chiropractor and take over there rankings if you wanted too.

      Hell shock them and tell them 1k per month if they want real results. Honestly I would have told them as soon as they said same as old budget that their is no way thats happening, lets just get that idea out of the way right now.

      Hey Mr Customer the lowest package I could offer you will start at $500 per month, should I even bother putting together the details for you?

      Sell your programs man. Who cares what we think the price should be because if you cant sell it then it doesnt matter.
      Good points. I guess since I didn't say get the price issue out of the way at first I will just have to followup with them and inform them that such a low price is not going to happen.

      It's just an eye opener for me that some local SEO company would even do it for that price? I mean that doesn't even cover your time and cost. Were they doing it for free or what because my time and knowledge is worth more than $180/mo not to mention when dealing with the chiropractor niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    They could have just outsourced to Fiverr....
    Even if they bought 16 gigs a month its still $100/month to middle man.

    This is something I would walk away from. My pricing would start at $1,000/month.
    Plus $500 for each additional city. I would just say, I don't think we are going to be a good fit.
    Your budget doesn't allow for the proper attention I think it needs. And I would be doing us both a disservice in that price range. I wish you luck.

    Well, actually I would sell them a different service that would put cash in their pocket to pay me for the SEO, but... that is a topic for a different day.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by vndnbrgj View Post

      They could have just outsourced to Fiverr....
      Even if they bought 16 gigs a month its still $100/month to middle man.

      This is something I would walk away from. My pricing would start at $1,000/month.
      Plus $500 for each additional city. I would just say, I don't think we are going to be a good fit.
      Your budget doesn't allow for the proper attention I think it needs. And I would be doing us both a disservice in that price range. I wish you luck.

      Well, actually I would sell them a different service that would put cash in their pocket to pay me for the SEO, but... that is a topic for a different day.
      Ya I don't think this will work at all since they are conditioned to this cheap service that they got in the first place and trying to convince them that it will take more than just $180/mo might be a waste of time and effort.

      I will follow your advice and let them know in my email to them. I'll see what they say, but I don't think this would be a client I'd want to deal with for such a low amount. I've never gone below $500/mo for any type of business and even for when I've done SEO for my friends it's been more than $180/mo.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trev81
    I have seen some people give quotes based on the number of hours worked on a certain project. This is not only more fair for a new customer but allows you to build trust and to foster a good working relationship. Some people seem to charge for traffic which I find a bit ridiculous considering you havent got them any traffic at all yet.

    Just my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    @Trev81-Sorry I could not disagree with you more. This is not web design. So you are saying 20 new customers brought in for a cleaner given her $2000 new revenue and 20 new customers for a car dealer bringing them $30k new revenue and you charge the same. Average them out because you spend the same amount of time. So you charge them both what $500 month. I would charge $350 for the cleaner but the car dealer would be more like $3500-$5k. This is fair to the client as long as you deliver on what you say you will.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by kcom View Post

      @Trev81-Sorry I could not disagree with you more. This is not web design. So you are saying 20 new customers brought in for a cleaner given her $2000 new revenue and 20 new customers for a car dealer bringing them $30k new revenue and you charge the same. Average them out because you spend the same amount of time. So you charge them both what $500 month. I would charge $350 for the cleaner but the car dealer would be more like $3500-$5k. This is fair to the client as long as you deliver on what you say you will.
      Totally agree with you. Pricing needs to be established based on what sort of new leads/customers you bring to the business and how much does each new customer is worth to the business. If you bring in 2 new customers to say a pool builder or someone that does home renovation which for them each customer might be worth 5K of profit (after all costs) then I would not be charging them like $200-$300/month..more like $1K-$2K a month. I think it boils down to what sort of new leads you can generate for them and what sort of value each new lead is to the business. After figuring those two things you can come up with a figure.

      But like in my case in which the person said on average 1 new customer might be worth $600 a year and they get like 45-50 new customers a month that is a total value of $360,000 annually.

      But lets say I was able to get them 5 new customers a month from my SEO work...that would mean 60 new clients in 1 year...which equates to $36K ($600 x 60) in revenue in 1 year...which I'm not about to do for $180/mo. Even if did it at $1K a month they should be happy since that is only $12K spent and $36K that came in...so net of $24K...a whopping 200% ROI.
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    • Profile picture of the author Trev81
      Originally Posted by kcom View Post

      @Trev81-Sorry I could not disagree with you more. This is not web design. So you are saying 20 new customers brought in for a cleaner given her $2000 new revenue and 20 new customers for a car dealer bringing them $30k new revenue and you charge the same. Average them out because you spend the same amount of time. So you charge them both what $500 month. I would charge $350 for the cleaner but the car dealer would be more like $3500-$5k. This is fair to the client as long as you deliver on what you say you will.
      I'll agree to disagree. I don't think people should be charged more for the same service just because they earn more money from their business. Its should be on a more evaluated basis, not just lead worth or new customer worth. Thats all I'll say.
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      • Profile picture of the author blade007
        Tell them if they want results, it's going to cost 4 figures minimum. Otherwise just move on to the next one.
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by Trev81 View Post

        I don't think people should be charged more for the same service just because they earn more money from their business.
        Who else would agree with this? I'm in the camp of you should charge a percentage of what new business you bring to that particular client. It just doesn't make sense to do a one charge for all niches.

        If a florist for instance is generating an extra $1K in revenue due to your effort and you are charging them say $350/m for SEO (Almost 300% ROI for them) then based on your rationale I should be charging a pool builder that say gets an extra 2 new customers a month worth $5K each in profit the same amount of $350/mo? I just don't see it like that all. In the pool builder case it would be more like $2K-$3K/mo since again there ROI would be like 300% to begin with.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        This is why I charged based on competing pages. There are too many other factors going on that can either get the searcher to use the company and become a new customer or, turn the user off and not become a new customer.

        I base my pricing based on the amount of work it will take so it doesn't matter if it's a local pizza shop or the personal injury attorney next door to the pizza shop.

        If both will require the same amount of work to rank then they both get charged the same.

        I don't have to worry then if they do or don't get new clients because that's a totally different segment of services anyways and shouldn't even be mentioned as seo.




        Originally Posted by Trev81 View Post

        I'll agree to disagree. I don't think people should be charged more for the same service just because they earn more money from their business. Its should be on a more evaluated basis, not just lead worth or new customer worth. Thats all I'll say.
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        • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
          Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

          This is why I charged based on competing pages. There are too many other factors going on that can either get the searcher to use the company and become a new customer or, turn the user off and not become a new customer.

          I base my pricing based on the amount of work it will take so it doesn't matter if it's a local pizza shop or the personal injury attorney next door to the pizza shop.

          If both will require the same amount of work to rank then they both get charged the same.

          I don't have to worry then if they do or don't get new clients because that's a totally different segment of services anyways and shouldn't even be mentioned as seo.
          So do you just show the client that your SEO work has increased organic traffic to their site and rankings have improved? Is that how you base your success and how you report to your client whether your work is working or not?

          So if they were only getting like 30 unique visitors a month (and ranking on page 2) before your SEO work and now are getting 100 visitors a month (ranking in top 3) is that pretty much your justification for your SEO work is doing it's job? No talk or concern if out of those 100 visitors how many actually called the business or filled a contact form and how from those actually turned into paying customers?

          I'm still not quite understanding your take on how you go about charging say pizza place and lawyer the same fee based on how long it takes to rank? When you say rank are you referring to any spot on first page, top 3 or #1 spot for their main keyword(s)?

          Can you give a practical example of how this really works on how long it takes and how you structure your fees?
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    A Chiropractor for $180 month, is ridiculous, why even bother? To justify that price, you can spend what 2 hrs a month and no outsourcing, when do they want to rank, 2014? I would not even go down to $500, tell them to pay at least a $1k or you go to their competition and help them.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by kcom View Post

      A Chiropractor for $180 month, is ridiculous, why even bother? To justify that price, you can spend what 2 hrs a month and no outsourcing, when do they want to rank, 2014? I would not even go down to $500, tell them to pay at least a $1k or you go to their competition and help them.
      That was pretty much my game plan before I had talked to them over the phone today. That I would go in with $1k/mo (with a $1500 initial fee that includes setup and 1st month fees) for 5-6 keywords for one city (city chiropractor, chiropractor city, chiropractor in city, city chiropractors, chiropractors city, chiropractors in city) and from those get more long tail traffic as well.

      By the way I looked at Manta.com for their revenue and it shows about $82K a year. So I don't know if that figure warrants a $1K/mo SEO service or if that figure is even correct.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    Anyone else have any other input on this situation? I'd like to get as much feedback from others who have more expertise in this area.
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  • Profile picture of the author luke1213
    They are just trying to low ball you. Stick to your guns. You are the expert, not them. That should be evident enough already by them hiring an seo company that can't get them to page #1.

    Stand firm on your price. Like kcom said, If they don't want it, I am sure another chiropractor would be more than happy to be on page #1 of google.

    As for their revenue in Manta? Use that as leverage for you. "you only generated an average of 82k for a chiropractor and if you consider the standard, that is pretty low. with my service you have the ability to make well over your average revenue"
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    There are a few pricing models to consider when quoting for SEO.

    Firstly lets define SEO by what its not.

    Its not conversions.
    Its not how many new clients the business gets.
    Its not even how much traffic a site gets because you can't sit at peoples computers and make them click on the search result for your client on the search engines.

    Pricing your services for SEO based on any of the above is a sure fire way to loose a client after a few months because you've incorrectly defined what SEO is for the client. Failing to do this has set you up for failure and unfulfilled expectations from your client as well.

    So you are either selling conversions and in that case you need to deploy a whole different set of methods in order to optimize the traffic the site actually gets. This isn't SEO in the faintest.

    So how do we price our services for SEO?

    You price it based on competing pages because that's what you are going up against when you want to take over the rankings.

    Once you have a client on top you can't guarantee "ANYTHING" unless you are doing conversion testing and landing page optimization, which is a completely different service altogether.

    Using the, "what is a new customer worth to you model" does not fit into the SEO model, it fits in the landing page/lead generation/conversion model so please don't use that methodology to try and sell SEO because you will end up with an unhappy client in the end.

    Small businesses frequently equate top rankings = more customers and while there is some element of truth to this, it's a misnomer.

    They need to be educated that top ranking usually means more traffic to their site but does not necessarily mean new customers, which goes back to landing page design and optimization for conversions.

    So once again price your SEO based on competing pages, not just some arbitrary number that's quoted to you here on the forums and you'll end up with profit and ranking results for your clients.

    Hope this helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author luke1213
    Rus, could you go into a little more detail about the competing pages? Not to hijack this thread but I am meeting with a client tomorrow who is looking to rank nationally for a system he sells while competing with some major players.

    Are you referring to the competition that sits on page #1?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
      You look at competing pages for the keyword phrase you want to rank for. Search the phrase in quotes on Google, the number of results will give you how many pages are competing online for that term.

      Obviously the higher the number the more work AND time it will take so you need to price accordingly.

      Originally Posted by luke1213 View Post

      Rus, could you go into a little more detail about the competing pages? Not to hijack this thread but I am meeting with a client tomorrow who is looking to rank nationally for a system he sells while competing with some major players.

      Are you referring to the competition that sits on page #1?
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      • Profile picture of the author luke1213
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        You look at competing pages for the keyword phrase you want to rank for. Search the phrase in quotes on Google, the number of results will give you how many pages are competing online for that term.

        Obviously the higher the number the more work AND time it will take so you need to price accordingly.
        That's basically how I approach clients when it comes to seo. What the competition is. But I do take into consideration the CPC and the average cost of each sale.
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        • Profile picture of the author luke1213
          Originally Posted by luke1213 View Post

          That's basically how I approach clients when it comes to seo. What the competition is. But I do take into consideration the CPC and the average cost of each sale.
          That's what I said in an earlier post. Competition, CPC, customer to client value is all part of implementing a price strategy.

          You can choose your own formula. IF you know what the competition is, how many searches per month, the average cost of a client/customer, and an approximate click thru rate, then base your price on that.

          If your clients niche gets 1500 exact searches per month using 5 keywords. The top 3 positions in google have a an average click thru rate of 35%. Potentially 525 visitors. Lets assume that your clients converts 5% of those clicks. 27 new clients with an average cost of $300. That's $8100 increased revenue. Calculate a percentage of his monthly revenue as a starting point for you price. Now factor in the competition factor. What is your cost/time associated with getting him to that magical position? I can't tell you what it would cost you to get him in that position to rank for 5 keywords. You will have to determine a cost based on the competition since you will know what you will devote to those keywords in the forms of time and money. Are you doing your own seo? Are you outsourcing it? Things of that nature.

          Hope I cleared some of this up for you. I think I'm a little confused now...LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
            Originally Posted by luke1213 View Post

            That's what I said in an earlier post. Competition, CPC, customer to client value is all part of implementing a price strategy.

            You can choose your own formula. IF you know what the competition is, how many searches per month, the average cost of a client/customer, and an approximate click thru rate, then base your price on that.

            If your clients niche gets 1500 exact searches per month using 5 keywords. The top 3 positions in google have a an average click thru rate of 35%. Potentially 525 visitors. Lets assume that your clients converts 5% of those clicks. 27 new clients with an average cost of $300. That's $8100 increased revenue. Calculate a percentage of his monthly revenue as a starting point for you price. Now factor in the competition factor. What is your cost/time associated with getting him to that magical position? I can't tell you what it would cost you to get him in that position to rank for 5 keywords. You will have to determine a cost based on the competition since you will know what you will devote to those keywords in the forms of time and money. Are you doing your own seo? Are you outsourcing it? Things of that nature.

            Hope I cleared some of this up for you. I think I'm a little confused now...LOL
            Thanks for that info. That's pretty much how I'm planning to structure my fees from now on. I think anywhere in the 15-20% of the new revenue generated per month would be a good figure to do for monthly SEO fees.

            What do you for niches where the main keyword i.e. "niche city" or "city niche" only has like 150-200 exact searches a month? And after getting like 4 more keywords the total only adds up to less than 500 a month. So using your formula this business could be getting 8 new paying clients a month which would generate around $2400 in revenue. So even if the revenue is low I should just stick with same percentage of 15-20% for SEO fees so in this case it would be around $450/mo. If they brought in $10K in revenue then possibly $2K/mo and so forth.

            By the way what sort of fees are doing with your current clients? Are you following your same method and formula for pricing them?
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      • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
        Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

        You look at competing pages for the keyword phrase you want to rank for. Search the phrase in quotes on Google, the number of results will give you how many pages are competing online for that term.

        Obviously the higher the number the more work AND time it will take so you need to price accordingly.
        But isn't using the keyword in quotes a false number because you are only concerned with the sites on the 1st page as far as competition goes. It wouldn't matter if there were 100 sites or 1 million sites that show up in quotes, but if the competition is tough on the 1st page then that is your true test.

        So exactly how do you go about pricing SEO services just on competition? I'm not quite sure how do you come up with a figure from just observing the competition for that keyword(s) for that niche and city? Can you give more details and possible use my chiropractor example say if I was doing it in a city like New York vs a small town with under 100K population?
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        • Profile picture of the author luke1213
          Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

          But isn't using the keyword in quotes a false number because you are only concerned with the sites on the 1st page as far as competition goes. It wouldn't matter if there were 100 sites or 1 million sites that show up in quotes, but if the competition is tough on the 1st page then that is your true test.

          So exactly how do you go about pricing SEO services just on competition? I'm not quite sure how do you come up with a figure from just observing the competition for that keyword(s) for that niche and city? Can you give more details and possible use my chiropractor example say if I was doing it in a city like New York vs a small town with under 100K population?
          For me, I use goolgle keyword tool to get an exact match number of how many people are competing for the busienss+city keyword. I also use a program that lets me know how competitive it would be to rank for the top position in google for that keyword.
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          • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
            Originally Posted by luke1213 View Post

            For me, I use goolgle keyword tool to get an exact match number of how many people are competing for the busienss+city keyword. I also use a program that lets me know how competitive it would be to rank for the top position in google for that keyword.
            I have tools to use as well (as well as manual inspection) to judge how competitive it will be to rank on page 1 for say "chiropractor + city" and get monthly exact match numbers. But once you have that data (say 500 exact searches a month for one main keyword "chiropractor city" and you analysis the top 10 competition to be "low" (based on low, mid, or high) what then?

            How would you determine your SEO fee from those pieces of data? Say you want to optimize their site for 5 keywords which combined total 1000 exact searches a month using data from Google Keyword Tool and competition is low. At this point wouldn't it make sense to know exactly what is the value of new client is to the business to come up with a figure. Otherwise you would be charging similar fees just based on searches and competition instead of what industry/niche you are dealing with? If say a chiropractor and florist both had like 500 searches a month and low competition those two would be getting totally different fee structures from me.

            If you can go over an example based on the numbers I gave above with chiropractor niche and say 500 exact searches a month (1 keyword) and low competition that would be helpful. What would you charge if competition is mid or high?
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  • Profile picture of the author kcom
    @Trev81- Your are entitled to your opinion and that is fine, but let me give you another example away from SEO. Toyota makes both Toyota and Lexus vehicles. Take your Lexus to Toyota for an oil change and it will cost $50, the technicians are trained the same, they deliver the same oil and filter but that same oil change @ Lexus is $120. So what is different? Preferred customer treatment. Do you not think that a $2500 SEO client is going to get more attention then the $500. Does that mean you ignore the lower client, not at all. A car dealer that will spend easy $10k on Television, radio or newspaper ads, will think that a $500 SEO cannot be of much value to them. Under valuing your services will also lose you customers. That car dealer sees value in paying more, not less, so why charge the same rate.
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    • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
      Originally Posted by kcom View Post

      @Trev81- Your are entitled to your opinion and that is fine, but let me give you another example away from SEO. Toyota makes both Toyota and Lexus vehicles. Take your Lexus to Toyota for an oil change and it will cost $50, the technicians are trained the same, they deliver the same oil and filter but that same oil change @ Lexus is $120. So what is different? Preferred customer treatment. Do you not think that a $2500 SEO client is going to get more attention then the $500. Does that mean you ignore the lower client, not at all. A car dealer that will spend easy $10k on Television, radio or newspaper ads, will think that a $500 SEO cannot be of much value to them. Under valuing your services will also lose you customers. That car dealer sees value in paying more, not less, so why charge the same rate.
      Totally agree with you here.

      I don't understand this whole concept of charging the same price for every niche based on how tough the competition is on page 1 (and not actually trying to get leads and conversions for the customer with your SEO effort) and not take into consideration the value of what 1 new customer/client is worth to them. It just doesn't seem right to me to just show a business that "hey we got you to page 1 and increased your organic traffic and that our SEO efforts are working" and not really care about actual new customers that business gets.

      I don't know maybe I'm missing something here, but the whole purpose of doing SEO for local business is to increase traffic, which in turn brings in more leads/inquiries and a certain of those leads hopefully will get converted to new customers. That's the way I see this when helping local clients with their online marketing (be it SEO, social media, rep management, etc.).

      It doesn't matter which of the various methods you use because bottom line is to get the business new leads from the different marketing strategies that you use.
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      • Profile picture of the author sadneck
        Hi mrtrance,
        What that company was charging them seems very low (less than $200 for seo on some decent competition keywords is ridiculous.) One thing you have on your side is that you know they are talking to you, which means they are looking elsewhere, (perhaps because they are not happy with their current results.)

        You can tell them that they get what they pay for, (as your opening line.) And then I would hit them with the at least $500 a month charge.

        For throwing a simple video together for them and ranking that video across a keyword cloud, I would charge them at least $200 a month to start.

        Perhaps you can throw this in for them as a bonus?

        Cheers!
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      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
        I've only addressed that there is a difference between SEO and Conversions. They are two completely different elements.

        I base the fulfillment of the contract by showing improvement in rankings. That's what I give to the client because that's what seo does.

        Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

        So do you just show the client that your SEO work has increased organic traffic to their site and rankings have improved? Is that how you base your success and how you report to your client whether your work is working or not?

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        Traffic is a benefit of higher rankings which is a result of SEO work.

        So if they were only getting like 30 unique visitors a month (and ranking on page 2) before your SEO work and now are getting 100 visitors a month (ranking in top 3) is that pretty much your justification for your SEO work is doing it's job?

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        Of course their isn't "no" talk or "concern" regarding conversions. I just don't mix the two and I'm being overly frank about it on this thread so people don't fall into the trap I did back when I started by thinking that top rankings automatically meant conversions because they don't in any way shape or form.

        No talk or concern if out of those 100 visitors how many actually called the business or filled a contact form and how from those actually turned into paying customers?

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        The niche doesn't matter! The amount of work it takes is what matters, my rates are highly profitable and that's that. Pizza Place, Attorneys Office, Dentist, its all the same to me because no matter what I get paid a fee based on the "work" required. So if a Pizza place requires less work then an attorneys office I may end up billing the pizza place less money but I've also done less work so it's all relative.

        I'm still not quite understanding your take on how you go about charging say pizza place and lawyer the same fee based on how long it takes to rank? When you say rank are you referring to any spot on first page, top 3 or #1 spot for their main keyword(s)?

        Can you give a practical example of how this really works on how long it takes and how you structure your fees?
        Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

        Totally agree with you here.

        I don't understand this whole concept of charging the same price for every niche based on how tough the competition is on page 1 (and not actually trying to get leads and conversions for the customer with your SEO effort) and not take into consideration the value of what 1 new customer/client is worth to them. It just doesn't seem right to me to just show a business that "hey we got you to page 1 and increased your organic traffic and that our SEO efforts are working" and not really care about actual new customers that business gets.

        I don't know maybe I'm missing something here, but the whole purpose of doing SEO for local business is to increase traffic, which in turn brings in more leads/inquiries and a certain of those leads hopefully will get converted to new customers. That's the way I see this when helping local clients with their online marketing (be it SEO, social media, rep management, etc.).

        It doesn't matter which of the various methods you use because bottom line is to get the business new leads from the different marketing strategies that you use.
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  • Profile picture of the author TBone
    I agree start high and show them the benefits of why you... Maybe say something like we usually charge $795 for this type of situation but Im willing to bring you in a trial period for $595 then after 6 months and as long as I can show you that you are benefiting from our services our prices go back up to $795. Of course you will provide better service and results so no need to worry.. Unless you dont of course!
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