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So out of about 200 calls to dentists I'm finding about 85% are with a patient and the other 15 are not there lol Does anyone know how to successfully get through or a way we can reach them? We've tried calling throughout the day morning when they get in and later in the day before they leave but no success. What is the best way to get through to them or is this an industry that is too hard to tackle?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sherry Han
    I noticed that the dentists in my area are always busy, busy, busy. While I've never tried to call them to sell them services, I've needed extensive dental work done and sometimes I can't get an appointment set until a month down the road. In fact, a couple of weeks ago I was experiencing excruciating tooth pain, I had to call 7 or 8 different places before one was able to see me within the week! And none in the same day like I wanted.

    So it would seem as though dentists don't need any more patients. Oddly enough I see ads for them all the time in local magazines though, so go figure!
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    • Profile picture of the author DJL
      You might have better luck if you look for dentists (or other professionals) with newly established practices, as they are likely to be less busy.

      My experience has been similar to Sherry Han's, in that it sometimes takes a month or more to get an appointment even as an established patient. I need to find me a new brain surgeon.
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      • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
        They might be busy, but if their mother called with an urgent message, they'd be there to take it, trust me.

        You're likely being fobbed off. It's because you're cold calling and they're tired of listening to strangers selling them something they've already been pitched a dozens times before you that day.

        I know there are lots of cold calling fans in this forum, and I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it's definitely a volume game and 200 calls is peanuts in the cold calling game.

        Originally Posted by richie311 View Post

        So out of about 200 calls to dentists I'm finding about 85% are with a patient and the other 15 are not there lol Does anyone know how to successfully get through or a way we can reach them? We've tried calling throughout the day morning when they get in and later in the day before they leave but no success. What is the best way to get through to them or is this an industry that is too hard to tackle?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
    What are you trying to sell to these dentists, who are understandably hard to reach as they're with patients or running their business during the day?

    If it's any kind of offline marketing related service where you stand to profit hundreds or thousands of dollars, can you afford to spend a few dollars to be DIFFERENT and get your message across to these prospects?

    Nothing personal, but I'm always amazed at the number of people trying to sell expensive services using some of the least expensive marketing methods going, like email and telemarketing.

    I'm all for getting clients as inexpensively as you can, but the first thing you need to do when marketing is to grab your prospects attention, and being one in a string of cold calls they probably get throughout the day is not the best way to stand out from the crowd.

    Have you tried direct mail?

    I wouldn't say that industry is too hard to tackle, but I think you need to change your approach and do what's necessary to get noticed and get your message to your intended prospects.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
      Originally Posted by Steve Solem View Post

      What are you trying to sell to these dentists, who are understandably hard to reach as they're with patients or running their business during the day?

      If it's any kind of offline marketing related service where you stand to profit hundreds or thousands of dollars, can you afford to spend a few dollars to be DIFFERENT and get your message across to these prospects?

      Nothing personal, but I'm always amazed at the number of people trying to sell expensive services using some of the least expensive marketing methods going, like email and telemarketing.

      I'm all for getting clients as inexpensively as you can, but the first thing you need to do when marketing is to grab your prospects attention, and being one in a string of cold calls they probably get throughout the day is not the best way to stand out from the crowd.

      Have you tried direct mail?

      I wouldn't say that industry is too hard to tackle, but I think you need to change your approach and do what's necessary to get noticed and get your message to your intended prospects.
      Speaking of dentists and direct mail, I got a 20% call rate from dentists I sent a report to.

      Direct mail is the way to go. I got this really high response rate but then again, each report cost me $12 to assemble and send.
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      • Profile picture of the author richie311
        $12? What are you mailing them


        Originally Posted by Robert Domino View Post

        Speaking of dentists and direct mail, I got a 20% call rate from dentists I sent a report to.

        Direct mail is the way to go. I got this really high response rate but then again, each report cost me $12 to assemble and send.
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        • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
          Originally Posted by richie311 View Post

          $12? What are you mailing them
          A report cover sent through fedex. Inspired from another member of WF, but can't remember who.

          Doesn't matter how busy they are, they read the damn thing. Last time I sent it, the phone started ringing early morning before I was awake (which was pretty awkward tbh).
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          • Profile picture of the author gixmo
            Originally Posted by Robert Domino View Post

            A report cover sent through fedex. Inspired from another member of WF, but can't remember who.

            Doesn't matter how busy they are, they read the damn thing. Last time I sent it, the phone started ringing early morning before I was awake (which was pretty awkward tbh).
            What kind of report ? If it costs you 12$ I'm guessing it must be at least 15 pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author richie311
    Technically I haven't been cold calling because I did mail a letter before I called. I'm just selling a $99/month marketing package so nothing too expensive at least not for a dentist.
    What are you suggesting Nick call them and say this is their mother? Lol jk.....Steve I did direct mail them a letter and am following up, any ideas how I can improve call performance with this? Is one letter enough? A lot of them are willing to give me emails but to me that's basically saying I want off the phone or am I wrong here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
    Hmmm...if you did send a letter and called to follow up, it could be as Sherry mentioned that they're so busy they're just don't have the time during the day to deal with phone calls or even letters in your case.

    I'd say take your direct mail up a notch and test sending a priority letter or something lumpy that gets them curious enough to open it, and maybe you could find out their home address and send something to them there (although I suppose some might be offended at their personal space being invaded there).

    I have to admit though I don't fully get dentists either... My sister started going to a guy who must spend thousands on advertising in every paper available, yet her hand delivering a copy of my marketing book with a letter offering a free consult to him at one of her appointments got me nowhere with this guy.

    They're definitely not "low hanging fruit" for sure!
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    • Profile picture of the author richie311
      Hmmm you think a manila 9x12 envelope would do? I think most people would open these if they are hand addressed at least. I don't see anyone throwing away one unless it has advertising written on it.

      Can anyone recommend a different niche that may need help? I only chose dentists because there are about 17 on every corner and figured they needed the advertising to standout guess I was wrong lol

      Originally Posted by Steve Solem View Post

      Hmmm...if you did send a letter and called to follow up, it could be as Sherry mentioned that they're so busy they're just don't have the time during the day to deal with phone calls or even letters in your case.

      I'd say take your direct mail up a notch and test sending a priority letter or something lumpy that gets them curious enough to open it, and maybe you could find out their home address and send something to them there (although I suppose some might be offended at their personal space being invaded there).

      I have to admit though I don't fully get dentists either... My sister started going to a guy who must spend thousands on advertising in every paper available, yet her hand delivering a copy of my marketing book with a letter offering a free consult to him at one of her appointments got me nowhere with this guy.

      They're definitely not "low hanging fruit" for sure!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
    I've mailed white 9x12s with a two page sales letter inside to realtors and have gotten as high as a 10% response. They only cost $.90 to mail (two first class stamps) and were hand addressed with no return address and they certainly stand out from a stack of bills or other letters, but hard to say what your response would be with dentists.

    I think dentists are a tough bunch because so many of them are caught up working IN their business and you'd probably find the same thing with other professionals that revolve around one or two doctors doing most of the work.
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    • Profile picture of the author richie311
      Would you recommend not putting a return address?
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  • Profile picture of the author hayfj2
    hmmmm, don't know if this could help, but you could tweak this...

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...tle-gates.html

    1. John's Not with a patient is he?

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    PAs, receptionists expect you to present on the phone and SELL - not ask them questions They're so used to asking you - Who are you, which company are you from, who do you want to speak to.

    Head them off at the pass.

    Hope that gets you thinking.


    Try it, and let me know how you get on.



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  • Profile picture of the author TheBigBee
    Most dentists - a vast majority don't see patients on Friday.
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  • Profile picture of the author usmanuk
    The best day to make sales calls is between Tuesday to Thursday's before lunch time, this is because Monday morning they go to work on their to-do and are super busy getting on schedule for the week ahead.

    Friday afternoon is also usually not the best time to make calls. This is because on this day most people are scrambling to wrap up as many as many items on their list so they get home without any delay. I know I dont like getting called on Friday, but may just give a little more time if its during the week.
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  • Profile picture of the author workers24hdotcom
    If the dentists are very busy means they are getting a lot of patients = $$$$
    So why bother calling them?
    You might try to reach the office manager;-)
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  • Profile picture of the author moneyman2010
    When I make cold calls I tend to stay away from businesses that have receptionist (gate keeper)I like to call roofers, painter, contractors, landscapers most of them are owner operators and they answer the phone so you don't have to deal with gate keepers..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mister Natural
    Try direct mail to their homes.
    Will take some research but there are databases providing their addresses.
    Not sure if it still holds true, but years ago, the White Pages would display almost every doctor's home address and number.

    Next option is to "casually" cross their path as they are entering or leaving their office.
    Watch the comedy "Love and Other Drugs".
    And you'll see some interesting and real methods by "pharmaceutical sales reps" to
    speak to a doctor even if for a brief moment.
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    • Profile picture of the author richie311
      Are you legally allowed to mail to their home? I guess they receive advertisements anyways so probably right?

      Originally Posted by Mister Natural View Post

      Try direct mail to their homes.
      Will take some research but there are databases providing their addresses.
      Not sure if it still holds true, but years ago, the White Pages would display almost every doctor's home address and number.

      Next option is to "casually" cross their path as they are entering or leaving their office.
      Watch the comedy "Love and Other Drugs".
      And you'll see some interesting and real methods by "pharmaceutical sales reps" to
      speak to a doctor even if for a brief moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mister Natural
    I guess they receive advertisements anyways so probably right?
    Sure.
    I wouldn't make it overly aggressive and personal.
    Introduce them to your company and what you have to offer in a professional manner,
    expect to repeat the mailing at least 6 times or more to get a response.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    target those organizations that are calling/already calling on dentists, offer them a discount in bulk purchase of your services (maybe a free basic mobile site etc...) so they offer them to their dentist clients. You'll then get your foot in the door and expand services to the dentist.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mister Natural
      Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

      target those organizations that are calling/already calling on dentists, offer them a discount in bulk purchase of your services (maybe a free basic mobile site etc...) so they offer them to their dentist clients. You'll then get your foot in the door and expand services to the dentist.
      Interesting, but,, how do you determine who or what is "already calling" the dentist?
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      • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
        Originally Posted by Mister Natural View Post

        Interesting, but,, how do you determine who or what is "already calling" the dentist?
        Oh, I don't know, maybe join a dental professional association, subscribe to dental professional trade publications, go to dental related trade shows, look up dental supply houses/distributors, dental equipment companies, dental staffing companies, dental labs, etc...or just ask the one or two dentists you do get to talk to. When in doubt, join a country club! More connections are made on the golf course with monied people than anything. Learn to play golf, teach your kids to play golf. It's nearly essential for networking.
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