afraid of bothering people - cold calling

by abozeb
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I started my SEO/SEM businesses last month with varying results, and the situation is starting to feel a little bit hopeless.

The thing is that I have been trying to sell my services through targeted emails, where I do some research about the company and then send the manager or the person that is responsible for marketing a personalized email.

I have sent about 400 emails so far, and I had about six prospects interested and I sold my services to three of them. But it was not big deals at all.

And I feel like I need something else, as this just doesn't work. But I'm very skeptical about cold calling, and it feels like I'm going to bother the hell out of everyone I'm going to call.

Should I keep sending emails? Does cold calling works even, if people are in the middle of the work and they are being interrupted?
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  • Profile picture of the author ptaylor98
    Originally Posted by abozeb View Post

    I started my SEO/SEM businesses last month with varying results, and the situation is starting to feel a little bit hopeless.

    The thing is that I have been trying to sell my services through targeted emails, where I do some research about the company and then send the manager or the person that is responsible for marketing a personalized email.

    I have sent about 400 emails so far, and I had about six prospects interested and I sold my services to three of them. But it was not big deals at all.

    And I feel like I need something else, as this just doesn't work. But I'm very skeptical about cold calling, and it feels like I'm going to bother the hell out of everyone I'm going to call.

    Should I keep sending emails? Does cold calling works even, if people are in the middle of the work and they are being interrupted?
    Cold calling is difficult, but can be successful if it is based on creating a relationship first and selling later. The key mantra is: "Know, like, trust"--the potential customer must get to know, like, and trust you before they will buy. Emails can work if they follow the same mantra. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    The services you have chosen to sell are the most difficult to sell. Your market is saturated with many fly by night scammers and inexperienced people who don't provide any value for their clients. They have ruined most of the market for SEO/SEM for now. It's not that you can't sell these services, it's just that it will be much more difficult for you.

    Selling thru email marketing is just one piece of the puzzle, you are going to have to add other lead generation techniques to the mix -- cold calling, direct mail, classified ads, etc.. Sending letters in the mail to prospects, then following up in 2-3 days with a phone call can be extremely effective. Keep in mind, you may have to contact a prospect up to 7 times before they buy.

    I strongly suggest you do a search here on the WF for posts by Jason Kanigan, he has an excellent script for calling prospects and finding out if it's a good time to talk with them, so you're not bothering them.
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  • Profile picture of the author mojo1
    I definitely empathize with you.

    Just curious, how did you position your intro when calling?

    From my experience making a few calls for others on this forum for web design services, I was almost always shut down at the mere mention of a phrase like, "we design custom websites for (insert niche)". The people were always nice and I was able to complete my intro in most instances, however, these same people could almost complete my intro verbatim as they're constantly bombarded with "these type" of sales calls.

    Cold calling is definitely a positive way to present your services, however, the traditional way has many unnecessary challenges.

    Fellow Warrior, Jason Kanigan teaches a helpful way of initiating cold calls. I've highlighted a few of his most popular teachings below.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ml#post5396849
    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...beginners.html
    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...ess-tip-3.html
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    I forgot to mention, Bruce NewMedia here on the WF has an excellent WSO EZmail marketing. It has really well written email templates and shows you how to set up an email campaign. I have it, I've used it, it works.

    Since you are doing email marketing, I strongly suggest you check it out.

    I have no affiliation with the product, other than I've used it successfully.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    You are offering a service that business owners either do not want to do, because they delegate, or cannot do, because they do not have the skill themselves.

    Your job is to sort: to find out who needs your help. If they don't need it, no big deal. Move on to the next call.

    @mojo1: appreciate the links.

    As you pointed out, saying "web design" or "SEO" is the surest path to the call ending quickly. We want to find out whether this prospect is experiencing any problems that we can help solve. WHY would they want SEO help?
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    • Profile picture of the author abozeb
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      You are offering a service that business owners either do not want to do, because they delegate, or cannot do, because they do not have the skill themselves.

      Your job is to sort: to find out who needs your help. If they don't need it, no big deal. Move on to the next call.

      @mojo1: appreciate the links.

      As you pointed out, saying "web design" or "SEO" is the surest path to the call ending quickly. We want to find out whether this prospect is experiencing any problems that we can help solve. WHY would they want SEO help?
      What you are writing makes a lot of sens, so the interesting question would be if it does matter how I contact potential clients? So if we assume that a potential client would need some help with their online marketing, would it be any different if I send a good written email?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by abozeb View Post

        What you are writing makes a lot of sens, so the interesting question would be if it does matter how I contact potential clients? So if we assume that a potential client would need some help with their online marketing, would it be any different if I send a good written email?
        Unsolicited emails tend to go, like all unsolicited written communication, into the garbage can.

        A phone call allows you to sort and get an answer quickly.
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

          Unsolicited emails tend to go, like all unsolicited written communication, into the garbage can.

          A phone call allows you to sort and get an answer quickly.
          Something that most people don't seem to get is that e-mail marketing is probably one of the most difficult to get in, because of the tech skills involved.

          Especially for unsolicited emails, you are basically on your own because no reputable company does this (even proxy companies who are accustomed to shady traffic).

          Once your IP is shot and blacklisted, what do you do?
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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I'd love to see you spend a little time around real people to build your confidence before you call people and have to somehow get them to keep listening to you. Surely, there are social events where you can practice talking to people and sliding in what you do.

    And better still, see if you can get people to refer you to others as well. Then you instantly are no longer making a truly "cold call" because you can say "Your friend Mark asked me to give you a call and I think I might be able to help you".
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    • Profile picture of the author abbot
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      You must not WANT IT bad enough then.

      "When you want to SUCCEED as bad as you want to BREATHE....THEN you will be successful."

      I'm just calling it like it see it. We know cold calling works, YOU know cold calling works, you just simply don't want to make the sales BAD enough to do it. There's no excuses.

      Pick up the phone, and dial...you WILL make sales.
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  • This might help - I posted it in the copywriting forum a few days ago.



    A lot of people are a touch hesitant about picking up the phone and cold calling.

    So here's another super secret system that makes it a breeze and very profitable.

    Prepare a 30 second "pitch" that goes something like this -

    Hi Mr/ Mrs Prospect, my name is ___ and I do (big benefit), (big benefit) and (big benefit) would this be of interest to you?

    Now, if the prospect says (and most will) "No!"

    Just say "That's fine, I do understand, and I should let you get back to what you were doing. Thanks for the time and for taking my call. Bye. And click.

    In other words you don't worry about handling any or endless objections (obviously eloquently answer any questions) but if they say "No!", just thank them and say goodbye.

    You'll do stacks of calls, with absolutely no pressure, and get to cherry pick the hot shots.

    The people who want your services right now.

    It's a lot quicker and easier than hard selling isn't it?


    Steve


    P.S. Now, some of you are thinking, "Yes, great but you need big lists of people to phone" And it's true, the more the merrier.

    But here's the thing, if you phone back the people who said "No!" about 4 - 6 weeks later. You'll be amazed how many say "Yes Ok"

    Either they are now in the market.

    Or they remembered you...

    And you were the one person who didn't ramble on, wasting their time, trying desperately to deal with their objections.

    And a surprising number of them say "Ok tell me more..."
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  • Profile picture of the author Maxwell Stinson
    In doing cold calling you have to be ready to face a lot of rejection. At times you'll find that you can call all day and still not find anyone that will be interested in what you have to offer.

    However, when you do manage to call a prospect that is interested, you get a very rewarding feeling once you put the phone down and know that someone finally said "yes".

    Cold calling is an art, I must say. You just need to master your fear of rejection and you won't have that much of a problem when you finally get down to doing it.
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  • ...Yes, selling is all about "rejection"

    Lets say you make $100.00 a sale.

    But you always have to call 20 people to get a sale (you can work out your own average).

    In reality everyone you speak to makes you $5.00.

    Providing you don't stop...

    You're always making money when people say "No!"


    Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Gave this advice earlier but, if you are afraid to bother people... your competitors wont be.

    There are even sales here and there, even for the passive, but only what little is left behind by the aggressive...

    If you are worried about bothering people, then dont bother them, make sure that every person you say hello to is given a blessed energy boost... give them something, even if they arent interested and leave them with a happier feeling than before you called. Make them sigh and say "Wow, that was a nice guy/gal!"

    If you do that, even if they turn you down, they will not have wanted to, and they will not tell you to "F off", they will rather say "sorry we arent interested but good luck on your next call, if you keep going Im sure someone will say yes", and they will hope the best for you.
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    • Profile picture of the author PNWgrl
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Gave this advice earlier but, if you are afraid to bother people... your competitors wont be.

      There are even sales here and there, even for the passive, but only what little is left behind by the aggressive...

      If you are worried about bothering people, then dont bother them, make sure that every person you say hello to is given a blessed energy boost... give them something, even if they arent interested and leave them with a happier feeling than before you called. Make them sigh and say "Wow, that was a nice guy/gal!"

      If you do that, even if they turn you down, they will not have wanted to, and they will not tell you to "F off", they will rather say "sorry we arent interested but good luck on your next call, if you keep going Im sure someone will say yes", and they will hope the best for you.
      ^^^This is the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Gave this advice earlier but, if you are afraid to bother people... your competitors wont be.
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      John; Absolutely brilliant, and I'm stealing it. Claude

      Added later; In fact, I can think of about a dozen ways to insert that as an answer to an objection.

      "I need to wait"..."Your competition isn't waiting....."
      "I don't think I need a website" "Your competition has one..."

      It needs some thought, but it's a great way to shift the thinking patterns. Thanks John.
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  • Profile picture of the author boatree
    Originally Posted by abozeb View Post

    I have sent about 400 emails so far, and I had about six prospects interested and I sold my services to three of them. But it was not big deals at all.
    That sounds pretty good to me... 400 emails for 3 sales. 400 emails of which you could send out in a day.

    When you mention not big at all, how big were they? Selling SEO/SEM I am guessing they would have still been decent sized sales?
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    • Profile picture of the author abozeb
      Originally Posted by boatree View Post

      That sounds pretty good to me... 400 emails for 3 sales. 400 emails of which you could send out in a day.

      When you mention not big at all, how big were they? Selling SEO/SEM I am guessing they would have still been decent sized sales?
      The deals was about 250$/Month for a six month contract.
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      • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
        Originally Posted by abozeb View Post

        The deals was about 250$/Month for a six month contract.
        So, you are at $750/mo. Repeat and you'll be at $1500/mo. Repeat again...
        In other words you're actually doing well for a starter. And can improve and get faster at the email marketing.

        Also, if you can serve these clients well, you have a portfolio and references, and the existing clients may come to you for additional services.

        As for cold calling, you're just talking to people about what you do (valuable, worthwhile)and how you can help them. So, you really just have to change your mind about bothering them. You are not a bother to the people you can help. Just not a match for the one's not interested in your services. And, you will have success examples for them.

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        • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
          Originally Posted by bizgrower View Post

          So, you are at $750/mo. Repeat and you'll be at $1500/mo. Repeat again...
          In other words you're actually doing well for a starter. And can improve and get faster at the email marketing.
          I agree; the results aren't stellar in terms of percentages, but they should not be dismissed as insignificant.

          It appears the op is in danger of losing all her/his (sorry; can't tell gender from the username) momentum by devaluing her (defaulting to female just to subvert the dominant paradigm) laudable accomplishment.

          I say, take these posts to heart, op; you have achieved something real and very good for yourself and your clients. Your clients will make more money in 2013 because of you; take time to let that sink in. The road gets easier the more you let yourself realize that you already accomplished a praiseworthy achievement.

          You've created an income for yourself that could pay for a very nice car, out of nothing but a computer and an internet connection. Most people have to work all their lives at jobs they don't like, but you have now proven you have what it takes to be your own boss forever; not too shabby! Take yourself out to dinner with someone you love so they can congratulate you properly.

          Sure, you haven't met your larger income goals, but a great coach once said that a big key to success is taking the time to celebrate small accomplishments on the way to a bigger goal, and he was including much smaller accomplishments than what you just did. The more pats on the back we give ourselves, the more fun we have on the way to our bigger goals, and the quicker we get there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Lee
    Just emailing prospects out of the blue won't generate the results you want... At all. It's something that every off liner figures out eventually. You may get lucky a few times, but as a lead generator, it's a huge waste of time.

    Cold calling doesn't have to be scary - just don't approach it as you're selling them. Have a reason to call and talk to the owner. Target the businesses you want and request an interview for your online marketing blog. Call up and just tell them that you're interviewing businesses in the ____ area and would like to know if they would like to be featured? Boom... You're in! He realizes you're NOT just another a$$hole marketer that wants to "increase his presence online" The trust factor begins...
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    • Profile picture of the author Darren Tan
      My Thoughts:

      Do your services bring true value to your clients? Most small business owners care more on their sales revenue rather than their presence online or offline. If your services do bring true value then you have to believe that you are doing them a favor rather than bothering them and its their lost to ignore you. (mindset shift)

      My cold call style (works for me but might not be the best for others):I do not tell people I do this and I do that and I think I can help them when I don't even understand their business thoroughly. My only objective is to call them, set an appointment to go through a strategic marketing analysis to:
      • understand their businesses
      • share with them some specific strategies they can implement to get immediate results (90% value - 10% selling)
      • if at any point i find that there's really nothing i can do to create significant results i will tell them straight

      As with all other business, we shouldn't be focusing on 1 channels to generate leads (more so for our business as we are helping clients to market their biz).

      Some channels you might want to consider:
      • personalized direct mail (post card or letter)
      • speaking to business networking groups
      • have a proactive referral system everytime you close a client
      • joint ventures - hosting company, advertising agencies, printing companies
      • co-organize fund raising events with local charities using your expertise
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    I'm more afraid of mediocrity than asking someone if they think my product/service could improve their business or their personal life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    So much of salesmanship is taught and practiced as a sort of macho ego exercise, that it is no wonder we call it "cold calling", and most decent people have to overcome huge fears to do it; they have an aversion to dehumanizing other people and themselves.

    We've all dealt with rude strangers trying to pressure us into buying their thing, and we don't want to be like that. It's not something to be overcome, the sales disease is what ought to be overcome; the desperation to force the other person to do what you want.

    I stumbled across a youtube video of a sales training called something like "how to close every deal", and as you'd expect, it was a lot of chest thumping and disgusting talk revealing utter contempt for the "mark".

    The jerk described how he'd approach working a car lot, and a customer said right off the bat that they weren't going to buy a car today. He told the audience he would first agree with something like "yes, most people don't buy the first day they look", while silently thinking "well it's not up to you", like the poor schmuck didn't realize he was about to be dominated by the alpha wolf.

    Then he said if the customer said they couldn't pay over $300 something a month, how he would agree, but then have them walk out with a contract $200 higher, falling all over themselves to thank him. The audience was eating it up; another generation of a-holes just chomping at the bit to keep everyone on the defense.

    This is the type of thing you have to overcome when you emit any hint of the stink of typical sales talk.

    Even calling and saying "Hello, I am blank, I do blank, and we offer blank, just calling to see if I can interest you in...", puts pressure on them and you; no wonder you have to get all macho and pumped in order to dial.

    Why not call with a completely different attitude and goal; to honestly explore possible ways you might be able to help them, without any presumption that you know what's best and just need to "overcome" objections and resistance so they will take the medicine you know they need if they were only smart enough to realize it?

    I'm here because I decided to make another stab at calling for business, but it isn't cold calling, and it isn't pressure, and so far it feels about 1000% better than my last ham-fisted attempt at calling when I really was going in cold and salesy; starting each call with the goal of making a sale, unawarely putting huge pressure on myself and my victim.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewRiseDigital
    Seth Godin sums this one up - "Talk about things that matter to people who care." Take a read of Permission Marketing and Purple Cow, both will show you the flaws in the way you are doing business right now.

    If you absolutely insist on cold calling you better be thick skinned and ready to be in battle, giving up after just 400 emails (which in fact resulted in sales? That's a win) is a quitters attitude, if you think cold calling is hard, expect it to be 1000 times harder than it is right now, then double it. That's the expectations you should approach cold calling with. At the end of the day, how much you choose to persist on anything is down to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author winsoar
    Test your email to make sure that your message is right. Send half the list one message, and half the list another message, to see which produces the best responses. Then scrap the bad one, add another to the test. Use direct mail marketing principles.

    Most likely your email sucks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mwind076
    Made an article/blog post about this the other day.

    Are you scared of picking up the phone? Your competition isn't. | LinkedIn
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    Why the Fu@k would you care about them ?
    think about it as a primal caveman thing that is not relevant anymore. Thats it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mwind076
      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      Why the Fu@k would you care about them ?
      think about it as a primal caveman thing that is not relevant anymore. Thats it.
      That's some great customer service/business ethics there. Who cares what your potential customers have to do or if you bother them?! Just plow your way in there!

      DOH!
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    • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      Why the Fu@k would you care about them ?
      think about it as a primal caveman thing that is not relevant anymore. Thats it.
      Perhaps because the op is a compassionate person; not a sociopath. There is a huge cost emotionally and psychologically to disassociate from your normal human desire to connect with others in positive ways.

      That compassion can help someone make sales in a way that doesn't dehumanize themselves and the recipient of their calls.

      Sure it's possible to go the route you suggest, stuffing their human emotions in order to be an old school, high pressure "closer", who needs 3 martinis a night in order to keep beating people up and dealing with the constant resistance every day. Those people can make tons of money, but so can decent people that take a consultative, helpful approach, and they have the advantage of being able to get to sleep at night without drugs.
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    Have you considered purchasing warm, qualified leads?
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  • Profile picture of the author moneyman2010
    Yes cold calling works..I still set 3-4 appointments a day with local business owners.Don't worry about interrupting them just state why your calling if they like what you have to say they'll stay on the phone with you if not they'll hang up...If you want to learn more about cold calling theirs a book called Cold Calling Techniques: That Really Work by Stephan Schiffman its really good...
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    • Profile picture of the author David Miller
      The title of this thread is telling in and of itself. It's also a bit offensive to professional sales people. If you feel that you are afraid of bothering people the answer may be as simple as:

      1. You don't think what you're selling has any value.
      2. You need to get yourself some training.
      3. Keep emailing. 3 sales from 400 emails is not a bad ratio.
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      • Profile picture of the author LeonAzrael
        Like everyone else is saying, cold calling can definitely work.

        But if you're really worried about bothering them, how about this. When you call, have something free you're offering them. A free report, a free consultation, and design your call around that. I don't know too many people who get mad or feel bothered about being offered something for free.

        Not only this, but it's good practice to expand a cold calling sales funnel anyway. It's a lot easier to sell to a warm lead who knows who you are as opposed to John Smith who just picked up the phone.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by abozeb View Post

    I started my SEO/SEM businesses last month with varying results,

    I have sent about 400 emails so far, and I had about six prospects interested and I sold my services to three of them. But it was not big deals at all.

    And I feel like I need something else

    Interesting.

    Was there any identifiable pattern with the type of businesses
    who hired you or the process you got there.

    Can you take that information and narrow down the type of
    prospects you're targeting so your response rate goes up.


    Did you escalate the conversation from email to telephone when
    a prospect responded to your emails.

    Have you considered simply asking for more money. In other words
    if you could get 2 or 3 or 5 times the money for the same service
    would it make your efforts worthwhile?

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by slimads View Post

    Cold Calling is in the past . It is all about building relationships via LinkedIn , Facebook etc. Furthermore SEO Services are hard to sell ... unless you have a solid plan.
    Yes, there is cold calling in the past. Do you know why it has lasted so long? Because it works. Yes, Linked In and Facebook help build relationships...with people you have never actually met or talked to...but talking to another person, in your own voice is actually selling.

    Selling SEO services? Maybe not the first call. But selling SEO services (and related services) is making me a small fortune.

    I love it. I don't know you at all. But I can guarantee one thing, you have never cold called successfully. If you did, you wouldn't have posted this.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Miller
    Originally Posted by slimads View Post

    Cold Calling is in the past . It is all about building relationships via LinkedIn , Facebook etc. Furthermore SEO Services are hard to sell ... unless you have a solid plan. Sure there are few who boast that they can get a site on first page.. I was once asked by a business owner about a seo firm which claimed/ guaranteed they could get the site or business listed on first page .. I told the business owner - he should find another seo services company which does not make such claims and the Google algorithms are a TOP Secret ...
    I always have and still do enjoy learning about those of you who choose to inform business owners about the plethora of services which are available to them through your skilled and time consuming use of social media and email. It's that much less time that those of us who pick up the phone need to explain before we get their credit card number.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    David Miller is back ...who knows for how long... laying the cold call smack down!

    I love all the new options of making contact with biz owners, but nothing beats just picking up the phone and calling them, for goodness sakes what are you afraid of?
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  • Profile picture of the author zavhara
    Originally Posted by slimads View Post

    Cold Calling is in the past . It is all about building relationships via LinkedIn , Facebook etc. Furthermore SEO Services are hard to sell ... unless you have a solid plan. Sure there are few who boast that they can get a site on first page.. I was once asked by a business owner about a seo firm which claimed/ guaranteed they could get the site or business listed on first page .. I told the business owner - he should find another seo services company which does not make such claims and the Google algorithms are a TOP Secret ...
    Silmads - But how do you build a relationship with business owners on Facebook? Facebook is just filled with people wanting to catch up on the latest gossip, youtube clips, etc.....

    Linkedin is more for business owners but even that is difficult as they are fed up with all the spam messages they get, also it can take time to build relationships.
    Have you really got clients by these methods?
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyyarnsbro
    If that is the nature of your business and you have good intentions then why afraid of making cold calls. If you're afraid to do it then don't do business.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsummers
    What actually works in cold calling is the element of the surprise itself. Telemarketing interjects an element of surprise that person-to-person sales calls do not. When you arrange a meeting with a prospect, the latter expects you and reserves time to discuss matters with you. However, this doesn't work in cold calling, wherein the prospect is totally surprised with your presence on the other line and has not reserved any time to talk to you. So basically, you're uninvited, unexpected, and unwelcome. But still, you need to hang on for you'll never know what will happen next; this stuff is just full of uncertainties that in some way will give you that twinge of excitement.
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    • Profile picture of the author taranisman
      Honestly. The worst thing that can happen is that they say "NO".

      So you say "thank you", hang up, and move on to the next call.

      I do know that the more people you call, the easier it gets. I'm gonna start using this line " Is this a bad time to talk?"

      Great advice in this place, you just have to dig for those golden nuggets!

      Emailing prospects can be rough.

      My next campaign I am going to do a nice, "lumpy mail" direct mail piece. Throw a pen, or some dice in there and it will get opened.
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