Did you dive into web design WITHOUT actually being a pro?

by ckbank
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Web design. Web design. Web design. With the right attitude it can make many of us well off. I'm a smart guy and I can learn things quickly, but other than knowing some HTML, WordPress, and working with some CMS, I admit I'm not a pro. I don't know CSS, Java and etc. With this in mind, have any of you started, without outsourcing, a successful web design business with the same amount of knowledge as me?
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  • Profile picture of the author WalterW
    I think its doable, especially if you are success hungry and want to over deliver, as you will do w/e it takes to get the job done.

    I'm new to this, but it seems like its all about selling the pages, not so much making them. Like this forums seems to be about either how to sell the pages or what to sell, not how to developed the product.

    You will be fine IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author ckbank
      Originally Posted by WalterW View Post

      I think its doable, especially if you are success hungry and want to over deliver, as you will do w/e it takes to get the job done.

      I'm new to this, but it seems like its all about selling the pages, not so much making them. Like this forums seems to be about either how to sell the pages or what to sell, not how to developed the product.

      You will be fine IMO.
      I totally understand. I think I can actually design very nice websites, but my issue is not having a standard to compare my websites to. My website can look clean, polished, professional, but how do I rate it without bias?
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      • Profile picture of the author WalterW
        Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

        I totally understand. I think I can actually design very nice websites, but my issue is not having a standard to compare my websites to. My website can look clean, polished, professional, but how do I rate it without bias?
        But is there an issue in that?

        If you cannot compare them, how will your client?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by WalterW View Post


      I'm new to this, but it seems like its all about selling the pages, not so much making them. Like this forums seems to be about either how to sell the pages or what to sell, not how to developed the product.

      You will be fine IMO.
      The Warrior forum is where we talk about "making money", you are correct.

      JF Straws website looked like CRUD, but it was a big money maker. There are a gazzilion ways to get customers to a website, and if you are telling people that and selling the service of just building the website then you are okay. Getting online is the first step. It would be good to learn some basic optimization skills though, and they can be learned here literally as you build your first clients site.

      Getting traffic can be through optimization, referrals, backlinks...offline advertising... Even if a person just has it listed on their biz card it benefits them. If that were the only reason they had it , it would be a good one, because it makes things more convenient for their customers and enables them to still receive business after hours. Even having an "online brochure" to refer to, with no optimization at all adds value to their business.

      Its just as easy to outsource though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shaolinsteve
    Both myself and my ex work college learnt everything from on line resources, Youtube and Udemy. So much information out there, if you have the software and have the time to practice you can pick up the pace rather quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author ckbank
      Originally Posted by Shaolinsteve View Post

      Both myself and my ex work college learnt everything from on line resources, Youtube and Udemy. So much information out there, if you have the software and have the time to practice you can pick up the pace rather quickly.
      Exactly. I think my problem is mental. I keep comparing web design to being a physician. I keep thinking a web designer needs bunch of certifications with lots of education. For example, if somebody cold-called me for web design, I would ask him or her about certifications and education. I know creativity has nothing to do with being certified or educated in a certain topic, but I'm just struggling to feel like an actual web designer. Am I thinking too much into this? Competing against web design start-ups with employees who have the education and certificates certainly doesn't help one's morale.
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      • Profile picture of the author Shaolinsteve
        Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

        Exactly. I think my problem is mental. I keep comparing web design to being a physician. I keep thinking a web designer needs bunch of certifications with lots of education. For example, if somebody cold-called me for web design, I would ask him or her about certifications and education. I know creativity has nothing to do with being certified or educated in a certain topic, but I'm just struggling to feel like an actual web designer. Am I thinking too much into this? Competing against web design start-ups with employees who have the education and certificates certainly doesn't help one's morale.
        I know so many companies that basically implement the same skills. For people who want a website built entirely from scratch can be common but also stupid. It costs a heck of a lot and it's very time consuming but big companies afford to pay out for these.

        With smaller design companies, as long you have learn the basics or use Your Google/Youtube resources lol, then simply set up the domain and hosting, buy a suitable/professional theme related to their niche from somewhere like ThemeForest (So Many People Do This), they also buy Javascripts or maybe plugins that's required from the customer and tweak colours and position using HTML and CSS.


        I really hope that you don't lose the motivation, it's hard especially when your at home trying to kick yourself up the butt to do something lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author misterme
        Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

        Exactly. I think my problem is mental. I keep comparing web design to being a physician. I keep thinking a web designer needs bunch of certifications with lots of education. For example, if somebody cold-called me for web design, I would ask him or her about certifications and education. I know creativity has nothing to do with being certified or educated in a certain topic, but I'm just struggling to feel like an actual web designer. Am I thinking too much into this? Competing against web design start-ups with employees who have the education and certificates certainly doesn't help one's morale.
        It is mental. Sounds to me what you're experiencing is a bit of a lack of self-confidence. That's why you don't "feel" like a real web designer. Your feelings come from what you think. You believe since you'd ask for credentials and proof of education, that this is the standard by which you'll be held. I say a potential client is more concerned with getting a website that brings them business and its cost. If you're the guy that can do that, it's not going to matter if you have a degree. I knew a high school drop out that built a multimillion dollar billboard company. So speak to results with potential clients.

        And become impeccable at your craft. Know the difference between Java and Javascript.
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  • Profile picture of the author spesialis
    How do you know HTML without knowing CSS?

    If you don't know CSS, you have a long way to go.

    Outsource it, will save you some sanity
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    • Profile picture of the author DeafAndy
      I joined a networking group and told them I was a web designer. I had never designed a website but I had worked with wordpress for a while running my own blogs.

      I have been successful by knowing my limits. I turn people down when the job sounds technical. I stick with small service type business like lawyers, accountants, etc that don't need a technical heavy site.

      I find a few nice designs on Themeforest from designers that have good support. I show these select designs to the client and make sure he is good with it because his site is going to look very similar.

      Technical questions that do come up can usually be answered by the theme designer (hence finding one with good support) or you can google/youtube the problem and find an answer.

      I wanted to cry trying to build the first few client sites because I was so frustrated with my lack of knowledge but it gets easier every time and now it goes pretty smoothly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I don't think you need to be a master or know everything to be an expert and a professional.

    Can you build quality websites? Are you professional enough to know when to turn down or outsource a project? Do you know more than 99%(likely more even) of the population?

    Congrats you are an expert and a professional.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Martin
    Seems like I'm on the same knowledge level as you. I have produced multiple websites on my own without much experience and without having to outsource. Find a good template and you're golden - it gets easier to sift through the coding the more you do it.

    CTRL+F is your friend, btw.
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    • Profile picture of the author ckbank
      Originally Posted by Jon Martin View Post

      Seems like I'm on the same knowledge level as you. I have produced multiple websites on my own without much experience and without having to outsource. Find a good template and you're golden - it gets easier to sift through the coding the more you do it.

      CTRL+F is your friend, btw.
      This is great to hear Jon. My goal is to do a minimum one website a week between $1000-1250. I personally think I can do around 3 a week, but some peoples' answers on a different post are a little discouraging. From your experience, do you think one a week @ $1250 is doable if I have good background in cold-calling? I get leads for half a week and build websites for half a week. I personally like this strategy. However, it sounds impossible to me and might sound impossible to others that doing 3 websites a week @ $1250 a piece amounts to around couple hundred grand a year. Now, the hard part is actually believing in one's self. Being able to do the things I've mentioned above would change my life in a single year. I would devote my day and night to web design if I knew my math would be practical in real life.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Martin
        Originally Posted by ckbank View Post

        This is great to hear Jon. My goal is to do a minimum one website a week between $1000-1250. I personally think I can do around 3 a week, but some peoples' answers on a different post are a little discouraging. From your experience, do you think one a week @ $1250 is doable if I have good background in cold-calling? I get leads for half a week and build websites for half a week. I personally like this strategy. However, it sounds impossible to me and might sound impossible to others that doing 3 websites a week @ $1250 a piece amounts to around couple hundred grand a year. Now, the hard part is actually believing in one's self. Being able to do the things I've mentioned above would change my life in a single year. I would devote my day and night to web design if I knew my math would be practical in real life.
        I get what you're saying about the practicality of it. You'll do the math and although you'll probably love what you come up with, you're overshadowed by a ton of doubt. I couldn't even tell you how many times I thought I had hit the proverbial jackpot to only fail in the long run. It happens. Don't get caught up in the numbers, but be optimistic. Just don't bank on anything until you have tried and tested it. You never know.

        Your goals are reachable. You might not be as successful as you had originally intended to be, but the important thing is you continue to move forward. Who knows, maybe you'll supercede your goals. Just try. What's the worst that could happen?

        If the work becomes too much for you - outsource. Nothing wrong with that, but I personally was able to manage the website creation process on my own for the most part. You'll probably experience the same at first, but if there's a project your incapable of completing then don't feel bad about outsourcing aspects of the job if you have to.

        Test the waters and take it day by day. Keep us all posted.
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    Your situation is similar to me. I've never gone to real school or academy to learn about web, but I only learn it myself through Google, Youtube, and W3School.

    I can't also do Javascript, PHP, MySql, and programming. But, I'm familiar with those languages so that I could tweak and use them inside my site.

    I know only HTML & CSS and how to put above codes to work. But, thanks god that give a versatile opensource plateform to give me the chance to create dynamic website without knowing how to write programming code, WORDPRESS.

    There is no problem with the qualification of certification as long as you can complete the required tasks, you are good to go IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidreese
    Use Serif or another similar software that lets you focus on design. Or you can outsource the coding.

    Anytime I've posted ads on Craigslist for designers I'm amazed at how many are using templates in their portfolios. You can tell when you see the same designs over and over.

    When you start a venture your prices are typically in line with your confidence. As your confidence grows so does your ability to raise prices.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Beatty
    The KEY to offline marketing of any kind is SALES.... there will always be people around to help you with fulfillment. A lot of outsourcers will even let you use their portfolio as your own to help you market your services. If you are good at sales, consider yourself ahead of the curve!

    If you focus on sales sales sales, you'll be successful in your web design business. Absolutely no doubt about that!
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