Just wondering - why isn't there more people doing email marketing?

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So, basically I am wondering why email marketing set-up/management services isn't talked about much here...which leads me to believe that it's a service not many offer :confused:

I'm just wondering why... Insight?
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  • Profile picture of the author maxrezn
    Originally Posted by iInvent View Post

    So, basically I am wondering why email marketing set-up/management services isn't talked about much here...which leads me to believe that it's a service not many offer :confused:

    I'm just wondering why... Insight?
    It's not glamorous. It's boring and has one of the lowest response rates statistically of all other forms of marketing.

    BUT, if you can send out 50,000 e-mails over one month with a great message...you should get a decent amount of sales from it. Getting those e-mails and having a reliable way of sending them out isn't a walk in the park.
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  • Profile picture of the author bumkeun
    Originally Posted by iInvent View Post

    So, basically I am wondering why email marketing set-up/management services isn't talked about much here...which leads me to believe that it's a service not many offer :confused:

    I'm just wondering why... Insight?
    Email marketing is dying..try looking into a SMS marketing service. Better response rate than email.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Gold
      Originally Posted by maxrezn View Post

      It's not glamorous. It's boring and has one of the lowest response rates statistically of all other forms of marketing.
      Originally Posted by bumkeun View Post

      Email marketing is dying..try looking into a SMS marketing service. Better response rate than email.
      It's unfortunate that there's quite a bit of misinformation on this thread regarding email marketing. It's been my bread and butter for several years.

      With the popularity of smartphones, email open rates have increased 80% over the last six months, over taking desktops. The ubiquitous email is still king and crushes social media with conversion rates which are seven times greater. Sure it's not glamorous but it's a lot more quantifiable than social media or seo.

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  • Profile picture of the author spaniard26
    Every time I speak with a business owners about the emails they always tell me that everyday his inbox is full and they just look for the contacts that they know (suppliers, family, friends, etc) and the rest goes directly to the bin.

    Also a fellow warrior here said that as a business owner he perceives an email sender as a "cheap entrepreneur" and he has a lot more respect for those who got the balls and spend the time cold calling him.

    Regards.
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  • Profile picture of the author superpayouts
    People are tired of email marketing to be honest, and the ones that receive the emails are even more fed up of being fed offer after offer 100X per day. I used to do email marketing back in 2004 before the CAN-SPAM and it was a goldmine (literally). You could just blast 1,000,000 random emails that you could collect or even generate and it didn't matter what you sent them.

    You didn't need a return address, or opt out link to be compliant and all that stuff. And back then, the competition wasn't very fierce either. On an average slow day I could easily make 500$-1000$ in sales by creating a email message, landing page with an offer and clicking a button.

    Now there's the CAN-SPAM, and your lists must be so squeaky clean that for some companies that offer this type of service, they will shut you down for having next to nothing in spam complains. Not to mention also, that they need to be opt-in in the first place to be able to mail them legitimately. The people that do email marketing are usually those that have their own lists and use auto responders to send out broadcasts to their opt-in lists.
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    • Profile picture of the author iInvent
      Originally Posted by superpayouts View Post

      People are tired of email marketing to be honest, and the ones that receive the emails are even more fed up of being fed offer after offer 100X per day. I used to do email marketing back in 2004 before the CAN-SPAM and it was a goldmine (literally). You could just blast 1,000,000 random emails that you could collect or even generate and it didn't matter what you sent them.

      You didn't need a return address, or opt out link to be compliant and all that stuff. And back then, the competition wasn't very fierce either. On an average slow day I could easily make 500$-1000$ in sales by creating a email message, landing page with an offer and clicking a button.

      Now there's the CAN-SPAM, and your lists must be so squeaky clean that for some companies that offer this type of service, they will shut you down for having next to nothing in spam complains. Not to mention also, that they need to be opt-in in the first place to be able to mail them legitimately. The people that do email marketing are usually those that have their own lists and use auto responders to send out broadcasts to their opt-in lists.
      I can see that... Makes sense.
      I'm aiming more for customer retention/loyalty programs (newsletters, deals, birthdays, etc) - building a relationship with current customers.

      As we all know the Pareto principle, 80% of your business will come from 20% of your customers.
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      • Profile picture of the author bumkeun
        Originally Posted by iInvent View Post

        I can see that... Makes sense.
        I'm aiming more for customer retention/loyalty programs (newsletters, deals, birthdays, etc) - building a relationship with current customers.

        As we all know the Pareto principle, 80% of your business will come from 20% of your customers.
        The Pareto principle is absolutely true! Look into SMS marketing if you are going to do something with customer retention. It works great!
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    I would say because it takes more effort and a longer learning curve to properly learn how to use emails to build relationships, and to drive traffic into a business and get them to buy from that business.

    I also think that deep down a lot of internet marketers who have turned to offline consulting realize that they will not be able to use email marketing in the same ways they have used it online.

    If you think about some of the emails you get when you subscribe to some IM lists, the things that piss you off and cause you to not want to buy from that person or want to unsubscribe from their list, the reason they continue to do those things is because the internet gives them a form of anonymity, a type of protection. Sure you might know their name but most often you can't just go to their place of business and ask for your money back or make a complaint. The internet acts as a kind of buffer between you and them.

    But with local businesses, that anonymity and buffer are gone, and I think some marketers deep down in the recesses of their minds know this. So they can't use email marketing in the same way.

    Not only that but I think the standards are higher. I can't see a local business people saying yes to a "let's blast your client list every single day with a new offer and see what sticks marketing strategy"

    Also, most IMers are a part of the quick results now with as little effort as possible school of marketing. Whereas if you go into a business and they don't have a list, then you have to setup a list building strategy for them and then it will take time to build up that customer list, and might take time to see good revenue levels from that list.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Setting up email marketing is still one of the most valuable things you can do for any business.

    It is a follow up system that will increase the value of the leads you bring into a business.

    If you increase the value of the leads you generate by making more sales after they enter the sales funnel that means a business can invest more money in generating each lead.


    Over time some marketers get excited about new shiny ideas which is what they're likely to talk about most on a forum like this.

    Then there's that quite natural tendency to start thinking things like "SMS and mobile marketing is getting a great response these days I'll do that instead."

    But this should never be an either/or proposition.

    You do every form of marketing that makes a profit over cost.

    Also with businesses that rely on preeducating prospects or
    long term follow up where you share a LOT of information with
    prospects or clients email marketing is way superior to other
    marketing methods.

    Ultimately if you're making a business more profits than they're
    paying you in fees then you're giving them a highly valuable
    service and it doesn't matter so much what service it is
    you're providing.

    But if I was going to choose one service that would be highly
    valuable to the types of businesses that have high transaction
    values and need help with their marketing email marketing
    would usually come out number one.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    "what you talkin about Willis?"
    I always include a email, lead gen strategy for clients. It's a must....most aren't ready for a email sales funnel and drip campaigns though.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by bumkeun View Post

      Email marketing is dying..try looking into a SMS marketing service. Better response rate than email.
      SMS will be hit hard by regulations within 12 months in the US, harder than email. Email marketing is very well alive. It just depends on how you use it.

      Originally Posted by iInvent View Post

      I can see that... Makes sense.
      I'm aiming more for customer retention/loyalty programs (newsletters, deals, birthdays, etc) - building a relationship with current customers.

      As we all know the Pareto principle, 80% of your business will come from 20% of your customers.
      Web.com, hostgator, bluehost, godaddy, yellowbook, yellow pages, service magic, mcdonalds, hardees, ATT, budweiser, coke, warrior forum, pandora, freshbooks, Sprint, Verizon, Charter communications, comcast, US Cellular, all professional sports teams, Nike, Reebok, Canon, Apple, Bulova, Rolex, Polo, Dominos, Pizza Hut, Apple Bees, are just a few examples of the Pareto principle not being true.

      Obviously loyalty is a big issue and something you SHOULD want! Email marketing is used by almost all those companies, and they don't have a problem with loyality either.

      Email marketing when used to an opt in list is extremely good. Using it as a prospecting and lead gen strategy provides lower response rates, since it is completely cold anyway, but can be effective if done right.

      The reason people don't use it the RIGHT way, is because they don't know how, and usually give up the first or 2nd time their domain gets blacklisted.
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  • Profile picture of the author JerrickYeoh
    Because email marketing seem to be basic need for every business and everyone doing it , so they looking for more new methods and opportunities to get lead rather than only email marketing.

    Email Marketing currently face lot of barriers from government and spam . Lot of countries do not allow them to sell or buy email list which is illegal, and high tech mail box now come with advanced spam filter which spam keywords, high storage file usually get filter to spam mail or junk mail . It might not effective in this century .
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by JerrickYeoh View Post

      Email Marketing currently face lot of barriers from government and spam . Lot of countries do not allow them to sell or buy email list which is illegal, and high tech mail box now come with advanced spam filter which spam keywords, high storage file usually get filter to spam mail or junk mail . It might not effective in this century .

      I think it's important to point out that the most effective use of email
      is usually as a way of capturing the contact details of prospects and
      customers who are coming into a business already and as a way of
      following up with prospects and customers who visit the website
      of the business.

      There are NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER in following up with people
      using email if you use a double optin system.

      It's entirely legal and very effective at turning prospects into paying
      customers and at getting existing customers to buy repeatedly.

      Email marketing is highly effective and it's powerful nature...if anything...
      has increased over the last decade because now nearly everyone has
      an email address that they check daily.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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      • Profile picture of the author iInvent
        Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

        I think it's important to point out that the most effective use of email
        is usually as a way of capturing the contact details of prospects and
        customers who are coming into a business already and as a way of
        following up with prospects and customers who visit the website
        of the business.

        There are NO PROBLEMS WHATSOEVER in following up with people
        using email if you use a double optin system.

        It's entirely legal and very effective at turning prospects into paying
        customers and at getting existing customers to buy repeatedly.

        Email marketing is highly effective and it's powerful nature...if anything...
        has increased over the last decade because now nearly everyone has
        an email address that they check daily.

        Kindest regards,
        Andrew Cavanagh
        Exactly what I intend to do.
        I have no intention to blast 10,000 unknown people with emails. And I don't feel my clients would want that either.
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