Revenue sharing with contractor/handyman?

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If you ever go on Craigslist and go to the services section you will see tons of handyman/contractor services looking for work. Most of these guys are relatively small time operations but are capable of doing all kinds of work on people's homes. So I had an idea, to utilize some of my marketing expertise and get people who need work done to call me. I would then pass their info onto one of these handyman/contractor services and take a percentage of whatever the total cost of the job is.

I would not be asking them for any money upfront, only an agreed upon percentage, so it shouldn't be too hard to find someone willing to work with you. At this point it comes down to wether or not you generate the leads, rather than trying to convince someone to pay you upfront for something you may or may not be able to for them...

Obviously there are other factors like contracts, making sure they pay you, making sure they are an insured company, etc... Just looking for some feedback or any experience anyone has had with type of business.

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I found a partner! You live in NJ?

    And let me ask you a serious question, where did you hear about this idea?
    Because its a carbon copy of what I am doing right now, and there is A LOT of money in this market.

    I don't think people really understand how CL works, and what the competition actually looks like. 95% of these contractors have NO IDEA how to market on CL, and thats why its easy for a marketer to swipe right in and steal up most of their work.

    If you really study how some of these contractors post, they do not test timing, they don't split test ads, they don't target right (often they target OTHER contractors), they don't post enough, and most importantly they don't know a thing about copywriting.

    If you want to get something serious going on buddy shoot me a pm! I've been looking for a NJ partner for a while because what I'm doing now can be scaled up a lot, and even on a small scale its profitable.

    You can ask questions here if you want, but make sure you pm me at some point. If I can find someone to help me with what I'm doing right now, we can make a killing on CL and thats no bs.
    I've wrote out the math in other threads, but theres a lot more money involved than most people understand. ESPECIALLY when you target high contract jobs like these.

    -Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author epark732
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      I found a partner! You live in NJ?

      And let me ask you a serious question, where did you hear about this idea?
      Because its a carbon copy of what I am doing right now, and there is A LOT of money in this market.

      I don't think people really understand how CL works, and what the competition actually looks like. 95% of these contractors have NO IDEA how to market on CL, and thats why its easy for a marketer to swipe right in and steal up most of their work.

      If you really study how some of these contractors post, they do not test timing, they don't split test ads, they don't target right (often they target OTHER contractors), they don't post enough, and most importantly they don't know a thing about copywriting.

      If you want to get something serious going on buddy shoot me a pm! I've been looking for a NJ partner for a while because what I'm doing now can be scaled up a lot, and even on a small scale its profitable.

      You can ask questions here if you want, but make sure you pm me at some point. If I can find someone to help me with what I'm doing right now, we can make a killing on CL and thats no bs.
      I've wrote out the math in other threads, but theres a lot more money involved than most people understand. ESPECIALLY when you target high contract jobs like these.

      -Rob
      Wow! It's great that you are doing this and having success with it. I just came up with it on my own...I have a zillion different ideas on any given day. Yes, I live in central new jersey but am able to access the entire state where I am located. There are lots of people, lots of contractors, and lots of money here. Good place to be, hah.

      Funny thing is I hadn't even thought of posting on Craigslist to get people to call me...I was going to use a few different methods but now I am very intrigued. And yes I'm sure there is a lot of money to be made here.Will send you a pm to learn more about how you do what you do and possibly working together.

      Thanks
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    Some of you guys are giving so many GOLDEN NUGGETS with these posts....and I thank you so much for all of the wealth of info.
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  • Profile picture of the author kylemarvin
    Originally Posted by epark732 View Post

    If you ever go on Craigslist and go to the services section you will see tons of handyman/contractor services looking for work. Most of these guys are relatively small time operations but are capable of doing all kinds of work on people's homes. So I had an idea, to utilize some of my marketing expertise and get people who need work done to call me. I would then pass their info onto one of these handyman/contractor services and take a percentage of whatever the total cost of the job is.

    I would not be asking them for any money upfront, only an agreed upon percentage, so it shouldn't be too hard to find someone willing to work with you. At this point it comes down to wether or not you generate the leads, rather than trying to convince someone to pay you upfront for something you may or may not be able to for them...

    Obviously there are other factors like contracts, making sure they pay you, making sure they are an insured company, etc... Just looking for some feedback or any experience anyone has had with type of business.

    Thanks
    What you have here is the lead gen model. You sell leads to the contractors (either a percentage, or a flat fee of say $60). This model has been very overused in the dental, lawyer and plastic surgery niches, but underused in construction I'm moving to this model myself, which why your thread caught my eye.

    Service Magic sells leads for $50-80 for contractors, and they do over $2 BILLION a year in sales... They are strictly an online construction lead gen company. There's tons of money in this.

    Peter Humleker is the guy who's turned me on to the whole concept, he has a WSO that you should check out called Construction Lead Gen (I'm not an affiliate, and have no monetary benefit for posting this link just to be clear)

    Best of luck to you!
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    • Profile picture of the author epark732
      Originally Posted by kylemarvin View Post

      What you have here is the lead gen model. You sell leads to the contractors (either a percentage, or a flat fee of say $60). This model has been very overused in the dental, lawyer and plastic surgery niches, but underused in construction I'm moving to this model myself, which why your thread caught my eye.

      Service Magic sells leads for $50-80 for contractors, and they do over $2 BILLION a year in sales... They are strictly an online construction lead gen company. There's tons of money in this.

      Peter Humleker is the guy who's turned me on to the whole concept, he has a WSO that you should check out called Construction Lead Gen (I'm not an affiliate, and have no monetary benefit for posting this link just to be clear)

      Best of luck to you!
      Hi,

      Thanks for your thoughts...I'm no stranger to the lead gen model. I have done site rentals, pay per call, etc....with these models there is quite a bit of convincing that needs to be done, usually at least.

      What jumped out at me is how many contractors and handymen are advertising on Craigslist, and do many of the ads say something like "no job too big or small." they are hungry for work.

      Im not perdonslly interested in selling leads, I'd rather get a percentage of the work that is performed. And like I mentioned, I was thinking of working with only a few guys, not just anyone and everyone. Its almost like becoming the personal marketing department for a few trusted and reliable contractors.

      Thanks again,

      Eric
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      • Profile picture of the author kylemarvin
        Originally Posted by epark732 View Post

        Hi,

        Thanks for your thoughts...I'm no stranger to the lead gen model. I have done site rentals, pay per call, etc....with these models there is quite a bit of convincing that needs to be done, usually at least.

        What jumped out at me is how many contractors and handymen are advertising on Craigslist, and do many of the ads say something like "no job too big or small." they are hungry for work.

        Im not perdonslly interested in selling leads, I'd rather get a percentage of the work that is performed. And like I mentioned, I was thinking of working with only a few guys, not just anyone and everyone. Its almost like becoming the personal marketing department for a few trusted and reliable contractors.

        Thanks again,

        Eric
        Oh I see what you thought I meant, but let me clarify. You're still selling the lead, but for a percentage of the work, rather than a flat fee. In doing this, you're NOT the contractor, and therefore not liable. That being said, iamnameless is 100% right, only use licensed contractors with a good reputation and make them sign an agreement with you that your lawyer looks over, so they know you're not working as the contractor, but they are, and you're just bringing them the work for a percentage.

        Not sure why that WSO is gone, but nevertheless, the info included is still out there, and possible to learn. It's basically traditional lead gen but rather than selling at a flat fee, you're making a commission.

        Here's an example of how it would work:
        • You get an agreement with a concrete contractor paying you 15% of all work you bring him.
        • You build a site that is a call to action on concrete (local) (you own the site).
        • The site has a phone number, which is owned by you, and forwards to your concrete guy.
        • The calls are recorded for your documentation (to track your commission)
        • You SEO rank the site, or advertise (get traffic)
        • Call comes in, concrete guy answers, agrees to come out to bid.
        • Caller needs foundation for house poured. Bid is at $42,000.
        • Contractor's sales person closes deal, you get $6,300.
        If you have issues with the contractor closing sales, or not performing, you can FIRE them, and get a new one. All you have to change is which phone number your number forwards to. You have complete control.



        I guess you can call it something other than lead gen but that's neither here nor there. You're basically an independent sales rep, using your SEO skills to get the highest return for effort. Rather than charging the guy $1000 a month, you get 20 hits to the site, and one closes, you make $6k+. He's happy, you're happy. Nuff said.
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    • Profile picture of the author imageworx
      I went and checked out that WSO thread, but it's closed. I believe it appears to be because of some possible legal issue with providing leads to contractors... weird

      Originally Posted by kylemarvin View Post

      What you have here is the lead gen model. You sell leads to the contractors (either a percentage, or a flat fee of say $60). This model has been very overused in the dental, lawyer and plastic surgery niches, but underused in construction I'm moving to this model myself, which why your thread caught my eye.

      Service Magic sells leads for $50-80 for contractors, and they do over $2 BILLION a year in sales... They are strictly an online construction lead gen company. There's tons of money in this.

      Peter Humleker is the guy who's turned me on to the whole concept, he has a WSO that you should check out called Construction Lead Gen (I'm not an affiliate, and have no monetary benefit for posting this link just to be clear)

      Best of luck to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author epark732
    Originally Posted by Nathan Robinson View Post

    Have done this before, won't do it again. Actually started a thread on it before and was advised not to do it lol should have listened. Too much of a headache.

    Ask for the money upfront. Unless you are really desperate for clients I guess
    Yeah, I can see the potential pitfalls of doing this. Just curious, did you get leads and then just throw them at anyone who wanted them?

    I was thinking of getting a few contractors that I felt comfortable with, meeting them in person, getting their story etc...basically not working with anyone who I felt was sketchy.

    If you wouldn't mind can you just elaborate a little more on what your experience was like?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author mrozlat
    good luck with it guys... revenue sharing is definitely the way to go!
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      You realize you're contradicting yourself right?

      You say this, but then you say service magic does over $2 billion in sales. So you obviously know there is a huge market for contracting leads.

      The problem is, you are favoring google over a free site like CL. You probably think facebook is better than CL too. Thing is, CL is a thousand times easier to use. There is no "formula", no ads to get approved, no upsells, no bs. A lot more people than you think love craigslist.

      Newsprint as a whole has lost 15% of their business thanks to CL. It could be a lot higher now for all I know.

      The main point I'm trying to make is Craigslist gets a TON of traffic. It is super easy to post ads on, and most people give up because they don't know what they're doing.

      Its really simple as that. If you failed at CL, thats not their fault. I see so many people trash this site and they have no idea what CL is really about.

      I get around 20-25 home improvement leads a week, on a small scale. FOR FREE. Then collect 10% commission on sold jobs. And here is another thing about service magic, their leads are DISPICABLE.

      They aren't exclusive, they aren't qualified, their oversold garbage imo. Lots of contractors know this too. So when I come in with an exclusive/qualified CL lead, with the estimate already set up, trust me when I say businesses are interested.

      Maybe you were just selling the wrong thing. I don't know. Certain things don't do well on CL, thats why you test and find out what DOES to well.

      Not to sound rude, I'm just a diehard fan of CL.

      -Red
      You're treading dangerous ground Red.... especially if you're advertising certain industries to collect leads, city and state government are starting to hit up craigslist to bust unlicensed "businesses" or individuals advertising certain work. Service magic is able to because they require proof of licenses and city permits of the areas they do work.

      I have a client that has pulled in 300k last year through service magic... Granted, I have tons of other clients that have basically broke even with them, so its hit or miss.
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      • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
        Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

        You're treading dangerous ground Red.... especially if you're advertising certain industries to collect leads, city and state government are starting to hit up craigslist to bust unlicensed "businesses" or individuals advertising certain work. Service magic is able to because they require proof of licenses and city permits of the areas they do work.

        I have a client that has pulled in 300k last year through service magic... Granted, I have tons of other clients that have basically broke even with them, so its hit or miss.
        Thanks but I'm a bit unclear what you're saying.

        You're just telling me to watch out for unlicensed businesses right? As in not advertising for them?

        I was confused about the "certain work" part. If you were just reiterating about unlicensed businesses, then I understand. If you are talking about something else, I don't get it.

        Also, if I promote a licensed business, and they decide not to pull a permit, I don't see what that has to do with me. Businesses only have to be licensed & insured, if they don't pull permits they get fined, not me. Thats a contract between the business and the town. Not the business, advertiser, and town.

        If I am wrong please let me know. Thank you.

        -Red
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        • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
          Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

          Thanks but I'm a bit unclear what you're saying.

          You're just telling me to watch out for unlicensed businesses right? As in not advertising for them?

          I was confused about the "certain work" part. If you were just reiterating about unlicensed businesses, then I understand. If you are talking about something else, I don't get it.

          Also, if I promote a licensed business, and they decide not to pull a permit, I don't see what that has to do with me. Businesses only have to be licensed & insured, if they don't pull permits they get fined, not me. Thats a contract between the business and the town. Not the business, advertiser, and town.

          If I am wrong please let me know. Thank you.

          -Red
          This is what he probably means:
          In many states, you can't advertise certain type of business/service, if you're not
          licensed by the state. In other words, you can't engage in any type of work, bidding
          or selling a job, unless you work under someone's license. To be sure, check your
          local laws.


          Thomas
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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

          Thanks but I'm a bit unclear what you're saying.

          You're just telling me to watch out for unlicensed businesses right? As in not advertising for them?

          I was confused about the "certain work" part. If you were just reiterating about unlicensed businesses, then I understand. If you are talking about something else, I don't get it.

          Also, if I promote a licensed business, and they decide not to pull a permit, I don't see what that has to do with me. Businesses only have to be licensed & insured, if they don't pull permits they get fined, not me. Thats a contract between the business and the town. Not the business, advertiser, and town.

          If I am wrong please let me know. Thank you.

          -Red


          For example, you can not resell leads to a plumber that is not licensed or have proper permits. The fine is $10,000 in most states. That is why servicemagic is the top dog when providing leads because they verify state registration, license, and city permits.

          Perhaps I misunderstood you, but when you were talking about profit sharing and you going to the companies with the leads, it's actually illegal.

          People getting busted happens all the time... seriously... ALL the time. I got stuck with a fine in 5 cities, in 5 different states, but luckily only had to pay one of them. So, that's why I'm saying you're treading dangerous ground.

          Now... lets address your next statement saying that's between the city or state and the business. Wrong... the FTC and other government agencies crack down on AFFILIATES of certain products. That actually started in 2009. Failing to protect PPI is another issue altogether with lead generation that nobody ever talks about on here because they don't know any better.

          All I'm sayin... be careful. I've done things that are dodgy, breaking TOS, and other things but that's something I don't want to be involved in. There's a right way and wrong way of doing it, and most of the time, people don't know the laws involved.

          Another example is how SEO companies can be liable. Same with an endorser or someone marketing a certain thing. The law is scary when it comes to marketing but I bet 99.9% of people on here have no clue, since their marketing careers started on a message board. (not a shot at you, I promise, lol... just a general statement.. I actually like you red lol).
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          • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post



            For example, you can not resell leads to a plumber that is not licensed or have proper permits. The fine is $10,000 in most states. That is why servicemagic is the top dog when providing leads because they verify state registration, license, and city permits.

            Perhaps I misunderstood you, but when you were talking about profit sharing and you going to the companies with the leads, it's actually illegal.

            People getting busted happens all the time... seriously... ALL the time. I got stuck with a fine in 5 cities, in 5 different states, but luckily only had to pay one of them. So, that's why I'm saying you're treading dangerous ground.

            Now... lets address your next statement saying that's between the city or state and the business. Wrong... the FTC and other government agencies crack down on AFFILIATES of certain products. That actually started in 2009. Failing to protect PPI is another issue altogether with lead generation that nobody ever talks about on here because they don't know any better.

            All I'm sayin... be careful. I've done things that are dodgy, breaking TOS, and other things but that's something I don't want to be involved in. There's a right way and wrong way of doing it, and most of the time, people don't know the laws involved.

            Another example is how SEO companies can be liable. Same with an endorser or someone marketing a certain thing. The law is scary when it comes to marketing but I bet 99.9% of people on here have no clue, since their marketing careers started on a message board. (not a shot at you, I promise, lol... just a general statement.. I actually like you red lol).
            You are awesome man the reason why this bothers me so much is I am not working 100% by myself. First off, my dad has been in construction his whole life. He is like 64 now, knows I'm doing this, and never mentioned a word (probably because he's retired and this happened recently I'm thinking).

            Moreso, my brother, has been in home improvement for 9 years, he's introduced me to a lot of business owners who I work with now. Neither him OR any of these guys mentioned ANYthing to me about this.

            I'm really begining to assume that they just don't know. But this was a huge suprise to read so thank you! My cousin is a judge (use to be a prosecutor) so I'm going to reach out to him asap. I want to see if he knows anything about this.

            Thanks again - Red
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          • Profile picture of the author rushindo
            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post


            Perhaps I misunderstood you, but when you were talking about profit sharing and you going to the companies with the leads, it's actually illegal.

            People getting busted happens all the time... seriously... ALL the time. I got stuck with a fine in 5 cities, in 5 different states, but luckily only had to pay one of them.
            What did you get busted for? Taking the leads to the companies or the profit sharing?

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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    For some reason I mistook your post for someone else, my bad man!

    Sometimes I do that when I'm in a rush.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxrezn
    Certain CL sections are gold mines that people are just scraping the surface of. Especially Skilled Trade...where it's blue collar guys..against us. We know copy, sales, and we can use a call to action. I feel bad for anyone competing against my ad campaign on CL.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    Iamnameless is right. I bought a washer and dryer and the owner said the State of Tennessee hit him up to start paying his sales taxes.
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  • Profile picture of the author AussieT
    Interesting idea presented in this thread. Sound like we just have to check the local laws before implementing.

    Does the danger only exist if you revenue share or also if you sell the leads? What about site rental then?
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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    I agree with what Nameless is saying.... 100%
    Make sure your business is legit
    Make sure the client is legit
    Check ALL laws before doing anything. Federal, State, Local

    Some laws require that you put your license number in everything.
    So you can't just advertise for a service and then sell the leads to the highest bidder.
    You have to have your clients license number in the advertising.
    You need the client first, get their license number, then advertise.
    You are liable, since you are acting ON BEHALF OF them.

    In some cases, require your business to be listed as a policy holder on the E&O insurance.
    There is a spot in the lower left hand side for an additional insured, usually costs $25 if anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author EnzoBlaque
    This is similar to Adrian Browning's brokering method. Instead of selling them the leads at $80 - $90, why not use your marketing skills to find these contractors high paying jobs and then take a percentage of the total fee.

    Depending on the size of the jobs that you find, you can probably scrape in a large chunk of change.
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  • Profile picture of the author SirThomas
    Out of curiosity, I checked a "skilled trades" section in Seattle area and found it to be 12 pages long... :-) Years ago, only the adult section on CL would get that long (not that I would ever used it.. lol).
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    Iamnameless, sirthomas and others are correctt on this. Major fines liabilities etc. Are waiting for You. Just hit up your states licensing board they are happy to speak with you. Talk with the state r local Home builders association they can help you as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author rugman
    Service Magic charges for leads even if they are dead - buddy of mine uses them for carpet cleaning and 1/2 the time he gets "I have no idea what you are talking about" from the leads!
    I throw some work to a handyman and he always gives me %10 of the job. They are word of mouth leads though.
    I gotta think you could call yourself a marketing consultant that gets paid on a performance basis?
    Redshifted - I am in NY just over the NJ border - hit me up if you need help. I do lots of work in NJ.
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    • Profile picture of the author IMguy123
      Originally Posted by rugman View Post

      Service Magic charges for leads even if they are dead - buddy of mine uses them for carpet cleaning and 1/2 the time he gets "I have no idea what you are talking about" from the leads!
      I throw some work to a handyman and he always gives me %10 of the job. They are word of mouth leads though.
      I gotta think you could call yourself a marketing consultant that gets paid on a performance basis?
      Redshifted - I am in NY just over the NJ border - hit me up if you need help. I do lots of work in NJ.
      Does anyone know exactly how to find out the legalities of doing this in a particular state?
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      • Profile picture of the author lplummer
        I can't give advice about legalities in the United States, as I'm English, living in Spain. But, I do have a content site about Spain, which gets fairly good SE traffic, and have an agreement with an independent financial advisor. Basically, I get 10% of any commission he receives from investments resulting from the leads I pass on to him. A couple of weeks ago, I received just over 1,200 euros from him for a lead I gave him quite some time back now - which I was thrilled with!

        I have to say that these payouts do not happen that often, and 300-500 euros tends to be more the norm. But, they make a very welcome addition to my income!

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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I'm going to offer another reason to not do this.

    Most handyman work cheap. It is the only way they get business. Thus they will have little to no money to pay you even if you get a percentage of sales.

    Let's say I see your ad. I hire your guy for the day for $100 bucks and he gives you $20. I don't see how it is worth your time and effort.

    Now you add in the legal question and it's a no brainer. It's not worth the effort.

    Now if a licensed company wants to pay you up front go for it. But none of this revenue share stuff. You guys need to realise a lot of these companies you want to revenue share with make way less than a lot of us do. And the people and companies that make more can pay us a fair amount in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author edman78
      I'm an electrician and in my state of PA there isn't license requirements in many areas of the state same with many other trades. License requirements are regulated by individual townships. We do have a state contractor registration to protect homeowners from shady contractors. Funny where is the registration to protect contractors from shady "customers" that dont pay?! anyway....

      If you are worried about the legal issues look up the license requirements for the states you are targeting...don't go by what another marketer thinks.

      Also many "handyman" or other tradesmen are in fact not what they claim to be. Since Craigslist is free lots of guys post on there just to get beer money. Lots of guys who changed out a light fixture claim they are electricians.

      If you are going to generate leads for contractors stick to the specialized trades like electricians, HVAC, plumbing, and carpenters.

      Like I said before Craigslist targets cheap people and these "contractors" that post there work for nothing.

      As a contractor myself I get calls from companies almost daily about getting me more clients. I am a member of many top contractor forums on the internet and have been for years and the general consensus is that lead generation companies do not work. I get the bulk of my business through referrals and repeat customers.

      The only company that is used a lot and highly recommended to contractors is Contractor Marketing - Contractors Websites - SEO - Contractor Directory - Footbridge Media but I haven't used them myself.

      If you target specialized trades like electricians that's where the money is. My average service call is about $350 and have home rewire jobs in 15k-30k new commercial jobs in the 6 figures. The average ticket for a handyman might be around $100.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    Most of upstate ny doesn't require a license either to do most trades. Some cities will require one (like Buffalo, and areas down toward NYC), but for the most part it's like the wild west here.
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      • Profile picture of the author kylemarvin
        Originally Posted by edman78 View Post

        You are also basically doing what a GC (general contractor) does. He hires and qualifies his subcontractors based on reputation, license, insurance, bonding etc..

        If a subcontractor does bad work then it comes back to the GC with the customer saying "you hired this guy what's up?!"

        Be real careful on your end getting complaints that the contractor you set them up with did poor work, showed up late, never finished the job etc... Also what if they can't get in contact with the contractor for some reason I guarantee they bug you.

        That's where I can see some liability issues. I know you say you qualify your contractors first but you never know shops fold up daily in this economy.
        I see the fear here, but if you structure it how I mention, you won't be like the GC. The end user is hiring the contractor, you're just shimmying yourself in the middle and getting paid for connecting the 2. Your name is not on the contract between the contractor and customer. Your agreement is a commission with the contractor.

        For sure, get a reputable contractor that has been around for a long time if possible, licensed bonded and insured. Double check everything thru your lawyer. Have the contractor release you from liability and also add you to their insurance policy as a certificate holder.
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            Originally Posted by edman78 View Post

            Finding reputable contractors that have been around for a long time usually don't need any more leads/work. The real good contractors have a long backlog of people willing to wait.
            I completely disagree and know from experience that's not true. Good businesses expand when more work comes in. (ie. Hire new people, sub out extra work) People don't become successful by turning work away.
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                Originally Posted by edman78 View Post

                Lots of construction companies turn down work all the time as do I when I am booked. I have been booked for 3 months straight at times. If your company doesn't have the manpower to handle the extra work you have to turn it down. You can't just hire extra people to keep up with the extra demand that doesn't come in consistently.

                When you hire extra people you have to buy more equipment, more trucks, more insurance, provide more training and it also comes with more liability and stress. Lots of guys do not want to be major companies they are satisfied with their current work load and not looking to expand because of the major headaches that brings.

                The construction business is not like online stuff where a lot of it can be outsourced it's a lot of hard work.
                We'll just have to respectfully disagree. I worked as an in house marketing manager with a contractor 10 years ago, and times when extra unexpected work came in, we subcontracted it out. We got it done.

                Of course any smart business person wouldn't hire new staff and buy new equipment if it was one or two jobs you couldn't handle, but if they are getting consistent new leads, they will grow, that's how businesses grow.

                It's unfortunate you turn work away, but that's your choice. More for me
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            Originally Posted by edman78 View Post

            Finding reputable contractors that have been around for a long time usually don't need any more leads/work. The real good contractors have a long backlog of people willing to wait.
            I disagree witht his as well.
            I will be working with a residential contractor that meets the criteria above, has done over $1 million this summer on three residential jobs, and he will take all the work I throw at him.
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          Little late on this one, but wanted to add something here (I'm a former Servicemagic employee). If you are listed as a certificate holder, you get copied on the paperwork but are not insured. A certificate holder just get notified (allegedly) if the insurance is cancelled. This is usually not a cost for you or the contractor.

          If you want the really big protection as an additional insured, that does cost the contractor additional payments to his insurance co. Just FYI.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    So true, the big money companies need an infinite amount of leads. There's tons of great tradesman out there who turn work away but those are the guys working their butts off for middle class pay because they're limited to their own personal labor.

    Look at the top 500 remodeling companies who do $2 million to $300 million and ask any one of them if they don't need leads any more.
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  • Profile picture of the author bjallen
    Hi all,

    This thread caught my eye because I am also doing some lead gen for local contractors. I had been doing SEO on sites that I had built for this purpose, but now I am exploring generating leads using CL. I was going to try and do the posting myself, but it seems complicated and time consuming, so now I am considering outsourcing it to a CL specialist.

    Can any of you make any recommendations? Do you do your own posting, or do you outsource it?

    Thanks for the great thread!
    BJ
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    /\ Doing it yourself is not that complicated or time consuming. Well it is, but its not the posting so much that is time consuming. Its learning the process the right way. How everything works. There is software out there that will login to your CL accounts, and auto renew your ads while your away from your computer. So once everything is setup, there is not much left to do.

    However, using CL the right way on a large scale, involves a lot of blackhat. Which is why you rarely see technical discussions about it on here. You need the right proxies, the right proxy source (I only know of 1 proxy providers who's proxies actually work on CL - does't mean they're the only one but it took me some research) a technique for verifying accounts, how to set up the ads, how to automate the posting, etc etc.

    Or alternatively, you can pay someone who has a copy of CladG. Which is what I do now.

    But make them prove their system first. Make sure the ads get through on a smaller scale before making any larger investments.

    Make sure your ads have great headlines, and find the best time of day to post using image ad tracking (like imgur). As far as where to go for this type of stuff, WF isn't the best place. But there are tons of discussions about this on BHW. You can clearly see what types of proxies aren't working, where CL posters are getting ones that work, how they're registering accounts, what tools they use to automate the posting, etc etc.

    But to explain it all on here would not only break a lot of rules, but it would take a lot of time to explain how its all done. My #1 suggestion would be to start researching on BHW. Experiment with a few different footprints and you'll find tons of recent/related threads to see how people are doing this.

    Good luck - Red

    ps - Here's a tip. If you can merely find a proxy provider selling proxies that work on CL, and you see people consistently buying those proxies to use for CL, leaving feedback that they work (they typically won't sell these proxies to scrapebox users or other seosoftware, otherwise the proxies get killed fast and it ruins it for everyone), all you have to do is start pm'm those people and asking questions.
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  • Profile picture of the author star007
    I say that if you have an idea and you want to know whether or not it works....Try it! If you run into obstacles along the way, you might figure out a better way to work around them than others have done in the past. Don't let the failures of others stop you. Every situation is different...we learn by doing. Good luck.
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