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Happy New Year to JD, Claude...

by mak25
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Many of you guys may not know me since I'm more of a 'lurker' than a 'poster', but there are a good handful of people here who make posts that really inform and teach.

And being at the ripe ole age of 60, I still find there is soooo much to learn and to know, so it is to that end that I lurk and still learn.

With that being said, I want to give my warmest and sincerest best wishes to a very prosperous 2013 to those who have helped me without their even knowing it.

Happy New Year JD, Claude, Nameless, Kenmichaels, rearden, ewan, Jason, misterme, sandalwood, jake (bobross) and so many others who contribute that my 60 year old brain can't recall at the moment. :-)

Thanks for being a part of a forum/sub forum that has indeed helped so many people.

Cheers,
Mike
#claude #happy #year
  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Love you Mak- Ditto bro.

    Yeah I know you are Mike, but to me you're the "mak"!
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Love you Mak- Ditto bro.

      Yeah I know you are Mike, but to me you're the "mak"!
      In my mind he is Mak as well.

      Happy new year Mak.

      And john, I remember about a year ago, when mike was struggling, he asked good questions,
      and called bs on the stupid answers. He caught my eye.

      for the next 6 or 8 months, he asked YOU a lot of questions.

      then a few months ago, i saw him in the mobile section, all pissed off
      that some one ganked his source code.

      Meaning, he finally got it... and was making sales.

      I am willing to bet a LOT of that was because of you.

      I bring this up, because it is just one more piece of proof that you should not leave.

      You have said, it only takes one to make it all worthwhile.
      well there ya go one more

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      Happy New Year, and profitable wishes to all.
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    Happy New Years to all you guys too!
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Mike; While I don't actually love you, I appreciate the honor of putting me in the same group as JD, IAmNameless, Ken Michaels, Rearden, Ewan, Jason, Misterme, Sandalwood, and Jake (bobross)

      I want 2013 to be a great year for all of us, at home and in business.

      I hope to meet you all someday.
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      • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Mike; While I don't actually love you, I appreciate the honor of putting me in the same group as JD, IAmNameless, Ken Michaels, Rearden, Ewan, Jason, Misterme, Sandalwood, and Jake (bobross)

        I want 2013 to be a great year for all of us, at home and in business.

        I hope to meet you all someday.
        Happy new year too everyone as well. I wonder if we made 2013 the year of the mega seminar. I can get us great deals here in Reno at a 5 star hotel. Mind you, this is just a question. I don't know how we'd finance it or if we would do anything but break even.

        However, wouldn't it be great to have all that knowledge on video? No holds barred. We just spill our brains on tape and let the world do what they want with it.

        Think on it and any suggestions can be sent to me via email. The same icon you use to pm also sends email.

        Just thinking out loud...

        Mike, appreciate you starting the thread.

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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          That'd be darn interesting and I'd make the time for it.

          Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

          Happy new year too everyone as well. I wonder if we made 2013 the year of the mega seminar. I can get us great deals here in Reno at a 5 star hotel. Mind you, this is just a question. I don't know how we'd finance it or if we would do anything but break even.

          However, wouldn't it be great to have all that knowledge on video? No holds barred. We just spill our brains on tape and let the world do what they want with it.

          Think on it and any suggestions can be sent to me via email. The same icon you use to pm also sends email.

          Just thinking out loud...

          Mike, appreciate you starting the thread.

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            I'll be honest with you, I don't know if a Mega Seminar would pay for itself. But I'd sure be in. I'm more interested in meeting you guys a and sharing some time than the actual stage presence, although sharing a stage with a few of you would be a kick.


            Would the Forum want to arrange it and promote it? I'd be willing to pay my own expenses. If there were product sales (not really a necessary part) I'd donate the profit to the Forum.

            It sounds like a hell of an idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Why not just set up something cool for this group during the next Warrior Event this spring?

    We're shooting for late April/early May in Nashville.

    You guys could easily do what lots of other marketers are doing - set up a private mastermind or group meet-up around the event - that way you all can hang and have fun without all the costs/hassle of organizing the damn thing...

    ...or just pick a date, hotel and DO IT (not even close to as easy as it looks, but very doable for smart guys like you).

    If you need help, just ask.

    Happy New Year!

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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    Thank you for mentioning me in that five star list! And I want you to know 60 is the new 40, so stop it with the "old" stuff already. Especially since that super concert for Hurricane Sandy. Mick Jagger's pushing 70 and there he was on stage running around more animated than guys half his age.
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    Originally Posted by mak25 View Post


    Happy New Year JD, Claude, Nameless, Kenmichaels, rearden, ewan, Jason, misterme, sandalwood, jake (bobross) and so many others who contribute that my 60 year old brain can't recall at the moment. :-)

    Thanks for being a part of a forum/sub forum that has indeed helped so many people.

    Cheers,
    Mike
    Mike it's been a privilege for me to know all on your list and learning
    from every one of them too.

    So thank you guys!

    May it continue.

    Best,
    Ewen
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    Great thread guys!
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      I'll be honest with you, I don't know if a Mega Seminar would pay for itself. But I'd sure be in. I'm more interested in meeting you guys a and sharing some time than the actual stage presence, although sharing a stage with a few of you would be a kick.


      Would the Forum want to arrange it and promote it? I'd be willing to pay my own expenses. If there were product sales (not really a necessary part) I'd donate the profit to the Forum.

      It sounds like a hell of an idea.
      My thinking was it would probably be a break even situation given all of us would pay for ourselves. I don't know what kind of goodies I could arrange for all the participants but I'd sure as hell hustle up whatever I could.

      The forum certainly can arrange and promote it. I was thinking I could do the grunt work, if so desired, being I live here and have a rapport with hotel mgt.

      I also thought the videos could be sold through a co-op arrangement in which every participant shared. Probably all could get their dollars returned. Don't know that but it would seem possible.

      Who knows where it would go from there...Not trying to steal anyone's thunder but when you think about who would participate, that's a ton of years of experience and first hand doing. Unless of course no one wants to do it.

      Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

      Why not just set up something cool for this group during the next Warrior Event this spring?

      We're shooting for late April/early May in Nashville.

      You guys could easily do what lots of other marketers are doing - set up a private mastermind or group meet-up around the event - that way you all can hang and have fun without all the costs/hassle of organizing the damn thing...

      ...or just pick a date, hotel and DO IT (not even close to as easy as it looks, but very doable for smart guys like you).

      If you need help, just ask.

      Happy New Year!

      Brian
      Brian,

      I like your input but I was thinking more along the lines that this would be a stand alone program. That way it wouldn't interfere with anybody else's parade. As for costs and hassles, I've done a few of these b4 and can't say for sure but the hotel I have in mind won't give me too much grief. We even have airport pickup. All you do is deplane walk outside and get in the hotel shuttle. All related details are miniscule as well.

      My thinking is it would be in June with all participants signed in by may 15th.

      Of course always open to ideas and suggestions.

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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod View Post

          Hey Tom,

          All good... just a suggestion to try and make it easy for everyone to say "Yes!"

          The offer stands. Happy to discuss any ways to make the Warrior Event as cool as possible for the regulars in this section of the forum.

          And no worries about interfering with the parade... the whole event is all about getting Warriors to connect in "meat space".

          Best,

          Brian
          Brian; I'm not really sure what these guys have in mind. A stand alone event promoted by the Forum, would certainly pay for itself. If we are turning a social visit into an event, then it could either be part of the Warrior Event, or a stand alone event for offline marketers (Guys who sell online marketing, offline.) If we have an audience, it would certainly pay to be there.

          It could be a panel discussion on stage with the audience watching, or a series of short talks with a panel discussion.

          What would be the reason to gather? Learning how to sell online services? Learning to sell? How to prospect and close?

          How many offliners attend the Warrior event normally?

          Sandelwood, Brian, and the others;

          Here is what I'm used to, it may be a guide. A few speakers get time on stage (maybe an hour). Some have a book or something to sell, some don't. We pay our own expenses to get there. DVDs of the event are created by the house and sold to the audience. That money is the house's. But the speakers each get Masters of the event in DVD to use however they like to their lists.

          Usually the speakers (4-6) each talk during the day, with a group panel from the stage to answer questions and exchange ideas (This is really the most fun of the day for most, including me)

          There are a few guys here that I know will create attendance to the event. We all know who they are.

          I understand the desire to make this a small group meeting. But if there is already an interested crowd gathering, it makes sense to take advantage of it.
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          • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            Brian; I'm not really sure what these guys have in mind. A stand alone event promoted by the Forum, would certainly pay for itself. If we are turning a social visit into an event, then it could either be part of the Warrior Event, or a stand alone event for offline marketers (Guys who sell online marketing, offline.) If we have an audience, it would certainly pay to be there.

            It could be a panel discussion on stage with the audience watching, or a series of short talks with a panel discussion.

            What would be the reason to gather? Learning how to sell online services? Learning to sell? How to prospect and close?

            How many offliners attend the Warrior event normally?

            Sandelwood, Brian, and the others;

            Here is what I'm used to, it may be a guide. A few speakers get time on stage (maybe an hour). Some have a book or something to sell, some don't. We pay our own expenses to get there. DVDs of the event are created by the house and sold to the audience. That money is the house's. But the speakers each get Masters of the event in DVD to use however they like to their lists.

            Usually the speakers (4-6) each talk during the day, with a group panel from the stage to answer questions and exchange ideas (This is really the most fun of the day for most, including me)

            There are a few guys here that I know will create attendance to the event. We all know who they are.

            I understand the desire to make this a small group meeting. But if there is already an interested crowd gathering, it makes sense to take advantage of it.
            Claude,

            I like your outline and program. I'm a believer in as big as possible. The more people we have in attendance, the better for all of us. If just a few of us want to sit and talk we can do that by a skype group arrangement. I'm all for that too.

            Hell, I want a lot of people there so they can pick our collective brains and learn. This field is pretty wide open and there is room for everyone who is willing to take action. I just ran across an opportunity that I didn't even know existed. It all happened because I bought 1000 shares of a penny stock.

            I had no idea how vast the audience is. Boggled my mind. I found out because my partner's granddaughter is part of this niche. It's funny, I buy stock, tell my option trader about it, he tells me about his granddaughter, her mother explains the size and total scenario and tomorrow I send a cold email (thanks Ewen) to the company.

            Could be a large contract. Not bragging cuz it could be zero as well. Just relating how this stuff works offline. Imagine if we had 1000 people at this event and all of us related our stories. Would that create synergy? Would that set some people on fire?

            Again, I don't want to spoil anybody else's event. I'm just on fire about this one. I think it would set off 4th of July fireworks in June. Geesh, let's get 'er done...


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            • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
              Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

              My thinking was it would probably be a break even situation given all of us would pay for ourselves. I don't know what kind of goodies I could arrange for all the participants but I'd sure as hell hustle up whatever I could.

              The forum certainly can arrange and promote it. I was thinking I could do the grunt work, if so desired, being I live here and have a rapport with hotel mgt.

              I also thought the videos could be sold through a co-op arrangement in which every participant shared. Probably all could get their dollars returned. Don't know that but it would seem possible.

              Who knows where it would go from there...Not trying to steal anyone's thunder but when you think about who would participate, that's a ton of years of experience and first hand doing. Unless of course no one wants to do it.
              It most certainly is not a break even situation, it is a highly profitable possibility. A mentor of mine is in the pet niche. He runs web design and hosting for just vets, pet shops, rescues, dog trainers, etc. He pulls in a LOT of money. He also runs a pet expo in different cities across the country, I believe about 30 weekends out of the year.

              In his expo, he makes money off of FREE ADMISSION, major publicity to get people to the event, and sells booth space for people to advertise their local rescue or pet related business to the public. They have speakers, exhibits, even performances.

              Previously, I was the event coordinator for a major travel expo and it was the same thing. You sell sponsorships, booth space, and welcome packets.

              Each expo brings in over 500,000 in revenue, not including all the work they get for the exhibitors that sign up for the website services.

              Now imagine we put something together like this, and market to all the local businesses and even regular people who want to learn marketing, or even "work from home" type stuff. Leave it open to the public, free admission, and sell booth space to b2b type businesses and get corporate sponsorship through godaddy, 1and1, web.com, even Google...

              The money isn't in charging per admission, the money is in advertising.

              Maybe even get the WF as a sponsor in exchange for banner ads running promoting the event.

              Anyway... its interesting to think about but a lot of hard work. It can be very profitable but a lot of work.

              I wouldn't go to a regular warrior event, not because I don't think it would be worth it, but because I simply do not like a lot of the people that go, or even speak. One of them is actually someone I would like to throw furniture at for non stop spamming me even after multiple unsubscribe attempts. Anyway... the offline crowd isn't bad, a few people I wouldn't mind meeting in person.
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              • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
                Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

                I wouldn't go to a regular warrior event, not because I don't think it would be worth it, but because I simply do not like a lot of the people that go, or even speak.
                Boo!

                One of them is actually someone I would like to throw furniture at for non stop spamming me even after multiple unsubscribe attempts.
                Can you clue me in privately about this? Apreesh.

                Happy to support whatever you guys decide to do - lots of smart comments in this thread already.

                Best,

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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Tom & Iamnameless; I think you guys are kind of unaware of how difficult it is to fill a room. Each seat sold (even free) takes multiple sales letters, phone calls, and may cost $100-$200 per attendee just to get them there. A room with 100 attendees may set someone back $15,000, plus the room, plus any incidentals (coffee, projectors, cookies). Want 20 people to show up? Sure, a few messages on the Forum would work. Past that, it's a lot of marketing.

                  A room of 1,000 attendees just to hear a few of us talk? Very improbable.
                  Do I want a private workshop? Sure. It would be a tad more fun. But I have learned a few things; Go where the crowd is already gathered.

                  A separate schedule at the next Warrior event for offliners, would get us all in a room. The audience would be there. The rooms would be paid for, and we could have a very productive couple of days. The Event would attract more attendees & we would have a far bigger crowd. Win Win.

                  Don't like someone there? You think I'm different? We all hate someone. Avoid them, and talk to the other 99.9% of the people.

                  I would love to speak to my offline friends. But I would also think that the more general "IM" audience would like to hear us too.

                  It's an idea. We don't need to debate this for long. Personally, I'm fine with the Warrior event, and we could have a great time hanging out.

                  We don't have to participate with the other sessions. Although I might.
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                  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    Tom & Iamnameless; I think you guys are kind of unaware of how difficult it is to fill a room. Each seat sold (even free) takes multiple sales letters, phone calls, and may cost $100-$200 per attendee just to get them there. A room with 100 attendees may set someone back $15,000, plus the room, plus any incidentals (coffee, projectors, cookies). Want 20 people to show up? Sure, a few messages on the Forum would work. Past that, it's a lot of marketing.
                    I'm not unaware, I don't view that as difficult, just time consuming. I coordinated an event that had over 10,000 people there. We did a barter deal with a major newspaper with over 300,000 in circulation, along with clearchannel to run radio ads. Total cost was about $500 to put their logos on some banners and material. Facebook, is awesome for event promotion now too.

                    Getting people to an event like that, is the absolute easiest thing to do. Planning the event, selling the exhibitor booths, insurance, dealing with unions and organizing everything is the difficult thing.

                    It just comes down to developing relationships, and executing.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

                      I'm not unaware, I don't view that as difficult, just time consuming. I coordinated an event that had over 10,000 people there. We did a barter deal with a major newspaper with over 300,000 in circulation, along with clearchannel to run radio ads. Total cost was about $500 to put their logos on some banners and material. Facebook, is awesome for event promotion now too.

                      Getting people to an event like that, is the absolute easiest thing to do. Planning the event, selling the exhibitor booths, insurance, dealing with unions and organizing everything is the difficult thing.

                      It just comes down to developing relationships, and executing.
                      I should have been clearer. The events I have are where people pay to attend, and they are not industry events. These are filled with cold lists.
                      it's a different animal.
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                      • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
                        I appreciate all of the responses. You all have been there done that. Here is my out loud thinking.

                        First, this section of the forum seems to have several hundred people. Most lurk, some lurk and post and some post w/a little lurking. This tells me that if I was to be the flunky and lay the ground work, we'd get several hundred people.

                        Second, with that said, there has to be something in it for them. Reno NV ain't that something. However, the hotel is but that is only one perk. When I actually did this and traveled if the hotel sucked, we never went back. So I can get that nuisance out of the way.

                        Third, the presenters would have to be doners. That means they did it and aren't talking "gonna do it" stuff when they are on stage. This group would have to step up to the plate and commit to be on the bill. This would have to be done by third week January.

                        Fourth, I don't know if the WF would even agree to promote it. Who would I ask? Other than making posts, I am at a loss. I don't want to step on my **** with the forum.

                        Fifth, Cost of show would be about $250 with the participants paying their own way. Because I am a socialist when it comes to defraying costs, if there was room in the $250, I'd toss back some $$$ to all participants.

                        Sixth, I have a professional videographer. I don't know what kind of deal I could work out but I bet it would be fair to everyone.

                        Seventh, I believe if this thing did take hold, the promotion would happen via everyone on this sub-forum. I know when someone has something, I send it out to my lists. If everybody contributed, maybe that's pie in the sky thinking, I feel it would surprise us all re: the number of attendees and the value of the material.

                        Eighth, sponsorship. That could be tough but again, why wouldn't members of this forum be sponsors? They already do WSOs and other offers. Why not participate in this event?

                        Ninth, there is stuff I am forgetting but surely someone will tickle my brain and I'll address it.

                        Tenth, I am not asking anyone to give anything away or do something for free. I realize the money potential is huge. Used to do seminars in the 90's. Nice hunks of dough to say the least. I'm asking for people to pay their way, walk out with valuable information that WILL increase their bottom line and hopefully start a gig that will only grow and increase the outputted value.

                        OK, so I may be dreaming a little but again, I'm the flunky or donkey doing the ground work. No charge. If you can beat that, take your business there. All I need is a whisper of commitment.

                        Build it and they will come, right?

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                        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                          Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

                          I appreciate all of the responses. You all have been there done that. Here is my out loud thinking.

                          First, this section of the forum seems to have several hundred people. Most lurk, some lurk and post and some post w/a little lurking. This tells me that if I was to be the flunky and lay the ground work, we'd get several hundred people.

                          Second, with that said, there has to be something in it for them. Reno NV ain't that something. However, the hotel is but that is only one perk. When I actually did this and traveled if the hotel sucked, we never went back. So I can get that nuisance out of the way.

                          Third, the presenters would have to be doners. That means they did it and aren't talking "gonna do it" stuff when they are on stage. This group would have to step up to the plate and commit to be on the bill. This would have to be done by third week January.

                          Fourth, I don't know if the WF would even agree to promote it. Who would I ask? Other than making posts, I am at a loss. I don't want to step on my **** with the forum.

                          Fifth, Cost of show would be about $250 with the participants paying their own way. Because I am a socialist when it comes to defraying costs, if there was room in the $250, I'd toss back some $$$ to all participants.

                          Sixth, I have a professional videographer. I don't know what kind of deal I could work out but I bet it would be fair to everyone.

                          Seventh, I believe if this thing did take hold, the promotion would happen via everyone on this sub-forum. I know when someone has something, I send it out to my lists. If everybody contributed, maybe that's pie in the sky thinking, I feel it would surprise us all re: the number of attendees and the value of the material.

                          Eighth, sponsorship. That could be tough but again, why wouldn't members of this forum be sponsors? They already do WSOs and other offers. Why not participate in this event?

                          Ninth, there is stuff I am forgetting but surely someone will tickle my brain and I'll address it.

                          Tenth, I am not asking anyone to give anything away or do something for free. I realize the money potential is huge. Used to do seminars in the 90's. Nice hunks of dough to say the least. I'm asking for people to pay their way, walk out with valuable information that WILL increase their bottom line and hopefully start a gig that will only grow and increase the outputted value.

                          OK, so I may be dreaming a little but again, I'm the flunky or donkey doing the ground work. No charge. If you can beat that, take your business there. All I need is a whisper of commitment.

                          Build it and they will come, right?

                          Tom
                          Tom; I appreciate your willingness and your offer. Here are a few things to consider;

                          Who would speak? First, you need people who others want to hear. In the sub-forum (I mean no disrespect to anyone) that list is maybe ten names. That's a guess. I don't read most of the rest of the forum.

                          Of the people that others want to hear, who wants to be onstage? It isn't for everyone.

                          And the universe of offliners here is really quite small. How many would pay to attend, buy a plane ticket, pay for a room, and spend a couple days?

                          Let's pretend that there is no marketing cost. The Warrior Forum could market to the members & each speaker would market to their list.

                          But hotel rooms aren't free, video services aren't cheap, and getting more than a few percent of any group to show up is a marketing challenge.

                          I have a few ideas, but I'll make a few contacts to see who wants to do what.

                          And again, what is the hook? Why are people going to invest their time and money to show up? Is it to hear a group of us shoot the breeze? Learn what we do to sell offline marketing?

                          So far, I can tell that 5 or 6 people would want to be there. How many were at the last Warrior event? How many of them were active in offline marketing? You'll see that the universe is perhaps smaller than we think.

                          Personally, I think that the Warrior Forum should create a small sub-event at their regular Warrior event. We could have all the advantages of a small cozy event, but the audience would already be there. The marketing would be taken care of, the rooms paid, and we would just need to know what we are going to do.

                          And most of the questions like; Who wants to speak? Who is popular enough to warrant time? Who doesn't duplicate another's topic?

                          Most of these have to be answered in private.

                          Anyway, I think this is a great idea, and I'm all in. But there are lots of factors to work out, and not all of them can be done here.

                          Here's a question; Who would you travel to hear? And what do we want them to talk about? Guys?
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                          • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
                            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                            Tom; I appreciate your willingness and your offer. Here are a few things to consider;

                            Who would speak? First, you need people who others want to hear. In the sub-forum (I mean no disrespect to anyone) that list is maybe ten names. That's a guess. I don't read most of the rest of the forum.

                            Of the people that others want to hear, who wants to be onstage? It isn't for everyone.

                            And the universe of offliners here is really quite small. How many would pay to attend, buy a plane ticket, pay for a room, and spend a couple days?

                            Let's pretend that there is no marketing cost. The Warrior Forum could market to the members & each speaker would market to their list.

                            But hotel rooms aren't free, video services aren't cheap, and getting more than a few percent of any group to show up is a marketing challenge.

                            I have a few ideas, but I'll make a few contacts to see who wants to do what.

                            And again, what is the hook? Why are people going to invest their time and money to show up? Is it to hear a group of us shoot the breeze? Learn what we do to sell offline marketing?

                            So far, I can tell that 5 or 6 people would want to be there. How many were at the last Warrior event? How many of them were active in offline marketing? You'll see that the universe is perhaps smaller than we think.

                            Personally, I think that the Warrior Forum should create a small sub-event at their regular Warrior event. We could have all the advantages of a small cozy event, but the audience would already be there. The marketing would be taken care of, the rooms paid, and we would just need to know what we are going to do.

                            And most of the questions like; Who wants to speak? Who is popular enough to warrant time? Who doesn't duplicate another's topic?

                            Most of these have to be answered in private.

                            Anyway, I think this is a great idea, and I'm all in. But there are lots of factors to work out, and not all of them can be done here.

                            Here's a question; Who would you travel to hear? And what do we want them to talk about? Guys?
                            @Brian

                            I appreciate the illuminating on your event. Had no idea who ran it or its beginnings. You are a true gentleman for taking the time to inform us. My hat is off to you sir.

                            @Claude

                            Had to say that to Brian. Great guy. Now, you are 100% right about who would speak. I can think of three people I would ask. Big deal, right? However, they may indeed say yes. I know some people locally who bring in more money than God and care less about WF or any other forum.

                            They simply go about their business and don't get involved. How many people would want to hear a no name millionaire? If I'm right maybe three people on this forum. So that leaves them out.

                            One of these three happens to be my trading partner. He reluctantly agreed to do the website you see in my sig. As a speaker, he ain't. If I twisted his arm, he'd show up. He has one specialty and one specialty only but is it ever a money maker.

                            OK, enuf about that. Onto your mentioned challenges. I totally agree that they are a back breaker if a guy doesn't outsource. I don't guarantee I could outsource everything and save myself a ton of work, but I do guarantee I'd try.

                            As for the attendees and getting them here. If I am off mark, please tell me. But this offline niche is a hell of a niche that seems to draw more and more players. Some are newbies some aren't.

                            What would draw them to this confab? Other than some high powered names, learning what we do successfully is a great hook. That is one of the reasons I joined the national speaker association in the 80's. I wanted to learn what they did, how they did it and anything else I could. Made me a ton of money when I started doing and producing my own seminars.

                            But, is that strong enough? Well, hell education costs. Our local univ just raised tuition again. $660 for one semester of Spanish. That's three hours at this school. That's only one course at resident cost. Would you spend $500 to have a college degree never mind just one course?

                            I don't know the answer to that question or if anybody even thinks like that anymore. I was tickled pink to pay the NSA dues, chapter dues, travel and meal each month. Yeah, baby, had a degree but was getting another for one-tenth the price.

                            Oh yeah, my degree was paid for all I had to do was give them six years of my life. So, how free was that degree in the end?

                            I might be beating that point to death but education ain't free. What if this event gave you two ways to make money? Hell, I gave people one way of doing nothing and making money but the thread got deleted. Mind you do nothing and make money. It was free.

                            Maybe this event is a bad idea now that I've said what I said. A free way to do nothing and make money and it was sliced and diced. Oh yeah, they just did it again this morning. bought at 6 and sold at 10 w/in 3 hours.

                            Since I am sounding like a commercial, I'll move on. I await the results of your research. Hell, even if only three people come out, I'll get you all laid -kidding mods.

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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    I'd vote for a small intimate group. Record it on DVD. Sell it. That's easier to put together and probably could make a dollar or two and help way more people along the way.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    Gotten a couple private questions and confused emails from folks today regarding this conversation.

    Let's try and clear up some of the question marks... here in the thread.

    The Warrior Event is not held by WF itself or Allen - it's a privately organized, produced and hosted event by me and Sam England FOR the Warrior Forum community.

    Eric "The Creator" Louviere organized and hosted the first and original Warrior Live Networking Event in Austin, circa 2008.

    In 2009, Jack Tackett picked up the reigns from Eric and held the 2nd annual event in Raleigh. In 2010, Jack secured a big contract in his business and didn't have the necessary bandwidth to organize the event, so there was no Warrior Event in 2010.

    In 2011, Sam and I picked up the torch from Jack and we've now held three Warrior Events so far since our first one in June 2011 - including two in 2012 (Raleigh in March and Orlando in September).

    In terms of presenters, alternative tracks/events and any other Warrior Event related activity - the decisions start and stop with Sam and I. Just sayin'...

    I merely reached out in this thread to try and help facilitate the regulars of this sub-forum organizing some real face-to-face networking time with your peers in the community/biz.

    Still happy to do that.

    Just don't want the thread to get too carried away about Warrior Event "shoulds" and "coulds" absent some basic facts of the matter and a clear understanding of who and what's involved.

    Best to all,

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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    That's good to know Brian.

    Thanks for that. I have never been to an event due to the same reasons as Nameless.
    I do like the idea of an Offline Event though.

    Whether at the WF Event or seperately.
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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by vndnbrgj View Post

      That's good to know Brian.

      Thanks for that. I have never been to an event due to the same reasons as Nameless.
      I do like the idea of an Offline Event though.

      Whether at the WF Event or seperately.
      I think you guys should do a "real" offline event AND come party with us in Nashville... but that's just me.



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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Offliners pitching offline stuff to each other ?

    That makes NO sense to me.

    Offliners trying to convince Imers to convert ... then conversions would most
    likely be miniscule.

    Me showing up at some event because people i would like to have a discussion with over a beer.. or swap stories / knowledge / recipes , now that would make sense.

    a round table? ... maybe ... an already happening event... def the best bet ...

    As an offline marketer who sells software to off liners , i KNOW how big the niche is in the WF.
    ( it is rather small ... comparatively speaking )

    AND i know approx how many in the "lists" crossover.

    Not profitable. Even assuming it was. What would we sell each other ?
    ( we are all experts right? )

    Makes no sense to me. As an offline niche, it should not be "for profit".

    IMHO. A meet and greet at best.

    More like a reunion then a pitch.

    BTW. I am always in Vegas in August. I cannot go in june. When i am gone, i am there for
    1 wk to 4 wks depending on how things go.

    This is of course, nothing more then MY opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      Offliners pitching offline stuff to each other ?

      That makes NO sense to me.

      Offliners trying to convince Imers to convert ... then conversions would most
      likely be miniscule.

      Me showing up at some event because people i would like to have a discussion with over a beer.. or swap stories / knowledge / recipes , now that would make sense.

      a round table? ... maybe ... an already happening event... def the best bet ...

      As an offline market who sells software to off liners , i KNOW how big the niche is in the WF.

      AND i know approx how many in the "lists" crossover.

      Not profitable. Even assuming it was. What would we sell each other ?
      ( we are all experts right? )

      Makes no sense to me. As an offline niche, it should not be "for profit".

      IMHO. A meet and greet at best.

      More like a reunion then a pitch.

      BTW. I am always in Vegas in August. I cannot go in june. When i am gone, i am there for
      1 wk to 4 wks depending on how things go.

      This is of course, nothing more then MY opinion.
      Yep, you make good points. However, look at the number of posts in this subforum aimed at newbies. Some people make it a specialty. So, it seems to me the newbertons are here and wanting advice and help.

      But, and this is a big but, I am beginning to think, there is too much drag. If this puppy lifts off at all it'll be a Sandy type of wind that does it.

      Also it won't be in Vegas, it'll be in Reno. Vegas sucks (no offense Adam). Clark County actually has police on the street monitoring you. Of course it is for your safety given the number of, how do you say it and not get banned, people who made it through various obstacles in life only to be there w/no job and no money.

      Reno doesn't have 24 hr police monitoring and random stops. But, people must like it given they keep going there. Just my opinion on the town.

      However, your input about the crossovers certainly is important. You have the data.

      As for the profit angle, I think that was introduced via a post that mentioned how profitable these things are. Personally, I'm to the right of Attilla the Hun politically but when it comes to this kind of stuff, I am a socialist. I want to spread the wealth.

      Sperading the wealth seems to be catching on. Even John Boehner agreed to it.

      In any event, maybe offliners don't need a mega event. Maybe they should be an ancillary group at functions. I bring it up only because I've read posts asking for a separate offline sub-forum (if that is the correct terminology). Therefore, let's air it out.

      I certainly do appreciate all the input. Hey Mak, you started this ball rolling, what do you think?

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      Offliners pitching offline stuff to each other ?

      That makes NO sense to me.

      Offliners trying to convince Imers to convert ... then conversions would most
      likely be miniscule.

      Me showing up at some event because people i would like to have a discussion with over a beer.. or swap stories / knowledge / recipes , now that would make sense.

      a round table? ... maybe ... an already happening event... def the best bet ...
      Ken; You bring up a point that should have been obvious. What would we sell each other if we spoke?

      To tell the truth, until this Thread came up, I never thought about what I would sell to this Forum. But I would create a selling package for any offliners if I did.

      If we just all (meaning all us here that are considering this) just went to the Warrior event, and while there, did a sort of roundtable...that would be fun.
      And it could be attended by everyone there that was interested.

      I think we would all agree that this is what most of us were thinking.

      Any other speaking arrangements could be coordinated with Brian. Heck, we all know we would spend at least two days hanging out together.

      Just an idea. But it just makes too much sense not to take advantage of the event already happening. That's my opinion.

      I can only tell you guys that filling a room was a lot easier 20 years ago.

      Or we can just walk into a room that's already full.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    If you guys put something together AND it is a time of year I can attend, I will.
    50-100-200-500. whatever, i will show as an attendee.

    Need help putting it together, i will help with that as well.

    As far as selling anything.. or trying too. I will pass, ( not that i think i could actually get more then 2 or 3 people showing up )

    Its more like a "don't shit where you eat type of thing"

    I like the WF ... a lot, i treat it like "the break area " and the "water cooler".

    yes i sell software here.. sorta. I do sell it, but no one ever hears me pitch it.
    its more like, if you find it, well good for you.

    There are maybe a dozen people in this forum i would pay to meet.

    if someone builds it .... I will come

    and TOM, if this doesn't happen, i will be in your neck of the woods in 7 months.
    We can get a beer,steak and strippers.
    just kidding, my wife will be there too. we can have steak ...lol
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      If you guys put something together AND it is a time of year I can attend, I will.
      50-100-200-500. whatever, i will show as an attendee.

      Need help putting it together, i will help with that as well.

      As far as selling anything.. or trying too. I will pass, ( not that i think i could actually get more then 2 or 3 people showing up )

      Its more like a "don't shit where you eat type of thing"

      I like the WF ... a lot, i treat it like "the break area " and the "water cooler".

      yes i sell software here.. sorta. I do sell it, but no one ever hears me pitch it.
      its more like, if you find it, well good for you.

      There are maybe a dozen people in this forum i would pay to meet.

      if someone builds it .... I will come

      and TOM, if this doesn't happen, i will be in your neck of the woods in 7 months.
      We can get a beer,steak and strippers.
      just kidding, my wife will be there too. we can have steak ...lol
      yeah, you will be only 490 miles south of me. maybe we can arrange sumtin...

      I have 6 strippers living with me. Can't keep up with them all. Fortunately the wife takes care of getting them their cat food, to the vet and the rest of the crap they hand out

      I wasn't supposing this session, at least the first one, to be a sell something session. Other than paying for the DVD and the room, food and transportation and a small fee towards paying the hotel for their hall, I thought that would be attractive. Now if one of the speakers sold a program or two, well that would be fine. In fact, any wizard can sell anything offline related. Nobody has to buy.

      I'll go back to my biz partner. Want to make money in options? Follow him. But who wants to buy that? So, sales depends on the product and its value. If you offered something or Claude offered something, bingo, we all know it has huge value.

      I downloaded Claude's free book. I would have paid him $20 for the damned thing it is that good. Hell, I'll buy him $20 worth of liquid courage if this thing goes.

      Anyway, here's hoping. In any event, I'm hoping we can hook up.

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  • Profile picture of the author vndnbrgj
    I like the idea of a roundtable.
    You can tape the thing.

    "What happens when the top Offline guys get together behind closed doors"

    Businesses built
    Businesses grow
    Offline gets taken over

    Then sell the videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by vndnbrgj View Post

      I like the idea of a roundtable.
      You can tape the thing.

      "What happens when the top Offline guys get together behind closed doors"

      Businesses built
      Businesses grow
      Offline gets taken over

      Then sell the videos.
      This may be the best suggestion so far. Why not do a simple round table, tape it and sell the videos? That's a build it and they will come proposition. After all, do we really need to have a room full of people? We are gonna spend dollars in any event. Those bux will be returned via video sales.

      Once again, I will volunteer to host it in this little berg I call home. Guaranteed a nice room for both sleeping and meeting.

      All I need to know is who is in and the date you prefer.


      And, as previously stated, always open to other ideas, suggestions and opinions.

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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    That's what I've been saying. Keep it small. Here's my two cents.

    Imagine us in a room with just a small handful of interested participants. No more than say, 12. Maybe these particpants were drawn by chance or were the first to respond to the offer, but however they were invited, they're there because they most need the help, ok?

    Now imagine each of us contributes something we know that really rocks. As if the curriculum to be taught at this meeting, so to speak, was for all of us to contribute to create a super sales system or marketing system the participants could put to work. I know, for example, one of my strengths is in selling without coming across as salesy (because the mere hint of being salesy means sudden death in the wedding industry), so I've developed lots of ways to deal with that.

    So that's a scenario. You have some smart minds come together, a curriculum powered intentionally, purposefully, rather than an ad hoc shooting of the breeze (which could happen afterwards anyway), maybe even a hot seat or two, hmm? And then what if all this was taped and distributed as some kind of WSO? Would that be an idea?
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    • Profile picture of the author mak25
      Geez, what the hell happened here? lol

      It's amazing how a simple 'happy new year' to those I admire and have learned from morphed into something else.

      As Seinfeld once said, 'not that there's anything wrong with that'.

      If anyone wants to hold any kind of gathering around the Philly area, I'm there dude.

      It would be a major kick to actually fleshmeet some of you guys.

      @JD - Love you too bro. You helped me a lot John. I'll always apreciate that.
      @Claude - Your posts always have great info. Always love reading them. (including your advertising pdf, which I'm reading now. Thanks for that my friend)
      @iAmNameless - Dude, I wish I had your energy. It does slow down as you get older. When I was your age, I could bang the phones all day. Nowadays. Not so much.
      @kenmichaels - Same as Claude. Your posts are nothing more than classic info. Would love to pick your brain sometime (also Nameless & JD) on the art of the one-call phone close.
      @misterme - Sorry if I gave the impression I was whining about being 60. Not at all brother. Yeah, 60 is the new 40. Maybe. I couldn't/wouldn't do some of the sh*t I did when I was 40. I'm thinking in 10 years, 70 will be the new 40. Whaddaya think? Also, I may be 60, but I got to see ALL of the GREAT bands! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Take that youngn's.
      @sandalwood - Tom you also have so many great posts that I've gleaned info from.
      @DavidMiller - I really miss reading your posts. I love phone selling/prospecting, and you were one of the few around here who stood up for it. Miss you dude.

      And to everyone else - keep on truckin' baby. I may not post much, but Imma watchin' you!
      Keep up the great posts. I for one, appreciate all of them.

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        Originally Posted by mak25 View Post

        @iAmNameless - Dude, I wish I had your energy. It does slow down as you get older. When I was your age, I could bang the phones all day. Nowadays. Not so much.
        He reminds me of myself when I was younger....this boy is on FIRE, but, Mak Dad, I totally feel you about getting older...lol
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by misterme View Post

      That's what I've been saying. Keep it small. Here's my two cents.

      Imagine us in a room with just a small handful of interested participants. No more than say, 12. Maybe these particpants were drawn by chance or were the first to respond to the offer, but however they were invited, they're there because they most need the help, ok?

      Now imagine each of us contributes something we know that really rocks. As if the curriculum to be taught at this meeting, so to speak, was for all of us to contribute to create a super sales system or marketing system the participants could put to work. I know, for example, one of my strengths is in selling without coming across as salesy (because the mere hint of being salesy means sudden death in the wedding industry), so I've developed lots of ways to deal with that.

      So that's a scenario. You have some smart minds come together, a curriculum powered intentionally, purposefully, rather than an ad hoc shooting of the breeze (which could happen afterwards anyway), maybe even a hot seat or two, hmm? And then what if all this was taped and distributed as some kind of WSO? Would that be an idea?
      I guess one wold call this idea an expanded round table as suggested by vndnbrgj above. As I may come off as being all over the place, let me quickly add the round table idea constructed in the above fashion would be perfect.

      Yes, we could do a skype group but, somehow that takes out the spontaneity and the "we got you on camera spilling your guts. Yeah, the people will love it."

      OK, now that we have an honest to goodness model, let's one vote on it and two make a commitment. It's the new year so we have to make resolutions. Let this be one.

      Unless of course, as my buddy used to say, you don't want to...

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        I'm all for a roundtable event. But it's better with and audience. It doesn't have to be huge, 100 people is plenty. We might be able to scrounge them up just from promoting to our lists, and here on the Forum (assuming that is allowed).

        There are a few reasons for a decent audience. We can get better questions from a larger group. 100 people aren't unmanageable. A large room isn't necessary. We can all hear each other. And there would be some variety of business models in the audience.

        Who collects the money? Assuming that there is a fee for attendees (I would think so)
        Who pays for everything. Room, filming, I guess that's about it?
        Do we pay for copies of the DVds (meaning us speakers)?

        Maybe another Thread with a survey would get some answers to these questions. Right now, it's mostly "Yes, I'll go and it will be fun".

        Maybe a conference call (or Skype, I have no idea how to use skype) so that we can discuss this. And who are "We"? Who wants to hear who (whom?)?

        What topics? Cold calling? Closing? Direct mail? Getting Referrals? Using different WSO programs? Using different software?

        And how do we decide these things?

        I think we should have someone who is currently booking events to do this. They can coordinate everything.

        All these questions could be answered in an hour or so in a group call.

        OK, so who is in the group? Who wants to be part of the roundtable?

        I have a few ideas. Unless they do not want to be part of this,

        I like the idea of;
        Ken Michaels (maybe the most important one.)
        Me
        Either John Durham, Jason Kanigan or both
        Ewen
        Misterme
        Iamnameless
        I think John's brother Michael Bucker would add a lot too.

        I know there are a few more, but they are less familiar to me.

        Let's be honest, if 5 or 6 from that list agreed to be there to participate, it would be a huge draw, at least in the offline group.

        So, Ok, I'll be there pretty much anywhere in the US at any time (unless I'm already booked to speak. Only about once or twice a month)
        Location? I don't care where. If I was booking it myself, I'd pick somewhere in the midwest that's boring and cheap. That way nobody (except our international friends) would have to fly for 6 hours.

        Do we really need gambling and hookers?
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        • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Do we really need gambling and hookers?
          What kind of question is THAT? Of course we do....

          Midwest, there are still plenty of casinos and hookers though. In St. Louis you have a nice variety of great strip clubs, and about 5 big casinos, decent night life, but nothing compared to Vegas.

          How about oklahoma, texas, a nice red state, women with southern accents... what's better? Besides Vegas...
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          • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
            Well you could all bring the party down under, for one, I won't have to travel, 2 prostitution is legal here, 3 don't you want a break from the freezing cold up there?

            Best,
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            Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

            What kind of question is THAT? Of course we do....

            Midwest, there are still plenty of casinos and hookers though. In St. Louis you have a nice variety of great strip clubs, and about 5 big casinos, decent night life, but nothing compared to Vegas.

            How about oklahoma, texas, a nice red state, women with southern accents... what's better? Besides Vegas...
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            • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
              Alright, I take it Reno is out of the running. Oh well, life in the Sierras.

              I guess I'll go to LakeTahoe and sulk

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              • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
                Originally Posted by sandalwood View Post

                Alright, I take it Reno is out of the running. Oh well, life in the Sierras.

                I guess I'll go to LakeTahoe and sulk

                Tom
                I have always been a lake Powell type of guy.

                I spent a few weeks camping and cliff diving there as a teenager.
                Loved it and have never forgotten the experience.
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                • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
                  Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

                  I have always been a lake Powell type of guy.

                  I spent a few weeks camping and cliff diving there as a teenager.
                  Loved it and have never forgotten the experience.
                  Nah, Lake Tahoe is much better for sulking...
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    wouldn't a recorded skype conference be more affordable by all means? just thinking...
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by maricelu View Post

      wouldn't a recorded skype conference be more affordable by all means? just thinking...
      Of course it would be more affordable...but it wouldn't be as much fun.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Of course it would be more affordable...but it wouldn't be as much fun.
        Not much fun throwing eggs and beer cans at a cd player, is it?
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    Claude, I know Michael would do it in a heartbeat and be there "tomorrow", he loves this kind of stuff. Given recent events though I dont think I would, even though it sounds fun. In any event, Michael is good and it would be worthwhile.

    No doubt he would probably do some of his own prospecting in whatever town you choose. If I know him he would show up a day early, go cold calling, and come back with a contract or two in hand to make his trip worthwhile. Then he would have another place to travel to...because he loves travel, and business justify's it.

    Ps. That boy can lecture for seven hours straight and not miss a beat! lol

    @ Nameless.... One of the richest call center owners I know throws furniture when he's pissed...you remind me alot of him. You are going to be PHAT man. lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Bucker
    I did not read all of the back and forth however, I will add a few comments. I booked a 107 attendee seminar at average ticket of $350 I think it was, and It cost I believe less than $3000 to do so all expenses calculated if i remember correct.

    As for speakers or round tables etc. If you need my help I am willing. I have no problem doing an 7 hour seminar myself. I do full day seminars on the psychology of selling often so an hour or even a few hours is easy for me.

    As IamNameless said time it the only issue. However anyone who wants to book the seminar I will donate my report on how to book a seminar to assist in the cause and I will participate on a speaking level if desired.

    Since I get on here little then if you go to my business webpage you will get my personal contact info conqueringthesale.com is a simple webpage but a way to contact me if needed.
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    • Profile picture of the author sandalwood
      Originally Posted by Michael Bucker View Post

      I did not read all of the back and forth however, I will add a few comments. I booked a 107 attendee seminar at average ticket of $350 I think it was, and It cost I believe less than $3000 to do so all expenses calculated if i remember correct.

      As for speakers or round tables etc. If you need my help I am willing. I have no problem doing an 7 hour seminar myself. I do full day seminars on the psychology of selling often so an hour or even a few hours is easy for me.

      As IamNameless said time it the only issue. However anyone who wants to book the seminar I will donate my report on how to book a seminar to assist in the cause and I will participate on a speaking level if desired.

      Since I get on here little then if you go to my business webpage you will get my personal contact info conqueringthesale.com is a simple webpage but a way to contact me if needed.
      Michael,

      Thank you for stepping to the plate and volunteering. I was the one who originally said I'd put it all together in Reno NV. However, that idea isn't sitting too well so I let it slide. I personally love to do these things so for me it would not be work, it would be fun.

      Anyway, if anything changes, you will get a PM.

      Tom
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