Getting sales on Craiglist [Replying to ads]

12 years ago

Yes,

Stop replying to peoples ads and start writing ads that will get people to reply to you.

I have never tried messaging people individually because it would take forever, and I'd be dealing with folks who weren't qualified properly.

The simple way to get sales off CL is to learn copywriting the "right way". I see too many guys posting "quality" ads on CL but the truth is they are usually terrible. They beg for work, sell on their heals, and don't even bother qualifying people. They also have no idea how to inject personality into their ads. You need a certain "champion mindset" when you write your ads. A bit of cockiness, indifference, take away selling, humor and honesty can go a LONG WAY.

There are a ton of people like you who could use help with this which is why I'm working on a CL guide & later a WSO. I've been at a bachelors party the last 3 days but I am back and will finish up this guide soon. It will show people how to get their first sale on Craigslist.

Then the WSO will be much more in depth. Instead of showing you ads that work it will actually show you how to write ads that work. Which is usually the main problem I see with people. Guys don't know what a responsive ad looks like because they usually don't split test.

To be perfectly honest with you, web design has got to be the EASIEST service to get leads for on CL. Just due to the amount of people looking for that type of work. So if you're posting ads and not getting responses, all that means is your competitors are posting better ads. Trust me on this. You might not be posting at the right times either which can help a lot.

Keep an eye out because once I recover from this horrible hangover I'll be back working on my guide. I'm on a mission to show people how to do this the proper way you just need to be patient! I am a slow worker, and like to do things right the first time around.

Anyway you'll see me around the next couple of days just keep an eye open.

-Red

ps (this should have been part of the post as long as it is). I have NEVER offered any type of promo or coupon on CL & suggest you stay away from that stuff. If you can't get responses w/out those types of offers, you're definitely not getting them WITH those offers (thats just my opinion I've always stayed away from promos & coupons on CL). Its like a guy who buys a drink for a girl to get her to sleep with him. The only guys this works for are guys who would have got the girl either way. So I prefer putting myself at a disadvantage because it forces me to learn selling the proper way. If that makes sense.

Another problem I tend to see is guys assume everyone who goes on CL is cheap. So you know what they do? They OVERtarget these exact types of people. They focus on nothing but price which is a horrible way to qualify prospects (and that much worse to represent your business like this). It winds up sending all the wrong vibes. In the meantime try acting like a bit of a snob when you write your ads. Just try it out for now and see what happens. Untill I can help more later. Target people with MONEY, focus on QUALITY, focus on being BRUTALLY HONEST. Do a lot of take away selling, do NOT act desperate, and watch what happens. Tell people straight out:

"If you are looking for a cheap web designer you need to go find someone else immediately. I do not do cheap work because cheap websites do not get your phone ringing. On the off chance that your phone does ring, it is that much more likely to be some cheap ass looking for cheap work that they found through your cheap website. Do it right the first time, or don't do it at all. Its really not rocket science."

Thats generally the mindset you need to get across to people. Be bold and act more like a person than a business. You don't care if they work with you, but you're still giving them solid advice that will stick with them for a long time. Its these types of people who have been hyper obsessed with price their whole lives, and have likely suffered because of it. Hit on those emotional buttons. Know your audience, and it will pay off.

pss. Story telling can be another HIGHLY effective way to get leads off CL. If you focus on all the problems business owners have most likely gone through, then write a story based on that, it can create a MASSIVE response. Even if the story is a blatant lie, its still a story. It only has to hit on the right buttons, and you'll get more calls than you know what to do with.

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bryson

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Yes,

Stop replying to peoples ads and start writing ads that will get people to reply to you.

I have never tried messaging people individually because it would take forever, and I'd be dealing with folks who weren't qualified properly.

The simple way to get sales off CL is to learn copywriting the "right way". I see too many guys posting "quality" ads on CL but the truth is they are usually terrible. They beg for work, sell on their heals, and don't even bother qualifying people. They also have no idea how to inject personality into their ads. You need a certain "champion mindset" when you write your ads. A bit of cockiness, indifference, take away selling, humor and honesty can go a LONG WAY.

There are a ton of people like you who could use help with this which is why I'm working on a CL guide & later a WSO. I've been at a bachelors party the last 3 days but I am back and will finish up this guide soon. It will show people how to get their first sale on Craigslist.

Then the WSO will be much more in depth. Instead of showing you ads that work it will actually show you how to write ads that work. Which is usually the main problem I see with people. Guys don't know what a responsive ad looks like because they usually don't split test.

To be perfectly honest with you, web design has got to be the EASIEST service to get leads for on CL. Just due to the amount of people looking for that type of work. So if you're posting ads and not getting responses, all that means is your competitors are posting better ads. Trust me on this. You might not be posting at the right times either which can help a lot.

Keep an eye out because once I recover from this horrible hangover I'll be back working on my guide. I'm on a mission to show people how to do this the proper way you just need to be patient! I am a slow worker, and like to do things right the first time around.

Anyway you'll see me around the next couple of days just keep an eye open.

-Red

ps (this should have been part of the post as long as it is). I have NEVER offered any type of promo or coupon on CL & suggest you stay away from that stuff. If you can't get responses w/out those types of offers, you're definitely not getting them WITH those offers (thats just my opinion I've always stayed away from promos & coupons on CL). Its like a guy who buys a drink for a girl to get her to sleep with him. The only guys this works for are guys who would have got the girl either way. So I prefer putting myself at a disadvantage because it forces me to learn selling the proper way. If that makes sense.

Another problem I tend to see is guys assume everyone who goes on CL is cheap. So you know what they do? They OVERtarget these exact types of people. They focus on nothing but price which is a horrible way to qualify prospects (and that much worse to represent your business like this). It winds up sending all the wrong vibes. In the meantime try acting like a bit of a snob when you write your ads. Just try it out for now and see what happens. Untill I can help more later. Target people with MONEY, focus on QUALITY, focus on being BRUTALLY HONEST. Do a lot of take away selling, do NOT act desperate, and watch what happens. Tell people straight out:

"If you are looking for a cheap web designer you need to go find someone else immediately. I do not do cheap work because cheap websites do not get your phone ringing. On the off chance that your phone does ring, it is that much more likely to be some cheap ass looking for cheap work that they found through your cheap website. Do it right the first time, or don't do it at all. Its really not rocket science."

Thats generally the mindset you need to get across to people. Be bold and act more like a person than a business. You don't care if they work with you, but you're still giving them solid advice that will stick with them for a long time. Its these types of people who have been hyper obsessed with price their whole lives, and have likely suffered because of it. Hit on those emotional buttons. Know your audience, and it will pay off.

pss. Story telling can be another HIGHLY effective way to get leads off CL. If you focus on all the problems business owners have most likely gone through, then write a story based on that, it can create a MASSIVE response. Even if the story is a blatant lie, its still a story. It only has to hit on the right buttons, and you'll get more calls than you know what to do with.

While I agree with Red, I have to add that I get clients by responding to ads as well. To do this you also have to have well written copy that will get the poster to request more information from you. You don't go for the sale on the first response as that is what most people do. Your goal is to start a dialogue with the prospect.

It took a bit of testing, but once I figured out a couple trigger lines I went from zero response to about 30 to 40 percent response.

It all comes down to standing out from the crowd. The same principles apply to posting to an ad or responding to one.

Yes, it will take more time to respond compared to posting but if you have a smart phone and an email templete ready to go this s something you can do during the day in those time gaps. I can easily respond to 5 to 10 ads on any given day.

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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

There are a ton of people like you who could use help with this which is why I'm working on a CL guide & later a WSO. I've been at a bachelors party the last 3 days but I am back and will finish up this guide soon. It will show people how to get their first sale on Craigslist.

Then the WSO will be much more in depth. Instead of showing you ads that work it will actually show you how to write ads that work. Which is usually the main problem I see with people. Guys don't know what a responsive ad looks like because they usually don't split test.

Any update on when the guide will be finished and a time frame on when your WSO would be available?

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justmerob

12 years ago

I've done offline for a while now and just started to do some web design/development online using CL.

I haven't posted a thing myself, but replied to a few and generally I don't pass them to my site at all. I offer my services and tell them to email me or phone me if they have questions and thank them for their time.

Professional, helpful and that's about it. Not one of them have asked to see my site or portfolio and both are local to me and I haven't even met them in person yet.

Just shows ya, it can be done

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edman78 12 years ago

Craigslist is mostly people wanting things free or next to free. There is a reason why a business would search a free classifieds site for web design...because they are cheap! They can easily google web design companies but want it cheap. Overall that is the experience from Craigslist from most people but you have a small amount of people who find REAL paying customers.

I used to advertise services for different types of businesses and gave it up because of the high expectations from people that don't want to pay.
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Voasi

12 years ago

Some parts of what RedShifted said I agree with. Craigslist should be providing an abundance of leads for you, but you have to do it right. There are a ton of others posting web design services, if they're posting for weeks, then you probably know it working. Sounds like you need to check out your competitors a little bit more and re-write your ads so they're more inline with what your competitors Ads look like.

CL marketing works well. I close 5 figures a month just with CL, but mostly with internet marketing services, with a few design services sprinkled in here and there.

Having said that, one of my businesses targets a specific demographic of businesses that post in Craigslist. I have someone that responds to all Ads around the country and then forwards me the leads. Yes, responding does work, but you have to target a specific demographic and you have to tailor your responses in a way that gets them to respond, which requires you to know the demographic that you're target.

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Voasi

Some parts of what RedShifted said I agree with. Craigslist should be providing an abundance of leads for you, but you have to do it right. There are a ton of others posting web design services, if they're posting for weeks, then you probably know it working. Sounds like you need to check out your competitors a little bit more and re-write your ads so they're more inline with what your competitors Ads look like.

CL marketing works well. I close 5 figures a month just with CL, but mostly with internet marketing services, with a few design services sprinkled in here and there.

Having said that, one of my businesses targets a specific demographic of businesses that post in Craigslist. I have someone that responds to all Ads around the country and then forwards me the leads. Yes, responding does work, but you have to target a specific demographic and you have to tailor your responses in a way that gets them to respond, which requires you to know the demographic that you're target.

5 figures a month is excellent from Craigslist! Congrats on being the few that actually make real money from that site.

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JeremyHargrove 12 years ago

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mjwillyone

12 years ago

I signed up for the guide and I must say am totally lost. I received an email, clicked the link to get the product .. then ended up with a signup again .. then back to an email verification ... is the product a book, a video .. what is it?

Mike

Originally Posted by Voasi

Some parts of what RedShifted said I agree with. Craigslist should be providing an abundance of leads for you, but you have to do it right. There are a ton of others posting web design services, if they're posting for weeks, then you probably know it working. Sounds like you need to check out your competitors a little bit more and re-write your ads so they're more inline with what your competitors Ads look like.

CL marketing works well. I close 5 figures a month just with CL, but mostly with internet marketing services, with a few design services sprinkled in here and there.

Having said that, one of my businesses targets a specific demographic of businesses that post in Craigslist. I have someone that responds to all Ads around the country and then forwards me the leads. Yes, responding does work, but you have to target a specific demographic and you have to tailor your responses in a way that gets them to respond, which requires you to know the demographic that you're target.

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Voasi

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mjwillyone

I signed up for the guide and I must say am totally lost. I received an email, clicked the link to get the product .. then ended up with a signup again .. then back to an email verification ... is the product a book, a video .. what is it?

Mike

Shot you a PM... You should be all good to go. In the future, the WSO thread should be sufficient to handle this type of conversation.

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pablo4103

12 years ago

Wow! Five figures a month. Fantastic! How many years to develop your system?

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RedShifted

12 years ago

/\ I doubt it took him years. I can't speak for him personally but it only took me 2-3 months to see consistent business off CL.

I am not up to 5 figures a month yet its more around $4,000-$7,000/month. All in the home remodeling niche brokering leads (although web design was where I started).

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

/ I doubt it took him years. I can't speak for him personally but it only took me 2-3 months to see consistent business off CL.

I am not up to 5 figures a month yet its more around $4,000-$7,000/month. All in the home remodeling niche brokering leads (although web design was where I started).

You post ads in the skilled trades to get leads to pass on to contractors?

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RedShifted

12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

You post ads in the skilled trades to get leads to pass on to contractors?

In its simplest form yes.

However I qualify leads over phone, set up the estimates for them, and collect a commission on all sold jobs.

The volume for home remodeling leads is a lot less than web design/marketing services, but the pay is a lot more. Plus you don't have to waste all your time designing sites or finding ways to outsource (I suck at outsourcing).

Most of my time is spent writing ads everyday and testing them. Then a smaller amount on the phone taking calls. There's still a ton of room left for improvement/scaling things up, but its inevitable I break 5 figures one of these days.

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xichabodx

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

In its simplest form yes.

However I qualify leads over phone, set up the estimates for them, and collect a commission on all sold jobs.

The volume for home remodeling leads is a lot less than web design/marketing services, but the pay is a lot more. Plus you don't have to waste all your time designing sites or finding ways to outsource (I suck at outsourcing).

Most of my time is spent writing ads everyday and testing them. Then a smaller amount on the phone taking calls. There's still a ton of room left for improvement/scaling things up, but its inevitable I break 5 figures one of these days.

I've been following your posts these past several months, Red, so forgive me if you've answered this already, but have you tested custom-made clickable graphic ads vs. your text ads?

Personally, I've received better responses on clickable graphic ads (I create myself) vs. text ads.

Thanks for the feedback and I appreciate your contributions to the forum (I'm in the same market as well, using similar methods).

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by xichabodx

I've been following your posts these past several months, Red, so forgive me if you've answered this already, but have you tested custom-made clickable graphic ads vs. your text ads?

Personally, I've received better responses on clickable graphic ads (I create myself) vs. text ads.

Thanks for the feedback and I appreciate your contributions to the forum (I'm in the same market as well, using similar methods).

In my small amounts of using Craigslist yes clickable ads convert better. The skilled trades section is filled with hacks trying to make beer money and they only post something like "all your electrical needs, call joe hacketup at 555-5555" and that's it. And they wonder why they don't get any work! ha

Creating a professional looking ad will always do better because you stand out from the pack.

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xichabodx

12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

In my small amounts of using Craigslist yes clickable ads convert better. The skilled trades section is filled with hacks trying to make beer money and they only post something like "all your electrical needs, call joe hacketup at 555-5555" and that's it. And they wonder why they don't get any work! ha

Creating a professional looking ad will always do better because you stand out from the pack.

I've noticed the same.
These guys have NO clue when it comes to creating effective CL ads.

They usually get a message from me, whereby I can offer them something 1,000 times better. Some take me up on it...others pass on my offer and continue posting with their run-on sentences and misspelled words. :rolleyes:

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RedShifted

12 years ago

Originally Posted by xichabodx

I've noticed the same.
These guys have NO clue when it comes to creating effective CL ads.

They usually get a message from me, whereby I can offer them something 1,000 times better. Some take me up on it...others pass on my offer and continue posting with their run-on sentences and misspelled words. :rolleyes:

Be careful how you address people on a public forum or you might make an ass of yourself. Just saying.

So great, we have no clue how to write CL ads. But you have no clue how to make a point in a polite, respectful manner. So who do you think people are going to listen to in this situation? The WSO police or the ones trying to actually help people?

Furthermore, since you know so much about generating leads on CL, rather than ask us questions... how about you TEACH US what you're doing? I'm assuming you've ran a bunch of split tests between text ads and image ads? So you probably have some results to speak of right?

Well then.. why do you just keep bickering about bad WSOs? I don't get it.

Noone came into this thread saying they *were better than you*. YOU came here with that bs.

So since you seem to have a massive pair of balls, make a thread like I did and actually help people generate leads on CL.

I don't give a crap who is better than who here. I have made various threads on CL and tried to help people as best as I can. I don't position myself as a pro and never had, just someone who has busted their ass trying to write quality ads. I have also put my ass on the line in various threads. When did YOU put YOUR ass on the line?

When did YOU make a thread discussing YOUR magic formula? I still haven't seen it yet.

Most importantly, all you bitter WSO folks sound like horrible judges of character. I'm sorry, but lets be real here. Of course most WSOs are crap. Thats not really new information either afaic. If you're judging a WSO by the price of it, or how tasty it sounds, you're probably a dipshit.

I judge WSOs based on the person who stands behind it. Take Bob Ross for instance. Bob Ross's character is the ONLY reason I bought his WSO. Sure his sales page was great too, but thats not the reason I bought it.

I KNEW he was the type of person who would never release garbage. The guy made a 50 page thread & did nothing but deliver raw value to the forum. That was the ONLY WSO I've ever bought, knowing shit about marketing at the time, and ironically I made good money off it.

So I told myself I'd never release a WSO unless it was better than Bobs. Some people don't give a crap about stuff like that. But that doesn't mean you should go around generalizing every stranger on this forum who's released a WSO.

Go READ their threads. If you see bad feedback, you probably have a point. If you see nothing but glowing reviews, and you're talking smack on the forum, you tend to come off like a douchebag imo.

It would be like trashing Bob Ross for his WSO, or Pretti, or Kenster, or all the people who have released QUALITY to this forum. Some w/out charging a penny. Some WSOs target newbies, others target advanced users. Its YOUR job to know the difference before you buy.

My main point being, I think this bickering around is ridiculous. You could just as easily be wasting your time SHOWING US why image ads are better. Give some type of educated explanation.

And no, I have not tested image ads vs text ads. Although I usually use pictures in my ads if that makes a difference. If you're linking to videos, thats not what I'm doing. If you say they work better, then I'll have to test them. Not sure what else to say.

But it still doesn't change the fact that I'm able to make a living off Craigslist. If I find out that non text ads work better, awesome. I'll have more material to go over in the future thanks to you.

The petty bs however has got to end, its really sad. If you don't like WSOs, don't buy them. But definitely don't derail a thread over it. A thread that COULD have potentially been useful for people.

-Red

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Falkonator

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Be careful how you address people on a public forum or you might make an ass of yourself. Just saying.

So great, we have no clue how to write CL ads. But you have no clue how to make a point in a polite, respectful manner. So who do you think people are going to listen to in this situation? The WSO police or the ones trying to actually help people?

I think xichabodx was referring to the average handyman, who does not know anything about effective marketing, who post ads that are all run together with a bunch of misspellings.

Maybe you meant to quote the other guy.

BTW, Your posts have been very encouraging and I have been cranking up my Craigslist efforts. I am trying a variety of ads in different cities. Only had one reply so far. Maybe because I am targeting smaller markets that are more local to me.

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xichabodx

12 years ago

I'm assuming that you meant to quote the other member bashing WSOs??
I don't see what I said in my 2 previous posts would warrant a reply such as that. My 1st post in this thread was, in fact, directed toward you...but was a question of text ads vs. graphic ads (post #21).

I also don't recall being rude or not polite either.
Not to mention, I NEVER made any references to any WSOs.

If this reply was directed toward me, and if you take my post as offensive...
In my reference to bad CL ads, I'm referring to those that know not what they're doing (bad headlines, incorrect grammar, and just overall bad ad copy). I never once said I was better than you. And, yes, I have tested graphic ads vs. plain text ads. Graphic ads for me and those I have created them for have pulled better.

Again, I'm assuming your response was to the other member. So, no offense or hard feelings if you mis-quoted.

If you were directing this towards me, I'd be glad to answer the questions you asked below:

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Be careful how you address people on a public forum or you might make an ass of yourself. Just saying.

So great, we have no clue how to write CL ads. But you have no clue how to make a point in a polite, respectful manner. So who do you think people are going to listen to in this situation? The WSO police or the ones trying to actually help people?

Furthermore, since you know so much about generating leads on CL, rather than ask us questions... how about you TEACH US what you're doing? I'm assuming you've ran a bunch of split tests between text ads and image ads? So you probably have some results to speak of right?

Well then.. why do you just keep bickering about bad WSOs? I don't get it.

Noone came into this thread saying they *were better than you*. YOU came here with that bs.

So since you seem to have a massive pair of balls, make a thread like I did and actually help people generate leads on CL.

I don't give a crap who is better than who here. I have made various threads on CL and tried to help people as best as I can. I don't position myself as a pro and never had, just someone who has busted their ass trying to write quality ads. I have also put my ass on the line in various threads. When did YOU put YOUR ass on the line?

When did YOU make a thread discussing YOUR magic formula? I still haven't seen it yet.

Most importantly, all you bitter WSO folks sound like horrible judges of character. I'm sorry, but lets be real here. Of course most WSOs are crap. Thats not really new information either afaic. If you're judging a WSO by the price of it, or how tasty it sounds, you're probably a dipshit.

I judge WSOs based on the person who stands behind it. Take Bob Ross for instance. Bob Ross's character is the ONLY reason I bought his WSO. Sure his sales page was great too, but thats not the reason I bought it.

I KNEW he was the type of person who would never release garbage. The guy made a 50 page thread & did nothing but deliver raw value to the forum. That was the ONLY WSO I've ever bought, knowing shit about marketing at the time, and ironically I made good money off it.

So I told myself I'd never release a WSO unless it was better than Bobs. Some people don't give a crap about stuff like that. But that doesn't mean you should go around generalizing every stranger on this forum who's released a WSO.

Go READ their threads. If you see bad feedback, you probably have a point. If you see nothing but glowing reviews, and you're talking smack on the forum, you tend to come off like a douchebag imo.

It would be like trashing Bob Ross for his WSO, or Pretti, or Kenster, or all the people who have released QUALITY to this forum. Some w/out charging a penny. Some WSOs target newbies, others target advanced users. Its YOUR job to know the difference before you buy.

My main point being, I think this bickering around is ridiculous. You could just as easily be wasting your time SHOWING US why image ads are better. Give some type of educated explanation.

And no, I have not tested image ads vs text ads. Although I usually use pictures in my ads if that makes a difference. If you're linking to videos, thats not what I'm doing. If you say they work better, then I'll have to test them. Not sure what else to say.

But it still doesn't change the fact that I'm able to make a living off Craigslist. If I find out that non text ads work better, awesome. I'll have more material to go over in the future thanks to you.

The petty bs however has got to end, its really sad. If you don't like WSOs, don't buy them. But definitely don't derail a thread over it. A thread that COULD have potentially been useful for people.

-Red

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trevstar22

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Be careful how you address people on a public forum or you might make an ass of yourself. Just saying.

So great, we have no clue how to write CL ads. But you have no clue how to make a point in a polite, respectful manner. So who do you think people are going to listen to in this situation? The WSO police or the ones trying to actually help people?

Furthermore, since you know so much about generating leads on CL, rather than ask us questions... how about you TEACH US what you're doing? I'm assuming you've ran a bunch of split tests between text ads and image ads? So you probably have some results to speak of right?

Well then.. why do you just keep bickering about bad WSOs? I don't get it.

Noone came into this thread saying they *were better than you*. YOU came here with that bs.

So since you seem to have a massive pair of balls, make a thread like I did and actually help people generate leads on CL.

I don't give a crap who is better than who here. I have made various threads on CL and tried to help people as best as I can. I don't position myself as a pro and never had, just someone who has busted their ass trying to write quality ads. I have also put my ass on the line in various threads. When did YOU put YOUR ass on the line?

When did YOU make a thread discussing YOUR magic formula? I still haven't seen it yet.

Most importantly, all you bitter WSO folks sound like horrible judges of character. I'm sorry, but lets be real here. Of course most WSOs are crap. Thats not really new information either afaic. If you're judging a WSO by the price of it, or how tasty it sounds, you're probably a dipshit.

I judge WSOs based on the person who stands behind it. Take Bob Ross for instance. Bob Ross's character is the ONLY reason I bought his WSO. Sure his sales page was great too, but thats not the reason I bought it.

I KNEW he was the type of person who would never release garbage. The guy made a 50 page thread & did nothing but deliver raw value to the forum. That was the ONLY WSO I've ever bought, knowing shit about marketing at the time, and ironically I made good money off it.

So I told myself I'd never release a WSO unless it was better than Bobs. Some people don't give a crap about stuff like that. But that doesn't mean you should go around generalizing every stranger on this forum who's released a WSO.

Go READ their threads. If you see bad feedback, you probably have a point. If you see nothing but glowing reviews, and you're talking smack on the forum, you tend to come off like a douchebag imo.

It would be like trashing Bob Ross for his WSO, or Pretti, or Kenster, or all the people who have released QUALITY to this forum. Some w/out charging a penny. Some WSOs target newbies, others target advanced users. Its YOUR job to know the difference before you buy.

My main point being, I think this bickering around is ridiculous. You could just as easily be wasting your time SHOWING US why image ads are better. Give some type of educated explanation.

And no, I have not tested image ads vs text ads. Although I usually use pictures in my ads if that makes a difference. If you're linking to videos, thats not what I'm doing. If you say they work better, then I'll have to test them. Not sure what else to say.

But it still doesn't change the fact that I'm able to make a living off Craigslist. If I find out that non text ads work better, awesome. I'll have more material to go over in the future thanks to you.

The petty bs however has got to end, its really sad. If you don't like WSOs, don't buy them. But definitely don't derail a thread over it. A thread that COULD have potentially been useful for people.

-Red

Hi Red, I know the thread is not about this but I would like to ask 2 questions. If a contractor does a job for say $5,000 (on the low end right?) what commision would you get? Do you get it up front
or once the job is done? I once dabbled with this myself but never got really into it

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trevstar22 12 years ago

Hi Red, I know the thread is not about this but I would like to ask 2 questions. If a contractor does a job for say $5,000 (on the low end right?) what commision would you get? Do you get it up front
or once the job is done? I once dabbled with this myself but never got really into it
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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

In its simplest form yes.

However I qualify leads over phone, set up the estimates for them, and collect a commission on all sold jobs.

The volume for home remodeling leads is a lot less than web design/marketing services, but the pay is a lot more. Plus you don't have to waste all your time designing sites or finding ways to outsource (I suck at outsourcing).

Most of my time is spent writing ads everyday and testing them. Then a smaller amount on the phone taking calls. There's still a ton of room left for improvement/scaling things up, but its inevitable I break 5 figures one of these days.

So you post the ads to get customers to call in for estimates for home remodeling projects and when they call you give them a rough estimate, collect their info and then pass the lead on to a contractor?

How are you able to give estimates and specific details on these projects over the phone if you aren't in the industry?

Do you gather details on a few contractors ahead of time and setup a fee schedule and let them know if I bring in a lead this is how much it will cost you and if the project gets done I will get this percentage of commission?

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RedShifted

12 years ago

Originally Posted by mrtrance

So you post the ads to get customers to call in for estimates for home remodeling projects and when they call you give them a rough estimate, collect their info and then pass the lead on to a contractor?

How are you able to give estimates and specific details on these projects over the phone if you aren't in the industry?

Do you gather details on a few contractors ahead of time and setup a fee schedule and let them know if I bring in a lead this is how much it will cost you and if the project gets done I will get this percentage of commission?

I am NOT giving estimates over the phone. I COLLECT details on the project and QUALIFY them as much as possible.

You do not need to know a thing about remodeling to execute this. A bit of knowledge obviously helps, but all I do is qualify over the phone.

Then the leads go to 1 of 3 companies I work with. Its a buisiness model that is 100% focused on quality over volume. All leads are exclusive and qualified. Because of this, I also qualify the businesses I work with. I have fired over a dozen different contractors so far because they can't market or sell their company for shit.

That is the aspect that businesses like service magic ignore. They screen contractors in regards to license & insurance. But what if those companies still suck? Like the businesses with multiple negative reviews... service magic STILL gives them leads. I have met MANY remodeling companies who are licensed and insured, but still can't run a business. Their customer service is horrible or their work is horrible, they can't close jobs then want to complain about leads sucking. They'll ask for refunds because their sales team is inexperienced. Its ridiculous. I didn't want any part of that type of business model.

The way things are set up, I deliver hi quality leads to hi quality businesses.

Do I throw away 60% of all the leads I get? Yes. But if you do the math, I still make a lot more than I would selling nonexclusive, low quality leads.. to low quality businesses. Then have the contractors fight over them like hyhenas.

I can sell 10 non qualified, non exclusive leads at $30 a pop.
Thats $300 for 10 shitty leads.

Or I can give away 10 exclusive, qualified leads for no upfront cost. Then collect 10% commission if they close the job (which is why I qualify the businesses so I know they will close a certain amount).

If they close 4 out of those 10, it only takes **1** of those jobs to make 3xs more (on average) than selling all 10 for a flat cost of $30. You may have to reread that again. But making $800-$1200 for 1 job is a joke. I've had jobs sell for $24,000 and although my commissions go down a bit I'm still clearing $2,000 on 1 job. Thats why I see no point selling on a per lead basis.

For me personally, its a model I love. It allows me to position myself far away from companies like service magic. It is FAR FROM PERFECT, but so is any business model. And its still in its begining stages. I have a lot left to learn, a lot left to grow & improve, but like I said I love it. Thats what matters to me the most.

-Red

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maxrezn

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

I am NOT giving estimates over the phone. I COLLECT details on the project and QUALIFY them as much as possible.

You do not need to know a thing about remodeling to execute this. A bit of knowledge obviously helps, but all I do is qualify over the phone.

Then the leads go to 1 of 3 companies I work with. Its a buisiness model that is 100% focused on quality over volume. All leads are exclusive and qualified. Because of this, I also qualify the businesses I work with. I have fired over a dozen different contractors so far because they can't market or sell their company for shit.

That is the aspect that businesses like service magic ignore. They screen contractors in regards to license & insurance. But what if those companies still suck? Like the businesses with multiple negative reviews... service magic STILL gives them leads. I have met MANY remodeling companies who are licensed and insured, but still can't run a business. Their customer service is horrible or their work is horrible, they can't close jobs then want to complain about leads sucking. They'll ask for refunds because their sales team is inexperienced. Its ridiculous. I didn't want any part of that type of business model.

The way things are set up, I deliver hi quality leads to hi quality businesses.

Do I throw away 60% of all the leads I get? Yes. But if you do the math, I still make a lot more than I would selling nonexclusive, low quality leads.. to low quality businesses. Then have the contractors fight over them like hyhenas.

I can sell 10 non qualified, non exclusive leads at $30 a pop.
Thats $300 for 10 shitty leads.

Or I can give away 10 exclusive, qualified leads for no upfront cost. Then collect 10% commission if they close the job (which is why I qualify the businesses so I know they will close a certain amount).

If they close 4 out of those 10, it only takes **1** of those jobs to make 3xs more (on average) than selling all 10 for a flat cost of $30. You may have to reread that again. But making $800-$1200 for 1 job is a joke. I've had jobs sell for $24,000 and although my commissions go down a bit I'm still clearing $2,000 on 1 job. Thats why I see no point selling on a per lead basis.

For me personally, its a model I love. It allows me to position myself far away from companies like service magic. It is FAR FROM PERFECT, but so is any business model. And its still in its begining stages. I have a lot left to learn, a lot left to grow & improve, but like I said I love it. Thats what matters to me the most.

-Red

Red, one of my clients closed a $14,000 basement remodel from a Craigslist Lead I got them earlier using your ad.

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RedShifted

12 years ago

Originally Posted by maxrezn

Red, one of my clients closed a $14,000 basement remodel from a Craigslist Lead I got them earlier using your ad.

Thats crazy a job we closed today sold for $13,000. Then I'll get 8% on that job when the work is done (by next friday).

On top of that we got 2 phone leads. Although the volume was a bit low today, one of those phone leads wound up being from a real estate agent. She told me she needs her kitchen AND bathroom remodeled, then new windows on top of that! This is our first lead from a real estate agent so I may begin posting in the real estate sections because of this. Its always something I've considered but never tested before.

The job hasn't been closed yet, but the company who got the lead WILL close it. Its a strong lead and I can tell the woman likes us. When I spoke to the salesmen afterwards he said this will be a minimum $60,000 job. So if this job sells this week, I will be a VERY happy man. If it doesn't, I'll probably cry, but I'll get over it. There's always more ads to post.

BTW we still need to talk over email I have NOT forgot!

In response to edman78, I know enough to qualify the jobs and thats all that matters to me. When it comes to qualifying over the phone all you need to know imo is sales. If you know how to build a bit of value as a marketer, than building value over the phone is simple (although most of the value building is done during the estimate by the company). I basically regurgitate a lot of the stuff thats in my ads. Then I keep a bunch of notes on the bulletin board in my office just encase. Although I rarely use them. I have lost A LOT of jobs in the past just by answering technical questions over the phone. Not because I answered the questions wrong, but because I answered them in the first place.

You should ALWAYS save the technical questions for the estimate. Otherwise people start asking about price, you haven't built enough value, and you kill the sale. I have a specific process I follow, I never veer from that process, and most of the time it serves me well.

As far as my own role I just say I'm a representative of xxxx remodeling company. Afterwards I have a brief script I go through to qualify the lead. Then if its a good lead I build some value/trust and schedule the estimate. I will never schedule the estimate then just get off the phone. People want to feel like they can trust you, so I always try to kill them with kindness/respect. Which usually goes a long way I've found. Ask if they have kids, ask who's idea it was to remodel the home, try to get a bit personal with the lead. LISTEN to them. Laugh at stupid things, be polite, people eat this shit up. I also ask if they'd like to see referals, samples of our past work, testimonies, etc. People love to hear this stuff.

Whatever you do, do NOT answer ANY questions about price. Thats the salesmans job, not yours.

-Red

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Thats crazy a job we closed today sold for $13,000. Then I'll get 8% on that job when the work is done (by next friday).

On top of that we got 2 phone leads. Although the volume was a bit low, one of those phone leads wound up being from a real estate agent. She told me she needs her kitchen AND bathroom remodeled, then needs new windows put in on top of that.

The job hasn't been closed yet, but the company who got the lead WILL close it. Its a strong lead and I can tell the woman trusts us a lot. When I spoke to the salesmen afterwards he said this will be a minimum $60,000 job. So if this job sells this week, I will be a VERY happy man. If it doesn't, I'll probably cry, but I'll get over it. There's always more ads to post.

BTW we still need to talk over email I have NOT forgot!

In response to edman78, I know enough to qualify the jobs and thats all that matters to me. When it comes to qualifying over the phone all you need to know about is sales. Then I keep a bunch of notes on the bulletin board in my office just encase. Although I rarely use them. I have actually lost A LOT of jobs in the past just by answering technical questions over the phone. Not because I answered the questions wrong, but because I answered them in the first place.

You should ALWAYS save the technical questions for the estimate. Otherwise people start asking about price, you haven't even built proper value first, and you kill the sale. I have a specific process I follow, I never veer from that process, and most of the time I do alright.

As far as my own role I just say I'm a representative of xxxx remodeling company. Afterwards I have a brief script I go through to qualify the lead. Then if the lead is good I build some rapport/trust and schedule the estimate.

Can you give some examples of what you say to "qualify" them?

For my electrical contracting business I qualify by asking this:

First important thing to ask is "when are you planning to have this done?"
Sometimes I get "no rush"

Second question "Are you calling around looking for the cheapest price?"
If they say "yes I don't have a lot of money" then right there with that response they are not a customer I want to deal with. I say "I appreciate your call but I won't be a good fit for your project you may want to try Craigslist."

Now if they replied to my question of price with..."I'm not really concerned about price as much as I am about doing the job right" then that comment or something like qualifies them for me.

I have been qualifying people for close to 16 years now in my business.

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SirThomas 12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

"Are you calling around looking for the cheapest price?"

Is this a phrase you're actually using?
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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Thats crazy a job we closed today sold for $13,000. Then I'll get 8% on that job when the work is done (by next friday).

On top of that we got 2 phone leads. Although the volume was a bit low today, one of those phone leads wound up being from a real estate agent. She told me she needs her kitchen AND bathroom remodeled, then needs new windows put in on top of that.

The job hasn't been closed yet, but the company who got the lead WILL close it. Its a strong lead and I can tell the woman trusts us a lot. When I spoke to the salesmen afterwards he said this will be a minimum $60,000 job. So if this job sells this week, I will be a VERY happy man. If it doesn't, I'll probably cry, but I'll get over it. There's always more ads to post.

BTW we still need to talk over email I have NOT forgot!

In response to edman78, I know enough to qualify the jobs and thats all that matters to me. When it comes to qualifying over the phone all you need to know imo is sales. If you know how to build a bit of value as a marketer, than building value over the phone is simple (although most of the value building is done during the estimate by the company). I basically regurgitate a lot of the stuff thats in my ads. Then I keep a bunch of notes on the bulletin board in my office just encase. Although I rarely use them. I have actually lost A LOT of jobs in the past just by answering technical questions over the phone. Not because I answered the questions wrong, but because I answered them in the first place.

You should ALWAYS save the technical questions for the estimate. Otherwise people start asking about price, you haven't built enough value, and you kill the sale. I have a specific process I follow, I never veer from that process, and most of the time I do alright.

As far as my own role I just say I'm a representative of xxxx remodeling company. Afterwards I have a brief script I go through to qualify the lead. Then if its a good lead I build some value/trust and schedule the estimate. I will never schedule the estimate then just get off the phone. People want to feel like they can trust you, so I always try to kill them with kindness/respect. Which usually goes a long way I've found. Ask if they have kids, ask who's idea it was to remodel the home, try to get a bit personal with the lead. LISTEN to them. Laugh at stupid things, be polite, people eat this shit up.

Whatever you do, do NOT answer ANY questions about price.

-Red

And be weary of RE agents calling you from Craigslist claiming they need this and that done. Most of them are calling just to get estimates for repairs for the selling process of their own clients properties... with no intentions of hiring a contractor.

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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

In response to edman78, I know enough to qualify the jobs and thats all that matters to me. When it comes to qualifying over the phone all you need to know imo is sales. If you know how to build a bit of value as a marketer, than building value over the phone is simple (although most of the value building is done during the estimate by the company). I basically regurgitate a lot of the stuff thats in my ads. Then I keep a bunch of notes on the bulletin board in my office just encase. Although I rarely use them. I have lost A LOT of jobs in the past just by answering technical questions over the phone. Not because I answered the questions wrong, but because I answered them in the first place.

You should ALWAYS save the technical questions for the estimate. Otherwise people start asking about price, you haven't built enough value, and you kill the sale. I have a specific process I follow, I never veer from that process, and most of the time it serves me well.

As far as my own role I just say I'm a representative of xxxx remodeling company. Afterwards I have a brief script I go through to qualify the lead. Then if its a good lead I build some value/trust and schedule the estimate. I will never schedule the estimate then just get off the phone. People want to feel like they can trust you, so I always try to kill them with kindness/respect. Which usually goes a long way I've found. Ask if they have kids, ask who's idea it was to remodel the home, try to get a bit personal with the lead. LISTEN to them. Laugh at stupid things, be polite, people eat this shit up. I also ask if they'd like to see referals, samples of our past work, testimonies, etc. People love to hear this stuff.

Whatever you do, do NOT answer ANY questions about price. Thats the salesmans job, not yours.

-Red

So when you post your ads do you mention the particular contractor details (Name, address, License#, etc.) in your ad that you will be giving the leads to?

Before posting the ads you are already know which contractor you will be sending the leads to once your get them correct?

So before you do any posting of ads you contact several contractors to interview to see which one you will work with and once you find the right one you will sign a contract with them with your commission details?

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

I am NOT giving estimates over the phone. I COLLECT details on the project and QUALIFY them as much as possible.

You do not need to know a thing about remodeling to execute this. A bit of knowledge obviously helps, but all I do is qualify over the phone.

Then the leads go to 1 of 3 companies I work with. Its a buisiness model that is 100% focused on quality over volume. All leads are exclusive and qualified. Because of this, I also qualify the businesses I work with. I have fired over a dozen different contractors so far because they can't market or sell their company for shit.

That is the aspect that businesses like service magic ignore. They screen contractors in regards to license & insurance. But what if those companies still suck? Like the businesses with multiple negative reviews... service magic STILL gives them leads. I have met MANY remodeling companies who are licensed and insured, but still can't run a business. Their customer service is horrible or their work is horrible, they can't close jobs then want to complain about leads sucking. They'll ask for refunds because their sales team is inexperienced. Its ridiculous. I didn't want any part of that type of business model.

The way things are set up, I deliver hi quality leads to hi quality businesses.

Do I throw away 60% of all the leads I get? Yes. But if you do the math, I still make a lot more than I would selling nonexclusive, low quality leads.. to low quality businesses. Then have the contractors fight over them like hyhenas.

I can sell 10 non qualified, non exclusive leads at $30 a pop.
Thats $300 for 10 shitty leads.

Or I can give away 10 exclusive, qualified leads for no upfront cost. Then collect 10% commission if they close the job (which is why I qualify the businesses so I know they will close a certain amount).

If they close 4 out of those 10, it only takes **1** of those jobs to make 3xs more (on average) than selling all 10 for a flat cost of $30. You may have to reread that again. But making $800-$1200 for 1 job is a joke. I've had jobs sell for $24,000 and although my commissions go down a bit I'm still clearing $2,000 on 1 job. Thats why I see no point selling on a per lead basis.

For me personally, its a model I love. It allows me to position myself far away from companies like service magic. It is FAR FROM PERFECT, but so is any business model. And its still in its begining stages. I have a lot left to learn, a lot left to grow & improve, but like I said I love it. Thats what matters to me the most.

-Red

"You do not need to know a thing about remodeling to execute this."

That's why most of the lead companies I dealt with over the years sent me mostly junk leads. I had to "fire" them. If you don't know anything about the business how do you qualify a lead?

And do you post like you are a contractor? When you answer the phone do you say you are a contractor or a referral business?

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mrtrance 12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

And do you post like you are a contractor? When you answer the phone do you say you are a contractor or a referral business?

I'd like to know this as well. Also when you say you qualify them how exactly are you doing this?
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guderfuta 12 years ago

Awesome!!! I am also experienced craigslist poster, but I could not do well. Seeking w4m and job lead buyers. Can provide unlimited lead from both nichie.
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Voasi

12 years ago

Yup, that's right - took just a couple of months. I mean, the Ad took an afternoon. It worked, then we had to pre-qualify a little bit more once we started to get such a large response. That was really it.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by Voasi

Yup, that's right - took just a couple of months. I mean, the Ad took an afternoon. It worked, then we had to pre-qualify a little bit more once we started to get such a large response. That was really it.

You are making $50k a month and you are making a WSO for $12 to tell people how to do it...

LOL right...

If something makes 5 figures and you charge the price of pizza for it that shows it's bull. If I had gold information like that I would sell it at a gold price.

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DavePalermo

12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

You are making $50k a month and you are making a WSO for $12 to tell people how to do it...

LOL right...

If something makes 5 figures and you charge the price of pizza for it that shows it's bull. If I had gold information like that I would sell it at a gold price.

I will vouch for Adam.
Got his WSO and it helped me out a ton.
His Craigslist section was worth the price.

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edman78 12 years ago

Originally Posted by DavePalermo

I will vouch for Adam.
Got his WSO and it helped me out a ton.
His Craigslist section was worth the price.

That's good but when I read someone offering Gold for dirt red flags go up for me and I'm sure lots of other people. And the motivation one has to go through all the work creating a product for $12 when they are banking 50k+ a month is strange in itself.
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Voasi

12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

You are making $50k a month and you are making a WSO for $12 to tell people how to do it...

LOL right...

If something makes 5 figures and you charge the price of pizza for it that shows it's bull. If I had gold information like that I would sell it at a gold price.

LOL... (I literally)

Feel free to read the comments in that WSO, no bull there. Plenty of the students in that course have made money - some of the bigger names in the Offline Marketing section here. Helped out dozens of top marketers tap into offline marketing. And these customers have made $1,000's with my little course. Why I put it together is my business, but more importantly, you need to understand your marketplace... Clearly you see a lot of WSO's going for $2,000 for the material...(end sarcasm)

Funny though, how a $12 course (which is gold, if I do say so myself

) generates $1,000's of dollars (and that's not off of direct product sales)... That's just marketing though, which I'm sure you know all about Ed.

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Voasi

LOL... (I literally)

That's just marketing though, which I'm sure you know all about Ed.

Yes marketing to naive people sorta like those late night infomercials. They are known to bring in big $$$ but it's unethical and preying on the weak minded. Any real adult with half a brain knows a product (supposedly worth gold) sold for beer money is 100% BS.

If you are making 50k a month and can verify it and claim it works 100% why not charge thousands for it?

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RedShifted

12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

Yes marketing to naive people sorta like those late night infomercials. They are known to bring in big $$$ but it's unethical and preying on the weak minded. Any real adult with half a brain knows a product (supposedly worth gold) sold for beer money is 100% BS.

If you are making 50k a month and can verify it and claim it works 100% why not charge thousands for it?

See you are doing nothing but making assumptions now. Comparing a WSO to an infomerical.. maybe there are some similarities, but you are still comparing apples to oranges.

I have resisted launching a WSO for months now. But everytime I come on here and mention what I'm doing, my inbox fills up with the same questions over and over. To the point where I will now avoid WF just to avoid my inbox and all the angry people asking questions. Although I still need to come here for copywriting advice so I'll never leave.

It has got to the point where people are demanding a WSO, and hijacking threads just to ask me questions. Which kills A LOT OF TIME helping all these folks for free.

At this point, launching a WSO, *regardless* of price, would free up a lot of time for me. Which = money. So I don't even care if it sells at this point. I almost want to pay for the WSO just so I have a link to give people. Like "here, go read this and leave me alone".

It sounds rude but it is what it is. It also sounds like I would rush a WSO just to get it out of the way, but that won't happen either. I get pms for a reason, usually because I take my time with things (usually too much time). There have also been many remodeling contractors who have contacted me, so a guide in the form of a WSO can be sold in more places than just WF. If voasi is smart, he's probably using his WSO to make a lot more $ than $12 a pop (which he already hinted to). He doesn't have to sell the WSO only on WF, he can sell it to people he currently works with offline. OR he can sell it to people he can't work with (due to a full schedule) who still want his help. There is a lot more to consider than what you see with your own eyes.

There are also A LOT of ways to monetize any given information product aside from its WSO format on WF. Just keep that in mind. Launching a product for instant gratification is not always a wise marketing decision. Look at what Kenster did he gives away one of his best WSOs for free. Smart marketers do this to demonstrate quality imo. It shows people you take your time with stuff and do things the right way. That you are more concerned with helping people NOW, and getting paid LATER (some of the wealthiest people have made a living like this).

It eventually leads people to Kensters real buisiness, which is coaching. You might buy Voasi's WSO and like it so much you want coaching. Which he can charge a lot more for (ftr I have no idea what his backend looks like). But if you don't know his backend, you can't really speculate that much. Don't lose focus on one product or one price, because it usually means a lot less than you think. That would be the moral of the story here.

G/luck! -Red

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by RedShifted

See you are doing nothing but making assumptions now. Comparing a WSO to an infomerical.. maybe there are some similarities, but in my case I can't think of one.

I have resisted launching a WSO for months now. But everytime I come on here and mention what I'm doing, my inbox fills up with the same questions over and over. To the point where I will now avoid WF just to avoid my inbox and all the angry people asking questions.

It has got to the point where people are demanding a WSO, and hijacking threads just to ask me questions. Which kills A LOT OF TIME helping all these folks for free.

At this point, launching a WSO, *regardless* of price, would free up a lot of time for me. Which = money. So I don't even care if it sells at this point. I almost want to pay for the WSO just so I have a link to give people. Like "here, go read this and leave me alone".

It sounds rude but it is what it is. Also is the fact that a lot of remodeling contractors have been contacting me, so a guide in the form of a WSO can be sold in more places than just WF. If voasi is smart, he's probably using his WSO to make a lot more $ than $12 a pop (which he already hinted to). He doesn't have to sell the WSO only on WF, he can sell it to people he currently works with offline.

There are A LOT of ways to monetize any information product aside from its WSO format on WF. Just keep that in mind. Plus there are a lot more reasons to launch one aside from money believe it or not. Look at what Kenster did he gives away one of his best WSOs for free.

Why? Because its leads people to his real business, coaching. You might buy Voasi's WSO and like it so much you want coaching. Which he can charge a lot more for (ftr I have no idea what his backend looks like). But if you don't know his backend, you can't really speculate that much. Don't lose focus on one product or one price, because it usually means a lot less than you think.

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I can understand your point of creating one. I'm sure there are a few that are made with legit intentions but most are just making money off of the naive and stupid.

Also why do they all look the same? all use the same corny pictures of software boxes and the same text fonts etc.. That is why they have a reputation of just being a marketing scam to smart people like myself.

Price means a lot less then I think? No way not in most businesses and services.

For example in my electrical contracting business I am at $130 an hour but we have cut throat hacks that charge $50 an hour and flop in a year. Based on a customer viewpoint who would you think offers more value for the money? Me at 130 or the guy at 50? If I was a customer and had those two prices in my face... I would think man that $50 guy must be taking lots of shortcuts and using crappy materials.

I can get a cheeseburger at McD's for $1 or I can go to a restaurant and get one for $7. Same thing which one do you think offers more for your buck? Mcd's uses pink slime fillers and a restaurant uses real 100% Angus beef cooked to perfection to order.

If you want to market your WSO for $10 that's fine but to me it offers value like McD's does... nothing but shit.

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DABK

11 years ago

Or they can think that guys like you overcharge a heck of a lot.

I had a real estate appraisal business. I charged from $350 and there were many who charged $250 and some who charged $100.

I offered the better value. Still, some went with the cheaper choices, even knowing I offered the better value. Because they thought I overcharged.

The point? Different people define value differently.

Dan Kennedy got a lot of people to spend thousands upon thousands of dollars on his clever ass by first getting them to buy one of his NO BS books that sold for $9.99 or by getting them to sign up for one of his FREE email marketing courses.

He, then, sells them one of his other thing... and he has many, at various price points. Often, people get the $9.99 book, then join a Kennedy club at $39/month, then they buy something at $499, then something at $1,699, then something at $... You get the point. Over several years, some $9.99 initial purchases end up making him $10k or more.

I will, of course, not say that all $7 WSO's are worth the money. But I will say that the best thing you can do for yourself is to get a prospect to enter your world as a buyer of something.

I will also say, if you buy something from Voasi at $7 that moves you from making $100 a month to $107, you're way ahead, unless you die right after the first month.

If it moves you from a $100 a month to a $350 a month, for instance, you are truly far ahead. And, of course, the next time Voasi has something to sell, you buy. If I were Voasi, I'd have something at $27 or $37.... easy to say yes to if he's helped me almost triple my income.

Then, for those who've purchased the $27 item, I'd have something at $9/month (month after month) and something at $457 (with an upsale of something monthly at $57).

Back to appraising. I spent $200 or so for the courses required to be an appraiser. I spent a bit over $100 to get the license.

The $200 ended up making me a revenue of over $2 million over 10 years. By your logic, I did not make the $2+ million over 10 years because I only paid $200 to learn how to start.

And you, you can't possibly be charging and getting $130 an hour because the electrician education you have did not cost you anything proprotional.

Back to WSO's. Yes, some suck to high heaven and their makers should be ashamed of themselves. But not all.

Yes, for some people, the WSO is the only way they can make money. For others, the WSO's are just strategies for getting more people into their sales funnels.

Ohm... (Breathe in) ohm... (breathe in) ohm... (breathe in) ohm...

PS I do know it's an old thread but I just had to speak to the subject. I come across it way too often... in distorted forms.

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For example in my electrical contracting business I am at $130 an hour but we have cut throat hacks that charge $50 an hour and flop in a year. Based on a customer viewpoint who would you think offers more value for the money? Me at 130 or the guy at 50? If I was a customer and had those two prices in my face... I would think man that $50 guy must be taking lots of shortcuts and using crappy materials.

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mjwillyone 11 years ago

Well .. I have not seen the case study .. guess it is not coming??
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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by Voasi

LOL... (I literally)

Clearly you see a lot of WSO's going for $2,000 for the material...(end sarcasm)

That's just marketing though, which I'm sure you know all about Ed.

I skimmed through the WSO section one time and I would NEVER EVER waste a penny on bullshit. Nobody sells real valuable information/products/services for the price of a pizza.

It's like someone telling a treasure hunter "hey I have a map of exactly where to find the gold I'll sell it to you for $10" It's a joke and a scam.

You may think why am I here then? Because many people offer information without any WSO offers. Those are the people I listen to here.

The only people making money with WSOs are the ones creating them and the forum owner here.

It's funny you guys tote "provide value" "sell value" what value are you providing with a $10 WSO? lol Yeah the value of saving money for them but the product has no perceived value at $10.

I read on here about people having trouble giving away free web design you know why? Because people perceive free as junk same thing with WSOs at $10,$20,$50 claiming to make you 5 figures a month.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

I skimmed through the WSO section one time and I would NEVER EVER waste a penny on bullshit. Nobody sells real valuable information/products/services for the price of a pizza.

It's like someone telling a treasure hunter "hey I have a map of exactly where to find the gold I'll sell it to you for $10" It's a joke and a scam.

You may think why am I here then? Because many people offer information without any WSO offers. Those are the people I listen to here.

The only people making money with WSOs are the ones creating them and the forum owner here.

It's funny you guys tote "provide value" "sell value" what value are you providing with a $10 WSO? lol Yeah the value of saving money for them but the product has no perceived value at $10.

I read on here about people having trouble giving away free web design you know why? Because people perceive free as junk same thing with WSOs at $10,$20,$50 claiming to make you 5 figures a month.

LOL... this just keep getting better! WOW. You're entitled to your opinion, even if it is wrong, but don't try to judge my product's value when you haven't even purchased it. Especially since I've had my customers make $1,000's off of my "no value pizza money course".

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digichik

12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

I skimmed through the WSO section one time and I would NEVER EVER waste a penny on bullshit. Nobody sells real valuable information/products/services for the price of a pizza.

It's like someone telling a treasure hunter "hey I have a map of exactly where to find the gold I'll sell it to you for $10" It's a joke and a scam.

You may think why am I here then? Because many people offer information without any WSO offers. Those are the people I listen to here.

The only people making money with WSOs are the ones creating them and the forum owner here.

It's funny you guys tote "provide value" "sell value" what value are you providing with a $10 WSO? lol Yeah the value of saving money for them but the product has no perceived value at $10.

I read on here about people having trouble giving away free web design you know why? Because people perceive free as junk same thing with WSOs at $10,$20,$50 claiming to make you 5 figures a month.

I have purchased Vosai's WSO (no affiliation) and it is jam packed with really valuable information for a ridiculously low price. I have also purchased WSOs from BobRoss, John Durham, Bruce NewMedia and others, all have provided information worth far more that the meager WSO price. Some WSOs are garbage, but there a also some worth more than their weight in gold, literally.

So until you have actually purchased and gone through these WSOs, it is extremely unfair of you to disparage them and the insult the individuals who wrote them.

Beside, in being as insulting as you are, it is you who looks like the troll.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

I skimmed through the WSO section one time and I would NEVER EVER waste a penny on bullshit. Nobody sells real valuable information/products/services for the price of a pizza.

It's like someone telling a treasure hunter "hey I have a map of exactly where to find the gold I'll sell it to you for $10" It's a joke and a scam.

You may think why am I here then? Because many people offer information without any WSO offers. Those are the people I listen to here.

The only people making money with WSOs are the ones creating them and the forum owner here.

1) You are hijacking this thread, which is rude. You want to complain about WSO's? Make another thread.

2) You are accusing many of the good people here of being scammers without any proof whatsoever. Rude. These are real people you are talking about here. Many of whom have been very helpful to the community. Think about how you talk to people. These aren't just letters on a screen. They are real folks with real businesses.

3) You are calling the WSO's bullshit, and you haven't bought them. How do you know at all? You are speaking about things you have no knowledge of. That is naive and immature. Perhaps you should try the veggies before you say you don't like them?

4) You are insulting the Warrior forum and it's owner. Saying basically the products here are full of junk. This forum has helped many people become independent. Many WSO's have helped people become independent. I have never sold a WSO, but several have helped me make a lot of money. Again, you are talking about things of which you have no knowledge.

Perhaps you should find another forum if you are going to be so critical of the good people at this one. I don't know this guy you are insulting in this thread but it seems to me he'd be the kind of person I would love to bounce ideas off of and buy him a beer. Which, from your posts in this thread, is more than I can say about you.

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joolkano

12 years ago

When you reply to a CL ads avoid the tendency to sell them right away. I would suggest that you send them an email offering free consultation over the phone to discuss their website needs. Ask them if they have an existing site to email you the web address and you can review it and get back to them with your report.

When posting ads, do the two step method. The job of the ad is not to sell your services but merely identify people who could use your services (raise their hand). Once they have been identified, you give them something valuable such as your time for a free consultation, maybe a report you've written, etc....

Look to build relationships. If you have existing clients that are happy with your services have them do a video testimonial. Compile a bunch of these put it up on your site so that you can email potential clients a link to this page. Also maybe do a video pitch yourself that you can email so that people can put a face behind the emails.

You will find that you may not even need to offer any discounts for your services because people know they are getting something of value.

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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by joolkano

When you reply to a CL ads avoid the tendency to sell them right away. I would suggest that you send them an email offering free consultation over the phone to discuss their website needs. Ask them if they have an existing site to email you the web address and you can review it and get back to them with your report.

When posting ads, do the two step method. The job of the ad is not to sell your services but merely identify people who could use your services (raise their hand). Once they have been identified, you give them something valuable such as your time for a free consultation, maybe a report you've written, etc....

Look to build relationships. If you have existing clients that are happy with your services have them do a video testimonial. Compile a bunch of these put it up on your site so that you can email potential clients a link to this page. Also maybe do a video pitch yourself that you can email so that people can put a face behind the emails.

You will find that you may not even need to offer any discounts for your services because people know they are getting something of value.

Any suggestions or examples of what to exactly say in that first email when responding to these ads?

How about for ads that say they need to see your portfolio when you don't have one yet?

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Natasha2003 11 years ago

Voasi

Congrats on your craigslist success. Your story motivates me to tap into the classified market.
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jumbo7901 11 years ago

To the point. Only difference is I would never sell that kind of information, just scale up and keep milking.
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Vadimarket

12 years ago

Replying is useless. I have like 20 classifieds on Craigslist. they get a tons of replies from people usually trying to advertise their stuff instead. It automatically goes to junk folder.

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Aaron Doud

12 years ago

WSO as a whole are priced "too low" but the market works for a number of reasons.

1. The majority who buy will never take action. So you can sell thousands and never really worry about saturation.

2. The "making money" niche is full of people we know will spend money. It's the reason so many people focus on it. Thus getting buyers on a list that you can market to means more money.

3. How long do you think that WSO took to put together? As long as he makes money off the backend which he said he did the cost per hour is great. Once he gets it going the basic is set and forget and then just his normal list maintenance. If he can turn it into another great income stream why not?

As people pointed out here the reviews are good and the customers who bought it are satified. I personally don't purchase WSOs but I don't attack people who sell them. If they can get value out of a $12 that is great.

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alrealestate

12 years ago

I like the WSO process, but many think since they own a computer, the also received the license to make money with it, invest your time or money thats the decision. I know what my time is worth and 12 bux is about 15 minutes.

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umc

12 years ago

WSO's can be great. I've learned a lot from them and chose them over just reading in the forums because I could get a much fuller picture by reading someone's entire plan than I could by trying to piece together snippets here and there. I guess I have more money than time. My only complaint is that the sellers think that because I signed up for their list, which is supposed to be for update notifications to the plugin that I bought or whatever, that now they can email me daily (sometimes several times a day) to pimp out other people's junk products. And then the sellers get shady and start leaving garbage reviews on products that are not helpful to anyone simply to make a buck. Greed gets in the way, and it gets all spammy. Then I have to lose respect for those sellers and not buy their stuff anymore, plus remove myself from their lists. Oh, and I hate $7 products with $77 OTO's that are kind of necessary to make it all work or for an upgraded license. The difference is too big. I also hate going through up to four OTO's after buying something. However, when I want to learn something from someone that has been successful with it, or need a new plugin or theme, I check out the WSO section and it has been very helpful, with the exception of a few people that obviously don't have much integrity.

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socialbacklink

12 years ago

I don't know about you guys but I'm definitely pro Craigslist. I spent about 3 hours on there replying to computer gigs for web design. In 4 hours I closed $2300 worth of web work. I don't know about you but I'll take that any day of the week. I'm working now on doing ads for my site. Once I get my ads running I'll be closing a lot more than that.

All it takes is a little action and a lot of testing. If you can get those ads converting with some testing you can take on PPC or anything else. It teaches you how to test. Look at it as a job and not just this hobby. If you don't do your day job properly your boss will not be happy. So, have the discipline to be your own boss. I've had to fire people before because they just can't work from home. No discipline. I've been working from home now for 8 years. It's not rocket science. But it is a science if that makes sense.

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mrtrance

12 years ago

Originally Posted by socialbacklink

I don't know about you guys but I'm definitely pro Craigslist. I spent about 3 hours on there replying to computer gigs for web design. In 4 hours I closed $2300 worth of web work. I don't know about you but I'll take that any day of the week. I'm working now on doing ads for my site. Once I get my ads running I'll be closing a lot more than that.

All it takes is a little action and a lot of testing. If you can get those ads converting with some testing you can take on PPC or anything else. It teaches you how to test. Look at it as a job and not just this hobby. If you don't do your day job properly your boss will not be happy. So, have the discipline to be your own boss. I've had to fire people before because they just can't work from home. No discipline. I've been working from home now for 8 years. It's not rocket science. But it is a science if that makes sense.

What sort of replies do you send to those that are advertising for web design? Is it very generic or do you go indepth with your replies? Are these mostly small business owners wanting web design or more established companies?

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edman78

12 years ago

Originally Posted by socialbacklink

I don't know about you guys but I'm definitely pro Craigslist. I spent about 3 hours on there replying to computer gigs for web design. In 4 hours I closed $2300 worth of web work. I don't know about you but I'll take that any day of the week. I'm working now on doing ads for my site. Once I get my ads running I'll be closing a lot more than that.

All it takes is a little action and a lot of testing. If you can get those ads converting with some testing you can take on PPC or anything else. It teaches you how to test. Look at it as a job and not just this hobby. If you don't do your day job properly your boss will not be happy. So, have the discipline to be your own boss. I've had to fire people before because they just can't work from home. No discipline. I've been working from home now for 8 years. It's not rocket science. But it is a science if that makes sense.

Nice job. But why do these people post computer gigs needing web design when they can just go right to the service section and find tons of web designers or even google one up? I'm sure if they now how to post an ad on Craigslist they know how to find the services section and use Google.

Why? because they have a hidden agenda and the agenda is CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and lots of hassle. Like I said before you may find some hidden gems on Craigslist but the majority are looking for the best but want to pay pennies.

I remember this line from a classic movie Fast times a ridgemont high..."Well, naturally something happens. I mean, you put the vibe out to 30 million chicks, something is gonna happen." LOL Same with Craigslist if you put the work in to contact thousands of people something is going to happen.

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12 years ago

Originally Posted by edman78

Why? because they have a hidden agenda and the agenda is CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and lots of hassle. Like I said before you may find some hidden gems on Craigslist but the majority are looking for the best but want to pay pennies.

I don't really find that. I mean there are those that are going for cheap. That's why I qualify them in my response. They don't mess with me. I built a quick wordpress site for a guy that took me 4 hours over the weekend. $600. No hassle. I also closed a deal that I'm just waiting to get started on for 5 sites. Should be around $5200. I like doing those because they are easy and the clients aren't demanding for the most part. I've done the bigger sites and yes they are bigger money. But, they also can be a pure beating.

As far as my response. Unless they ask for something specific I send a canned response that I've split tested and have it converting at about 8%. If they want something specific I'll add that to my canned response. I have an assistant sending those out. I sold another $2,000 in one day last week. Easy sites that I'm starting to outsource the work on now.

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Rob28x

12 years ago

Wow sounds like a good business model you are building so far.

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xichabodx

12 years ago

Red,

Thanks for sharing what you're doing.
I'm a believer using CL to generate leads for not only myself, but for clients as well.
So, whatever you have to say regarding the matter...I'm all ears!

I know these contractors would be stupid to cut you out of the deal, but how are you keeping track of the actual jobs they complete and that you'll get paid?

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RedShifted

12 years ago

Originally Posted by xichabodx

Red,

Thanks for sharing what you're doing.
I'm a believer using CL to generate leads for not only myself, but for clients as well.
So, whatever you have to say regarding the matter...I'm all ears!

I know these contractors would be stupid to cut you out of the deal, but how are you keeping track of the actual jobs they complete and that you'll get paid?

All I do is follow up on the lead. The worst thats happened to me is the salesmen might try to negotiate down my commissions. If they have a good reason why I'll let it happen. If it becomes repetitive, I terminate our contract.

With cancelled estimates, just call back the lead and follow up with them. Let the businesses know you will be following up with leads too. Most of the time you won't even need to do it, but as long as they think you are they won't try anything. They know you have their information, so it would be a ballsy move to try.

If you think the business is lying, then pick up the phone and find out. Its really that simple. I still haven't had this happen one time yet, I'm sure it will eventually, but its really not that common.

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12 years ago

Red, no worries. Just shoot me an e-mail whenever you get a minute.

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RedShifted

12 years ago

/\ You are right. I'm just here to learn as much as you are, so anything that works for you, definitely let us know.

These last couple of weeks I'm changing up my entire game on CL. I'm looking for the 1 thing people are doing the least of, which I personally believe is videos.

They are harder to do, but I believe if they are done right, it will give you a major advantage over the competition. Plus I love the way our first few videos have came out.

Tommorow my brother is coming over, and we're recording videos all day long. I have a quality mic, video editing software (cyberlink), sound editing software (Fl Studio) so its time to evolve our strategy I think. As much as I love the ads, and will still use them, I definitely think there are stronger ways to promote on CL.

Will definitely keep the forum updated!

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Aaron Doud

12 years ago

Video?

Are you embedding videos in the ads(never tested that so not even sure you can)?

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RedShifted 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Aaron Doud

Video?

Are you embedding videos in the ads(never tested that so not even sure you can)?

No I'm not embedding videos in the ads. I go to youtube and copy the video into a jpeg/thumbnail. Then upload the jpeg in my CL ad and add code so it will click over to my youtube video.

When users see the jpeg it looks like a video. All they have to do is click once and it brings them to youtube to watch it.

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xichabodx 12 years ago

Originally Posted by Aaron Doud

Video?

Are you embedding videos in the ads(never tested that so not even sure you can)?

CL does not allow you to embed video.

However, what I do with my clickable ads (if wanting to take visitors to a video landing page) is place a play button over my image. This entices visitors to click. I sometimes make the entire ad look like a YouTube video with the play button over the image.

Another variation is place all pertinent information & bullet points (in graphic form, not text) with a video image below. Either way, the entire ad is clickable no matter what.

Backpage, on the other hand, does allow you to embed video.
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RedShifted

12 years ago

Oh boyy, do I have good news for this forum.

Guys pretty soon I'm going to have a case study for you people like you've never seen before.

If you've been looking for a way to TRUELY dominate craigslist, and convert a high % of people who land on your ads, THIS is the way.

I almost can't believe this hasn't been talked about on WF. Or maybe it has. The downside is it takes around 6-8 hours for me to make one of these "ads". The first few I've posted, have been making our phone ring all day. This has gave me a true glimpse at what it takes to make serious money off CL (and it takes A LOT of damn work). The real issue is a graphic designer can't make these ads. A copywriter could, but you would need to pay a lot of money to have them made up. IF you had the money, I could see people making 5 figures a week off CL all by itself.

We're going to scale up the method and do 700 ads this week, so I'll have results for the forum at the end of the week. I didn't even tell my client I was doing this, but when the calls started coming in, and I showed him the ads afterwards, now he's willing to dump serious money into this.

If the results of the case study are anything close to what we're seeing on a small scale, this will almost definitely have to be released as a WSO. Anyway, let me not get so ahead of myself. People have seen stuff from me before, but honestly, my old ads SUCK compared to these. This will rocket your credibility straight into the skies by doing this. Finally, don't be mad because I didn't mention what it is yet. Just stay tuned for the results of the case study.

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12 years ago

eh, I was saying this even before it was a meme but...Shut up and take my money!

Originally Posted by RedShifted

Oh boyy, do I have good news for this forum.

Guys pretty soon I'm going to have a case study for you people like you've never seen before.

If you've been looking for a way to TRUELY dominate craigslist, and convert a high % of people who land on your ads, THIS is the way.

I almost can't believe this hasn't been talked about on WF. Or maybe it has. The downside is it takes around 6-8 hours for me to make one of these "ads". The first few I've posted, have been making our phone ring all day. This has gave me a true glimpse at what it takes to make serious money off CL (and it takes A LOT of damn work). The real issue is a graphic designer can't make these ads. A copywriter could, but you would need to pay a lot of money to have them made up. IF you had the money, I could see people making 5 figures a week off CL all by itself.

We're going to scale up the method and do 700 ads this week, so I'll have results for the forum at the end of the week. I didn't even tell my client I was doing this, but when the calls started coming in, and I showed him the ads afterwards, now he's willing to dump serious money into this.

If the results of the case study are anything close to what we're seeing on a small scale, this will almost definitely have to be released as a WSO. Anyway, let me not get so ahead of myself. People have seen stuff from me before, but honestly, my old ads SUCK compared to these. This will rocket your credibility straight into the skies by doing this. Finally, don't be mad because I didn't mention what it is yet. Just stay tuned for the results of the case study.

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mjwillyone

11 years ago

Ok ... where can I find the results of the case study you mentioned months ago?

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Originally Posted by RedShifted

Oh boyy, do I have good news for this forum.

Guys pretty soon I'm going to have a case study for you people like you've never seen before.

If you've been looking for a way to TRUELY dominate craigslist, and convert a high % of people who land on your ads, THIS is the way.

I almost can't believe this hasn't been talked about on WF. Or maybe it has. The downside is it takes around 6-8 hours for me to make one of these "ads". The first few I've posted, have been making our phone ring all day. This has gave me a true glimpse at what it takes to make serious money off CL (and it takes A LOT of damn work). The real issue is a graphic designer can't make these ads. A copywriter could, but you would need to pay a lot of money to have them made up. IF you had the money, I could see people making 5 figures a week off CL all by itself.

We're going to scale up the method and do 700 ads this week, so I'll have results for the forum at the end of the week. I didn't even tell my client I was doing this, but when the calls started coming in, and I showed him the ads afterwards, now he's willing to dump serious money into this.

If the results of the case study are anything close to what we're seeing on a small scale, this will almost definitely have to be released as a WSO. Anyway, let me not get so ahead of myself. People have seen stuff from me before, but honestly, my old ads SUCK compared to these. This will rocket your credibility straight into the skies by doing this. Finally, don't be mad because I didn't mention what it is yet. Just stay tuned for the results of the case study.

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rolltide

12 years ago

Red-I look forward to seeing the case study!

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rolltide

12 years ago

Red-Just curious, how are you getting 700 ads/wk up (100/day)? I guess these details will be in the WSO as well

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CYCLONE 12 years ago

I wanted to ask.
Is anyone having problems with auto deletes?
My ads goes up and get auto deleted within 2 hours.

Sorry if I posted this in the wrong spot.
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RedShifted

12 years ago

Originally Posted by rolltide

Red-Just curious, how are you getting 700 ads/wk up (100/day)? I guess these details will be in the WSO as well

No I have no problems telling you that.

I forgot which thread it was, but there was another thread about CL that got spammed to death by CL posters. I found a guy in 1 of those threads who had a WF membership and looked reputable. So thats who I'm using.

The thread should still be on the first or second page of this forum I believe. Then if you go to the for hire section, you can easily find someone there too. If you search on google, most of the places on page 1 are expensive. Thats why I recommend finding someone on here as its usually a lot cheaper that way.

Let me know if you have any issues finding someone and I'll get the info for you. Just a bit busy atm.

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Instructor

12 years ago

I could use a quality guy. Hit me when you get a sec.

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Originally Posted by RedShifted

No I have no problems telling you that.

I forgot which thread it was, but there was another thread about CL that got spammed to death by CL posters. I found a guy in 1 of those threads who had a WF membership and looked reputable. So thats who I'm using.

The thread should still be on the first or second page of this forum I believe. Then if you go to the for hire section, you can easily find someone there too. If you search on google, most of the places on page 1 are expensive. Thats why I recommend finding someone on here as its usually a lot cheaper that way.

Let me know if you have any issues finding someone and I'll get the info for you. Just a bit busy atm.

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DesertSand

12 years ago

I could use some help in designing an ad.

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him77

11 years ago

going to read the comments here, but just wanted to say I put out a test ad asking for somenoe to design a website and was flooded with replies.....about 30. I just moved on to another way to get leads, but my bet is that it's all bout what you say in the title because people get flooded with email replies

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TheBigBee

11 years ago

Total waste of time. I would scrape data and do voicemail drops on business owners who don't have web sites... Either answer the calls, or have them transferred to an answering service who I would train to convert them. Outsource everything to 99buckswebdesign, and charge $599 plus for it. Complete auto pilot business... I haven't dove in yet... But compiling this data and acquiring nice looking domains is a hobby now.

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Volux

11 years ago

I'm interested in knowing if anyone is actually willing to help out with a CL ad of mine?

Great advice here, just want some advice on my own ad I've wrote.

If you can, shoot me a PM.

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