What Stops Web Design And SEO Packages from being the Greatest MLM product of all time?

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Sandalwood inspired me with that question.

I asked my brother who is a six figure MLM guy once and he just mumbled that it wasnt a good idea and walked away....I have never brought it up to him since,

Why wouldnt offline products be good to build an MLM company with?

Or do you think they would work?

What do you need to start an MLM company with this?

Im great at recruiting masses, have several techniques but dont know how the set up works really.

Question day for JD I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I'm actually working on this right now... in theory it would be great... logistically it's very difficult. There are a lot of holes, and I haven't been able to come close to figuring it out lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I'm actually working on this right now... in theory it would be great... logistically it's very difficult. There are a lot of holes, and I haven't been able to come close to figuring it out lol.
      I once recruited over 2000 agents... For my own product... and I see the benefit of MLM, but wouldnt want to do it for anyone else...

      Just how do the tiers work from the company end?

      What does it require to set up?

      Is it really necessary to have millions of dollars backing you?

      Can you manage growth...with what revenue comes in and build it up?

      Of course member joining fees I guess would provide alot of front end finances... there would seem to be plenty of money to go around at first glance...

      How do you set up tiers? How deep should you go...? How do you design it?

      I could set up a one teir thing with agents...but people seem to be highly attracted to good MLM opps, and I can see how it could grow huge.

      The final chapter of Ogs Scrolls is about duplication and refers indirectly to MLM....and the rest of the book has been true in my life. Exponential duplication would be the full circle of that journey with the scrolls.

      It would make Og proud, and it would make me the richest salesman in the world.


      Hmmmm....a b2b MLM network?

      People make money, by the actual members and agents using the service?

      Anybody who knows about this is welcome to give your two cents for me and
      the "Nameless Horesman".
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      • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
        Very interesting topic you have going on here John.

        SEO would make for a terrible MLM company. In a lot of MLM's, everyone tries to sell the product to everyone else. Well, ethically you can't sell the same SE0 service to the same types of businesses in the same areas. Ethically.

        But, the website part is interesting. You could do it with mobile sites.
        The market is still pretty wide open. But, I just don't know how design would be coordinated. Maybe have several templates???


        Or SMS. You could sell packages. You can get 1000 messages through Twillio for $100.
        Then resell the packages through the downline for $300. Pay $10, 10 levels deep. Then the company still makes $100. Out of that you could designate a portion to bonuses. Maybe $50 goes into a bonus pool or something.

        Then it's recurring, assuming a new package is needed every month.

        It is an interesting concept. I would like to see how this evolves.

        Huge upfront costs??? You can hire a comp plan company. Pay a few grand to Twillio for a short code. But I would think that would be it. ?????
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      • Profile picture of the author Gatsby
        I actually did this in 1998. We had a system that was a web site of products, that you bought into - then of course you sell the ability of your downline on the same.

        The secret to the MLM is of course at the top the kingpins you locate. I think a lot of people get the perspectives fuzzy depending on what level you are looking from. The only difference between MLM and an offline guru with a mailing list is the downline, which is also of course supported by a compensation model. In other words, why would you want to be in a downline, unless there was some kind of compensation to do so.

        So, you can talk about the tech all day, but the compensation levels are what makes any MLM what it is. Actually, the products and services are placed in there just so it is not a scheme; since you can do a MLM without it but that would be pondsy/pyramid only. The product/service acts as a place holder for legality.

        So you would need a repeatable system, and focus on building up kingpins in select cities. Train them to train a downline and then create a support system for everyone (brand identity, learning materials, weekly webinars QA). Then the biggest problem of all is the payout system. I mean coming up with a compensation model is dandy, but you have to have a payout system to handle it - straight up accountant needed.

        Anyway, those are only some thoughts off the top of my head. It really is doable, but there is a clear difference from other models like affiliate marketing. Although, no matter how complex the MLM is - one solid goal is this. Get your "legs" to find just two people that are total go getters. If one is weak and you can find a better one, replace them and totally focus on a left and right leg. If you can inspire that throughout a downline, then you have a solid foundation.

        Also, I do know how much our group had invested in this around 1998, it was in total around $150,000 initial. The web biz in a box thing I designed was $500 a year, and on opening day we sold about 100 and continued onward for several years. We actually priced that based on that era, and everyone was barely on board with the internet being worth anything - it was just starting to climb up in status; as most of these people were from areas that barely had computers, and most of out customers were on AOL and had 640x480 dial ups (all factors that hindered my designs). Now, you could easily charge a $1999, because if you had it setup right people would get ape ass crazy about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      I'm actually working on this right now... in theory it would be great... logistically it's very difficult. There are a lot of holes, and I haven't been able to come close to figuring it out lol.
      I've played with the idea in my head as well. I keep find little things to hold it back but the basic idea is sound.
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  • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
    Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

    Sandalwood inspired me with that question.

    I asked my brother who is a six figure MLM guy once and he just mumbled that it wasnt a good idea and walked away....I have never brought it up to him since,

    Why wouldnt offline products be good to build an MLM company with?

    Or do you think they would work?

    What do you need to start an MLM company with this?

    Im great at recruiting masses, have several techniques but dont know how the set up works really.

    Question day for JD I guess.
    The real answer is the FTC. This particular field would be so ripe for fraud and rip offs they would be watching it the moment it launched.

    Just my 2¢...

    Tom
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    There is a guy in WF right now... from my neck of the woods.
    Who did just this, 10 or so years ago.....

    I know this, because he used MY COMPANY to jump start the pro cess
    via phone sales.

    twice i have tried to get him to come out of his shell and testify ....
    maybe this 3rd time is the charm.

    also.

    I did whats called an Australian One up.
    Texas AG busted my ass, and fined me.

    and that was the end of that. Its public record , so pretty easy to look up
    if any one has questions.

    I did not know, that you have a bazillion hoops you MUST jump through before
    launching ... and some states require special applications.

    after 2 years... texas slapped me with a 1.2 million dollar fine.
    and 90... yes 90 days to appeal, and pay.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Here's what this guy is doing as an independant agent,
      not the owner of the product.

      Warning: at the end of the video he is going to pitch you his method
      of making it work.

      He covers getting your pitch on a webinar and driving traffic
      to it while it sells without you being on it.

      Best,
      Ewen

      http://www.betternetworker.com/video...ussell-brunson

      P.S. might be off topic as it's about selling any opportunity,
      not specifically web design and seo.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Oh yeah, I forgot about each state's AG office. They hate MLM so they will be on you w/a vengeance. Other than that, how did you like the parade Mrs. Kennedy?

      Tom

      P.S. An asst AG goes to the same gym I do so we have chats about various topics. That's how I know. I had an idea for a mlm and that's how I came to find out what they really think.

      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      There is a guy in WF right now... from my neck of the woods.
      Who did just this, 10 or so years ago.....

      I know this, because he used MY COMPANY to jump start the pro cess
      via phone sales.

      twice i have tried to get him to come out of his shell and testify ....
      maybe this 3rd time is the charm.

      also.

      I did whats called an Australian One up.
      Texas AG busted my ass, and fined me.

      and that was the end of that. Its public record , so pretty easy to look up
      if any one has questions.

      I did not know, that you have a bazillion hoops you MUST jump through before
      launching ... and some states require special applications.

      after 2 years... texas slapped me with a 1.2 million dollar fine.
      and 90... yes 90 days to appeal, and pay.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

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        P.S. An asst AG goes to the same gym I do so we have chats about various topics. That's how I know. I had an idea for a mlm and that's how I came to find out what they really think.
        that's awesome... I did not know the term australian one up.. until
        i saw it in the subpoena, i was arrogant enough to believe
        what i was doing was unique, and new, and ... blah blah blah...

        funny now... scary to the max then.
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        • Profile picture of the author Gatsby
          yeah the system we had was fully compensated by products and services; we also did all the paperwork and met the right people. So in all legality, we were not doing any "scheme" whatsoever. You can even answer a question on the phone wrong, and that will get you in trouble quick, it is that sensitive in how you understand your model, and as well that everyone else involved understands it.

          Check out my favorite story, The Rise amd Fall of Don Lapre, Doug Grant, and "The Greatest Vitamin in the World"

          Good ol Don Lapre, it has actually been just over a year since he cut his neck in a jail cell owing 51 Million.
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        • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
          Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

          that's awesome... I did not know the term australian one up.. until
          i saw it in the subpoena, i was arrogant enough to believe
          what i was doing was unique, and new, and ... blah blah blah...

          funny now... scary to the max then.
          Rich,

          For something like an mlm it helps to know somebody in the lion's den. Sometimes that will save you 1.2 million bux.

          The guy I mentioned in the other post who owns a national association just bought an insurance company. I have a program that can save the state's PERS system. He has the guy who can get me into the Gov's ofc and PERS director ofc plus the union boss's ofc. See the marriage there?

          If you are in the insurance business and you want to put 100,000 policies on the books all at once you have to have two things:

          1) the juice to get it approved at the DOI level w/o a hitch

          2) the reserves to make it happen

          We have both.

          Freedom is wonderful...

          Tom

          Almost forgot, I will be the broker of record. When it happens I get a piece of every policy that will ever be written. Better than an mlm and I hope that equals $80 million if you get the gist
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

            Better than an mlm and I hope that equals $80 million if you get the gist
            Loud and clear brotha !
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I see Tom with his Jesus example.... and I think of Ogs last scroll, and then Adrians claims of 80 million dollars per year...and I think "Exponential duplication, is the only way that can happen", or having 100 telemarketers going full steam fulltime and having to manage them....

    The responses in this thread create mixed feelings.... perhaps some clarity will shine through in the next few posts...

    Thinking further....what I did in 2003 could pull it off too...maybe Im answering my own question, or didnt really need to ask. It probably doesnt require MLM.

    What was the original thought that made me think MLM would do it better?

    Hmmm.... Maybe it was a useless thread, and I jumped the gun.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I see Tom with his Jesus example.... and I think of Ogs last scroll, and then Adrians claims of 80 million dollars per year...and I think "Exponential duplication, is the only way that can happen", or having 100 telemarketers going full steam fulltime and having to manage them....

      The responses in this thread create mixed feelings.... perhaps some clarity will shine through in the next few posts...

      Thinking further....what I did in 2003 could pull it off too...maybe Im answering my own question, or didnt really need to ask. It probably doesnt require MLM.

      What was the original thought that made me think MLM would do it better?

      Hmmm.... Maybe it was a useless thread, and I jumped the gun.
      No, you didn't jump the gun. Your brain was running faster than you. That's a good thing but unfortunately w/mlm the guvmint hates it w/a passion. An honest mlm can make more people rich faster than they think should happen. Remember, we are the masses of asses according to a Democrat now long deceased. We are not entitled to riches as we are not members of the political elite.

      I am not being political I am stating fact. Research it and you'll see I'm on the money. And, as it turns out I was also called a patriot in the most derogatory ways when I was a political candidate in the 90's.

      I could go on but no need. This is a new day and your king has risen. Be prepared to genuflect in November. You'll love the medical program and retirement plan that will be forced on you.

      Again, don't believe me. Read it for yourselves. Ah, what the hell, Allah Akhbar...

      Tom
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      • Profile picture of the author mike_lucas
        We to be honest there are several challenges with this type of business Model. I know and have faced many of there are about 3 years ago a group I was partner with started a mlm company based on that model. Previously I was involved in successfully 3-4 company and made a nice income sadly the office products have several hurdles that are very difficult to overcome

        I will not go into the legal challenges a company like this must face but they are substantial alone, but what was even a higher challenges Is the mlm Model it self
        Year ago I got started in the MLM business worked with 3-4 of the major players and several of the smaller ones . Face is 95 % closed in the first 3 years . but here are a few of the challenges one would face
        1. The stain of MLM- just having that ty0pe of business model by name created a distaste in many prospect minds the word pyramids, etc come to most when presented with this type of business model due to the negative history of mlm.
        2. The sad face 95 % of all Income generate by mlm company are for the Representatives . This is the in my eyes the number one hurdle.

        Example health company selling X,W and Z product well to be a agent for this company you 99% of the time have some type of monthly requirement offer referred to as a auto ship you have "sell" every month to qualify for a commission check and the pitch is you need to be a user to know how to sell. The face is 93% of Representatives sell less than 300% a year where the MLM company makes it real money is the upsell of products to the agents from actual products, tools, fees etc.
        89% of the representatives sell little to nothing but are end users themselves of the product they find the product useful ,helping with their medical conditions, or diet, or other personal need etc with a offline type product the typical user ie stay at home mom would not need any of the typical offline products the critical Need factor" would not be there so the auto ship would be near impossible to get any long term value thus they would drop any product line fairly quickly leaving less then 1o of your base actually trying to sell products

        MLM makes money by recruiting people in the system NOT by selling a product sad but truth from Herbalife, Pre Paid legal etc on down to the stat up's companies which 90% of all product usage is by the user thus 90% 0f all revenue generated is by the reps. Offline the typical rep(64%) is a stay at home female .

        Retention would plummet( did in our case after just 3 months ) the heavy hitters or big recruiters ( which any mlm must have to get off the ground) would see a revolving door of new recruits leaving faster then they could fill their downlines. When you Add in the fact of no real auto ship violable product ,there would be no huge recruiting commission for downlines due to the nature of product line thus the top recruiters would bail quickly.
        83% of all Sells are to family friends and relatives. Anyone that been in any MLM knows this as if they were even had the smallest of success so does there family as they bugged, gave free sample to ,begged to come to a webinar /meeting etc every friend ,family member rand neighbor they could talk to.

        First Rule in a MLM if you have a active upline they will tell you is make a list of 100 friends and family...
        While with this model you could make a list of business you use i.e plumber insurance agent etc it is 10x much harder for them to present a presentation to the business on How the product has help them unless a weight loss product or cream etc as the rep would not be using the product , they would not be a expert on the product line the rep would know this and would be more hesitant to try and sell , do presentation gets discouraged and well the revolving door spins even faster .

        There are other challenges on using a mlm model but this are a few that we faced and found it easier and more profitable after 18 months of trying the mlm model to go the more traditional sales route
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    Here's the problem. (And keep in mind I thought about this same thing/really wanted to try it)

    (I can only talk about SEO because I don't know web design)

    Main problem--When it comes to SEO knowledge is power. Put plainly, one person who has the secrets or rather knows about the next best thing when it comes to SEO, can rank 1000 sites by himself and do better than 10,000 other people using last years strategy.

    Take me for example. I can outsource the content, like article writing for guest posts or press releases through a submission company like PRWeb, but the actual secrets--the things that make you special/better than competition--you can't tell anyone about.

    Once you give out your secrets, then you are worth just as much as the next guy.

    That's at least why its bad/hard to outsource SEO work if you want to keep your business and knowledge.

    Here's the other side of things. Its extremely easy to do (I guess you could call it arbitrage) and take on clients while outsourcing their work to a competent buddy who does SEO.

    Only problem there is keeping up profits, while not making your prices too high, and then managing clients. It would be extremely hard to explain and interact with clients about their SEO campaigns without knowing the in's and out's of the market.

    Either way, I'm sure it could be done, just hard. And frankly you would only have to deal with the top 1/2 layers, the rest would be governed by what the level's below you decide to do.

    I'm at a point where I could take on a ton of work and still work at 100% effectiveness, I just wish there was an easier way to get affiliate/partners for SEO, without ruining your profit margin.
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