Where Most Offliners Are GOING WRONG! (Video)

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Hey guys,

I don't do many presentations, but thought I'd do this one for anyone getting started:

I started with zero money and zero experience and in this presentation I show you the exact steps I took to become a Full Time Offliner.

Here's a quick outline (and tell me you can't do this)

1. Get your mindset right. You need to think of this as a business.
2. Target a specific niche
3. Oh, when targeting a niche, make sure it's one where money is being spent
4. Research that niche and "become an expert in it" (I show you this)
5. Set up a domain and hosting
6. Add the secret ingredients to make your site look like a professional outfit.
7. Network
8 Make Money


It took me 2 weeks to set up and now I have my own offline business. If I can do this, then anyone can, even with little experience.

That's it!


It's made on the fly so please excuse my "erms" and "umms"

Since it's over 1 hr long you can download the video and various tools here:

http://www.xenmediahosting.com/x/whe...e-going-wrong/

Thanks and good luck!
#offliners #video #wrong
  • Profile picture of the author PanteraIM
    Nice fundamental refresher for new marketers :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author payoman
      Hey Dez,

      Nice video, I had a couple of questions if you don't mind sharing...

      1. How long have you been running your offline business for?

      2. What are your offerings? I know you mentioned PPC and Video Marketing, what else?

      3. What niches do you focus on?

      4. When you say to 'focus on a niche', could you give strategies that you have used that have made your clients say 'wow, you DO focus on our niche, take my money!'

      5. Care to share any financials at all? Costs per month, profit per month etc?
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      • Profile picture of the author desmond11
        Originally Posted by payoman View Post

        Hey Dez,

        Nice video, I had a couple of questions if you don't mind sharing...

        1. How long have you been running your offline business for?

        2. What are your offerings? I know you mentioned PPC and Video Marketing, what else?

        3. What niches do you focus on?

        4. When you say to 'focus on a niche', could you give strategies that you have used that have made your clients say 'wow, you DO focus on our niche, take my money!'

        5. Care to share any financials at all? Costs per month, profit per month etc?
        Hey Payoman,

        In answer to your questions:

        1. How long have you been running your offline business for?
        About 9 months now. I have five niches in total

        2. What are your offerings? I know you mentioned PPC and Video Marketing, what else?
        I offer a wide range of services (mainly ones that can be outsourced easily). The main one is PPC since I'm able to convert a lot of business owners that don't know how powerful this is to their business. In fact, the panda penguin updates have been a godsend to me since I can push PPC a lot harder now.

        I've got a few courses coming out in the coming months that will explain the lucrative add-ons, but one of the main services is increasing their overall profitability by focusing on their profit rather than turnover. Too many business owners are focusing on sales without looking at how much profit different items are achieving. I've also started setting up online newsletters for them so that they can stay in touch with their clients. Hos that answered your question?


        3. What niches do you focus on?
        I focus on financial services (specifically the mortgage industry), buy to let vendors and insurance companies. I target industries where money is being spent. When I first started I focused on restaurants and plumbers, but found myself having to educate them on why they should be spending money on marketing (hard work). By focusing on industries that already spend money in this space makes life a lot easier

        4. When you say to 'focus on a niche', could you give strategies that you have used that have made your clients say 'wow, you DO focus on our niche, take my money!
        I mention in the video "become an expert". The reason why so many fail in offline marketing is because they go into a pitch cold. They know little about the clients' business and focus on the sell. I basically find out all there is to know about the niche (more than the client) and proceed to educate them on their own industry. Not only does this impress them, they start to have the "we have a lot in common" psychology. It works brilliantly. Hence the reason I don't do too much cold calling. I also had a letting agency and investment agency 5 years ago which I sold. So it's a space I know and feel comfortable with. I used to sell off-plan properties at a discount and charge a finders fee.

        5. Care to share any financials at all? Costs per month, profit per month etc?
        I think you'll forgive me for not posting my financials on this forum . What I can tell you is that PPC is my biggest earner. I think the fact it's measurable and I've been able to track offers with different coupon codes (i.e. the landing page goes to a separate page with a specific coupon for testing).

        Hope that helps Payoman?
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    • Profile picture of the author desmond11
      Originally Posted by PanteraIM View Post

      Nice fundamental refresher for new marketers :-)
      Hopefully it's a great refresher and also for those just getting started
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  • Profile picture of the author payoman
    Could you give some more background on using PPC to help local businesses?

    I am talking in a general sense. From everything I have heard about PPC, it's overly expensive, hasn't got good returns and people 'don't like to click the yellow links' because they look 'spammy'.

    So PPC is very viable and especially for local business, from the sounds of it?
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    • Profile picture of the author desmond11
      Originally Posted by payoman View Post

      Could you give some more background on using PPC to help local businesses?

      I am talking in a general sense. From everything I have heard about PPC, it's overly expensive, hasn't got good returns and people 'don't like to click the yellow links' because they look 'spammy'.

      So PPC is very viable and especially for local business, from the sounds of it?
      Hey Payoman,

      Ask them what the lifetime value of the average client is. There are several calculations but I like to work on 2 years. So, how much does that client spend per year?

      For example: I have a cleaning company which offers window cleaning. On average we charge around £10 per house per month. If they only use my service for two years that's £240 income over two years. Now I know that figure, I can now calculate how much I can spend to acquire a new client.

      Being really aggressive, I could spend £120 to acquire that new client, knowing full well that I break even at year 1 and then profit afterwards.

      First we do a test with PPC by going after a selection of keywords we feel are relevant (but sending them to a landing page with a coupon offer). The coupon allows us to track the effectiveness of the campaign.

      Let's say we spend on average £10 per day and receive 5 clicks with 1 conversion. That new client has only cost us £10, but the value over 2 years is £240.

      Obviously, this is an over-simplified explanation and there a few more factors to add in here. But, this is the gist of how we persuade our clients to try ppc.

      1. Find out life time value of their client
      2. Arrange to do a test campaign and set an affordable budget
      3. Get them to set up a separate landing page and coupon for tracking (or you can do this and charge).
      4. Contact a PPC pro on elance and give them the specifics of the project (go for the highest rated contractors):

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      Title: I need someone to set up a small ppc campaign for local company

      This is a small project, but could lead to a lot of work. I need someone to set up and test a campaign for my local client.

      The winning bidder will receive a selection of the keywords we'd like to target and I would like recommendations of more keywords they think maybe handy.

      I need detailed weekly reports so that I can show the progress of the campaign.

      Happy bidding!

      Des

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      I do things a little different to most people on here and I was quite aggressive with my marketing push when I set up. I didn't charge a fee for my services with my first few clients because I knew how important it was landing my first few clients. With these guys under my belt I started targeting similar businesses in different areas since I was now armed with real statistics. I also name dropped.

      I don't advise you to go down the free route unless you can afford to. However, I'd worked out how much a potential client could bring in via ongoing fees etc. It's very good!

      So, to answer your question, PPC is expensive if you don't know what you're doing and haven't worked out the LTV. If you have, you can easily work out a budget for each campaign.

      I outsource everything to elance.

      Tip: I also look at existing campaigns of prospective clients and type in general keywords to see what comes up (specifically looking at negative keywords where they're showing up for clicks that offer no real return).

      For example, using my cleaning example earlier on. We offer carpet cleaning, but our ad was appearing when someone typed in "carpet cleaning hire" which on the face of it sounds good, but what this client really wants is to hire a machine to on a DIY basis. So, once you know this, you can add this to what we call a "negative keyword list" in adwords so it stops displaying for these words. That little trick has saved our company thousands by not displaying for the wrong keywords.

      If you call this company or do a small video presentation telling them where they're going wrong with their campaign, you've got a good chance of getting their business.

      I don't know what you mean by "yellow links"? The background colour is shaded yellow which has been toned down over the years so that it blends seamlessly with the organic results by Google. I remember the days when this background colour was a lot darker.

      Hope that helps?
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  • Profile picture of the author Akori
    Thanks Desmond Great refresher
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  • Profile picture of the author newfriends
    This really helped me focus on my current project. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Brown
    Great video Des and confirmed what I knew in the back of my mind but didn't always commit to, namely pick a specific niche and don't go chasing everything.

    I liked your tip about picking 50 ideal clients and focusing your marketing on them.

    If anyone is struggling with offline I recommend they watch this video and even if they aren't there are some good pointers in there that will definitely help.

    Cheers

    Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author BreakingRetail
    Hi Desmond,
    I just waned to drop a comment for you my friend, this video has helped me look at my new business in a totally different way! it helped me realize the other side of the coin...(if that makes sense)
    The video is awesome! I'm glad I watched it.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlStruction
    Hey Des,

    I want to thank you for providing this information to us for free. It's refreshing to see someone bring up points that at times contradict the general consensus of WF users, and acknowledges some of the biggest challenges of working in Internet Marketing. I was wondering if you could share with us some of the ways that you came up with ideas for picking a niche? Thanks again!
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    • Profile picture of the author desmond11
      Originally Posted by AlStruction View Post

      Hey Des,

      I want to thank you for providing this information to us for free. It's refreshing to see someone bring up points that at times contradict the general consensus of WF users, and acknowledges some of the biggest challenges of working in Internet Marketing. I was wondering if you could share with us some of the ways that you came up with ideas for picking a niche? Thanks again!
      Hey, no problem. As I said in the video, try to pick a niche where money is already being spent in abundance. This gives you a receptive audience when trying to pitch your services.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    You made me think of something interesting. But our #1 competitor online right now, about 6 years ago his business went bankrupt. Salesmen were stealing jobs from him, his business was suffering, he had lead flow problems, and eventually his business went under. A few months later he started having problems with his wife, and got a divorce.

    The guy was an amazing inspiration though. He would work 12-14 hours a day, doing everything he could, and he still couldn't keep his business afloat.

    Eventually he reopened a new business 18 months after his first one went down. After his first 1 failed miserably, this guy was back doing it all over again.. in the same industry.

    This time around, his new business is wildly successful. Its almost made me view failure like the best thing that can happen to a person. Failure is when you learn the most. Failure is when you figure out whether you have the "right mindset". So many people use failure as an excuse to give up. But when you use failure as a motivator, THAT is when you overcome the greatest obstacles in life.

    -Red
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    • Profile picture of the author desmond11
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      You made me think of something interesting. But our #1 competitor online right now, about 6 years ago his business went bankrupt. Salesmen were stealing jobs from him, his business was suffering, he had lead flow problems, and eventually his business went under. A few months later he started having problems with his wife, and got a divorce.

      The guy was an amazing inspiration though. He would work 12-14 hours a day, doing everything he could, and he still couldn't keep his business afloat.

      Eventually he reopened a new business 18 months after his first one went down. After his first 1 failed miserably, this guy was back doing it all over again.. in the same industry.

      This time around, his new business is wildly successful. Its almost made me view failure like the best thing that can happen to a person. Failure is when you learn the most. Failure is when you figure out whether you have the "right mindset". So many people use failure as an excuse to give up. But when you use failure as a motivator, THAT is when you overcome the greatest obstacles in life.

      -Red
      Couldn't have said it better myself Red.

      Thanks for the inspirational story.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Marshall
        Hi Desmond,

        I'm just setting up my offline business selling mobile websites. I learned more about how to market it from your presentation than I did from several so called gurus! It's great stuff that has really made me think.

        Many thanks and good luck with things.

        Kind regards,

        John
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        • Profile picture of the author desmond11
          Originally Posted by Higgey View Post

          Hi Desmond,

          I'm just setting up my offline business selling mobile websites. I learned more about how to market it from your presentation than I did from several so called gurus! It's great stuff that has really made me think.

          Many thanks and good luck with things.

          Kind regards,

          John
          Glad you got a lot out of it Higgey. Hook me up on PM if you have any further questions.

          Mobile websites is great space to go into at the moment mate. I'm in the process of persuading most of my clients to incorporate them.

          Good luck!
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          • Profile picture of the author badgeruk
            Great Video Desmond. This has given me the kick up the arse that I needed. Time to stop messing around and focus on doing something positive.

            Many Thanks
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